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That's exactly the problem. Sometimes I have survivors from NA, Thailand, Russia and Australia in the same lobby. While I sit in Europe. If I don't dodge them, I play against several nurses which on top of that accuse me of being a lag switcher. I have no interest in getting banned, because to many kids don't know how to read the ping meter and report me for lag switching.Carpemortum said:
Well, first, if they're lagging that bad they cant get work done easily, and cant hide efficiently. Secondly, if theyre lag porting like when I see them(5/10 ft stutters into a wall), then follow the lag copy and hit it? First time I saw it happen I thought david was saving a hooked survivor. He just kept on skipping into the wall. Post game he accused me of lag switching lol.Wolf74 said:@Carpemortum said:
Wolf74 said:From bottom to top:
What if the survivors connection "suck duck"? Should the killer be forced to stay?
If the survivor connection is crap, the killer doesnt suffer...its easier for them at that point.You wanna tell me that those lag-porting targets are easier?
Please elaborate how.
Because anytime I get that people they are almost impossible to hit, because they basically play like an Overwatch Tracer. :P
Also, cherry picking...
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I have a history of lies? Are you kidding me?!SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
Oh so they nerfed WGLF after the survivor complaints? Really, what a surprise.Is it so hard to admit that i proved something? You'll always negate everything I say. Doesn't matter how solid the proof is. Like a personal vendetta or something.
Yea man, they saw 3 posts about lobbies being slow and decided "heck maybe it's that 200% more bloodpoints perk we added in a month ago.
You never prove anything, remember when you said you'd prove the developers lied about stats and then didn't provide any proof what so ever?
Yea, you have a track record of lying, and when you finally get something right maybe I'll reward you with that gold star you think you deserve.
Lets not pretend this game hasn't always had lobby issues as well, and pretend it's only down to perks
-insert facepalm
Just like when a new killer comes out people go and play that for a bit and go back, lets not pretend if this buff were to create lobby issues (hint: it wont) that it wouldn't be fixed after a couple of days when people go back to playing normally
Edit: https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/search/?q=Queue+Time&sort=time
Woooow, it's almost as if people are always complaining about queue time, I guess they must have recently buffed WGLF or something.
As I said, I just did a quick search and directly got 3 threads.
But it doesn't matter what i say, you'll just ignore it, call it lies and BM me.
I'll just stop answering to you from now on. It's not worth the time and effort to try to argue with you. -
Oh so they nerfed WGLF after the survivor complaints? Really, what a surprise.SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
Now be a good boy, and search when they nerfed WGLF.https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/16/2765630416810027665/
So 12 day old posts about lobbies being slow equates to a nerf 12 days later? Ok Tsulan.
Is it so hard to admit that i proved something? You'll always negate everything I say. Doesn't matter how solid the proof is. Like a personal vendetta or something. -
Now be a good boy, and search when they nerfed WGLF.SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
Oh my bad. I was just trying to defend wolf's point of view.
Of course it's not "unbalanced" per se.
It just shows how greedy people really are.
And who could blame them?!Here is just a quick search on the steam forum:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/1474221865191870457/https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/1474221865204968896/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/1474222499227930530/
All around the same date. But sure, I'm as always, making things up.
Yea, July really seems like september.
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Using logic and common sense on this forum. Are you out of your mind?!RuneStarr said:@Dwight_Fairfield said:
Since they buffed it nearly every killer is using it.If every killer is using it, doesn't that make it an even easier decision to hunt totems before the last gen pops?
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So we got a deal then?ReneAensland said:@Tsulan said:
ReneAensland said:Okay. I understand, every point of view.
But....NOED should go back pre patch. Rank 3 NOED only for Exposed Status.
Sure, but then only lvl 3 SC should give 50% heal bonus and only DS lvl 3 should enable survivors to backstab.
Deal?
Seriously?
The purpose of Decisive Strike since its start is to do what it was intended.
NOED Rank 3 started as having the Exposed Status effect. And I don't care about Self Heal. Any self heal is better than nothing.But Rank 1 NOED having Exposed Status Effect?
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Oh my bad. I was just trying to defend wolf's point of view.SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
Sure, go ahead and buff it. I'll enjoy the show, just as much as I enjoyed it when it was released.
That was the moment we got 45+ minute queues as survivors. Which could shift the queues for killers positively.So pretty pretty please, buff it!
I never had queue issues when they released it, I think you just make up problems.
"It's unbalanced" LOOOOOOOOOOL
Yea, buffing a bloodpoint only perk is unbalanced.You can't make this stuff up.
Of course it's not "unbalanced" per se.
It just shows how greedy people really are.
And who could blame them?!
Here is just a quick search on the steam forum:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/1474221865191870457/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/1474221865204968896/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/1474222499227930530/
All around the same date. But sure, I'm as always, making things up. -
Sure, go ahead and buff it. I'll enjoy the show, just as much as I enjoyed it when it was released.SenzuDuck said:"Just watch all the farming"
but but but mr killers... i thought only swf people played the game? i..i...i thought only 4man tactical swf swat teams who only run meta perks play the game, farming would be kept to a minimum because only 4man swfs play tho.
@Tsulan said:
Survivors doing hook farms = unbalanced.
Nothing mental behind this.Ehhh, while it's unsportsmanlike it isn't unbalanced, it just shows you don't actually know what balance/unbalance actually means tbh.
