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@ohheyitsbobcat said:
I think they should be asexual personally. Just jump right into the deep end and add one of the more controversial ones first that way it can only get better if it blows up in their face.
Asexuals get very little representation and can be outright dismissed so having an asexual be first over the other big letters would show they really care and aren't just doing it to do it.
A lot of people don't care about representation in a game like this anyway so choosing something a bit more out there could garner some attention. Adding a normal LGBQ character of any kind seems like a safe bet and I'd rather them go big.
I considered that, but the problem is that asexual people are functionally indistinguishable from someone whose lore simply omits any attraction they felt before the Fog. It'd feel like a cop-out, at least to me.
@Mooks said:
Just to add something that I have read but don’t really know if it’s true:
Lesbian representation is apparently the biggest in gaming, but it’s often portrayed in a way for the straight male eye so not really that positive..
again just something I read, don’t really have much knowledge in the overall gaming scene.
on topic. I don’t care which comes first or if they add from every letter one or something else. Just some kind of representation would be nice. And I hope they leave it at how they treated heterosexual relationships, mostly. So not outright saying they are x, but incorporate (direct) hints in their lore, such as girlfriend, during their coming out etc. so leave it open if they came out as bi or lesbian if it doesn’t matter.
I'm confident they'll do it the same way they did with heterosexual relationships.
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@MichaelAMyers said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801889#Comment_1801889
Sooo you want Subjective opinions....to change your mind on something that is subjective?
I want different viewpoints on the subject at hand. It's healthy to challenge one's own views from time to time.
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@MichaelAMyers said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801865#Comment_1801865
As @BigBrainMegMain said it's more of a "Suggestion" than a actual discussion.
It's not, though. I'm asking to discuss this with the community (or rather, that you guys try to change my view). That's why I put this thread in this section instead of the feedback section and why I put "CMV" as a prefix to the title.
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Why do you want this thread moved to the wrong section? I'm not asking the devs to change my view, am I?
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@azame said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801822#Comment_1801822
Usually people who say "change my view/mind" are set in there ways. Also why would I try to change your mind. Getting any sort of LGBT character is a want by many people. Which one it is doesnt really matter to me, I dont really care to be honest. I just said my peace.
Usually people who say "change my view/mind" are set in there ways.
Not me. I enjoy listening to different views and it's beneficial to me, personally.
Also why would I try to change your mind. Getting any sort of LGBT character is a want by many people. Which one it is doesnt really matter to me, I dont really care to be honest. I just said my peace.
That's not the view I'm asking you to challenge. Again, the view is "the new LGBT character should be B or T", not "the devs should add LGBT characters".
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@BigBrainMegMain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801828#Comment_1801828
"THE FIRST CONFIRMED LGBT CHARACTER SHOULD BE EITHER BISEXUAL OR TRANS"
Suuuuuure sounds like a Suggestion to me.
It's clutter, and that's that.
Because you ignored the part where I'm asking the community to change my view. Quote mining does tend to shift the context of a statement.
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@BigBrainMegMain said:
Can we move this to Feedback and Suggestions please?
It's cluttering actual in-game debates and conversations.
This is neither feedback nor a suggestion, it's a discussion between myself and the community. Hence the "CMV" (Change My View) format. If it were a suggestion, I would've placed it in the proper section.
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@azame said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801801#Comment_1801801
Ok I answered that. Also what I said is on topic because no matter what is added B or T. The devs have to do it right or there will.be outrage.
Please explain how "The devs have to do it right or there will.be outrage", a statement that applies to literally everything they do, is either supposed to get me to change my view, or in support of my view, because I just don't see it.
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@The_Bootie_Gorgon said:
It sounds like the devs are trying to think it through instead of just slapping something together and calling it a day. Hopefully the way they do it makes everyone under lgbt feel represented...
That's not possible with one character. It's like making a generic (almost always white male) protagonist and expecting everyone to feel represented because the protagonist is a human.
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@Dak said:
people get more riled up over representation than a working, functional game it seems
We have enough threads about bugs. I think this is a nice change of pace.
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@azame said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801787#Comment_1801787
Ok..? So so you want this to be a bunch of people agreeing with you? I'm just saying how I feel about the subject. So tell me what is the point.
