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@Kaldrax said:
@Orion said:
lolno. It's not up to the devs to make it so players actually think about their actions. Survivors make camping worthwhile. It's up to Survivors to play smart.
Game dev is all about crafting a specific experience. If the players aren't doing the things the devs want, then it's up to the devs to tweak the design to get the players to do the right thing.
Tiny flaw in your argument: camping is not unintended design. Camping was always presented as an option for Killers due to hook vultures, and it should remain that way until if and when hook vultures go away.
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They were forcing Killers to stay near the hook by miming vultures.
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@perotx said:
I think it should be made that if you're within three meters to the survivor, their dying meter doesn't deplete, unless they're the last survivor, in which case they're sacrificed immediately. If you're outside of that range but still within ten meters the dying meter depletes as normal, but get slower the longer you're in that range, and the speed doesn't "refresh" if you walk out of the range and go back in.Already tried and abused by Survivors, much to nobody's surprise.
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@Yamaoka said:
Show me one single video of a DBD hacker who plays on XBOX One or PS4.Are you seriously asking for hacks?
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lolno. It's not up to the devs to make it so players actually think about their actions. Survivors make camping worthwhile. It's up to Survivors to play smart.
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@Yamaoka said:
No such thing as hacks on XBOX One. The killer probably let him wiggle out and lied to you.Consoles can be hacked just as much as PC. They are, after all, just downgraded PCs.
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@Fenrir said:
You cant tell who i main just because i use his pictureTell me about it.
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It's not an exploit, it's one interaction overriding the other.
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@Kaldrax said:
One thing I've noticed in these conversations is that even people who defend camping agree that it's frustrating and annoying. Devs, do you want your game to be annoying and frustrating, or would you rather have it be fun and scary?Almost everyone wants the game to be fun, but most Survivors keep making camping worthwhile.
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It's either a bug, exploit, or hack. You should report it.
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@Gemasuda said:
Very one sided argument. So if a person is camped and tunneled off hook, killer ensuring they get no blood points or get to enjoy the game they should give him the courtesy of a third hook. Good luck with that mentalityIt's not up to your opponent to make your game "fun".
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I like it. It should be for both the Killer and Survivor, though. Sometimes I wonder where it is while playing Killer as well...
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@powerbats said:
@NoShinyPony said:
We really need a mechanic to help with this issue.@Lagoni said:
@Captain_Spaulding said:
I've got two Meg swf sitting in the game not doing ANYTHING for the past 20 mins+ just urban evasioning around the map. I've had 3 gens up for all of this. They won't touch them or anything. Is this bannable because holy ######### this is irritating. I'm not gonna dc and give them what they want because that's not even close to how this game should be. I want to report them but have no idea if that even does anything in this game.>
I don't think there's a lot of people being opposed to some kind of counter mechanic to this issue. for example, if no gens has been done, and no chases has been initiated for 5 minutes, the auras of survivors are revealed.
Yes, something along these lines.
The issue with that is that a killer can just go someplace with clear los or to where they're terror radius covers an area and wait. Then the 5 minutes come up and whammo free aura reading and in the op's case one person is obviously waiting for the other person to do something.
If it's a high mobility killer and now with the new Surveillance it's suicide to touch anything which again some killers wanted this and look what they got. The law of unintended consequences has bitten them in the rear again the same as the healing and SC nerfs/Exhaustion nerfs did.
Now granted the exhaustion and healing changes needed to happen but making them so extreme beyond what most killers wanted made things worse.
One way to do it instead of an overall aura reading make it a personal aura reading reveal where they need to actually be doing something interactive.
They could be doing totems, looking through chests, working on gens at least get 5% done or so, may'be sabo a hook at least 5% without a toolbox or 15% with one.
IF they use say the mighty Pebble and the killer actually goes for it ie into their terror radius and to where the Pebble is it counts.
If the Killer is doing nothing for five full minutes and the Survivors have not yet escaped, that's on the Survivors.
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@Arsoul said:
CandyManSweets to the sweet.
