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Dont play with ping above 100ms
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Or just kick that killer out of a game!
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362531#Comment_362531
The problem is that SWF counters everything in the game, so by that logic, we need to remove everything.
Swf doesnt counter bamboozle bbq and plenty of other perks . New CI perk for instance basically allows you to go against decent swf without bringing any crutch addons etc. Perks that gets countered by swf needs to be reworked . For example survivors cant interact with each other as long as hex is standing.
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@PiiFree said:
Just imagine for a moment what would happen if the Survivors in the highest rank possible were actually good. Crazy!
If you lack the fantasy, let me tell you what would happen: People would realize how incredibly broken the balance in this game is. They would realize that the "crutch" perks of Killers all rely on the incompetence of Survivors and that those perks are effectively useless in high rank, against skilled Survivors.
Ruin, BBQ & Chili, Spirit Fury & Enduring, NOED to name a few.
That's reality. Most Killer perks rely on the incompetence of Survivors, they don't reward Killers for good plays but instead punish Survivors for bad plays. As a result, they allow Killers to snowball quickly against potatoes but make next to no difference against Survivors that make no mistakes.
Now the Survivor perks are designed completly differently, they mostly allow Survivors to make up for mistakes and avoid punishment: DS, DH, SC, Deliverance, Unbreakable, ...
This leads to a massive balance issue in high rank: Killer perks become less and less effective the better your opponents are. They make no mistakes, therefore won't give you advantages. Survivor perks, however, become more and more powerful the better the Survivors are because they can nullify most if not all of of their mistakes with help of those perks.
It's really simple. Give bad Survivors 4 perks that allow them to nullify a mistake. If they make 20 mistakes, they'll only be able to nullify 20% of their mistake. Those perks won't really do a big difference for bad survivors.
Give good Survivors 4 perks that allow them to nullify a mistake. If they make only 4 mistakes because they're good, they'll be able to nullify all of those mistakes. Those perks will make a huge difference, allowing them to get away with no punishment at all.
Every good Dead By Daylight player will realize that at one point. It's the main reason why:
low skill Killers >> low skill Survivors
but
high skill Survivors >> high skill Killers
...and it's the reason why low skill Survivors think that Killers are OP while high skill Survivors recognize that they're way stronger than they should be.
Killers skill cap is still higher and most good killers use perks that doesnt rely on survivors mistake. I for one use deer stalker, bamboozle, butcher, discoordance right now.
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Ruin may help weak killers to rank up but noed - never. You will never be able to pip with Noed all alone. Noed actually deny killers points.
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@Delfador said:
Let me introduce you Zubat's omegablink nurse. Don't worry the match just lasts 3 minutes. 2.47.24
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/387626119
No you are wrong, every killer is not the same, there are boosted killers, good and balanced killers, eh killers and bad killers. Nothing to do with the player.
Any idiot can 4 k in 3 mins as omegablink nurse with bbq calm down
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@NoShinyPony said:
Absolutely. I always 4k with Freddy on rank 1 without perks and add-ons and without using his power.
I always juke killers for 6 gens
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@HeroLives said:
Are you talking about Busted billy , or just billy?
Bc a non 4 man team if they’re good can handle billy or it atleast be a fair match, but BUSTED BILLY gg can’t make it with randoms,Or atleast ive yet to be on a team in red ranks that can handle it, and I’m always the last one standing. That’s just personal experience.
Billy with best addons
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@fluffybunny said:
Billy isn't busted and only some 4-man SWF are unbalanced. A lot of people who SWF are casual.
@Theluckyboi Probably to trigger/troll people who SWF.
I dont think so. Some killers dont even need ebony mori to deal with swf
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@Blueberry said:
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@Blueberry said:
I'd still say SB is OP personally. Doesn't matter the cooldown restriction, the perk single handedly makes stealth killers completely irrelevant.When i heard about nerf i didnt realize it still recovers when you walking
People that only play survivor way over exaggerated the nerfs. What else is new though
True what did make that perk good in first place ?getting sprint burst while looping lol
Yeah before the nerf you could also keep getting it back up mid chase to loop even longer.
Sprint is still probably the best exhaustion perk in a game.
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@Master said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/51220/why-slugging-got-nerfed-by-the-way
What are you talkign about?
That it got 3 times easier to pick someone up from the ground? Thats been a thing since the legion patch now.....
Read previous posts
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“Chaser Scoring: The proximity penalty has been increased.
Nobody gives about points
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@Weederick said:
Ryanpez69 is the best billy i know, better than Zubat. 7k hour on billy, really got the chainsaw down.