But please, go ahead and buff We gonna farm forever to it's old bonus.
I'll just relax and watch how people complain about getting farmed all the time.As opposed to all the complaining people do anyway? Regardless of if people run WGLF or not the person will farm for the points anyway
That was the moment we got 45+ minute queues as survivors. Which could shift the queues for killers positively.
So pretty pretty please, buff it! -
Sure, but then only lvl 3 SC should give 50% heal bonus and only DS lvl 3 should enable survivors to backstab.ReneAensland said:Okay. I understand, every point of view.
But....NOED should go back pre patch. Rank 3 NOED only for Exposed Status.
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Survivors doing hook farms = unbalanced.DwightsLifeMatters said:
Are you mental mate? What has the BP bonus nerf of WGLF anything to do with gameplay balance? Get your ######### together and don't act like a smartass if you don't know those basics.Wolf74 said:Not this crap debate again.
Does this forum have a search function?
WGLF got nerfed and BBQ got buffed to BALANCE things.
Now they are good.
Nothing mental behind this.
But please, go ahead and buff We gonna farm forever to it's old bonus.
I'll just relax and watch how people complain about getting farmed all the time. -
Have you tried to... you know... destroying it yourself?
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Oh I reached rank 1 playing only him. I even played him perkless on rank 1.DocOctober said:@Tsulan said:
Fascinating how "Freddy mains" suddenly start treads about how he doesn't need any buffs. Now that he gets his overdue rework.It's almost like people fear facing something else than nurse & Billy on high ranks.
Is that so? What if I tell you then, that I agree with those you call ""Freddy mains""?
I've mained Freddy for almost 3 months during the summer and learnt to work with his weaknesses and maximise his strengths, while being few, they are strong if used correctly.
I have a couple of actual Freddy mains or who played him extensively on my friends list and they all agree that he doesn't need a complete rework to be good, but a couple of QoL changes would suffice (as he has all game mechanics stacked against him).
McLean once suggested giving him the Class Photo as a base-kit in exchange for the wallhack. I say get lost with that, Class Photo as base-kit is crap, it's his wallhack that makes him strong
I'm honestly not looking forward to a full rework. I enjoy Freddy as he is and he's a heck of a lot of fun to play as once you really get him down to a tee and the only frustrating things about him then are shenanigans like healing overriding the pick-up prompt or lunges preferring to go for awake Survivors. Get rid of that and he's perfect IMO.
He has absolutely everything stacked against him. Poor vision, wait timer before being able to interact with survivors (totems and gens get finished while he has to watch, and don't get me started on the hatch), being unable to pick up downed survivors while they are being healed (which makes the killer with a specialization for endgame, extremely weak during said endgame) and last but not least: being a m1 killer who doesn't has insta downs and has to wait before he can down anyone.
At this point a rework would be probably easier than trying to fix this mess. -
I haven't noticed any major changes. But that might be just me.
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Fascinating how "Freddy mains" suddenly start treads about how he doesn't need any buffs. Now that he gets his overdue rework.
It's almost like people fear facing something else than nurse & Billy on high ranks. -
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Definitely Add-ons for most Killers.And it shouldn´t be like this.
Most killers are way to addon dependant. -
They also said no clowns.Might_Oakk said:@Fenrir said:
No they said no more licenced killers soPretty sure that's incorrect. Link plz.
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I don't like remember me right now. And your buff doesn't look strong enough to justify being a hex and a obsession perk.
How about changing it to increase all actions during the whole match, by the stacks and time increase it has right now? Stacks are gained by hitting the obsession only as it is now. But are lost if the obsession dies (not disconnects). This would lead to interesting choices for both sides.
It would considerably slow down the match, while decreasing the tunnel to death. -
Try playing killer. You'll see how you'll constantly lose bloodlust while running around a single obstacle.Carpemortum said:
If a survivor loops you for 2 WHOLE minutes, you get bloodlust. End the chase.ShyN3ko said:@The_Daydreamer schrieb:
- Sure you can. No one stops you. Play with Hex: Ruin, Enduring, Spirit Furry and something else. Here we have your easy to go perk build.
- Excuse me, you are right. You tunnel the first person. What a big mistake, I am so sorry.
- You can mindgame survivor. You can't mindgame good survivor. And no, they can't loop you for 2 minutes, if you play your role good. And if you are more the "I dont like to think"-Person, than play Nurse.
- Urgh. "Maybe play some not-swf-Survivor matches and come down to earth. Thanks." You as survivor without friends.
I doesnt they i tunnel the first person.
I said when i tunnel 1 time.
That mean i hook someone.
Someone unhook him.
I go back to the hook and found him.
I hit him once and then he dc.
And survivor can loop you for 2 min,when survivor dont make mistakes they can loop you rly hard on the right spots.
Example: 2 windows are rly closed to each other and the killer doesnt have bamboozle.
And why should i play survivor with friends when i want play killer?
And i just write frustrating things for killer and survivor.
And why this game is frustrating.
FOR BOTH SIDES.