The starting point of this thread isn't "Should the devs add LGBT characters?", which is what you were responding to. The starting point is "Given that the devs are going to add LGBT characters, what should they be?".
I don't expect everyone to agree with me that the first LGBT character should be B or T, or I wouldn't have opened the thread, but I do expect people to at least stay on topic. Again, the question is not whether or not the devs should add LGBT characters - that's a given. The question is which they should add first.
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@azame said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801774#Comment_1801774
The problem is the community is already angry over the lack of bug fixes. My guess is that if the devs mess up the back lash will be immense.
Whatever, that's not the purpose of this thread.
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They're real, but definitely rare. Like @LegioPotatica, I have only encountered one until now.
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@The_Bootie_Gorgon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801731#Comment_1801731
Lesbians(CIS females who like other CIS females) have been refered to as transphobic because they won't date mtf trans.
By a tiny minority of people, though the exposure has certainly been amplified by the usual suspects.
Now, can we get back on topic?
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@azame said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801746#Comment_1801746
^ This right here. They mess up and now the devs are "homophobic"
Bad faith actors will claim that regardless, they always do. And they do so because they know BHVR is not homophobic.
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@indieeden7 said:
I do agree that BTs are probably the ones most overlooked representation wise however I would personally just be happy with any LGBT representation at first, I'd prefer them not to just tag something on after creating the character.
That's how good characters are created, though. Not by focusing on irrelevant traits (sex, skin tone, orientation, height, etc.), but by focusing on what actually matters - the character. That's how we got one of the biggest badasses ever, Ripley.
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@Terro said:
Isn't this the opposite of a lot of complaints that are happening recently? LGs are feeling that the BTs are dominating every issue.
Since when? Ts, maybe, but bi erasure is still very much present.
@azame said:
This is cool and all but this is gonna go down two ways. The devs do it and people are upset it sint exactly how they want it. Or they go with stereotypes of how bisexual/trans act. Oh and one last thing their sexuality will be their entire character.
Me personally I wasnt going into this game looking to figure who likes who, or who's gay or straight, but I guess I can understand why people want this.
I think they'll do it well, but bad-faith actors will try to make it seem like they didn't.
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@chieften333 said:
Personally I don't go into a game looking to be represented. In fact I do the opposite.
I go into games looking to be someone other than myself. Because it takes the edge off of my current problems.
I go into a game to be entertained, but if customization is available, I always go for a character that is as close to me (or an idealized version of myself) as possible.
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@Seanzu said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801699#Comment_1801699
Representation is important, and people (maybe not you) absolutely care about it.
The funny thing is that I don't care about representation, but I feel that it would be done better if it focused on the BTs, who are typically overlooked, instead of the LGs, who are almost always the main focus.
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@noctis129 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801685#Comment_1801685
So ur generalizing. And they can play this game. Nothing stops them from playing dbd.
No, I'm grouping. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. Get it?
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@lucid4444 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801633#Comment_1801633
Really? There was NO ONE asking BHVR to add LGBT representation to their game before their tweet? No one??
And NO ONE defends devs that pander to them? NO ONE??
I was being hyperbolic. However, since you bring it up, I've seen people defend the devs because they brought several horror icons together, yet nobody is against having more licensed characters on the basis that people are defending the devs because they pandered to fans of those icons. What makes LGBT representation so different?
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@noctis129 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801661#Comment_1801661
I'm pretty the rule u mentioned earlier was about banning [bad words]. I myself is a [bad words], I've never been banned despite ppl telling me they reported me.
I was grouping all the racists, homophobes, xenophobes, transphobes, etc., under the same label, which I called "#########".
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@noctis129 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801651#Comment_1801651
What rule are u referring to specifically? U were talking about rules in general, when I put u on the spotlight, u put it on the devs and say that they made the rules. I said than that's the end of the conversation, than u said I am agreeing w u that these [bad words] should be banned. It seems like there are 2 set of rules and ur blending urself w the devs to fit YOUR narrative.
I'm not trying to shift anything.
The rule about not sending death threats. Literally just read them, that's why I linked you to them. The only rules I've been talking about all this time have been the real rules, the ones defined by the developers.