Yes this is what im looking for not games with HillBilly massacres everyones in the open lol thanks
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/356757#Comment_356757
You asked why he is great? Because he is crazy skilled. He steam rolls survivors. Most matches they struggle to get more than one gen done. He recently did a series of killer matches where he ranked up from rank 20 all the way to rank 1 using no perks or add ons. Nothing except raw skill.
You want proof of this go to his twitch or Youtube channels for the videos. Its all there.
He s nothing special just a good killer like plenty of players in dbd. Yet so far i seen his HillBilly games where first surviors of his are playing like idiots he gets first hook easy then it doesnt take much to do good the rest of a game . I dont see him cutting the loops like good killers does in his games at least what ive seen so far he doesnt even meet loops at first chase(survivors are running in open against Billy lol ) or if he does survivors are playing like on Rank 20. What the ######### is this he downs first survivor then he make a few steps and immediately find another survivor those are potato survivors he verses basically every single game.
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HillBilly , Nurse.
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Fix gens through ruin.
Counter bbq by either getting into locker or being close to hook .
Stay at strong loop while giving away your aura.
If you see Billy getting out of pallet stun very quick dont try to stun him.
Force billy to hit you by looping him at T wall loops . Then you no longer have to worry about insta down.
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@GrootDude said:
@slayer I don’t wanna be “that” guy, but it’s only 95%
And? I just want to know why devs nerfed slugging . Was it considered overpowered?
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@Samwise said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/356613#Comment_356613
Sounds like a counter to the gen rush to me.
OP plays DBD with 2 survivors already slugged at the start of a game .
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@MojoTheFabulous said:
You can recover to 99% because it takes longer to recover due to the healing speed change from a while back.
Actually no. If survivor start to heal already fully recovered in dying state survivor its basically instant heal not like before.
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@ABannedCat said:
Seriously, they raised the recovery rate even more? Why not make Unbreakable a basekit for survivors at this point?
No it is like this for a few months already. They can recover to 99%!
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@GrootDude said:
Are you talking about the new rank system? If so then lemme tell you survivors are also being punished for playing effectively.
Im talking about recover state. You can recover now till 99% or so
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@HatCreature said:
Playing Survivor is not as hard or stressful as playing Killer, I play both sides. If I want a relaxing game I play Survivor, if I have time for a dominating game that I can focus on I play Killer. Notice the words I chose for both sides, those are my honest feelings about both sides, I have more time to play Survivor because playing Killer requires more attention, thereby stressful to play Killer. You screw up as Survivor you have 1 or 2 more chances, you screw up as Killer which is very easy to do, you lose.
As a killer if you screw up first chase you lose if you dont you have a lot of of room for mistakes . At the end you can still win quite easily.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/357107#Comment_357107
Lmao noed is actual horse ######### against half decent survivors and 9.9/10 it won't even activate and it's nowhere near being in the meta.
Ruin isn't meta because it's strong, it's in the meta because it's the only somewhat viable counter to the ridiculously fast survivor objectives.
I prefer discoordance thana or butcher over ruin any day but lately i decided to try it just for some change and had a few games done before any gen got fixed(rank 1). What can i say is that ruin at the moment can slow the game real good but its just gambling just like noed high risk high reward perks. Ruin is going to turn into garbage when servers arrive. Ive played games with 30-80 ms and it was quite easy to hit greats consistently.
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@thekiller490490 said:
Yeah, if you get interrupted as Billy you can start charging with the meter still full from the last time.
It doesnt work for me
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@The_Crusader said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/357338#Comment_357338
Solo survivors find it hard to co-ordinate, some just leave them entirely On top of that killers like Billy can pressure the map well enough that they don't have time to cleanse all totems as well.
It's easy to say "just cleanse totems" but sometimes it's easier said than done. Like again people say "just loop billy" yet he's constantly picked because he's strong, or when they say "just get good with skillchecks" for ruin, yet everyone picks Ruin because it slows the game down.
Again it's like when survivors say "just eat the DS" but it's not always that simple because sometimes you simply don't have the time to be messing about with DS when they're rushing gens.
What I'm saying is the fact that people say "billy is easily loopable" yet at the same time everyone recognizes him as one of the strongest killers in the game. There's a lot more going on.
Like when they say "just use stealth" against the nurse, yet nurse is seem as hands down the strongest killer in the game and many would argue OP.
All these tactics work up to a point but in the context of a full game over 10 minutes or so "######### happens".
If all these counters were as simple and easy to consistently pull off for an entire game then none of these things mentioned would be meta, no nurse, no billy, no noed, no ruin, no ds etc
People pick them because they are strong - fact.
Well no ######### do you realize that killer s side is also played by people that also want to have equal chances of winning?