You should play as survivor, without friends, one, to see the other side and calm down from stressful killer games is what he meant. -
I agree! Discussing with you leads nowhere. Have a lovely day!SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
https://www.google.es/search?client=ms-android-samsung-gj-rev1&ei=YDbwW5TmE4nmsAfPnKxw&ins=false&q=The+only+statistics+you+can+trust+are+those+you+falsified+yourself&oq=The+only+statistics+you+can+trust+are+those+you+falsified+yourself&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.12..0i30l2.4049.42103..43413...3.0..0.169.2197.1j16......0....1j2.......5..35i304i39j30i10j35i39j46i39.0BUQvZGasIYNot my problem if you can't use Google properly.
Jesus, I can't even handle you, you LITERALLY typed the quote wrong in the first place, for the love of god if you're going to try and act smart be consistent, don't misquote something and then try and make me look stupid. LOL
Yeah I noticed that you usually don't know what people are talking about. But still comment on it. Maybe it's a attention thing.
Again, still completely avoiding the whole reason this conversation is happening and trying to make it seem like I'm in the wrong.
All i asked you is to prove that they lied about stats, which you were 100% they had, and were 100% you could prove, which you have not done, but you constantly change the subject of this conversation in some way to avoid the embarrassment.
Yeah, that "fix" is taking more than a year. Talk about priorities.
Yea, they haven't made killers as a whole even stronger and survivors even weaker, it's the same thing with self care whiners.
They nerfed the entirety of healing instead of just one perk, they've nerfed the entirety of surviving and made all killers stronger in the process. Again, no proof the devs lied about anything which is the reason this conversation even started.
As others pointed out, ranks don't mean anything, because people derank or play with lower ranks on their stream.
Thank God I'm not a killer main and never derank or play swf with low ranks...
Yes, I play SWF with low ranks, I also play SWF with high ranks, I also play SWF without any comms what so ever. I've played rank one killers and had a team of rank 14s. What is your point Tsulan, oh yea, your point is that you can't prove what you've said so you're constantly talking about nothing, like you always do.
Could you please stop making this personal? Let's talk like mature people.
Btw, I don't know if my answers got listed correctly. Since I'm answering from my phone.I can assure you this isn't personal, every topic I'm in, you're in. I asked you one simple question, which was to prove that the devs lied about statistics. All you've done is lie and post some links to some streams that proved you wrong because you were too lazy to watch them yourself.
Stop spreading lies because you have issues with the devs because they don't pander to your every whim, it's embarrassing.
Let's move on from this conversation because once again Tsulan, you have proved nothing.
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Change the color so he could actually see something? This is madness!
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Could you please stop making this personal? Let's talk like mature people.SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
Surprise, surprise! You acted exactly as I predicted. Calling the information null, void and outdated. And @powerbats wondered why I didn't gave you the timestamps to begin with.Well yea, what's the point in providing old statistics? Your point would be valid if they were still saying Freddy is too strong, which they aren't.
This data is PRE NERF, so like I said, while it is very likely the DATA was true when it was released it certainly isn't true now. I really don't understand how you can even argue this.
I asked you to provide proof that they lie, you've provided proof of them saying he was strong and people DC against him, which they DID NOT provide data on in that stream.
It's like if you brought up data about plague deaths now and said that they lied and misrepresented data if they showed you a chart of deaths from the 1300s
You asked for proof, I provided it. Now (surprise) you call it outdated. Since it didn't happen yesterday.
Like always you keep moving the goalpost.
As I said before, they either don't know how to read their own stats or do it on purpose. There's a saying: never trust a chart you haven't manipulated yourself.
Literally nobody says this, not a single page on google has this "saying". You're making up even more things.
Not my problem if you can't use Google properly.
Devs called Freddy OP. When the only thing that was op, was the amount of new players. Because he was released on a free weekend which also had double bloodpoints. Pre nerf Freddy was weak to begin with, but that's a whole different story.
I don't even know what you're talking about here, they said he was strong, they nerfed him. They're now redoing him. There was no misrepresentation of data, like you claim.
Yeah I noticed that you usually don't know what people are talking about. But still comment on it. Maybe it's a attention thing.
Devs also admitted in a different stream that they made a mistake regarding Freddy. But over 1 year passed and they didn't revoke that mistake. Half the time the game existed...
So? You're literally the definition of what I always get called, A Strawman. Why are you talking to me about Freddy Buffs & Dev Mistakes. Your whole basis for your argument was that devs lie about facts, no one, especially the Devs are saying Freddy is strong right now, everyone agrees he is less efficient at killing than other killers.
Yeah, that "fix" is taking more than a year. Talk about priorities.
As others pointed out, ranks don't mean anything, because people derank or play with lower ranks on their stream.
Oh dear "on their stream" another whiny little moaner that blames streamers for everything, and again another topic that has NOTHING to do with devs lying about stats, WHY can't you get it into your head that YOU started an argument accusing the devs of LYING about stats and saying theres "proof" of it and you haven't provided A SINGLE BIT.
I think almost every "killer" main I've actually conversed on this forum with have openly admitted to deranking, lmfao, some of them even DC depending on map, I don't get the fixation with attaching streamers to this, yet another strawman argument.
Thank God I'm not a killer main and never derank or play swf with low ranks...
Until they rework the whole rank system and give out rewards for staying on high ranks, this situation won't change.
Yes, this is also about how devs lie about stats, you just can't stay on topic. Absolute facepalm.
Good job Tsulan, proving nothing, again.
