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@Speeddemonsaif said:
I almost forgot The Twins are also French so that makes the lobby music sounding french ever more fitting.
It’s probably more because of the Twins, lobby music almost always fits the killer of the chapter iirc.
but i definitely like this one, the others weren’t bad either though
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@DBD78 said:
Are you allowed to have an honest opinion about it, it you don't want such a character? Just asking.
Everybody can have their opinion.
but we will still get ‚such a character‘, which is btw just a normal character like anyone that’s already in. Actually there already is such a character.
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@Mew said:
there isnt anything wrong with it- Not_queen stated that they just dont want to implement a token LGBT character for the sole purpose of diversity, which is good to hear.
honestly though, my only problem with this is that they stated they were gonna do it, instead of just... doing it. Because now people are gonna complain about pandering/it not being enough no matter how they go about it.
If they hadn’t made the statement, people cry like crazy because they said they wouldn’t add anything about sexual orientation of the chars (those people are also okay with there being heterosexual relationships with implied sexuality though)
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@Customapple0 said:
Aren’t most, if not all current survivors in game sexually ambiguous?
the sexual orientation has never been stated for any char. There are just some mentions of heterosexual relationships in several backstories. That obviously doesn’t mean they must be hetero. But there is a notable absence of anything non-straight.
the devs pretty much just said they won’t exclude LGBT+ topics anymore..
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@Nazia said:
Is there a dev or community manager who will acknowledge the bugs?
Leatherface's movement is massively slowed down when you first use his saw.
Legion's frenzy is bugged and he moves at 115% movement speed during frenzy.
And Billy's saw randomly overheats.
I know this has been reported, I know this has been told to the devs but the usual white knights appear and try shut down anyone who brings up actual problems with the game.
You are calling me a White Knight because I asked if they were reported because I didn’t know they exist?
please read the comments again, all that was said was that some people didn’t know about those bugs and that bugs (generally) should be correctly reported.
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@ifeelthelags said:
I would just bring in some pride cosmetics or a pride event. Just making a character to „have“ LGBTQ in The game is Not the way in my eyes (and im gay as well)
somthing broken my letter size
I wouldn’t be against cosmetics as well.
It they are not just making a character just LGBTQ, they want to create characters and they will not restrict themselves for them to not being LGBT. I think that’s a difference.
that’s why we don’t have a Char even month after that dev statement I think: they don’t just slap the tag onto any char. They will just include it once they created the char the way they wanted them to be anyway.
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@rats00 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1810436#Comment_1810436
I feel like part of the problem is you see my lack of specifics in quantity as a statement of mass accusation. That wasn't my intention in fact I tried to avoid using those words as much as I could. I do of course use them, and ultimately hoped that not using them would communicate a lack of attempt to guess haphazardly rather than a mass judgement. Fun fact I have a great deal of trouble expressing myself to people, typing doesn't make it better.
I'm not saying there are no legitimate homophobes, in fact I am saying the exact opposite. There are, and they act horribly, and it causes people to unfairly judge and over react to other people who aren't the same.
Everything after your second point in your first post has nothing to do with what I am talking about. I'm saying to listen to what they are saying and recognize what they are actually saying not what you feel like they are saying. Someone can be afraid of something without evidence. They are called irrational fears, and it's not just about balloons. Irrational fears aren't fixed by mockery, there fixed through patience and compassion. Which is what my post is advocating.
I'm not saying any of the arguments are correct, I am saying they speak to the worries and concerns they may feel to pressured and threatened to share, so they transfer it to another argument because they know revealing being vulnerable rarely amounts to anything but mockery. Simply recognizing that a lot of men feel isolated and alone and it's not all their fault can throw people into such a shitstorm of anger. Which more often than not is the problem. There are people who insist they stand for equality to shield themselves from acting like total monsters, say horrible things, and advocate terrible behaviour if not perpetuate it. And rarely will anyone stand up to them or call them out for being a ######### person. Instead people get ridiculed for acknowledging them, because they acknowledged being harassed.
Which is why were in this place... As well, you have to believe people are ultimately better. If you don't you are going to approach every situation with the wrong mentality. I mean if you don't, what is even the ######### point.
I'm going to bed... The long and short of this is it was never my intention to accuse you or make you feel accused. I feel like a lot of what I said didn't come through so I tried to elaborate more.