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@HeroLives said:
@DeadGavin also the reason billy and nurse are considered balanced by people that aren’t absolute game mechanic monsters is Bc of their high mobility and ability to keep gen pressure, hook pressure, and maintain a chase while still being able to stall progression at a reasonable speed.
ill break it down for you they are considered balanced Bc they can 4K consistently without tunneling and camping, and keep map pressure. Meaning they as characters can progress a match with a reasonable speed for both sides.
broken :
using the addons stacked with perk builds to support it to apply all the ALL THAT pressure in one area resulting in a 4K with no real counter to it before any kind of progression can be made on one side.
Did it feel good when flashlight insta blinds were a thing? No, they were cheap
did it feel good against the old bnp 4 man squad? No, they were cheap
did it feel good to be ds 4 times? No it was cheap
did it feel good after they nerfed it and maybe it would happen even just max 2 times? No ,it was cheap
im saying this is also cheap and should be looked at with the way it can be built.
Also maybe just maybe if they did nerf nurse(which I don’t have an issue with but a lot of other players do) and billy then They can actually look at gen times or create conditions on how closely you can pop them to each other in order to prolong gameplay. At red ranks though gen time is everything for both sides and that’s against the normal killer roster in red ranks (spirit, billy, nurse, hag) who can 4K WITHOUT the op build NOT GOING FOR A SLUG SNOWBALL BUILD.
Default billyandnurse are able to 4k without tunneling and camping only on killer sided maps however if they able to do that on survivor sided maps then those survivors are just really bad
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@MhhBurgers said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/356635#Comment_356635
Borrowed Time giving you a ton of free escapes out of bad situations, selfcare being more effective at healing the entire team up once you hit more than 2 ppl while giving more safety than a lump of survivors healing each other, Adrenawin rendering m1 killers without NOED helpless in endgame and enabling the hard genrush.
Those are just good perks . Ds if happened to used well can totally screw killer
@HeroLives said:
@MhhBurgers something needs to be done, idk what. You’re idea might work/help. Tweaking the addons idk, but jeezus.
As far as nurse I still don’t feel like she’s as bad as billy. I rarely see nurses play like that. You can still mind game her blinks even out in the open as long as you juke unpredictabily, if your decent at stealth she’s not that big of an issue. She’s only bad when she’s cross mapping the hook imho. Which they usually don’t Bc most of them are keeping gen pressure.
You do it wrong you shouldnt try to stay in a chase against nurse. Nurse by default doesnt have insane map pressure she s slightly better than other weak killers at that.
@tt_ivi_99 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/356635#Comment_356635
You mean Insta-heals, brand new parts, purple flashlights, any exhaustion perk, adrenaline...?
Exhaustion perks andadrenaline are just good. Bnp insta heals can be countered with killers op addons, offering so its fine by me
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@ATOMIC_ACE_PUGG said:
Billy is fine honestly are you trying to kill off the killer population? It's already hard enough to find a match on high ranks especially when you play with friends. Nurse is the only op killer she ignores all gameplay mechanics and can have 5 blinks now that is op
So looping is the only game mechanic? Ending a chase is game mechanic too and nurse is slow at movement she has weakness in that aspect while other killers dont just because there s only one killer like nurse doesnt mean she s broken she can get juked by better survivors. People like op are going to say anything to demand for nerfs (ignores games mechanics, built in instant down etc)
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You cant use CI?
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/356757#Comment_356757
You asked why he is great? Because he is crazy skilled. He steam rolls survivors. Most matches they struggle to get more than one gen done. He recently did a series of killer matches where he ranked up from rank 20 all the way to rank 1 using no perks or add ons. Nothing except raw skill.
You want proof of this go to his twitch or Youtube channels for the videos. Its all there.
Okay . Going to look better
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So you're asking to see a particular match that shows he is both a great billy and killer player in general?
Yes
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And i asked you why?
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/356615#Comment_356615
Why what? Show you the game that proves what? I don't know what you're asking.
Fierce Billy and killer in general were your words
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@HavelmomDaS1 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/350126#Comment_350126
He's trash? Calm down bud, he plays really optimal and does just a few mistakes. He sometimes turns a 4 men escape into a 3-4k at the end (without NOED, just patience, reading the greed and smart plays).
Also, he is the only streamer I know who plays every killer and survivor in rotation. He basically plays each killer 10 minutes every 2 days. Are doing the same? Probably not, you probably make 1 or 2, maybe 3 killers and invest tons of time into it. Tru3 has only 10 minutes. Every 2 damn days. And he has to warm up within these 10 minutes.
So better you keep quite before talking big if you only watched some games.
(Btw I want to mention he is EU player and from my experience EU has the most sweaty swf groups)
Pretending that Noed is strong
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@tt_ivi_99 said:
You want them because you like to see people playing him or because you'd like to learn Billy?