Btw, I don't know if my answers got listed correctly. Since I'm answering from my phone. -
No one forces you. You just won't get that bonus.zacmangaming said:@Tsulan said:
Game wants you to get out of your comfort zone. That's why you get survivor dailies. If you'd play survivor only, you'd get killer dailies.Why should I be forced to play a role I don't like? I've tried playing survivor and I hate it. If I want to play only killer then I'm going to play only killer regardless of what daily rituals I get. It's just annoying I can't get the extra bloodpoints because I won't play how the game wants me to
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Game wants you to get out of your comfort zone. That's why you get survivor dailies. If you'd play survivor only, you'd get killer dailies.
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Surprise, surprise! You acted exactly as I predicted. Calling the information null, void and outdated. And @powerbats wondered why I didn't gave you the timestamps to begin with.SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
You really watched the whole video and this comments from Matt didn't ring a bell?
If you always pay as little attention while watching streams, it explains why you got so many things wrong. I mean it's in the first 5 minutes... like really?Timestamps 3:45 and 4:14
I even took my time to search you the previous stream with the graphics.
Timestamp 22:44
But I'm sure you'll find an excuse to claim that's not true or something.
Bro, your argument was started because you said devs LIE about stats, WHAT STATS do they lie about in the two time stamps your posted?
The two things are the two things i POINTED out in my first reply to you. They don't state that "we can't differentiate between DC & Kills" and they don't tie that in with any stats either.
You DIDNT prove they lied about stats which is what I ASKED you for.
Your own time stamps prove you wrong.and THEN you move the goalpost and say "hey, here's another video btw"
Like come on Tsulan, what even.
Your proof of them giving us false stats is them saying "Freddy is tough" & "People DC against Freddy"
And just to bring it up, the SECOND video you post is about pre nerf freddy so
WHILE THOSE STATS WERE PROBABLY TRUE AT THE TIME
after his NERF it is likely they would have changed.Good job Tsulan, proving nothing, again.
As I said before, they either don't know how to read their own stats or do it on purpose. There's a saying: never trust a chart you haven't manipulated yourself.
Devs called Freddy OP. When the only thing that was op, was the amount of new players. Because he was released on a free weekend which also had double bloodpoints. Pre nerf Freddy was weak to begin with, but that's a whole different story.
Devs also admitted in a different stream that they made a mistake regarding Freddy. But over 1 year passed and they didn't revoke that mistake. Half the time the game existed...
As others pointed out, ranks don't mean anything, because people derank or play with lower ranks on their stream.
Until they rework the whole rank system and give out rewards for staying on high ranks, this situation won't change. -
You really watched the whole video and this comments from Matt didn't ring a bell?SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
After claiming that I wouldn't link anything?
You asked for proof, I provided it. Not my problem if you can't be bothered to actually watch a dev stream.
So at 3:54 he says "Freddy is extremely powerful" and then a few seconds later he states "a lot of people DC when they see freddy". This is pre nerf as far as I can tell.
they say NOTHING about statistics, I asked you for proof of them making false statements about statistics and all you have is McCote saying something about freddy being strong (pre nerf) and that people DC against him, nothing about differentiating between kills or DCs and no reason to either as he isn't tying these statements to stats.
Once again, a killer main giving absolutely no evidence of the "lies" BHVR spread, LOL.
Have you watched the whole video?
Why are you calling me a killer main?
I played almost exclusively survivor for the last 4-5 months.Yea, I watched the entire video just because I knew you wouldn't prove a single damn thing, and guess what, you didn't.
I invite you watch the entire thing and if you can point out to what I apparently missed, because it never gets said, continue telling me I make things up while it's the only thing you do.
I call you a killer main because thats the side you moan for on here, you've figured you're not good at killer so you constantly want things to make it easier, so far as to make things up saying the devs lie about stats and then show a video where they don't even mentions stats in the ENTIRE video.
You didn't even check or know your own evidence, just assumed I wouldn't look through the video.
If you always pay as little attention while watching streams, it explains why you got so many things wrong. I mean it's in the first 5 minutes... like really?
https://youtu.be/DqtBskYaero
Timestamps 3:45 and 4:14
I even took my time to search you the previous stream with the graphics.
https://youtu.be/jEvn-07F5y0
Timestamp 22:44
But I'm sure you'll find an excuse to claim that's not true or something. -
Have you watched the whole video?SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
After claiming that I wouldn't link anything?
You asked for proof, I provided it. Not my problem if you can't be bothered to actually watch a dev stream.So at 3:54 he says "Freddy is extremely powerful" and then a few seconds later he states "a lot of people DC when they see freddy". This is pre nerf as far as I can tell.
they say NOTHING about statistics, I asked you for proof of them making false statements about statistics and all you have is McCote saying something about freddy being strong (pre nerf) and that people DC against him, nothing about differentiating between kills or DCs and no reason to either as he isn't tying these statements to stats.
Once again, a killer main giving absolutely no evidence of the "lies" BHVR spread, LOL.
Why are you calling me a killer main?
I played almost exclusively survivor for the last 4-5 months. -
I don't have the time stamp, Because I'm not going to search every single bit for him, so he can discredit it immediately.powerbats said:@Tsulan said:
After claiming that I wouldn't link anything?
You asked for proof, I provided it. Not my problem if you can't be bothered to actually watch a dev stream.I can see both sides of the argument here but in this instance if he turns around or someone else did and posted a 5 hour video etc and said there's your proof. Based on the past responses given by some of the killer mains on here giving a timestamp is a fair thing to do.