I didn’t feel personally accused so don’t worry about that. I didn’t want to accuse you either, just wanted to clarify that since I have been a pretty active part in this discussion for the Pro side. I also tried to listen to what the individual people against inclusion are saying but it almost always boils down to what I wrote, or they leave the discussion altogether. If it’s really irrational then we can’t really discuss this on the internet, there is no argumentation to make them less irrational. In the end, the inclusion should show them that the fears they were having didn’t have any ground.
And expressing and understanding is a difficult thing especially in a public forum where also language barrier plays a big part (I am not a native English speaker as you can tell by the way I am writing).
have a Good Night, and again I didn’t take anything as personal accusation and didn’t want to attack you, although I said you were generalizing I didn’t think you were doing it in bad faith and don’t think anyone took it like that (or so I hope)
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The devs said they are monitoring the effects of the 10 seconds and all and if they notice it’s not enough they will try to adjust it.
keep in mind that you are not supposed to get a free locker grab, but even if the survivor gets out you should have gotten near enough to hit or at least chase them.
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So, make a bug report I guess, seemed definitely weird.
maybe it only affects healing survivors and you can at least see one of them (just speculation on my part)
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They may just be inside lockers or behind gens?
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Wait.. you didn’t get bullshit hits on pallets before?
i didn’t notice a big difference, but I didn’t play that much survivor games since it’s activated and it should only be affecting games with killers that have high latency..
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@rats00 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1810399#Comment_1810399
And I am saying by the content of your posts you do not seem to understand my statement. If you did, you'd understand why what you're saying doesn't make any sense. I'd be happy to talk about anything to help clarify it if you'd like.
I already said, I took SOME of your points and tried to answer those. Eg ‚The For side is unfairly pushing their anger at legitimate homophobes onto to people who are frustrated because...‘
regardless what comes after this, you are saying that the For side unfairly pushes anger towards non-homophobes because of the homophobes. My answer to that -as I am one of the For side- was that I never pushed any anger towards anyone.
you may say i took it out of context - and I admitted that already, I only answered some of your points- but the sentence you formulated there definitely was a generalization of the For side that I wanted to distance myself from. Nothing more. I also never tried to invalidate your complete post and mostly I agree with it..
[Your first point was also ‚the reality is that the majority of the people arguing have no issue with an LGBT character.‘ which is just an assumption from your side that’s not necesserily true]
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@Dustin said:
Answer this. How do you represent LGBQT people in this game? How do you represent it in a game with no character interactions past gameplay mechanics, no real voice acting past grunts and screams, no personality aside from maybe the killers? There's no way to represent it aside from forcing it in a players face to the point where it seems like a giant sign that says "Hey Look! I'm gay!"?
If survivors for example had proper voice acting, interactions with other survivors, proper personalities that weren't as flat as cardboard and a bit more flair to their design I wouldn't oppose it. However as far as interactions with characters go it's literally just survivors heal each other, killers hit survivors and put them on hooks. That leaves little room for other subtle nods unless you give a cosmetic a flavor text. Maybe a survivor with a shirt that has a bracelet that he got by attending a gay pride parade or something. How do you fit it in the game aside from maybe a tome?
And again - I'm a gay guy and I don't want gender politics or any other politics in my game. I play video games to escape that ######### because it gets annoying. Yes the world sucks and there is poor representation on all these topics everywhere. However I'd like to come home and just forget about this nonsense for a day especially with the past 4 years.
If BHVR does it right then okay I have no problem but I don't see a proper solution and the community is constantly pressuring them in such a stupid manner to ADD REPRESENTATION like it's the end of the world if they don't. Let BHVR design characters at their own pace and if it happens it happens quit trying to force it. My whole issue with it. The community wants a MANDATORY GAY CHARACTER. They're so vocal about it they're going to make BHVR just haphazardly make one because it was in demand.
I can already see the headlines by game journalist - Game developer finally adds LGBQT character by popular demand by the community. It shouldn't even be that big of a deal but the community is so vocal about it a journalist would eat that right up. This game while it would draw in positive attention would also draw in the trolls.
TL;DR - If done right I do not oppose however I see very little openings to properly add such a character - The communities demands are also putting too much pressure on BHVR. They are aware of what the community wants - Please just let them work on this with a bit more silence.
tl;dr tl;dr - My main issue is what the community deems as inclusion - What does this mean and why does it matter? Right now it's pretty well open to interpretation on what the community wants on this subject. What actually is representation to those of you who support it?
