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@MichaelAMyers said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803545#Comment_1803545
Then they (you) won't care if it's added to the lore.
Then you shouldn't be offended by the Hetero lore....you keep mentioning "No one said anything about the Heteros" like...why does that have to be a "Argument"?.....why does a character's sexuality have to be so "prioritised" for you??
Most people weren't even on topic. They were addressing the (settled) matter of whether or not LGBT characters should/would be added to the game. As for the ones who were on topic, I like to actually have a conversation with someone, find out their reasons for thinking in a certain way, before I change my mind. I don't blindly accept anything and everything someone else tells me.
Yet here you are being so "Defensive" when i haven't commented at you?.....It's clearly shown that not everyone wanna see a character specifically seen for and as a Pandering it gives a bad light already when companies do that for Pride Month "Lets only change our stuff for this month to show we can be "Acceptive" but then change it the next month and wait another year!"
Even if most people weren't the ones giving actual reasonings were getting ignored.
Nobody is neutral and I literally admitted I might be biased right in the OP. It's the beginning of the second sentence.
SO WHAT IS THE POINT if you aren't going to LISTEN that is the point of your own post isn't it? and you are OPENLY admitting to Closing your ears to criticism and being biased thats not good in a debating method.
You can't go into a discussion with bias thats a clouding of judgement, I been into the hobby of debating and the moment you show Bias its a huge huge losing point because you aren't seeing the middle but one side.
Then you shouldn't be offended by the Hetero lore....you keep mentioning "No one said anything about the Heteros" like...why does that have to be a "Argument"?.....why does a character's sexuality have to be so "prioritised" for you??
I'm not offended by heterosexual lore. Did you seriously not understand that I was pointing out that you (people opposing LGBT lore) were treating the possibility of LGBT lore differently from heterosexual lore?
Yet here you are being so "Defensive" when i haven't commented at you?.....
If simply correcting your statements is being "defense" for you, then yes, I'm being very defensive.
It's clearly shown that not everyone wanna see a character specifically seen for and as a Pandering it gives a bad light already when companies do that for Pride Month "Lets only change our stuff for this month to show we can be "Acceptive" but then change it the next month and wait another year!"
Not everyone wants black characters either. Should we toss those? How about female characters? Perks? The game itself? Or can we just let the devs do what they want, one of those things being the inclusion of LGBT lore?
Even if most people weren't the ones giving actual reasonings were getting ignored.
I don't even understand what this means.
SO WHAT IS THE POINT if you aren't going to LISTEN that is the point of your own post isn't it? and you are OPENLY admitting to Closing your ears to criticism and being biased thats not good in a debating method.
I said I may be biased by asking for a B or T character as opposed to L or G. You are, once again, putting words in my mouth.
I won't be replying to you any more because it's become clear to me you're not engaging in good faith. You keep misrepresenting what I'm saying and claiming I'm saying things I didn't say. Have a nice day.
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@Awakey said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803526#Comment_1803526
Whether or not this is important isn't a subjective feeling, it is an objective fact.
This is a video game. You did not buy a video game just to play as an LGBT character. It is objectively not important. We don't need it for game balance, or optimization, or anything.
Whether or not this is important isn't a subjective feeling, it is an objective fact.
It's subjective. You're only looking at what you want and then claiming that's "objective". For example:
You did not buy a video game just to play as an LGBT character.
No, you did not buy a video game just to play as an LGBT character. Who are you to say why other people make purchases?
We don't need it for game balance, or optimization, or anything.
Just like we don't need new characters or perks. We get those things because people want those things. You don't even need video games to begin with. Sometimes, people just want things and it's perfectly OK to give them those things if it doesn't harm anyone (which having an LGBT character won't).
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@MichaelAMyers said:
I'm not saying people are offended by it, I'm saying they didn't care when it was heterosexuals who were added.
Majority of the people don't
A.) Care for the Lore
B.) Don't care for the sexuality (Its not that important to the game itself)
C.) Never noticed it because it doesn't affect them.
Also, for someone who claims not to care or be concerned, you sure are pushing back against it a lot. When I don't care about something, I don't react to it.
But yet you claimed "Change my mind" but yet you get so defensive when someone isn't absolutely agreeing with your comments/agenda for the game and yes people can see this when you reply if you don't care for the "Negativity" then ignore them and their comments and don't reply with those who don't agree with it.