If you know where the info is a simple it's around x time is more than appropriate to prove your point similar to the discussion about the timestamp around the 17 discussion.
Because that's exactly what happened in the past. He asked for proof, I provided it with time stamps and then he ignored it and changed subject. Back then it was about face camping. -
After claiming that I wouldn't link anything?SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said: SC is more popular after the healing nerf? That's a bold statement. I was referring to the stats which at that moment where supposed to be correct, but where debunked shortly after. GOOD GOD. You, Tsulan, say that the self care percentage was wrong, and imply that you assume it was more popular. I, SenzuDuck, say that while that may have been true when the stats were released it probably isn't true now, as the perk does see heavy use. You, Tsulan, now turn those two statements around and say that it probably isn't more popular because of self care nerf? What point are you trying to make? Hey, these stats are wrong (he says about year and a half year old stats) Hey, you're probably right about those stats if we were to look at them now Yea but it probably isn't common bc self care nerf LOL Again what are you trying to say?, i've put what you've said into two different formats and I still want to run head first into a wall. What are you trying to prove or point out? Why even bring up the Self care nerf. If they said Survivors use self care 90% of the time you'd be on your knees praising them, but because the stats ARE OLD and probably wrong NOW you want to call them out for it? I know, ignorance is bliss and you life it to the maximum. But even you can't deny that the devs gave us fake stats in the past to calm the angry mob down. PROVE the devs gave us false stats, where's the proof? You ALWAYS make statements without proof and act as if it's gospel, where are these so called fake stats? Just because the stats aren't true now doesn't mean they're fake when they got released. Let's see, Matt explained that Freddy had a overwhelming high kill rate. Then he explained that people had a overwhelming high disconnect rate against him and then he explained that the system doesn't differentiate between a kill and a disconnect.
All in the same stream.
If you would actually pay attention to what the devs say, you would notice that. But as always, it's simply impossible to discuss anything with you.
Where, link it?!
(this is where Tsulan doesn't link anything and pretends he missed my comment and then brushes off the evidence because making stuff up is better)
Here you go.
Enjoy the talk about a OP Freddy.how about you drop some time stamps for me as to where exactly Mcote talks about these things, lol.
The whole point is to provide evidence not make me sift through a 59 minute video.
You asked for proof, I provided it. Not my problem if you can't be bothered to actually watch a dev stream. -
SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
SC is more popular after the healing nerf?
That's a bold statement.
I was referring to the stats which at that moment where supposed to be correct, but where debunked shortly after.
GOOD GOD.
You, Tsulan, say that the self care percentage was wrong, and imply that you assume it was more popular.
I, SenzuDuck, say that while that may have been true when the stats were released it probably isn't true now, as the perk does see heavy use.
You, Tsulan, now turn those two statements around and say that it probably isn't more popular because of self care nerf?
What point are you trying to make?
Hey, these stats are wrong (he says about year and a half year old stats)
Hey, you're probably right about those stats if we were to look at them now
Yea but it probably isn't common bc self care nerf LOL
Again what are you trying to say?, i've put what you've said into two different formats and I still want to run head first into a wall.
What are you trying to prove or point out?
Why even bring up the Self care nerf. If they said Survivors use self care 90% of the time you'd be on your knees praising them, but because the stats ARE OLD and probably wrong NOW you want to call them out for it?
I know, ignorance is bliss and you life it to the maximum. But even you can't deny that the devs gave us fake stats in the past to calm the angry mob down.
PROVE the devs gave us false stats, where's the proof? You ALWAYS make statements without proof and act as if it's gospel, where are these so called fake stats? Just because the stats aren't true now doesn't mean they're fake when they got released.
Let's see, Matt explained that Freddy had a overwhelming high kill rate. Then he explained that people had a overwhelming high disconnect rate against him and then he explained that the system doesn't differentiate between a kill and a disconnect.
All in the same stream.If you would actually pay attention to what the devs say, you would notice that. But as always, it's simply impossible to discuss anything with you.
Where, link it?!
(this is where Tsulan doesn't link anything and pretends he missed my comment and then brushes off the evidence because making stuff up is better)
https://youtu.be/DqtBskYaero
Here you go.
Enjoy the talk about a OP Freddy. -
It's actually really sad. But then again, we all know how immature and toxic our community is.iTz_KilLaZ_x said:
He is the master of strawmans. He just said I find swf impossible to deal with and yet I never claimed or implied that. The guy is stuck in his own mindset and won’t open his mind one bit to other views. Worthless to discuss with. The fact that many people are liking his comments is sad but honestly I’m not surprised with how immature and illogical this community can beTsulan said:
Let's see, Matt explained that Freddy had a overwhelming high kill rate. Then he explained that people had a overwhelming high disconnect rate against him and then he explained that the system doesn't differentiate between a kill and a disconnect.SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
SC is more popular after the healing nerf?
That's a bold statement.I was referring to the stats which at that moment where supposed to be correct, but where debunked shortly after.
GOOD GOD.
You, Tsulan, say that the self care percentage was wrong, and imply that you assume it was more popular.
I, SenzuDuck, say that while that may have been true when the stats were released it probably isn't true now, as the perk does see heavy use.
You, Tsulan, now turn those two statements around and say that it probably isn't more popular because of self care nerf?
What point are you trying to make?