And again - Not exactly against it I just don't see a right way to do this.
how do you represent LGBQT people in this game?
just in the lore. That is all that has been asked for. It was asked for because the devs stated they wanted to leave sexual orientation and identity complexity open for all character - but they actually did add heterosexual relationships for several chars. So now they revised their previous statement and they said -also because their focus on lore got way bigger- that they want to be inclusive. and they Said they won’t add a token LGBT char whose only trait would be that.
that’s all, actually the vast majority is happy with this. It doesn’t affect gameplay at all, straight was already included and now there is no explicit exclusion anymore.
there is nothing forced here, there is no more politics involved in this game than before (we already have Yuis feminism and kind of Zarinas racism, adding a line that a char was in a same sex relationship is not more political than that)
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@rats00 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1810361#Comment_1810361
I'm sorry, but it appears you don't understand what I said. Please try to read what I said with a clear mind, empty of assumptions.
I am sorry, I did not try to answer everything you said in my post.
i just wanted to clarify some things that you said about both sides, such as the For side pushing their anger towards people that are not actually homophobes. You made some generalizations for both sides..
maybe I should have quoted the points from you that I answered directly but I thought that was clear enough. It was definitely not written with anger towards you or the ‚against‘ side and in the end I just -rationally- listed the most common arguments against inclusion and why they are holding no ground (but that one was obviously not directly for your post)
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@MommyDeRose said:
Just don’t make him/her being gay or whatever, their whole personality. That’s what makes characters suck in every book/movie/game ever created that does just that with an LGTB character. Do it like J.K Rowling did dumbeldore, it was part of his character and it made him even better because he was more dynamic but it wasn’t literally who he was completely.
They said they don’t want to do a 1-dimensional character whose only trait is being LGBT.
and there is already one char in the roster that was created with being LGBT in mind, but they haven’t revealed who it is.
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@rats00 said:
I wrote a big long thing. No one would have read it. Here are the spark notes, I mean this calmly.
-The reality is that the majority of the people arguing have no issue with an LGBT character.
-The issue lies with past harassment and unfair assumptions.
-The For side is unfairly pushing their anger at legitimate homophobes onto to people who are frustrated because...
-The Against side isn't actually against it but rather feel constantly attacked and harassed by people who outwardly identify with your arguments. They are unfairly projecting those feeling onto the very concept, when it's the ignorant sh1theads who hurt us that should be held accountable but...
-Because the For side rarely acknowledges or even advocates extremely pre-emptively hostile people. Whether you care or not a lot of people get pissed when you make blanket "the white men does this" comments. A lot of these people have to tolerate being treated like crap or being labeled as part of a hate group because of their appearance, even when outward behavior indicates the opposite. As much as you don't care or will ignore it happens, it happens, and it's really not uncommon. For example, how many people took that to mean "White men are oppressed" or "white men have it tougher". It doesn't by the by. It means belittling peoples problems and making gross assumptions about them is wrong, stop it.
-The problem then self perpetuates as both people are arguing at someone who isn't even there. I honestly want to believe that no one here wants to push people out, but rather would be fine with more. The problem is the infrequency of when those that do argue to push them out show up many of you stay silent, and it feels like passive approval. I mean this for both sides of the argument.
-People project their feelings of anger and resentment from real abusers onto people who have nothing to do with it, which makes those people more willing to listen to terrible ideas they might not have before.
The reality is we all need to stop. Cool down, and honestly really think of the subject and discuss with clear minds where the anger comes from.
-We won't though.
Just wanted to clarify because I see myself as one of the ‚For‘ Side:
- while the majority of the ‚Against’ side might not be homophobes, there are still enough homophobes out there and clearly also in this DbD community (I know this because I have seen the Twitter comments, but also on the forums, the mods do a good job of deleting banning those though)
- I don’t push my anger towards anyone and almost always try to argue rational (except for some rare instances where I for example called someone snowflake for not wanting LGBT representation; that wasn’t out of anger but it was meant to be funny/ironic)
- most people against inclusion may argue it’s because they don’t want it because of pandering, devs were forced to, devs may implement them poorly/tokenized, sexuality doesn’t have a place in a horror game but really, those are all empty arguments
- we know they devs want to be inclusive and the recent Q&A shows they care about good representation
- pandering is not very well defined at all and is only described as problematic when it revolves around LGBT
- The horror genre especially the movies have always involved sexuality; DbD has a growing lore/backstory that already includes heterosexual relations; therefore LGBT+ clearly has a place here (only in the lore)
- there are no arguments against inclusion left..