This is why i said earlier opinions are opinions for a reason it's subjective and not objective for a reason you clearly speaking from a emotional standpoint and not an actual neutral standpoint.
Majority of the people don't
A.) Care for the Lore
B.) Don't care for the sexuality (Its not that important to the game itself)
C.) Never noticed it because it doesn't affect them.
Then they (you) won't care if it's added to the lore.
But yet you claimed "Change my mind" but yet you get so defensive when someone isn't absolutely agreeing with your comments/agenda for the game and yes people can see this when you reply if you don't care for the "Negativity" then ignore them and their comments and don't reply with those who don't agree with it.
Most people weren't even on topic. They were addressing the (settled) matter of whether or not LGBT characters should/would be added to the game. As for the ones who were on topic, I like to actually have a conversation with someone, find out their reasons for thinking in a certain way, before I change my mind. I don't blindly accept anything and everything someone else tells me.
This is why i said earlier opinions are opinions for a reason it's subjective and not objective for a reason you clearly speaking from a emotional standpoint and not an actual neutral standpoint.
Nobody is neutral and I literally admitted I might be biased right in the OP. It's the beginning of the second sentence.
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@SunaIIanu said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803481#Comment_1803481
Just to support your point: I'm also in Europe, I found one newspaper article (from a catholic magazine) and two block posts in my native language, that's it.
I asked my BF, who watches more news than I do, he hasn't heard anything either. I also asked a friend of mine from a different country altogether, nothing.
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@Awakey said:
To make a follow-up to the hundreds of comments, rather than replying individualy:
My point is that "representation" really isn't important. What matters in a game is whether or not the gameplay is good. It wouldn't matter if the Survivors were blank character models, as long as they work.
I wouldn't care if every survivor was black, or white, or asian, or gay, or any trait someone can have. As long as they play well.
And to the people saying "there's no reason not to" it's definitely an extra headache on the lore/design team to mach a gay character, not have it be their token, make correct cosmetics, AND deal with people who REALLY didn't want it.
You're no worse off if you don't get it.
And to the people saying "there's no reason not to" it's definitely an extra headache on the lore/design team to mach a gay character, not have it be their token, make correct cosmetics, AND deal with people who REALLY didn't want it.
It's definitely not. Somehow they managed to do with for non-white non-male characters.
You're no worse off if you don't get it.
But many people will be better off if they do get it.
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@anarchy753 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803480#Comment_1803480
You're perfectly welcome to cover your eyes and ears to what's actually happening, that's not my problem and I have better things to do with my time than argue with someone who is arguing for an agenda, not the truth.
Alright, I think I get it now.
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I'd rather not have entire lobbies be rendered worthless because of a single troll who doesn't want to ready up.
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@The_Krapper said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803495#Comment_1803495
Well that's news to me , I honestly don't care either way just like if they added the LGBT I wouldnt care and would play the character, but why add a straight or LGBT relationship to the game at all was my point? I guess it's too late because the devs already added those so I can see why some people would want it added now
Initially the devs weren't going to add relationships at all, but then they forgot about that and added the Nurse (and more - all heterosexual). Now they said they weren't going to restrict themselves by only adding heterosexual characters. Nobody forced their hand, there was no "outrage" about anything. The devs decided to do it because they realized they were unwittingly excluding LGBT characters. That's all.
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@The_Krapper said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803486#Comment_1803486
Nea maybe a speculation on my part, and I thought legion was one person who had different personalities and one of those is a female but the guy is a male? That's what I always took from it , like I said I don't read into the lore very much so I couldn't tell you the whole backstory of any of these people who aren't iconic
You should definitely read the characters' lore if you're going to comment on it.
No, the Legion does not have DID. The Legion is literally four separate people, two of whom are in a romantic relationship that was the main focus for their Tome.
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@The_Krapper said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803453#Comment_1803453
You don't get to decide what I think and that's where you're wrong, you sit here and act like I'm discriminating and that's not the case at all, also what about legion and nea? They're obviously LGBT but just because it's not in the lore people complain and as a nurse main I couldn't care at all what sally's relationship was, for the last time: Im not against it they could add it now and I'd probably play whoever it was , yes I like the ICONIC back stories but I don't even care about the originals and I dont understand why the heck anyone would want a backstory that talks about the relationships these people were in before the game because it doesn't help me when I'm playing and straight or gay I simply just don't care do what you please or what makes you happy, I just don't see how a relationship of any kind really plays into the game no matter what they are
also what about legion and nea? They're obviously LGBT
How are they "obviously LGBT"? Please, do tell. Is it because Nea is ugly and the Legion are four people?