Hey, these stats are wrong (he says about year and a half year old stats)
Hey, you're probably right about those stats if we were to look at them now
Yea but it probably isn't common bc self care nerf LOL
Again what are you trying to say?, i've put what you've said into two different formats and I still want to run head first into a wall.
What are you trying to prove or point out?
Why even bring up the Self care nerf. If they said Survivors use self care 90% of the time you'd be on your knees praising them, but because the stats ARE OLD and probably wrong NOW you want to call them out for it?
I know, ignorance is bliss and you life it to the maximum. But even you can't deny that the devs gave us fake stats in the past to calm the angry mob down.
PROVE the devs gave us false stats, where's the proof? You ALWAYS make statements without proof and act as if it's gospel, where are these so called fake stats? Just because the stats aren't true now doesn't mean they're fake when they got released.
All in the same stream.
If you would actually pay attention to what the devs say, you would notice that. But as always, it's simply impossible to discuss anything with you. -
Let's see, Matt explained that Freddy had a overwhelming high kill rate. Then he explained that people had a overwhelming high disconnect rate against him and then he explained that the system doesn't differentiate between a kill and a disconnect.SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
SC is more popular after the healing nerf?
That's a bold statement.I was referring to the stats which at that moment where supposed to be correct, but where debunked shortly after.
GOOD GOD.
You, Tsulan, say that the self care percentage was wrong, and imply that you assume it was more popular.
I, SenzuDuck, say that while that may have been true when the stats were released it probably isn't true now, as the perk does see heavy use.
You, Tsulan, now turn those two statements around and say that it probably isn't more popular because of self care nerf?
What point are you trying to make?
Hey, these stats are wrong (he says about year and a half year old stats)
Hey, you're probably right about those stats if we were to look at them now
Yea but it probably isn't common bc self care nerf LOL
Again what are you trying to say?, i've put what you've said into two different formats and I still want to run head first into a wall.
What are you trying to prove or point out?
Why even bring up the Self care nerf. If they said Survivors use self care 90% of the time you'd be on your knees praising them, but because the stats ARE OLD and probably wrong NOW you want to call them out for it?
I know, ignorance is bliss and you life it to the maximum. But even you can't deny that the devs gave us fake stats in the past to calm the angry mob down.
PROVE the devs gave us false stats, where's the proof? You ALWAYS make statements without proof and act as if it's gospel, where are these so called fake stats? Just because the stats aren't true now doesn't mean they're fake when they got released.
All in the same stream.
If you would actually pay attention to what the devs say, you would notice that. But as always, it's simply impossible to discuss anything with you. -
Sighpowerbats said:@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
I love the dev stats!
I'm always amazed when I see statistics about how only 24% of survivors use SC, how the lobby times don't pass 3 minutes or that Freddy was the most lethal killer ever.
Yes, lets compare stats from last year as if they couldn't have possible changed and self care is probably more popular, like come on now, Tsulan.
But of course, if these stats fitted your narrative we wouldn't be in this conversation now, would we?
Devs = Lets buff killers for a few months.
Devs = Lets also lie about some stats because we hate killers.
SC is more popular after the healing nerf?
That's a bold statement.I was referring to the stats which at that moment where supposed to be correct, but where debunked shortly after.
I know, ignorance is bliss and you life it to the maximum. But even you can't deny that the devs gave us fake stats in the past to calm the angry mob down.
They were debunked how again because using assumptions to make claims makes one look foolish. If the devs don't state what time period that's from or the more detailed breakdown your so called debunked has been debunked.
They claimed that only 23% of all survivors use SC. Problem was, they couldn't read their own stats. Because it was a 23% chance per perk slot.
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SC is more popular after the healing nerf?SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
I love the dev stats!
I'm always amazed when I see statistics about how only 24% of survivors use SC, how the lobby times don't pass 3 minutes or that Freddy was the most lethal killer ever.Yes, lets compare stats from last year as if they couldn't have possible changed and self care is probably more popular, like come on now, Tsulan.
But of course, if these stats fitted your narrative we wouldn't be in this conversation now, would we?
Devs = Lets buff killers for a few months.
Devs = Lets also lie about some stats because we hate killers.
That's a bold statement.
I was referring to the stats which at that moment where supposed to be correct, but where debunked shortly after.
I know, ignorance is bliss and you life it to the maximum. But even you can't deny that the devs gave us fake stats in the past to calm the angry mob down. -
Hatch shouldn't exist in the first place.
Especially if the gates are powered. Renders 2 endgame perks completely useless.
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Oh I thought we were talking about normal gameplay. Not rank 20 or dev stream matches, where survivors miss literally every single skill check.powerbats said:@Tsulan said:
So to sum it up.
The killer isn't entitled to a 4k even if he did the perfect match. But survivors are entitled to escape, even if they did nothing for it.Thank you sir, that's DbD in a nutshell.
Straw Man in a nutshell again.
The killer isn't entitled to anything ever, neither is the survivor and you keep using entitled when you know for a fact they're not getting a FREE ESCAPE.
That hatch doesn't guarantee them an escape 100% of the time which means they're not entitled to it.
The killer didn't have a perfect match because if they had a perfect match not a single gen would be done and thus the hatch wouldn't spawn ever.
That is in a nutshell is the failure of your entire argument once again, the only entitlements here is you killers wanting that free 4th k and claiming your entitled to it. The other entitlement is from the survivors who want to have a 100% guaranteed escape.