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@Nazia said:
Everyone knows, it's been reported everywhere. If the devs somehow don't know about the bugs then they're not paying attention to the community and clearly not testing updates before launching them.
Thanks for calling me a nobody.. very nice.
i just looked in the bug report section. On the first 5 or so pages there is one bug about Hillbilly’s overheating.
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For Legion they at least tried to fix some bugs that were based on wrong FOV or something.
for the other bugs, were they known? I haven’t heard anything about the chainsaw bros. And the ones I played against today didn’t seem to have any issues at all.
if you are experiencing bugs, make sure to report them if they are not already reported, with enough info of course
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Clown and Adam got also challenges in the previous levels though.. at least their perks.
we also have some charms related to both of them in the rift with some descriptions.
maybe that’s their new way for adding ‚filler charms‘ but with some meaning.
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@DBD78 said:
Good news for survivors having an anti tunneling/camping bot killer to go against. You just choose difficulty first then team up with others who choosed the same mode. Then entity summons random killer and game is on.
Same for killers tired of t-bagging and clicking SWFs they just choose how good the team of bot survivors will be and then play without having to wait in lobby.
Then close chat and this game is forever without toxicity.
I appreciate it very much that you called out both sides!
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Adding bots would just be pandering at this point though.
why can’t we leave it how it is now, the devs stated before they didn’t want to add bots in the main game and you are pressuring/forcing them to add them.
/s
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@Unifall said:
I don't think preference matters in a horror game. Just play the game bro.
oh. Sorry we didn’t know you don’t care about it.
we should call the devs and tell them they have to stop it!
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Oh no. Now that you asked for him he can’t be added or it will be bad pandering. /s
you mentioned only the second part of the series, why not the first? (And we will ignore the third movie, that’s alright)
Hw doesn’t have a real power, sure. But that’s pretty much also the case for Ghostface and to some degree Michael Myers. They could come up with something, I am sure.
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Oh no. Now that you asked for it, they shouldn’t do or it will be bad bad pandering. /s
yeah I guess it will happen some time in the future, but there are way more ethnicities not present and they shouldnt restrict themselves and add every possible ethnicity going down a list.
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@blue4zion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1807477#Comment_1807477
I'm talking about more than just this game, and the devs are saying it because it was pushed by various people in the community but anyways.
You don't see the significance because you're not an ass who would use that as a reason why I said it.
I just, don't get why representing the LGBT is so important nowadays. I don't consider myself a part of it as it seems unnecessary.
But my response is pretty much, why does it matter?
I don't see the significance. Just be who you are, and let others have opinions.
Representing LGBT the same way straight is represented is important to let LGBT people feel welcomed and normal. People of that community are often treated differently in their life and experience violence and much worse.
representing them in the media helps against hate, fear and discrimination. That’s why it’s also important to have not only stereotyped representation but diversified. And having those in multiple media including some horror video games just helps in the diversification.
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@Greatamygdala said:
They've been changing chase music? Wasn't even aware seems like I keep hearing the same thing for the past two years although there was one chase music that I heard once but never came back again lmao
Newer killers all got chase music with Demogorgon being the first I think.
some older also got chase music added when they got reworked, like Doc and Hillbilly.
i expected them to also add chase music for Bubba, he just got reworked and they even got a new cosmetic for him. But no chase music. Probably licensing issues, because chase music isn’t sold separately the license holders wouldn’t gain anything from this...
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@druggedpug69 said:
I think instead of making a brand new character that's LGBT, they should reveal that a character already is in one of the archive lore things. This way, them being LGBT isn't their entire personality.
They actually confirmed there is such a character already created with being LGBT in mind.
i also expected them to reveal this in a tome story..
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Bring BT to ensure a safe unhook.
Dead hard to make it easier to get to the hook even when you are injured.
If possible play in SWF so no one tries to unhook before you can.
the thing is, you can’t really control if the killer hooks Someone during EGC. Also SWF could help here
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@behave_pt said:
First it wasnt pandering then I just disproved it and now we're on "well whats the problem with it?"
Then you generalize my point, They have NEVER done this with a character. Im ok with proof but they have never disclosed in a public message any major lore involved with a character until now when it just so happens debates like the ones we are having now are going on HMMMMM.... odd isnt it. Also yes its true its still up to the devs to make the decision but that doesnt mean it isnt pandering.