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@NurseVSWeepingAngels said:
No I’m sharing my opinion which is clearly the same as some others as well. That’s what creating a thread for a discussion does. To share your thoughts and see others thoughts. Don’t put down my opinion simply because you don’t agree. I want a discussion about this and pointing out the flaws in it.I'm not putting down your opinion, I'm saying you don't speak for other people, especially those whose opinions you've never even asked.
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@KissyKissy said:
@Orion said:
@Arroz said:
@micsan said:
@ThatOneGuy said:
why do u camp and then laugh at ppl when they get toxic towards you. That in itself is being more toxic than the ones messaging you because u instigated all of it. Something needs to be done about camping it’s a no skill cheap tactic for killers who don’t know how to actually win chases or kill anyonePlenty of counters to camping, the best one is to ignore the survivor being camped and do gens and escape.
The other 3 people had fun repairing gens and escaping and getting them bloodpoints but what about the guy who die
? This is the problem.Losing isn't supposed to be fun. That's why it's different from winning.
I disagree. Even when I lose, I have fun. This applies to pretty much every game I play.
You disagree with what, exactly? I didn't say you can't have fun while losing, but it's not supposed to be fun. If winning and losing produced the same results, what would be the point?
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@NurseVSWeepingAngels said:
I mean new players are less likely to be on the forums soSo you still only speak for yourself. Unless you're psychic or have done an extensive survey, you don't know what bothers new players.
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@Arroz said:
@micsan said:
@ThatOneGuy said:
why do u camp and then laugh at ppl when they get toxic towards you. That in itself is being more toxic than the ones messaging you because u instigated all of it. Something needs to be done about camping it’s a no skill cheap tactic for killers who don’t know how to actually win chases or kill anyonePlenty of counters to camping, the best one is to ignore the survivor being camped and do gens and escape.
The other 3 people had fun repairing gens and escaping and getting them bloodpoints but what about the guy who die
? This is the problem.Losing isn't supposed to be fun. That's why it's different from winning.
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@NurseVSWeepingAngels said:
I guess you got me there. But, I also make a game out of it to learn all four perks before the match is over and I like the satisfaction of learning right after I die or survive. There have been times where I thought “the killer must have (so and so) because of (this)” and sometimes it seemed obvious and sometimes it ended that they didn’t have the perk and they were just good at guessing survivor movements and predicted what they do. If I do happen to die before the match is over, I like to see if I was correct without having to wait for the match to end AND THEN WAIT another 10 minutes for a lobby to load because lobby times are ridiculous right now (on PS4 anyway). But I’m not just speaking for myself personally. I’m speaking for the new players that shouldn’t have to wait for a whole match to be over to learn what they died to.If you want to know, you'll have to wait. It's a trade-off.
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@NurseVSWeepingAngels said:
Here’s the thing though.. does this sniping really happen every single game? No. So to me, was it worth changing something that stops what happens once every (who knows how many games) to now affect every single survivor every single game? That makes no sense to me at all. They have now created an issue to every match vs one that happened rarely. And it’s a very one sided thing. As someone who plays killer a lot, I realize I can’t win every single match. Who cares if I get the rare swf perk snipe vs all the other 3k-4K games I get. This hurts all solo players legitimately playing solo and all new players trying to learn the game. Im sorry but this was a poor fix and should have been done when they can discern solo vs swf parties.Are you the first one to die every single game? No. So, by your own logic, this is fine.
In more common logic, however, the frequency of a problem doesn't make it any less impactful. You can wait until the trial ends if you really wanna know the Killer's loadout - if you haven't figured it out by then, that is... -
@LegitAdventurer said:
I really don't use items at all. And i should not have bad ping. I have good internet.That's not how ping works. Ping arises from the physical distance between the server and the people connected to it. Information can only travel so quickly - that's just how the universe works.
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@Poweas said:
@Arroz said:
@Master said:
@Poweas said:
Honestly, camping isn't all that bad. Tunnelling is the problem. And the logic some people on this forum have said baffles me. One time someone said to me when a killer breaks a gen and you go back on it that's 'tunnelling a gen'. The equivalent to tunnelling is teabagging. Looping and camping are part of the gameJust like tunneling is part of the game.