The only one to blame for a hatch standoff is you as the killer because if you're going to stand there stubbornly going for that 4th kill that's your decision to hold the game hostage not the survivor.
Because for the amount of time you ego is holding you there you just wasted that time that could be spent in more games earning way more blood points.
Meanwhile the rest of us want it to be balanced so that both sides have a chance.
As killers:
We don't want an easy free 4th kill.
We realize if we got 3k we've already won the game.
We realize that the Entity feeds off the survivors hopes of escape and if the hatch wasn't there it couldn't feed.
We realize that we can be good sports and give the 4th person the hatch if they've played well.
We realize that there's another human being on the other side that wants to have fun as well.
We realize that the issue needs to be better balanced but it doesn't have to be all about me me me me and only what benefits me.As Survivors:
We don't want an easy escape, just the chance that we might be able to make it out.
We realize a hatch standoff can be frustrating but if we've done 2 gens, cleansed totems, or even did more gens/unhooks we shouldn't be screwed over.
We realize that the Entity feeds of our hopes and when we make a hatch play and fail the Entity feeds off our hope and despair.
We realize that killer wants to kill us most of the time but we're also not giving you a free kill just because you want a free kill.
We realize that there needs to be an improvement that benefits both sides and not just our side.So both sides need to seriously stop with the entitlement victim mentality here, it's embarrassing.
My bad!
The following are unbiased facts:
- a gen takes 80 seconds to complete if the survivor works alone, hits only normal skill checks, doesn't uses toolboxes or perks that speed up the repair time.
- survivors can spend up to 2 minutes on the hook.
- killer has to track, chase, hit, down, pick up, carry and hook every survivor 3 times which adds up to 12 times with 4 survivors.
- all gens can be repaired in 3 minutes.
Unless survivors play like potatoes, the killer doesn't has the chance to avoid that they complete 2 gens. Simply because the killer can't be at 4 places at the same time.
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Radiant, the only survivor who hated getting 40k points for surviving 2 minutes without doing anything.
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It gets only weird if you feel attracted to furriesMegaWaffle said:@Tsulan said:
Master said:Isnt that what a horror game is about?
Maybe you are searchign for another game
I heard hello kitty online is very calming.
Not once you find out that Hello Kitty isn't a cat but a grown woman in a cat costume. Then things start to get weird.
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So to sum it up.powerbats said:@Tsulan said:
You forget 1 little thing. Once 2 gens are done (which isn't particularly hard for 4 people), the survivors have little interest in completing their only objective if there are only 2 left. They both start searching the hatch instead of doing gens. I can't remember the times I was doing the gen, killer caught me and little timmy escaped the moment I died. Getting a whooping 11k bloodpoints and yelling how ez that was.
Why are people so adamant on removing any type of pressure from survivors? Why is the killer the only one who feels pressured during the whole match?
Shouldn't it be the other way around? Being the killer the power role?Incorrect, you only remember the bad times you got screwed not the good times where you and the other person worked together. Most of the time if i'm getting chased the other person works on gens and vice versa or we're both doing gens together or separately.
You keep throwing out non existent arguments to back you up, when the truth of the matter is that the pressure is still on the survivor to actually find the hatch and escape. You'r making up excuses and false arguments to back up a failing argument.
The killer isn't under any pressure to get that 4th kill, they've already won by getting 3 kills and the only one with pressure is the survivor trying to escape. You just proved my point about wanting that 4th kill despite all the claims to the contrary.
If they get rid of the hatch does that change anything, no in fact it doesn't that survivor is still under pressure to escape somehow. The killer closes the hatch, well guess what the survivor still has to open the gates and get out.
Oh it's a high mobility killer like Billy, Nurse, Spirit, Wraith the pressures on the survivor still. Since killers move faster base speed before any special abilities get used. (Nurse is the exception)
It's time to accept the simple fact, YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO A 4TH KILL !!!!!! All this deflection and constantly changing your argument doesn't change that fact. The survivor did enough to have the hatch spawn and get a chance to get out. They're not guaranteed to make it out.
The killer isn't entitled to a 4k even if he did the perfect match. But survivors are entitled to escape, even if they did nothing for it.
Thank you sir, that's DbD in a nutshell.
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I don't feel pressured as survivor.Vietfox said:
@TsulanTsulan said:
Why is the killer the only one who feels pressured during the whole match?powerbats said:@Tsulan said:
I said it before. The hatch rewards the losing team with a free undeserved win.
There is no such mechanism for killers which could get a free kill if they screw up. Why have it for survivors?
This is the only game that rewards little timmy for failing.Just stop, it's not a reward for losing but a reward for doing some of the required objectives or did you forget the lore part of the Entity? The entity feeds on the hope of the survivors, if they have no hope of escaping it can't feed plain and simple.
If 3 survivors screw up while 1 person does 2 or more gens that person didn't screw up plain and simple, if 1 person hides the entire match it happens rarely. You all need to stop complaining about not getting a free 4th kill.
Now don't go denying that isn't what this is about when in in fact it is, you want that free 4th kill that you didn't earn because you didn't kill them. You don't deserve that 4th kill unless you earned it by you know killing them plain and simple.
Also how is it a win for the losing team if 3 of them died, a win is zll 4 survivors get out or did logic change because certain killers want it too?