I think thats about it for the discussion since it went from me having to prove that its pandering to now you two being like so what?
My original post anyways was for the op in the way they worded their feelings I found annoying, you two probably do not share the exact same interests in this matter so besides the pandering and assumptions debates there is really nothing left to say. I just cant wait to see how this unfolds because although you two are ok with whatever comes of this you cant speak for everyone else apart of the lgbt and even outside of it.
I don’t See it as pandering. But I clearly have different definition for pandering than you. But by your definition, everything that was asked for by the community and then got added just got added because of pandering. I don’t see it like that. You do. I just accepted you definition for this argumentation. But you only have a problem with it when it’s LGBT it seems.
and we did never say we were okay with however it will go. And of course there will be LGBT people that won’t be okay with it, they are all different individuals after all. Still no reason for exclusion.
also the debates started mostly after their announcement.
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Wraith is one of the next killers to get a (small) rework/tweak.
they said something along the lines of ‚true invisibility‘ as a teaser. Maybe that will get rid of the Wraiths weakness towards flashlights
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@AggressiveFTW said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1807939#Comment_1807939
Yes, how come Unbreakable don't have its own score event for picking yourself up?
plus, picking someone up from dying state should also reward a score. Now there are people that actually wait because they want the unhook points instead of the few healing points they would get otherwise.
(should also grant a WGLF stack)
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@behave_pt said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1807924#Comment_1807924
Its not of their own accord its based on community feedback as well this is pandering however you want to twist it.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1807915#Comment_1807915
ok... Even though the tweet and post by the mod both incorporate the dbd playerbase in the decision to be more inclusive.
I keep saying it doesn't matter that doesn't mean it cant happen I just do not care for the way it is happening. People are obviously complaining on here and twitter about "inclusion". The devs had to put out a public statement regarding the current roaster and the UNINTENTIONAL exclusion of character who is officially lgbt. What the hell when have they ever had to issue a statement regarding saying they will incorporate a trait into a character of their creation. We dont even get to know these things up until release. It goes to show that the community of people have definitely gotten to the devs because they dont have to let us know and they never have.
Like I said before if it happens fine I just dont want it to happen this way like this is for some greater good.
The whole game exists just because there is a community that want to play it. Every added license panders to those fans. How is it problematic when it is regarding LGBT?
and they still decided on their own that they want to add LGBT. The community asks for many many different things but in the end the devs only add what they actually want to add and nothing more.
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You mean something like how they added a scoring event for healing yourself up when in dying state?
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@behave_pt said:
Also the tweet that you showed further proves that they are pandering though and proves my other point about sexuality being excluded from lore so you wouldnt know about their sexual past. If they want to please people fine but they have to start actively making multiple characters from the lgbtq+ because its called the lgbtq+ for a reason. There is also different levels to it. Will it be subtle? obvious? how will they portray trans men and women? Will anything they do please people?
Okay I haven’t seen this post until now.
If you really get the feeling that this post means they only do it because of pandering then there is no ground for argumentation. You only see what you want to see, even if the opposite was directly stated.
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@behave_pt said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1807864#Comment_1807864
They have not restricted themselves they were just doing normal things. If Felix was gay he wouldnt be expecting a child from his pregnant wife, maybe expecting a child from a surrogate but then where is the conflict, maybe with his husband or maybe even the surrogate wants to keep the baby idk I just have to think more outside the box now. I've already mentioned that the best and easiest background story for an lgbt character is not being accepted by family or/and society. Though I brought up another thing which is character design and perks. They would have to think about that first then tac on same sex relationships or identify as trans. Its their characters I guess they can do whatever they want but its no longer whatever THEY want. Again which is pandering and still I dont know to what extent but this has been happening to much in media.
It is what they want. They could have decided to not include further same sex relations in the future and thus no LGBT+ whatsoever or another way to deal with it.
they said they want it. There is no reason to assume otherwise.
my assumption is, they would have decided to include LGBT+ and same sex relationships either way, because they already have well established characters and the lore gets more and more detailed. It does not make sense to exclude any relationship mentions at this point.
and yes they have restricted themselves. Not for Felix. Felix was always created with wife and child and father in mind. But for other characters they had to be careful not to mention any same sex relations. And they have confirmed that there has been at least one character created with being LGBT+ in mind, but they just didn’t add it in the in-game lore. And that char was created before the requests started.
