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You can get it. Myers can instadown so you can keep six stacks and dying light easily. Try it out.
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@Tohmo said:
Is Hag really that good now? I haven't really played her in about a year. And all I remember from Spirit is her bumpy release. Guess they keep changin stuff that I don't know about. Though Spirit being above Billy is kinda questionable for me. His speed and instadown is incomparable to other killers, though I guess I need to up my variety a bit.
@almondbutter Hag after her buffs is literally a top tier menace. Strongest snowball, joint chasing with Nurse (spirit chases faster than both), super good mobility, ridiculous map pressure, scary defense, and almost unbeatable in a 3 gen situation.
Spirit has such fast and effective chasing that she makes Billy a meme.
I recommend playing Hag and Spirit for a while and tell me if your opinion differs to what it currently is.
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They don't work together. Unless you got an instadown lucky haunted ground when your obsession is dead on hook at 4 gens and you had max stacks.
Then you get both effects. 6 stacks of STBFL (30% decreased cooldown) and Dying light (-25% speed on gens).
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I wouldn't decrease Spirits speed, but the rest is great.
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I respect your opinion. For me, (top tier) it's Nurse, Spirit, Hag, Billy, (upper mid tier) Myers, Huntress, Wraith and Clown.
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I mean pennywise btw.
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Some of them look like normal people. I want IT.
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@HavelmomDaS1 he's making an example. She'd make Nurse a JOKE. She already makes Billy a joke @se05239 but she'd make Nurse a literal meme.
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Power bars work pretty well tbh. Spirit worked out. Legion too. Freddy is probably going to be S tier considering the time they've spent on him. Ghostface will probably be top tier.
Nurse needs one for 5 seconds after blinking.
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@Kiskashi said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/490626#Comment_490626
@Poweas Your defence of hag is so cute in this thread 💖, you're literally like NO ONE TALKS SMACK ABOUT MY GIRL. I was joking, I can see hag's potential for a snowball but that's based on if people are injured (or you have H:DH etc) and trigger traps right (you did mention without chase above)? (not thinking shackles or mint here, those do increase the chance) Myers can tier 3 and bait or surprise, regardless of health states. Hag has the distance covered snowball advantage, Myers has the close range/exposed snowball advantage. I think they're both pretty good at snowballing but in slightly different ways.
@Kiskashi yeah I agree. Hag doesn't need them to be injured though, if you're good enough, your traps will get them off guard anyway. I meant with chasing one. Usually works against flashlighters since they'll run into your web. Or teams that unhook and crouch since they move so slow while crouched, you can get there since they farm and snowball them. She gets a LOT of opportunities in comparison. With a well set out web, you will kill them all. Same for Myers. The Queen and King of snowballing.
Also, I'm just protective of Spirit and Hag in general. Spirit is 2nd, Hag is 3rd. If someone disagrees I try to sway them into my way, with a proper argument obviously.It's just that Hag is so obviously the 3rd best killer. It's obvious :P
But thanks, I agree my defence is 'cute.'
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You should add Brutal Strength with a number increase
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NICE B8 M8 I R8 8/8.
That's a joke. So you're telling me that the pallet vacuum, ultra safe unmindgameable loops are back? You know the ones where killers would get rank for 3 gens on just two pallets in the open? Those are back?
Obviously, you need to calm down. There's a lot of pallets in the map, they need to be toned down but they are
A. Nowhere near as much as they used to be .-.
B. Nowhere near as safe and time consuming.
The devs will address it if you make a proper, more constructive thread on General discussions, where Peanits tends to be. He'll pass it on.
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Seriously? I'm rank 8 and I've been getting rank 7's who have been giving me some of the toughest matches I've had in a YEAR.
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@Mushwin god no. And that gif has just repelled me even more. My wall is always closed. Please don't visit.
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@Kiskashi said:
Snowballing?? Come on that has to go to a Mikey... *looks at comments above on sandbag Nea* Actually no, I withdraw my statement, there's nothing more deadly in a short time than a sandbagging Nea. Well played.
@Kiskashi ok fair point, but Hag is STILL better. Michael needs to have everyone in an area, Hag can just down people fleeing. He's good, but not Hag tier in snowballing. Definitely second best snowballer in DBD though.
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@Mushwin my wall is always open!
@TreemanXD I'll miss you. I'm going off DBD myself, with this whole battle pass thing. It feels like a knock off Fortnite and I don't even know if the fun of Spirit will be able to keep me playing. Most likely case is, I'll get a new mouse and bash Apex, Fortnite or PubG
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I can totally agree. I'd honestly make his chainsaw endless so it's a Billy but with turning instead of speed. Then the 118% MS would be fine. If he breaks a pallet with his saw, it stops so the survivors have a chance. He can only get bloodlust 1 though. Idk, that's my ida for Leatherface.
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@Blueberry said:
Hypothetically what if instead of the other changes we thought of, what if she just got Black Incense baked into her base kit?
So choosing to not use fountains and stay infected/broken would be giving her constant aura pings of them all when they vomit. Just change the passive version to only include auras of survivors vomiting that are in the broken state and not ones that are only infected. I actually really like this idea.