Face it, its simply the time efficient solution to focus down on one survivor.Tbagging has no gameplay impact btw, its just toxic
Decisive strike, adrenaline, insta heals are part of the game. Face it.
Oof that one was a good one. Don't forget Self care. Even though it's weak af, killers still think it needs a desperate nerf.
It's so weak, it's only the most used perk on either side, and has been since the game's release.
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@powerbats said:
If you can only get kills by camping then the issue is you.What if you camp and kill everyone?
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@Tornato33 said:
@AlwaysInAGoodShape said:
I would like to know where the "Cannot report survivors for" list is, cause this is all things to report killers, but from what I've seen, the devs are HEAVILY killer sided, and let almost any reports against survivor through. So much that 3 of my favorite streamers got banned just shy of 2 days after this was implemented, and they only play survivor because killer is too easy for them. (Obviously they got banned on PC so they went on console, and the killers were just worse than on PC.) Which literally kills their stream, youtube channel and force them to find something else to play. Seriously sad.
Only the first three things and the last one are things that only Killers can do. The fourth and sixth can go either way, and everything else is things that only Survivors do. In other words, it's 50/50.
It is quite sad that you're here defending people who were banned for good reason. -
@Zanely89 said:
Honestly, that list is not completed and you based your opinion on that list, a wiki list...
I just couldn't get behind some of the things people said here, don't speak of culture that you do not understand and spread it like a fact.What I said of Chinese culture is what the Chinese people say of Chinese culture. See, for example, parents rioting about anti-cheat measures during school exams, who are quoted as saying that "there's no fairness if they (students) can't cheat". If I'm spreading misinformation, it's only because they misinformed me in the first place.
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@NurseVSWeepingAngels said:
How can they spoil it though if they’re playing solo?Friend requests, profile comments, direct messages on console...
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@NurseVSWeepingAngels said:
I wish there was a way to implement that the solo players can see it while people who have others in the party still in the game will have to wait... maybe when dedicated servers come they can do this?They could, but they won't. Solo players can still get salty and spoil the Killer's loadout with SWF just to spite the Killer. This is one of those problems that can't be fixed because it has to do with the ######### nature of some of the players in this game.
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If the item you found isn't worth taking, you'll have to swap anyway. At least this way, you always know what you're picking up.
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She's really not. The problem is that she requires completely different tactics compared to the other Killers, so people just aren't used to doing what is necessary to counter her.
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Face camping was an exploit that was removed long ago; now we just have "camping". What you're suggesting was already tried and abused by Survivors. Lastly, camping is the worst thing a Killer can do, since he's literally doing nothing for the same amount of time that it should take the Survivors to repair all generators and leave.
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Nah, let him stay in F13th. The curse might follow him to DbD.
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@Fnatic47 said:
Right now even Friday the 13th game is not that broke xDIt's dead. Can't show how broken something is if nobody uses it in the first place.
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@Unnamed_Freak said:
@Orion said:
@powerbats said:
@AgentTexes said:
They're laggy because they're 7 thousand miles away from you.I've played against killers in china before and even watched their streams and quite a few have better internet than some people in the US.
No offense, but that's kind of a low bar. The US has what is probably the worst Internet in the developed world.
Buddy, the US Internet is the best compared to brazilian Internet. Brazilian Internet is the true meaning of absolute garbage.
Is Brazil considered a developed country? I must admit I'm a little fuzzy on the exact definition of the term, but with the civil unrest and all the social problems, I didn't think it'd fit.
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@Broosmeister said:
Except that killers already do this before the game starts. They lobbydodge and we can wait another half hour to find a game. This game is just a unsportsmanlike wasteland.Dodging is not the same as DCing. Dodging prevents a trial from starting right away. DCing screws over the 4 other people in the trial while the trial is still going on.
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@Yamaoka said:
The bear trap will still pop if you crawl out unless the pig downs you after the walls within the gate and uses the trap there. And the hatch was closed because one survivor decided to look for chests instead of leaving. He probably waited for me to die so he could use the hatch himself.What an #########.