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@DudelPumaAce said:
yah that dudes are right ! we need a relationship hag + yui i mean what is the problem ? or they have a problem swamp-monster with a lGbTq pEoPlE, i thing they havent other problem, that is why they everytime ask for it...
hag + yui !
oni + jake !
Twins (charlotte+Victor) + David king + Felix + Kate, then i mean because we need an open relationship !
defuq what is wrong with them ? come down, when you need it downloed a dating app xD, you are false in dbd !
It’s been mentioned that relationships etc will only be part of the backstories and never between the chars.
but even then, Wraith and Nurse have been heavily hinted to be a couple. But I guess since this is man and woman there is no problem with it?
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See the tweet that I posted, they have restricted themselves to not include any sexuality or gender identity etc.
yes, integral. For legion the sexuality is kind of integral for their lore and their whole being. Nurse only snapped because her loved one died. Felix whole lore with expecting a child and having lost his father etc. It’s not only about sexuality after all but love, relationships, friendships, identity, struggles life (coming out, being politically persecuted). Only because it’s integral doesn’t mean it has to be the one and only trait.
@behave_pt somehow the quote didn’t work
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@behave_pt said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1807818#Comment_1807818
My bad I should have worded that differently. I guess you also have to take into account the times certain characters were born in. This alone would drastically decrease any chance of a non heterosocial relationship. Like realistically if they weren't born this century it would make sense for them to be heterosexual for the most part. I do understand what you mean by "Frank and Julie shoved us their sexuality down our throats in their tome". Like I said before it doesnt matter to me and I never asked for it. So when people complain to the point where the Devs will infect do as they say not when it comes to game health or balance but sex I just dont get it.
The thing is it will not affect game health or balance in the slightest. The people that write the lore would write it either way, but now they are not restricted to explicitly exclude anything LGBT+. It actually makes this easier imo.
almost all survivors and many killers are from modern ages, plus only because people in the past had to hide their identity or relationship doesn’t mean they didn’t exist. This can be integral parts for many people and totally worth noting in the lore.
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@behave_pt said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1807745#Comment_1807745
Its ok if it has already been stated to add a LGBT character. but my point is that doesnt matter and it shouldnt. I also gave an example of how they could incorporate someone's sexual orientation into their backstory the problem is their is little to nothing that suggests the sexual orientation of previous characters. Though now based on what you said they are actively looking for some way to incorporate a characters sexuality into it.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1807751#Comment_1807751
I was hoping they dont make a mascot but one things for sure they wont please every lgbt member I've seen this with cyberpunk you cant please everybody not even the people you set out to please. Also from what I read "want to give people the representation they ask for" im sorry is that not pandering? like im only trying to make sense of this pc "inclusive" phenomena to the best of my ability
Just for context the original tweet where BHVR devs stated that LGBT+ will be included in the future
https://twitter.com/deadbybhvr/status/1271526607828779009?s=21 -
@behave_pt said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1807745#Comment_1807745
Its ok if it has already been stated to add a LGBT character. but my point is that doesnt matter and it shouldnt. I also gave an example of how they could incorporate someone's sexual orientation into their backstory the problem is their is little to nothing that suggests the sexual orientation of previous characters. Though now based on what you said they are actively looking for some way to incorporate a characters sexuality into it.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1807751#Comment_1807751
I was hoping they dont make a mascot but one things for sure they wont please every lgbt member I've seen this with cyberpunk you cant please everybody not even the people you set out to please. Also from what I read "want to give people the representation they ask for" im sorry is that not pandering? like im only trying to make sense of this pc "inclusive" phenomena to the best of my ability
We have several confirmed heterosexual relationships with implied sexuality:
Nurse was married to a man she deeply loved
Felix was married to a woman, she was pregnant
David had a girlfriend at some point.
Frank and Julie shoved us their sexuality down our throats in their tome
Ace is described as a womanizer in some cosmetic descriptions.
all of those could of course be bisexual or even gay/lesbian/asexual, but everything mentioned is definitely same sex.
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@behave_pt said:
I dont want it and I honestly cannot stand people like you or even understand for that matter.