@Blueberry that would actually fix her. Smart.
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@Hoodedfengm1n it does work, because he's short. But the same can be said for Hag.
I'm not arguing it, Hag is better than Freddy at snowballing whether you agree or not, it doesn't matter.
He's better at mindgames, delaying the game and tracking (to an extent).
She can just destroy a team with her traps. It's obvious that she's better at snowballing.
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@Hoodedfengm1n incorrect, Hag is far better since she can down a team in like 20 seconds. Freddy has to chase tho.
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@Hoodied said:
I am a Freddy main, I am the strongest of you all comrades
@Hoodedfengm1n yes, in delaying the game. But in terms of snowball, Hag sits on the throne! And in terms of in general who's strongest it's Spirit and Nurse!
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Plague, I'll give you my katana and do your hair. We can haunt together <3
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@NMCKE said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/487392#Comment_487392
Ah I see! I know every killer doesn't need to be Nurse tier, but if you want Spirit to be as rewarding as Nurse, she will need to get some of her power back upon hitting survivors after exiting Yamoaka's Haunting. Not saying this is needed, but it's just a suggestion if you want her to be more rewarding for her difficulty. :)
@NMCKE dear god, I'd be dominating with that. Especially with STBFL XD. She'd be the strongest killer by a landslide.
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@johnmwarner said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/472686#Comment_472686
A large majority of the players player base considerably nurse, hillybilly and spirit and the only playable kind learn at higher ranks. You’re using her wrong
@johnmwarner you forgot Hag, as usual.
Sigh Underrated, is obviously Hag. Clearly better than Billy and weaker than Spirit.
Overrated, obviously Billy, he's just an effortlessly loopable killer against smart survivors, at least Hag has a chance.
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It looks neat.
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@HavelmomDaS1 I can't say that the fog whisperer picking is perfect. What you've stated is just them saying their opinions, which is totally fine. Everyone has their own, and if we tried to make everyone think their own ways, life would be dull, tiring and lame.
However, I can't say I disagree with the point that some fog whisperers need to go as some of the fog whisperers WITCH HUNT (I got you @Detective Jonathan), insult and just bully some players. Which is bad, considering fog whisperers are supposed to promote the game, bring in more players and make it seem more fun. All they do is make it dull and send away newer players.
Basically, to summarize all of that, I think that Fog whisperers is a good way to bring in newer players, but some of them they've chose behave disgustingly and insult and witch hunt people. BHVR needs to find some more non-toxic fog whisperers like Tru3Ta1ent, Puppers and so on. I won't name the bad ones, as that is naming and shaming.
I would have personally kicked out the toxic ones tbh. @SenzuDuck
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@NMCKE said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/487373#Comment_487373
Your comment contradicts itself. NMCKE is confused on what you're trying to say. 😭
@NMCKE Eks dee. :P
I meant with my other one, that while she's not as rewarding, she feels more rewarding.
Not in need of buffs to be Nurse tier though.
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@NMCKE said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/487196#Comment_487196
If you want Spirit to be more rewarding for skilled players, she will need to get 100% of her power back upon hitting a survivor after exiting Yamoaka Haunting (I hope I spelled it right). The window to refresh your power would be around 1 secondish after leaving Yamoaka Haunting. However, to compensate if you fail, her power will take 20 seconds to recharge (PTB time). That's what you will need to make Spirit as rewarding as Nurse since Nurse doesn't have a Blink cool down, just fagutie.
@NMCKE she needs no reworks. She's in a great spot atm and needs to rework. Just a solid killer.
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@Arroz said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/64063/spirit-requires-far-more-skill-than-nurse
Agree, im becoming a spirit main now :)
She's already in level 25
@Arroz great! Wait until she's fixed, she'll be such a beast.
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We can't shame the Billy's @KillermainBTWm8
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@NMCKE I agree, Nurse is more rewarding. Although, Spirit feels far more rewarding imo. It's weird, but I feel more rewarded for being good with her. Obviously, it's not the case, and Nurse is more rewarded for her skill, but Spirit feels like she is more. But I agree.
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Nobody likes Billy. Overrated, weak.
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@Bug_Reporter said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/64063/spirit-requires-far-more-skill-than-nurse
Is that a surprise for you? She has been out for months and you realized that just now? LOL
@Bug_Reporter no I've always thought it. I wanted to see how much people disagree.
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@Blueberry said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/483361#Comment_483361
"Hag is more difficult to counter than Billy"
That's fine if that's how you feel. I personally disagree.
"Running through her traps are sometimes futile because if she teleports (Using STBFL for a ridiculously short cooldown so she can fly around) the survivors are pretty much dead. And she can go everywhere."
Smart survivors are doing that running through traps at times you wouldn't be able to do that. IE during carries for one example.
"Don't get what you mean by Billy is hard to counter either, just loop him"
He is countered by looping, but the thing is he has such high mobility that it is MUCH easier to catch people out and too far from a loop with him. Also because of his saw the times that he does catch you out (which is high because of my previous statement) are MUCH more punishing than almost any other killer. Against a good Billy with no loop it's very rare you are dodging that saw on your back.