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@anarchy753 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803434#Comment_1803434
Do I expect people to be even vaguely familiar with a court case that has been in global headlines for the past week surrounding the topic they're bringing up? Maybe I don't expect perfection, but I don't tend to go around starting highly controversial political discussions without at least glancing at what's going on recently. Here's a quick on-topic article related to the case; https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/06/keira-bell-lawyer-warns-on-internet-coverage-of-transgender-issues
Here's the best link I can give you surrounding the book, https://open.spotify.com/episode/4SIh4Pt39AtGQYzMJMNkv1 I certainly don't pay for spotify so that should be available to you, unfortunately the youtube versions have been removed. (Important to note that it's worth listening to the first minute before deciding there's 'transphobia' from the name, because the issues being discussed are far from it.) She's an amazing woman who has put her own career on the line simply out of concern for the safety of young girls.
And in short, yes, I would say it's ignorance to enter a conversation saying "I don't know the current issues, or the extreme influence activists are having on politics and the medical field, so I'm going to assume that you're wrong."
Do I expect people to be even vaguely familiar with a court case that has been in global headlines for the past week surrounding the topic they're bringing up?
I looked up "Keira Bell" and couldn't find any news source covering it that wasn't based in the UK - BBC, Daily Mail, The Guardian, The Economist, and so on. The best I could find was Twitter, which I don't visit for obvious reasons. It didn't make any headlines in my country either, despite being in Europe, so excuse me for not looking up recent court cases in all 200+ countries around the world before I post a single comment.
And in short, yes, I would say it's ignorance to enter a conversation saying "I don't know the current issues, or the extreme influence activists are having on politics and the medical field, so I'm going to assume that you're wrong."
Whatever floats your boat.
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Thank you.
@MichaelAMyers said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803459#Comment_1803459
> It is. Other characters are already confirmed heterosexual. It's too bad nobody opposed it back then, maybe we could've avoided this whole mess.
Who is really that offended by "Heterosexuality"?....I am not caring or concerned about a fictional characters sexuality/gender in a horror theme genre.
>So what's your problem? The lore is where it will be mentioned. You will literally never see it unless you go into the character's lore.
Um yes.....what is your problem that the lore makes you so upset?....and you proven the fact that no one really cares for the lore like that...so why make this a big deal over something in all honesty a trivial affair.
Who is really that offended by "Heterosexuality"?....I am not caring or concerned about a fictional characters sexuality/gender in a horror theme genre.
I'm not saying people are offended by it, I'm saying they didn't care when it was heterosexuals who were added. Also, for someone who claims not to care or be concerned, you sure are pushing back against it a lot. When I don't care about something, I don't react to it.
Um yes.....what is your problem that the lore makes you so upset?....and you proven the fact that no one really cares for the lore like that...so why make this a big deal over something in all honesty a trivial affair.
The lore doesn't make me upset, but it clearly makes you upset since you're against having certain things written there. I also didn't "prove" anything, I just said that you don't care about the lore. There are players besides you, many of which enjoy the lore.
I'm not making a big deal out of anything, you are. I opened this thread to have a good faith discussion with the forumgoers about who they think the first LGBT character should be (if they should be L, G, etc.), but many comments here are just addressing the wholly unrelated (and resolved) issue of whether LGBT characters should be added to begin with.
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@JesusOnWheels said:
inb4 people start tunneling/camping the hell out of the trans suirvivor
Let them. The devs didn't kowtow to racists, which is why the game has non-white characters. I don't see why they should kowtow to those people.
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@DontNerf said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803440#Comment_1803440
The main selling point for me is perks
OK? That doesn't change the fact that everything about a character is meant as a selling point.
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@MichaelAMyers said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1802538#Comment_1802538
Its not too late whatsoever I say no for the concept.
the lore doesn't have anything to do with the game itself....there is no "in-Game" story to consider the lore to be that concerning.
Its not too late whatsoever I say no for the concept.
It is. Other characters are already confirmed heterosexual. It's too bad nobody opposed it back then, maybe we could've avoided this whole mess.
the lore doesn't have anything to do with the game itself....there is no "in-Game" story to consider the lore to be that concerning.
So what's your problem? The lore is where it will be mentioned. You will literally never see it unless you go into the character's lore.