Race/ethnicity whatever is not the same as sexual preferences/orientations stop comparing them. There is absolutely no reason to have one because you are not just asking for someone who might be queer to be added to the game, you want a mascot. Im sure its not enough for you if Nea had a fling with another girl once. Race however is a large part of a character and there background. It literally determines what they look like. Sexual preference is not the main focus in designing new characters maybe you could give a new character a tragic backstory on not being accepted because of their sexuality but forcing it as the main trait of said character does not work in terms of cosmetics and perks. Occupation and ethnic background are the two things im sure the devs look at for new survivors. They also want to introduce a diverse cast appearance wise but again sexuality is not a factor in that. Specifically adding a "lgbtq+' character is just pandering to you guys specifically and Bhvr has never made a character with that intent.
you don’t need to understand it though.
we will get a char that is LGBT and it will not be their only trait.
that’s a fact, BHVR WANTS to add such a character. Not to pander but because they realized there is no reason for exclusion at all especially with their growing focus on lore (backstories are getting longer and deeper and tomes also bring additional character backstories)
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@Killing_Time said:
Why does it even matter? Why do we HAVE to know the orientation? What importance does it have?
@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1807714#Comment_1807714
It matters to some people. We didn't have to know the Nurse had a husband, but it's still there on her lore.
Also the orientation doesn’t have to be explicitly stated and shouldn’t for every individual character. Just a mention of a same sex partner would be enough to acknowledge the existence of non-straight people.
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@DontNerf said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1804872#Comment_1804872
I agree but WHY would they be added is the thing, do you want a character thats just gay or just trans? I want actual characters not just ones that have only one trait.
Look at what Rizzo90 has just posted in this thread. It won’t be a character with only one single trait, nobody would want that.
personally, I don’t care which letter gets added first or at all. I just don’t want to see everything LGBT completely excluded just because.
i would be okay if they revealed Kate as having had a relationship with another woman or if they introduced a drag queen that lives in relationship with an asexual woman. I don’t want any quota filled, I don’t want them going down a list adding L, G, B and so on. Just don’t exclude for exclusions sake.
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I was pretty happy to see this code because I planned to get that sweater once I had enough shards (just bought the Twins and Elodie both with shards)
the 25K limit was unnecessery though, should have just been a 24h limit or something..
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@zoozoom6 said:
adding a gay character to a game where the 2 categories a character can be in are killer and survivor? oh i can see it now
if killer lgbt character:
Huffington post: "racist sexist homophobic game portrays lgbt people as evil murderers!!!!!! boycott, cancel now!!!!!"
if survivor lgbt character:
CNN: "racist sexist homophobic game portrays lgbt people as defenseless victims to be killed for amusement!!!! boycott, cancel now!!!!!!!"
also building a character from the ground up where the first and most central idea is that they are gay isnt something i think will ever end well.
We already have chars with confirmed heterosexual relationships, chars of different ethnicities, chars that are involved in politics (Yui is fighting for women rights for example), chars with disabilities/disfigures. And this is all ok both sides and no character is only created with one trait alone.
it’s unreasonable to assume a char that is LGBT would be treated differently by BHVR.
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I think Plunderers is only meant for the initial opening of a chest and Appraisal is only for rummaging an open chest
Don’t know if it was fixed now though, because that did not work as intended before the patch
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Have seen this on Feng as well.
i don’t mind these kind of bugs, they are actually pretty funny and don’t affect gameplay
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1806457#Comment_1806457
I'm not sure. I haven't fully read their lore myself, haven't found the time to do so. I'll check the wiki.
EDIT: They are indeed described as conjoined twins. I've no idea what the devs were thinking, then, but I'll go with my other option: they simply didn't look into the biological implications.
Yeah. Same.
or Victor didn’t have any genitalia in the first place, people didn’t know that conjoined twins were always same sex back then and they just gave Victor for some unknown reason a male name..
but well.. we probably will never know.
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@Questionable BHVR said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1806391#Comment_1806391
If this is occurring on multiple maps, then it is definitely something they need to look into, even if its rare. This should never happen on what appears to be flat ground. I understand weird collision with rocks and hills. But this? Absolutely not.
Yeah it’s really bad, but it’s still very very rare it seems and my experience was in an older version of the game..
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1806412#Comment_1806412
Conjoined means one body. It might have multiple limbs or internal organs, but it is a singular body. Victor can literally detach from Charlotte because he "resides" in her chest cavity. Look up what conjoined twins look like and see if you notice the difference.
I haven’t read the lore but aren’t they described as conjoined and couldn’t separate in the real world?
i thought the Entity granted this ability and gave Victor for this form the missing organs/limbs he needed..