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@Demogordon_Ramsay said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801596#Comment_1801596
I’d probably a little bit concerned if minorities were the only characters to be killed violently for no explicable reason.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801597#Comment_1801597
Ah yes, the good old “No u” without any actual rebuttal. A classic.
I’d probably a little bit concerned if minorities were the only characters to be killed violently for no explicable reason.
Yet the same concern isn't expressed when it's only (presumably) heterosexual characters. In fact, none of these concerns appear when it's about heterosexual characters.
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@noctis129 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801620#Comment_1801620
And this just goes back to what I said earlier. If the devs feel like they want to ban someone, they will. All u can do is report them. That's the end of the conversation.
Why are u going in circles here?
I'm a #########, ur going to ban me?
You claimed I was making up rules and wanted people banned for those rules I had supposedly made up. I proved you wrong by linking to the rules written by the devs. Now you're trying to shift the narrative.
I'm not going to ban anyone, I don't have that ability.
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@lucid4444 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801568#Comment_1801568
Probably because people weren't making constant posts about the lack of Germans
You're missing my point about pandering. It's not that giving people what they want is bad inherently. It's that once pandered to, people feel the need to defend companies because now they're "the good guys". They'll use this to deflect heat from bad choices - "hey guys I know that update was filled with bugs, but rest assured we're going to let you know who is LGBT in DBD".
Probably because people weren't making constant posts about the lack of Germans
The same applies to LGBT. In fact, until the devs' Twitter "announcement", there were no comments on the subject. Now people just want to make sure the devs keep their word.
You're missing my point about pandering. It's not that giving people what they want is bad inherently. It's that once pandered to, people feel the need to defend companies because now they're "the good guys". They'll use this to deflect heat from bad choices - "hey guys I know that update was filled with bugs, but rest assured we're going to let you know who is LGBT in DBD".
That's not a thing that happens.
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@noctis129 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801602#Comment_1801602
No one is banning them becuz u want them to be banned. That's the argument that's been going on. Don't say devs made rules when really, ur making up rules as u go.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/kb/articles/139-game-rules
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@noctis129 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801593#Comment_1801593
Than there's no complaint to be made. If devs made rules, and it's violated, and they ban ppl they deem bannable, than that's the end of the conversation.
That's what the conversation is about, yes. I'm glad you're on board for banning all these #########.
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@Demogordon_Ramsay said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801477#Comment_1801477
If you care about being represented in a horror game as the survivor characters, that's you being odd.
"Nice, they finally added a bi character! Now I can watch my fellow bi boys be brutally and mercilessly slaughtered! I feel so represented!"
Who cares? Let people enjoy things for whatever reasons they have. I'll bet you anything you wouldn't hear those same arguments if every single character was LGBT.
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@noctis129 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801582#Comment_1801582
Rules made by whom?
The devs.
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@noctis129 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801550#Comment_1801550
Just block the player. So u can't read anything toxic they post.
Game will never be better for everyone. It may be better for u if we just ban everyone u deem bannable.
It will be better for everyone if the people who spew racist, etc., stuff get banned for violating the game's rules. Allowing people to break the rules they agreed to follow without consequences is a bad idea.
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@noctis129 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801544#Comment_1801544
My point exactly.
But it will help to reduce overall toxicity, and by a lot.
A solution doesn't have to be "all or nothing", as long as it doesn't create a bigger problem than the one it's trying to fix.
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@lucid4444 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801357#Comment_1801357
1 not an excuse, I'm looking at BHVR at a whole, and if the higher ups made that choice- they should be ashamed
2 I thought the higher ups decide when to release stuff? They also decide who to hire - it's the same on every game the shoves out DLC by the truckload yet lets the game crumble. "Guys the art team doesn't code!!11!" So hire less artists and hire more/better coders. But that doesn't generate quite as much short term profits does it?
3 they're always "working on it" lol
4 but they can give specifics on DLC
5 exactly - I'm just clarifying to people that think once they say "oh by the way, Claudette is a lesbian" that they're doing some personal favor for them for representation, to make them feel welcome.
not an excuse, I'm looking at BHVR at a whole, and if the higher ups made that choice- they should be ashamed
It's not meant to be an excuse. The people apologizing aren't the ones actually responsible for the problems. It's just a statement of fact.