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@freddymybae said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803440#Comment_1803440
lol i dont play freddy because he was white but because i like is story
We're talking about original characters, not licensed ones.
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@freddymybae said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803421#Comment_1803421
same if they would do that its good but forcing something is not
And yet, you have no way of knowing the difference. I doubt you even pay much attention to the lore.
@DontNerf said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803416#Comment_1803416
No worries, its okie because its not using LGBT people to pander its wrong using someone's sexual prefrence to sell. Its miss presentation. Now if the character being LGBT is handled well then I'm all for it but if the characters only personality trait is being gay or being trans then it just feels forced.
Dude, every single one of a character's traits are meant to sell the character. Felix being German is a selling point. His being blond is a selling point. His being attractive is a selling point. His cosmetics are a selling point. It's the same for every character, but only hypothetical LGBT characters get this much flak.
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@DontNerf said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803418#Comment_1803418
I doubt many people are against it I think the main issue is that its adding them only because they are LGBT which feels forced and for a game like dbd really out of place, I'm all for it but it has to have a point and not just be "because they gay"
Why? Heterosexual characters didn't get this much scrutiny and didn't need a reason to be added, so why are you treating LGBT characters differently?
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@anarchy753 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803413#Comment_1803413
I've referenced current court cases, highly researched books, and experts in the field. If you want a thousand word essay with harvard referencing, you might want to remember you're on a forum about a game.
I expected links to studies, articles, etc., not just casually mentioning one court case as if it was representative of the usual experience for teen girls and a book that I'd have to pay for and read in full, which could very well take weeks.
Just for the record, you literally expected me to be familiar with a court case in a country I'm not even from and presented my "ignorance" as a failure on my part. Does that sound reasonable to you? Should I expect you to be familiar with current court cases in the Sudan or Azerbaijan?
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@anarchy753 said:
I personally dislike it. Not adding an LGBT character, but the fact that they didn't just do it. They had to make it an "announcement" and release clarifying tweets later on. It feels coddling and trying to make a token character. You want to add a character that sleeps with someone of the same sex? Great. You want to do that to show that it's normal and be inclusive? Great. So why single that out and act like it's a big deal that you're doing it. It shouldn't be a big deal and that's the point.
They also released a comment somewhere about how they "don't want to add a character who's sexuality is their entire personality," which is good, and I agree with, but at the same time I feel like because they created so much buildup for it they'll receive backlash if they add a character that just slips the word "boyfriend" into their lore.
They also released a comment somewhere about how they "don't want to add a character who's sexuality is their entire personality," which is good, and I agree with, but at the same time I feel like because they created so much buildup for it they'll receive backlash if they add a character that just slips the word "boyfriend" into their lore.
That's actually what most people want, because that's the right way to go about it.
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I know what you meant. I'm saying that every DLC has been said to have been "rushed". People said they "could tell" that the DLCs had been rushed. Therefore, every DLC was forced, yet nobody complained about having heterosexual characters forced into the game.
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@DontNerf said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803410#Comment_1803410
Who said I'm a silent hill fan? I've not even played the games, I just like Pyramid head as a killer.
My apologies. Replace "you" with "Silent Hill fans" and then answer the question.
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@freddymybae said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803408#Comment_1803408
because you can tell if something is rushed just like this mess of a dlc
Every DLC has been accused of having been rushed. By your logic, every DLC has been forced, and thus you should have been against the inclusion of Freddy.
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@anarchy753 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803395#Comment_1803395
I mean if you're going to openly admit to being completely ignorant to what's been going on this week let alone through this whole year, I don't feel the need to waste time trying to have a civil discussion with you. Do yourself a favour and actually research what's happening before you decide it's impossible.
Irreversible Damage, it's a really excellent read, and there's legitimate reason why it's being rated one of the best books of the year while remaining so controversial.
Or you could provide sources for your claims, like in a normal discussion. I'm not about to do your research for you.
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@DontNerf said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803403#Comment_1803403
Its a bit different
It's the exact same thing. The devs added the Silent Hill chapter to pander to Silent Hill fans and get them to buy the game (which they did, the player count shows it). So why is it OK to pander to you?
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@freddymybae said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803398#Comment_1803398
ye ofc if bhvr does it they have all rights to do so but if they force it dont expectt me to be happy and the dlc
And how will you be able to tell the difference? You still haven't answered that.
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@DontNerf said:
Gotta get those pander points
Like the Silent Hill chapter, which was made to pander to Silent Hill fans.