I main Billy currently thats why . I m interested in any vids (full games would be even more nice ) that show skilled using of chainsaw . Especially at loops. Thanks in advance.
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@Chi said:
I made a topic about this a while ago, of course all the killer mains came out of the woodwork saying that I should git gud and instasaw is fine.
I agree, it should be nerfed, and the rarity of it should be changed. I think that will happen sometime this year. I remember McLean talking about taking a look at the Hillbilly's addons a while ago.
If op talks about addons i 100% agree but i think he s talknig about addonless Billy
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@HeroLives said:
@Thaznar this is why people can’t have nice things, they want to do incredibly broken things Bc they can, and ruin it for everyone else. I was fine with billy before this whole slug before a single gen became a thing. You got a 4K before a single gen, they can’t argue it’s not broken. These are red ranks. Idk man but something needs to get done about it, Bc it’s too much , and it’s not rare either , it’s common.
lol how the hell he can do that unless all for 4 survivors are running in front of him?
Survivors fault. Here some tips on how to play against Billy effectively :
1 ) Play Billy yourself
2) Equip Sprint burst and once he s at you sprint to loop spot.
3)Drop pallets dont be too greedy . I main Billy currently and survivors are too greedy to drop even a single pallet even though they injured
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@HeroLives said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/356635#Comment_356635
Bruh okay swap teams go to red ranks survivor and tell me how much fun you’re having when 90% of the Billy’s are slugging and snowballing and you have no choice but to either hide while your teammates die or run for the unhook to get slugged, then he slugs the next . Did I mention no gens are done? It’s BROKEN. I don’t run ooo , ds, or flashlights. I’m talking about people playing busted billy. Like I said I wish I didn’t feel like I felt the need to address it Bc billy is great for map pressure and when you are getting gen rushed. The fact he can down and out an entire team before a single gen and going for a save causes a massive snowball that you can’t recover from is so broken. It’s broken and it’s “game changing” Bc there’s no real counter for it. You have three options
- watch your entire team get slugged then snowballed
- go for a save and become the snowball
- or wait there is no three Bc there’s no coming back from it. Besides hoping you can do two gens before he finds you and becoming part of the three man hangout Bc he slugged.
lol i do play on rank 1
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@HeroLives said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/356617#Comment_356617
So survivors are the only ones with broken things 👌
Everything other than obsession ds is fine
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Get better you noob. You got used to ther killers that cant do ######### in a decent match of Dead by Daylight
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
I echo Zubat. He is a fierce Billy, and killer in general. He plays all the killers but mains Billy and Huntress most.
Why ? Show me the game that proves that. So far i only seen casual games of him
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@projecteulogy said:
Break aura how? You mean the illusion by running through it? Maybe there was a hidden buff/change.
Yes i mean that. So what is that buff? Some addon or what?
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Hitting survivor on hook with zero emotions. Nodding right after "nicely done" chainsaw hit. Taunting when everyone is on a ground.
I dont consider its toxic by the way. Its just killers having fun =)
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/352440#Comment_352440
I think this is what CI is meant to encourage, better use of the time in a trial other than tunnel vision gen rushing.
Nobody decent takes noed. Its trash. Theres nothing to do other than totems sure you can tap gens but still theres a high probability that one survivor will go down at the first minute or 2-3 if not all will get injured before a single gen is completed and thats basically all that killers need to get gg
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@[Deleted User] said:
This is probably why they’re buffing kindred.
Kindred buff comes with next update?
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@[Deleted User] said:
This isn’t exactly terrible for either Killer, or Survivor. If that instance you mentioned occurred (managing to down a survivor and hook them before the 2 minutes is up), it forces survivors to think more strategically in drawing the killer away, and/or more effectively using that time to find totems if they can’t get to the patrolled gens, instead of complaining about NOED.
Its flat easy against people with no comms.
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You can simply down first survivor and hook him near available gens(ds isnt a thing anymore) and camp him and defend gens at the same time
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@Chi said:
How would that specifically counter SWF?
Perk is Overpowered against not premade team with no voice comms. Isbalanced only against swf i mean.
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@Master said:
You need to play the only killer that has been designed to beat an efficient SWF on voice comms.
The nurse.
It will take a lot of time to master her, but if you actually did, then you can compete with those SWF
Not really i took down a lot with addonless no offerings Billy against toolboxes
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@MegsAreEvil said:
Billy needs a nerf. Not a great one, but its mobility should be a bit more limited. Same goes for nurse. Their mobility is just too OP atm.
Asking to nerf things you dont even know about .You dont even know that nurse by default has no mobility