I thought the higher ups decide when to release stuff? They also decide who to hire - it's the same on every game the shoves out DLC by the truckload yet lets the game crumble. "Guys the art team doesn't code!!11!" So hire less artists and hire more/better coders. But that doesn't generate quite as much short term profits does it?
Hiring more coders won't help. Too many cooks and all that. I can't say anything about their skill level because I don't know it.
they're always "working on it" lol
Is that an issue? Would you rather the same thing that happened with this DLC also happen with everything else? Just rushed features and patches full of bugs?
but they can give specifics on DLC
They can give specifics on things that have already been decided, yes, if the higher-ups allow it.
exactly - I'm just clarifying to people that think once they say "oh by the way, Claudette is a lesbian" that they're doing some personal favor for them for representation, to make them feel welcome.
Yes, thank you. Every LGBT person already knows this because every single time LGBT representation is mentioned, someone makes the same comment you just did. We also know what capitalism is and are well aware of the concept of pandering. However, as I said before, I find it curious that "pandering" isn't mentioned when it comes to other characters. For example, why wasn't "German pandering" on the tip of everyone's tongues when Felix was released, if indeed pandering is so bad?
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@noctis129 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801323#Comment_1801323
Unless ppl are hacking, nobody really deserves to get banned. Just block the player so u don't have to meet that person again.
As far as ur anger goes, go play a game called flower. Look it up.
There is no way to avoid meeting the same player, and people who push other players away definitely deserve to be banned so the game can be better for everyone.
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No.
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This would make it so only killers would have to pay in order to have access to new content. It's unreasonable to expect most people to be OK with this.
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Honestly, with the bugs, long queue times, and Cyberpunk 2077 coming, I prefer the freebies.
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@Demogordon_Ramsay said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801416#Comment_1801416
Yes, they do. Why should we care about the rewards for the coming weeks if they're not better than the rewards we got the first week? Given the nature of the OP, it wouldn't be worth talking about if it weren't the case. Ergo, it's implied the coming weeks will have better rewards.
No, they don't. Speaking of how things are now doesn't imply anything about how things will be in the future.
If I say "We have electric cars today", I'm not saying "We'll have flying cars tomorrow". I'm just saying "We have electric cars today".
Read the words that are written, don't try to extrapolate based on what you want to hear. The statement was perfectly clear.
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@Ihatelife said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801405#Comment_1801405
I'm sorry, but if the majority of the community keeps questioning devs about any changes to the CURRENT Legion, then clearly there is something wrong with them and must be done about it.
The majority of the community isn't doing that, only a loud minority of forumgoers are. However, I'll just say again the devs have already addressed Legion, but you can't please everyone.
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@Ihatelife said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801395#Comment_1801395
''Those are the rewards for just the first week''
By these words I can interput that something better can just happen in the next callendar weeks and as a result it makes the unnecessary hype and disappointment.
The words that were written do not imply that at all.
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@Ihatelife said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801376#Comment_1801376
Yes. As yu can become a good M1 killer 😂
Some killers are designed to be easier to play. That's not a drawback, it's just a characteristic. Not every killer needs to be as complicated as performing brain surgery while blindfolded.
@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801392#Comment_1801392
Correct me if I'm wrong but @Orion is bi lol
You are correct.
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@Ihatelife said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801339#Comment_1801339
The last one is disgusting, but completely true. I hate the fact that companies use my sexual orientation as the trademark for their products. Absolutely disgusting.
They're not, though.
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@Ihatelife said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801338#Comment_1801338
You mean the changes where they turned Legion into a M1 killers? Also I'm playing the game from december 2016 and I'm here on the forums from a 2 years. I'm sorry but Legion is extremely boring bunch of killers that server no purpose in their power in order to down people and have no skill cap. It's just a mend simulator which is boring for both sides.
I mean the changes they made. How you perceive them doesn't change the fact that they were made to begin with, and with the intention of addressing the issues you mentioned earlier. If you're aware of these changes, then it's even stranger that you would claim they had never changed Legion.