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@Orionbash said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803048#Comment_1803048
As a gay person, I disagree. Representation is absolutely not important in videogames. If you require representation to play a videogame comfortably then you have a problem. I hate to break it to you, but videogames are fantasy. You're not these characters. They're not you. And who they ######### should be just as irrelevant to you as who your co-workers #########. BHVR should ignore the, "muh representation" group festering on here and just do whatever the hell they want.
They are doing whatever the hell they want. Specifically, they're adding an LGBT character.
You do understand that people can want to add LGBT characters to their work, right?
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@freddymybae said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803389#Comment_1803389
people went nuts over the " did you assume my gender" joke while they didnt even know the context it was in
They didn't like a joke that was making fun of them and you think that's somehow bad?
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@anarchy753 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803370#Comment_1803370
No, but adding a straight character to a game doesn't imply advocation for homophobia. The current issues surrounding transgender activism stem largely from teenage girls being told overwhelmingly that becoming trans is a good option, and it's followed up with overwhelming blind support from strangers on the internet, and the immediate short-term positives of taking testosterone.
Actively going out of the way to add a trans character and add another source of praise, especially in a game where it isn't relevant or necessary, is just one more push forward for a harmful movement.
Again, I want to stipulate this, I do not believe being trans or transitioning is bad, just that the overwhelming propaganda surrounding it is causing confusion and damage to young people who don't understand the implications of what they're getting themselves into, and I don't believe the game should be hitching itself to that wagon.
You think adding a trans character to the game implies advocating for trans people, including the extremists. The exact same argument can be made for adding straight characters.
I've never heard of massive activism in that direction, just FYI. I've heard claims of it from less than reputable sources, usually those with a vested interest in making anything non-heteronormative look bad, but a sizable movement? No.
I mean, trans people are a tiny fraction of the world's population, so how exactly do you explain the claim that there are large groups of activists pressuring young girls into transitioning? How do you explain doctors just prescribing testosterone supplements when every trans person has to go through extensive psychological and psychiatric evaluation before determining if they are indeed trans?
Sorry, but the idea that trans people have organized a mass movement to get all teen girls to transition just seems like a conspiracy theory.
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@freddymybae said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803382#Comment_1803382
you dont get my point lets look at cyber punk they had a poster with a trans man/woman on it they people went ape ######### over it because you could see the big pp saying it isnt good for the trans community or some ######### but if they wouldnt have it they would cry for not having it in the game sjws will cry about legit every thing and do anything to get what they want
The only "crying" I heard was from people who said that CDPR had "gone full SJW" for daring to show a woman in the first trailer.
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@freddymybae said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803372#Comment_1803372
ofc its important if it makes them more money and the sjws happy
Today I learned someone asking that LGBT people be treated like non-LGBT people is an SJW.
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@Lefrongo said:
Oh boy here we go, everyone hold on to your popcorn and all the other snacks because there might be those type of people who snap at everyone hoping to cancel them right away. They're always looking for trigger worthy phrases along these comments, I don't even think this forum thread is even safe from them. Including a LGBT character sounds like a neat idea, however if someone gets targetted in game with said character, we already know there's people gonna take offense to that.
Like "omg this guy is targeting me and that's because I'm gay!!" Get a grip mate, that's just how the game is played, there's no reason for that survivor to be potentially overpowered just because they're a certain sexual preference. We're just gonna have to sit and wait on how their perks will play out, along with the killer that will come with their DLC if anything. But either way if no killer comes with said survivor then it's whatever. Gonna have to make a judgement called based on the technicalities of their perks, you can make almost any survivor to be the same if you level them up to 40+, so it wouldn't matter to those who have saved their bloodpoints. This thread is getting some traction, so hopefully a forum mod takes notice.
There are already people who take offense to being targeted for playing a black character, just like there are people who target others who play black characters. Are these good reasons to avoid adding black characters? Should we kowtow to people like that?
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@freddymybae said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803364#Comment_1803364
i know i was just saying for dlc characters you cant chnage them i have people seen angry because of freddy like bhvr cant change him just for a few people
You mean licensed characters, not DLC characters. Nearly every character is a DLC character.
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@anarchy753 said:
I definitely don't agree. The B is definitely underrepresented, or more ignored as there's never really discussions about bi in general. But currently, especially on the internet and in the media, T is, if anything, overrepresented.