If someone gets out they didn't fail hence they get rewarded for getting out, failing would ,mean all 4 get sacrificed, not just 3.I'll give you a quote from an old but great movie.
" I once told you, Ryan, if only one gets out, it's a victory."
So no the game isn't rewarding anyone for failure, it's rewarding someone for actually making it out alive. Oh and before you start on the failure part again let me hit you with some logic here.
If 2 survivors make it out and 2 don't does that mean you as a killer failed or that the 2 that made it out failed because they lived?
Shouldn't it be the other way around? Being the killer the power role?
I've been thinking about that for a long time and i think i got it.
I've noticed that most people don't mind dying as much as not killing a especific survivor or all 4, and the only reason that comes to my mind is that, as a survivor, it is "expected" to die because the only thing u can do is to escape, while as a killer, since u have the ability to remove survivors from the match u feel frustrated when you can't. So basically it's a personal issue.
Btw, do you really think that last survivors don't feel pressure when looking for the hatch?
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Australians lost a war to big ugly birds.Attackfrog said:
The Australians are the worst. If I am correct, I do believe they eat ostriches for their thanksgiving. The ostrich is both the national bird AND the national food of Australia.Tsulan said:
But germans don't celebrate Thanksgiving.powerbats said:@Arsoul said:
But only the USA go it on your date, your cutting off these countries for your own date. If an OCT celebration was to happen, what was wrong with Canada's in early Oct?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThanksgivingObserved by Countries
Canada
Grenada
Liberia
Saint Lucia
United StatesGermany & Japan have SIMILARLY named holidays....So...Not thankgiving in that sense.
Norfolk island is an Australian territory, not a country so you cant play that one sorryNitpicking won't get you anywhere, those countries are commonly accepted as having a holiday around Thanksgiving.
Just because you don't want an event around Thanksgiving becue Americans and other countries do in fact celebrate it. You can argue semantics all you want but you got answers that you didn't like even if only part of that list is accurate.
No slaughter of big ugly birds.
And you can trust me, because this is the internet.
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But germans don't celebrate Thanksgiving.powerbats said:@Arsoul said:
But only the USA go it on your date, your cutting off these countries for your own date. If an OCT celebration was to happen, what was wrong with Canada's in early Oct?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThanksgivingObserved by Countries
Canada
Grenada
Liberia
Saint Lucia
United StatesGermany & Japan have SIMILARLY named holidays....So...Not thankgiving in that sense.
Norfolk island is an Australian territory, not a country so you cant play that one sorryNitpicking won't get you anywhere, those countries are commonly accepted as having a holiday around Thanksgiving.
Just because you don't want an event around Thanksgiving becue Americans and other countries do in fact celebrate it. You can argue semantics all you want but you got answers that you didn't like even if only part of that list is accurate.
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You forget 1 little thing. Once 2 gens are done (which isn't particularly hard for 4 people), the survivors have little interest in completing their only objective if there are only 2 left. They both start searching the hatch instead of doing gens. I can't remember the times I was doing the gen, killer caught me and little timmy escaped the moment I died. Getting a whooping 11k bloodpoints and yelling how ez that was.powerbats said:@Tsulan said:
I said it before. The hatch rewards the losing team with a free undeserved win.
There is no such mechanism for killers which could get a free kill if they screw up. Why have it for survivors?
This is the only game that rewards little timmy for failing.Just stop, it's not a reward for losing but a reward for doing some of the required objectives or did you forget the lore part of the Entity? The entity feeds on the hope of the survivors, if they have no hope of escaping it can't feed plain and simple.
If 3 survivors screw up while 1 person does 2 or more gens that person didn't screw up plain and simple, if 1 person hides the entire match it happens rarely. You all need to stop complaining about not getting a free 4th kill.
Now don't go denying that isn't what this is about when in in fact it is, you want that free 4th kill that you didn't earn because you didn't kill them. You don't deserve that 4th kill unless you earned it by you know killing them plain and simple.
Also how is it a win for the losing team if 3 of them died, a win is zll 4 survivors get out or did logic change because certain killers want it too?
If someone gets out they didn't fail hence they get rewarded for getting out, failing would ,mean all 4 get sacrificed, not just 3.I'll give you a quote from an old but great movie.
" I once told you, Ryan, if only one gets out, it's a victory."
So no the game isn't rewarding anyone for failure, it's rewarding someone for actually making it out alive. Oh and before you start on the failure part again let me hit you with some logic here.
If 2 survivors make it out and 2 don't does that mean you as a killer failed or that the 2 that made it out failed because they lived?
Why are people so adamant on removing any type of pressure from survivors? Why is the killer the only one who feels pressured during the whole match?
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This was by far their best event.
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I said it before. The hatch rewards the losing team with a free undeserved win.
There is no such mechanism for killers which could get a free kill if they screw up. Why have it for survivors?
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I know I'm going to start a ######### storm with my response, but I really think survivors should also have high risk/high reward perks like killers. Killer can get unlucky and lose hex perks. Same should apply for survivors. Because killers are always solo players.SenzuDuck said:@Mister_xD said:
agreed.
DS doenst need that much of a change, just make it obsession only.
if a non obsession has it, well, your gonna play the round with 3 perks then ^^Yea, lets give solo players even more of an incentive to not play.
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Why should we?powerbats said:
We don't agree very often, but we both want the same thing. A balanced and fun game for everyone. -
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