PS: You mean no skill floor. No skill cap would mean that someone playing Legion could become infinitely good. A cap refers to a limitation on the highest values that something can take.
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@lucid4444 said:
Same old, same old
- ship ######### with bugs, say they're sorry but make excuses
- push out cosmetic DLC instead of balancing the game / the grind
- they're focusing on add-ons for balance.. and ignoring keys/mori/palletspawning (we're looking at them....)
- ignore the grind for the next 6-9 months????
- "we're looking at it"
- LGBT representation - this is just corporate pandering. They're not your friend, they're selling you a product
ship [BAD WORD] with bugs, say they're sorry but make excuses
The higher-ups decide when stuff is released, not the devs themselves.
push out cosmetic DLC instead of balancing the game / the grind
Would you like the art department to work on bugs or game balance? I wouldn't. No offense to the art department, they make some nifty stuff, but I wouldn't want them working on bugs any more than I'd want a geologist to operate on me.
they're focusing on add-ons for balance.. and ignoring keys/mori/palletspawning (we're looking at them....)
They've already mentioned they're working on keys and moris. Pallets (and maps in general) are being reworked. The graphical update includes map reworks.
ignore the grind for the next 6-9 months????
The devs can't drop everything they're doing every single time there's a problem to be addressed. These things need structure.
"we're looking at it"
What else do you expect them to say? They can't give out specifics because some people go crazy every time the devs show WIP stuff that they change later on, calling them liars and whatnot.
LGBT representation - this is just corporate pandering. They're not your friend, they're selling you a product
Yes, that's how capitalism works, they want to make a product that appeals to consumers so they can make money. That's why they included Shape, to pander to Halloween fans, and Pyramid Head, to pander to Silent Hill fans. Oddly enough, pandering only seems to be an issue when it's about LGBT representation.
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@Ihatelife said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1800841#Comment_1800841
There was no changes for Legion lately. What are you talking about?
I'm talking about the changes to Legion that came a while ago when people were making the same complaints you're making now. Maybe it was before you joined the game, I dunno, but they happened.
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@Elena said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801125#Comment_1801125
Because ######### who ruin it for others deserve to get banned....?
We have a right to get angry when it happens
Indeed. Even purely from a business standpoint, it makes more sense to ban the ######### than it does to tell people to "get a thicker skin". ######### push existing customers away and prevent new ones from enjoying your product. After all, what is one of the main complaints from veterans and newcomers alike who leave the game? The #########. So, ban them, make the game better for everyone, and watch it grow.
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@Ihatelife said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1800651#Comment_1800651
It's not a challenge if the power is useless and doesn't require skill.
That's beside the point. You claimed the devs hadn't addressed Legion. The truth is that they have, you just don't like the changes.
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@IronWill said:
The death treats aside, one can clearly say from the score how you played. On top you bring in BPs just to end the match within 2 minutes and barely even get 15k BPs yourself. I just don't get that fact. Would it have hurt you, to let the guy with unbreakable pick up/unhook the others so you get more hooks and points cause the game lasts longer?
When I play killer and I see I stomp the survivors (I main GF) I will just walk around the map, keep them all injured and will just let em play some after the first two hooks on each of them. Game lasts longer, I get max BPs, they get some BPs (in those games no surv dies with less than 20k BPs) and most importantly every one has fun - I never had a single survivor complain.
Some people have to realize this game isn't only about your own fun but there is 4 other people with you who want to have some fun as well.
The death threats are the point. To ignore them is to ignore the entire purpose of the discussion.
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@DBD78 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1800323#Comment_1800323
Yeah well the days of freedom of speech is over like it or not.
With that said of course everyone who can't behave in chat should get banned. Or even better just close chat for good and no one will deal with toxic messages ever again.
Free speech applies to what the government does and doesn't allow you to say. Private venues have their own rules that you agree to upon joining. They have no obligation to host your content if they don't want to. And nobody is under any obligation to allow anyone else to spew vitriol at them.
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@BioX said:
so wait, look at these scores, you play like scum purely to milk some reactions out of survivors (for whatever probably sad reason) then come here acting all mr innocent?
idk man, I would seriously consider taking a look at yourself.
It's a game. There is no reason to send death threats or wish death upon someone because they won in a way you don't like.