@Blueberry let's agree to disagree. I can't agree on Billy being harder than Hag.
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@xllxENIGMAxllx said:
Ok play on console then you will understand what true skill is. PC nurse is OP and well more easy to learn but on consoles, low sensibility the game running to 30-45 fps with frame being unstable.
We being told that PC players have more skill when they know nothing. If i were playing nurse on PC i would 4k more often (lery , rotten fields).
@xllxENIGMAxllx I came from Xbox.
I know PC players in general have a lot less skill. (Seriously some XBOX rank 20's are more skilled than PC rank 10's it's weird). Unless it's rank 1, XBOX rank 1 is not quite as skilled as PC rank 1.
But anyways, Nurse is tougher on console but not on PC.
I find it hilarious how you assumed I'm just a PC only player. I have 600 hours on console. XD
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@Peanits or @not_Queen can we have that kind of breathing back?@not_Queef
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@popoles said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/485437#Comment_485437
And when you use it, does that mean that everybody uses it? No.
I play spirit whenever I get a daily quest for her and it's a 4k almost every time. (Sometimes they find the hatch before me, but oh well.)
@popoles maybe you're just naturally good? I'm like that with Nurse. I used to main her and had her pretty much mastered in 2 days XD.
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Yeah, DC's ruin it but overall it's fun.
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He's trash compared to Spirit and Hag. He can't chase 2 survivors at once and down them quickly (assuming they're near a pallet) but Hag, Spirit and Nurse can. He's trash in comparison. Here's why I think Hag is better:
Hag can spread pain when the survivors are across the map quicker than any other killer in the game, not even Nurse can. She is way better than Billy in chase. She can dominate with Thanatophobia, she can control 1/2 of the map without addons 3/4 with her green range addon alone. She is ridiculously mobile with her traps, joint with Billy. Her map pressure is off the chart and she's everywhere. With STBFL, she's unstoppable. She can control 5 gens at once. That's massive considering Doctor is limited to 3 or maybe 4. She's unpredictable. If you're good enough with Hag, you can even take on SWF, as I do, and still win (Yes I'm that good with her). She's unloopable and amazing at mindgames. She can snowball WAYYY better than any other killer, even better than Billy. I don't need to expand on that, it's common knowledge how good she is at snowballing. She can injure 3 survivors and down 1 in the space of 20 seconds, and with STBFL, maybe even 14 seconds. She can pressure survivors into healing and gets a major advantage if they do. She can sometimes bring the game to a crawl, if they are pressured into healing
And for Spirit, it's blatantly obvious how she's better.
That being said though, he's still an amazing and strong killer. 4th best definitely. @Poweas
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I think to see which killers are viable without perks? My guesses are Nurse, Spirit, Hag and Billy.
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@popoles said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/485429#Comment_485429
I've got 1.500+ hrs in this game, at least 700 as Nurse. There are almost no mindgames that I don't know about.
And iron will? Almost nobody uses this perk, so one guy in 10 matches isn't that great of a deal.
@popoles I use Iron will...
And you should try maining Spirit and honestly tell me if she's easy.
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That wont change anything.
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@popoles it's different to that. Some survivors run Iron will and perks like poised where it's difficult to follow them. Mindgames aren't as simple as standing still, some survivors are really wily and you have to seriously outthink them. Spirit mains/Tru3 make it look a lot easier than it is. In reality, Spirit has so much mechanics you gotta know. I've only learnt about 30% of what you need to know and I'm a rank 3. Although, I'll admit I get little time to play nowadays.
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@Blueberry said:
I agree. In terms of skill required to play at a high capacity in rank 1 games I would put the top 3 most required as:
- Spirit
- Huntress
- Nurse
Just my opinion.
Keep in mind this isn't power level, but simply the skill required to play them at a top level capacity.
@Blueberry I agree actually. And fourth would be Hag imo. Smart answer!
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@Delfador said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/484696#Comment_484696
Accept it or not, she takes no skill
I knew I was gonna get crap because of this from spirit mains. She is extremely easy to pick up and use. Sorry to offend spirit mains who think that they are God at this game.
@Delfador you don't know anything about Spirit if she's easy to pick up. And you don't know anything about Spirit mains if you think we think we're gods at DBD. Honestly, I like you so I won't be aggressive as I feel like being, plus you're an awesome person.
But if you seriously think Spirit is that easy, send me a game of you playing her. I highly doubt you understand her if you think she's easy.
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@noneofyourbusiness said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/484576#Comment_484576
I do not know, maybe it's a matter of the fact that without this power, she is an ordinary killer with 110% speed of movement. The nurse does not have this problem. It is more convenient to play in my opinion. I do not think she's weak at all. Imo top tier killer still.
As you said, you have to get used to the fact that you need to "respected" her power, so to speak.You can not waste it, which sometimes happens to me.
@noneofyourbusiness idk, try playing Spirit more, who knows, you might enjoy her as much as me.
Tell me your results on my wall :D
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Overcharge is OK with it tbh.