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If you can die, it's not holding the game hostage. DCing, however, is bannable if you do it enough. In that specific scenario, I'd advise you to make yourself a sandwich and then report the Killer for griefing.
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@Laakeri said:
Worst thing about playing asian or russian killers is that their ping is very stable in lobby. But oh boy when the game starts the ping goes from stable 50 to spiking 50-600.I cant understand how they do that and only thing I can do is to block the ping and leave.
I'm not saying this is the case, but some Killers have said that their ping spikes after the round starts due to their computer having poor specs. The ping in a lobby is not always a good indicator of the ping you'll experience during the actual trial, because the Killer's computer will be under additional strain during the trial.
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@powerbats said:
@Orion said:
@powerbats said:
@Paddy4583 said:
Don’t think that’s what’s they are referring tooYeah I think they're referring to the afkers that hide and seek probably.
They said "having people camped out the game", which, to me, just sounded like Killers camping to take someone out.
Yeah I thought about that also but usually Red doesn't complain about that type.
He rarely uses punctuation, so I can't really tell what he's saying half the time.
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@powerbats said:
@Paddy4583 said:
Don’t think that’s what’s they are referring tooYeah I think they're referring to the afkers that hide and seek probably.
They said "having people camped out the game", which, to me, just sounded like Killers camping to take someone out.
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Camping is not bannable, just FYI.
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@yeet said:
it's part of their culture, chinese people see using any way to get an advantage as fine
it's also the reason why they like pay 2 win mechanics^This. This isn't universal, obviously, but it's due to the emphasis on results (winning games, passing exams, etc.) over everything else (playing fair, learning, etc.).
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@Might_Oakk said:
They need to make it free on console. No reason not to with the current monetization scheme.Yeah, ######### PC.
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I sure hope so. It's just plain common sense that exploits get you banned; you don't need to be taught not to steal either, do you?
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@Mochan said:
I see, so it is also a solo player problem.This game is really [BAD WORD], you know that? Developers should take this as a lesson never to design a game around the idea of secrecy. Annoying.
I've been a fairly non-toxic Survivor main but I think that ends today. I have realized that this community is by nature toxic, and it's no use trying to be a nice guy. Exploits like that never even occurred to me!
I am going to join the hordes of toxic players in this game spreading lies and propaganda to show how underpowered survivors are compared to OP killers, and campaign for killer nerfs every inch of hte way, and won't stop until survivors get the buffs they deserve.
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Sure, go be part of the problem because you can't get things done your way. 10/10 logic right there.
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@powerbats said:
@Orion said:
@powerbats said:
@AgentTexes said:
They're laggy because they're 7 thousand miles away from you.I've played against killers in china before and even watched their streams and quite a few have better internet than some people in the US.
No offense, but that's kind of a low bar. The US has what is probably the worst Internet in the developed world.
While true there's some places with really good internet and I'm close to Silicon valley but if you really want good internet Nasa's Ames research center is the place to be lol.
@yeet said:
@Orion said:
@powerbats said:
@AgentTexes said:
They're laggy because they're 7 thousand miles away from you.I've played against killers in china before and even watched their streams and quite a few have better internet than some people in the US.
No offense, but that's kind of a low bar. The US has what is probably the worst Internet in the developed world.
as an Australian i can tell you that that statement is incorrect
That's why I said "probably".
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@powerbats said:
@AgentTexes said:
They're laggy because they're 7 thousand miles away from you.I've played against killers in china before and even watched their streams and quite a few have better internet than some people in the US.
No offense, but that's kind of a low bar. The US has what is probably the worst Internet in the developed world.
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Where's that from?
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@MhhBurgers said:
Monstrous shrine should affect every hook, there done.A useless effect, even if omnipresent, is still useless.
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@ForeheadSurviors said:
This thread is pretty much salty killer who lost the game and didn’t want to chase the survivors out so he sat in a corner..@Marvel said:
"Just push them out maybe?"
I'd love to push them out but they were hiding After a few minutes I left both exit gates to them but they still refused to leave. So I watched a twitch stream and checked in every now and then until they left.Yes, definitely didn't want to chase them out.