There's serious issues currently surrounding what amounts to child abuse and medical malpractice, such as is coming out in the Keira Bell case that's just been through British High Court. If you've had a look into Abigail Schrier's "Irreversible Damage" there's some seriously worrying trends in the last few years that are likely to cause severe damage to (mostly) young girls, and a lot of it is due to overwhelming support than any form of transition is inherently good and never to be questioned.
I don't want the survivor to be trans. Not because there aren't trans people who deserve support or representation, but because the over-glorification of being transgender, and the actions of extremist activists is actively causing harm to young girls at the moment, and that's not something I want to be supportive of.
I understand the concern, but the actions of extremists should not be used to paint the entire group in a negative light. It's unreasonable to blame all heterosexuals for the actions of homophobes and it's equally unreasonable to blame all trans people for those abusers. By your logic, we'd just never have any characters in DbD.
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@freddymybae said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803356#Comment_1803356
like dlc you cant change thier lore like freddy had a wife they can hardly make a other story for him
There are original characters in DbD, you know.
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@dezzmont said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803312#Comment_1803312
Drag is a part of LGBT culture as a method of performative non-conformity with gender expression, and playing with presentation, but I don't think that skin is like... Bubba's Drag Persona.
I mean unless we pull a Babadook. Us LGBTQ+ folks are cultural coup masters. Surviving so long with everyone refusing to give us representation has made us masters of making things into mainstream gay icons in order to create a place for ourselves in mainstream culture.
Fear our power! We turned leather gay and we could do the same to the killer you main!
Alright, you made me laugh. Take the upvote.
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@freddymybae said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803048#Comment_1803048
they weren't forced in to the game
And you know this how? Please, show your work.
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@freddymybae said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1802995#Comment_1802995
this i can already see survivors saying "youre just killing me because i am gay i report you know reeee"
Then they get punished for filing false reports, the same way racists get banned when they spew their BS in the chat after killing black characters. Note that the devs didn't avoid adding black characters just because of racists throwing a fit.
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@Satelit said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803338#Comment_1803338
The reason is as wide from simply ,,they like it'' to being a fetish.
Fair enough, though I still don't understand what's appealing about women's clothes.
Side note, it's weird to think that dresses were originally designed for men, but now it's taboo for men to wear them. Like make-up.
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@Satelit said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803317#Comment_1803317
Yeah pretty sure this is still the case,the reason should be obvious
Not for me it's not. I've never worn women's clothing, but the "fancier" stuff seems very uncomfortable to wear. I don't understand why anyone - man or woman - would wear uncomfortable clothing.
@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803317#Comment_1803317
Yeah sure, but Queer or + in the wider sense doesn’t exclude heterosexuality as far as I know.
and i thought being straight but still crossdressing or otherwise not being heteronormative would count towards these parts.
I dunno, it hardly matters in the end. They like it and they're not hurting anyone, that's really the end of the issue.
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And the scene?
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@[Deleted User] said:
As a member of the LGBT community... I am not pushing for this. If it happens...it happens. I just hope that if it does happen - that their sexuality is hinted at, and/or merely a mention, and is somehow intricate to the story (such as they lose their partner/spouse and have since been on the path of justice for their murder by the hands of next-dbd-killer-name-here....) then ok that's cool. I don't think their sexuality should be a focus of their character, but rather the actions that led them to be who they are now (example: seeking justice) should be the focus; for example.
My friends and I already think there is something between David and Felix... I mean there is right?
I'm not pushing for this either. In fact, nobody is. There are people pushing against it, but that's all. Nobody's pushing for this because the devs have already made their decision - it is coming and that's that.
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Indeed. Here's your cookie: 🍪
Now which specific Stargate series and scene? You get an extra cookie if you get that.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803312#Comment_1803312
It could be considered to belong to the ‚Q+‘ part of the LGBTQ+ community though.
but I don’t know exactly, there are also the I and A s that belong to the community and much more, or really up to date on that topic.
Last I heard (though, to be fair, it was a while ago), most crossdressers are heterosexual men.
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@M4dBoOmr said:
First we need a Fat character!
You mean Jeff?
@Dabihwow said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1802761#Comment_1802761
This... see thing is having a character that is Gay (from my expierence) is mostly just useless as all hell. SO what if they are does that prgress the story, well depends on the story, but mostly no. I'm okay with having fanfics of my works but someone a while back has spammed the hell out of me to add an Lgbt chracter in my series (Pinebrook), to the point it ######### annoyed me, I will add at least 1 gay character in. But if that happens to me again I will more then happy kill them off, no one should ever feel forced like that ever!
Indeed, sexual orientation doesn't make any difference, so why purposefully exclude certain orientations?
@Zaytex said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1802770#Comment_1802770
This as well. The only time sexuality would really be relevant was when it came to the lore of the character.
And where do you think their orientations would be confirmed, if not the lore?
@Heartbound said:
My two cents is it's kind of hard to be bi in the fog. You're not with anyone. You're on stand bi. Unless it's like a paragraph in their lore but that just makes them a normal character. (Though thinking about it that might be good for more strict countries. Just edit the snippet.)
Trans people are supposed to be the gender they're transitioning to, so like. It's a normal person unless you give them a paragraph in the lore. I don't get it but whatever floats your boats.
Orientation is about attraction. I don't have to have threesomes with a man and a woman to "refresh" my bisexual status or whatever.
@Pega6 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803022#Comment_1803022
Mori bait?
I'm just saying I remember a discussion about adding LGBT charms and hearing a bunch of people mention they'd just bring mori's and target them. Imagine when it's not just a charm but an entire character
And should we kowtow to those people because of it?
@Kaitsja said:
While representation does matter, I think it's unnecessary in a game like DBD where the focus is on either surviving or killing. The gameplay itself doesn't really leave room for expressions of sexual interest. Sure, it could be added to the lore but I doubt that would be enough for the LGBT community.
The best you'd get with DBD is very shallow representation, which would probably be more offensive to the minorities in question than not being represented at all.
The lore is where all mentions of relationships go. It's where this would go as well. If anyone wanted more, they'd be unreasonable and everyone would tell them as such.
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@Zaytex said:
I'm gay, but the idea to ALWAYS have a gay character is just promoting people complaining about a ''token character''.
I get the idea of representation, but do you really need a gay character in a game to feel valid?
Need? No. I couldn't care less. However, nobody made a fuss over heterosexual characters, so I don't see why LGBT characters (note the letters besides "G") should be excluded.
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@Gore_Nargai said:
While i'm part of the movement, i can't understand the mania of some people to be acknowledge on everything, every single character can be part of the movement, it doesn't get more importance because it's written on their bio.
This is one of the reasons why society is the way it is, because instead of normalizing something that is indeed normal, movements try to force everything into.
So when it happens i hope it does because of time and not because of post like this, peace <3
"Normalizing" would mean adding LGBT characters without anyone making a fuss over it, the same way they didn't make a fuss over the heterosexual characters we've had over the years.
@PigMainBigBrain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801740#Comment_1801740
I would support more of what people were talking about if I could understand half of ######### was being said. BG's TG's LG's BT's BG's what....the hell am I even looking at? You used more acronyms than a military field manual. Shouldn't be that complicated, communication shouldn't need a puzzle for it to be relatable to people.
That being said, as long as they aren't making gay people into a spectacle and stereotype I don't see the problem.
Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transexual = LGBT
So what do you think L, G, B, T, LG, and BT stand for?
@oh_0k said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1802535#Comment_1802535
It's confirmed David has a girlfriend but he still gets paired with Dwight all the time
I still see constant pairing of Felix with other dudes and Nurse with females
And we haven't even release a canon LGBTQ character but yet you're saying people are complaining about it?
And we haven't even release a canon LGBTQ character but yet you're saying people are complaining about it?
Yes. Literally just read this thread.
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@noctis129 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1802229#Comment_1802229
No one signed any rules. If ur upset with online interaction, just block the person so u can't hear the person no more. Idk how many times I have to say the same thing over and over, even the mods are complaining about circular arguement.
No one signed any rules.
The signing isn't literal, but you did agree to a EULA that includes the rules.
If ur upset with online interaction, just block the person so u can't hear the person no more. Idk how many times I have to say the same thing over and over, even the mods are complaining about circular arguement.
If you were to carefully read the comment you quoted, you'll see that you didn't address it. OP said that they were hoping to get more information on how to get these ######### banned and to vent their frustrations. You're going in circles because you're not even really reading what people tell you.
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@Zarr0ch said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1802588#Comment_1802588
It more games than just this forum. I think what bugs me a bit is that the Dev's have already said they want to add characters in that identify this way. So why more posts about it when they have already said they will do it?
Because this thread is about me trying to have a discussion with the community. It says so right there in the OP.