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@freddymybae said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803372#Comment_1803372
ofc its important if it makes them more money and the sjws happy
Damn, the ultimate ‚devs only want moneyz‘ argument.
can’t argue against that.
(because it’s not an argument)
but just for the fun: they will actually loose money. There are MANY people that are homophobic and will stop supporting the game or at least the DLC when an LGBT+ character gets added. It would be safer to just pander to the homophobic consumers.
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@freddymybae said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803356#Comment_1803356
like dlc you cant change thier lore like freddy had a wife they can hardly make a other story for him
No one is asking to change their lore. literally no one. But because it was added, people were asking for LGBT+ to be treated the same. And BHVR acknowledged that and they want to add LGBT+, they are not forced to do so, they even said it is important for them.
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@freddymybae said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803048#Comment_1803048
they weren't forced in to the game
They kind of were forced into the game though. The devs said they don’t want any kind of sexual identification included into the game but did so anyway. That is actually one of the reasons why they will not exclude LGBT+ anymore, because they included straight relationships when they said they won’t.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803316#Comment_1803316
Last I heard (though, to be fair, it was a while ago), most crossdressers are heterosexual men.
Yeah sure, but Queer or + in the wider sense doesn’t exclude heterosexuality as far as I know.
and i thought being straight but still crossdressing or otherwise not being heteronormative would count towards these parts.
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@KSzerker said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1802902#Comment_1802902
Crossdressing is not LGBT...
It could be considered to belong to the ‚Q+‘ part of the LGBTQ+ community though.
but I don’t know exactly, there are also the I and A s that belong to the community and much more, i am not really up to date on that topic.
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OP already changed their mind and said there shouldn’t be a defined order of confirmations but it should be random..
but why are you against bi or trans representation to come first exactly?
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Since Legion also got ugly Christmas sweaters, which were a survivor cosmetic set until that point:
Sheep for Legion (because Wolf in sheep’s clothing)
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Lion for David I guess.
Horse Kate and Cat Nea are also pretty self-explanatory.
but who would have assumed Zarina would get a penguin? That’s pretty random..
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No ETA was given, there is pretty much no way of knowing when it might be enabled/tested again..
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@Pulsar said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803102#Comment_1803102
Pretty sure it was just bad wording on the OP's part.
However, I believe OP is referring to a situation that could arise. An LGBT character instead of a character who is LGBT. One is a character who solely exists to appease part of the community, the other is a character that exists in the same manner that all the other characters do, they just happen to be LGBT.
I'm not sure how likely the former option is, but I could see it happening.
Just according to the recent Q&A stream and how they included straight relationships etc there is no basis to assume there will be a char that only exist for LGBT+ representation though..
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I don’t even think Nurse is that hard to learn.
obviously she has a very high skill ceiling that I didn’t reach and won’t reach because I like to play many different chars. But the skill floor isn’t as high as people say.
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@Kaitsja said:
While representation does matter, I think it's unnecessary in a game like DBD where the focus is on either surviving or killing. The gameplay itself doesn't really leave room for expressions of sexual interest. Sure, it could be added to the lore but I doubt that would be enough for the LGBT community.
The best you'd get with DBD is very shallow representation, which would probably be more offensive to the minorities in question than not being represented at all.
The LGBT community is only asking for inclusion in the lore. And that is mainly because straight relationships are already added. No on wants it to impact the actual gameplay.
also the devs already stated there will be LGBT+ inclusion and it is important to them to create those characters not only with this in mind.
this topic should only be about which kind of representation should be introduced (first)
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I think the Autohaven maps designs are the worst from all the reworked ones. But other than that, the designs in this chapter and generally are on point!
i love what they did to the totems and the hatch!
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Trans is unacceptable? Because you dislike such ‚unappealing‘ appearances?! and you are talking about having respect?
and deeper changes are also unacceptable? So what about Legions tome, which pretty much contradicted the original backstory with their first kill and all.. I guess that was unacceptable?
btw no character has been confirmed to be purely straight either. Or cis. Maybe your main was created with being trans in mind and you just don’t know yet.
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@HorizonToDawn said:
None, none should be added
What's the point of adding something like this to a game where survivors are trying to survive or endlessly get killed?
Why do people always must do something like this into a game, when it doesn't matter, because of the games setting?
There's not even a stable foundation of a lore for this game, and BHVR hasn't followed their own lore more than half the time whenever they change something in their game or add something.
Games like dead by daylight or literally any other games that are similar to this in terms of multiplayer, are there to play and to have fun, not to worry about the sexuality of a character, cause characters in these types of games don't matter, they are just characters you can play as.
And they certainly don't matter in a game where theses survivors are endlessly trying to survive or are endlessly getting killed in many ways.
As for the rest of the thread
"We want to feel connected to a character" is the most single overused bad excuse ever to be thrown around for trying to add something not needed. And it just doesn't makes sense either for this game, because if your trying to connect with a character in this game, your saying as well you are constantly trying to survive or endlessly dying IRL. Which you aren't.
There should be LGBT+ chars added because it shouldn’t matter! There is no need for exclusion especially in a game that already included several heterosexual relationships in the lore. gameplay won’t be affected in any way.
We have many diverse character traits that don’t matter as well, like how Kate is a country singer and Min is a pro gamer. Claudette has some kind of skin condition that you can barely see iirc. All of this doesn’t matter. But why should everything LGBT+ be excluded with the only reason that it doesn’t matter?
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To the OP:
Why not?
we already have several characters with mentioned heterosexual relationships despite the devs stating in the beginning they don’t want to confirm anything. They have contradicted themselves and revised their statement. Rewriting the lore for those characters is not an option. Also they are writing more and more lore for every character.
why should everything LGBTQ+ be excluded? It’s not only about sexuality, it’s about individuality, relationships, friendships, struggles in life (like a coming out) etc. It would be very unnatural if none of the chars were LGBTQ+. It would be okay to exclude everything in this direction but that’s not possible anymore. So there is either direct exclusion or inclusion.
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@sudintlink said:
The tiktok side of this community WANTS there to be a character whose only personality is being LGBT so they don't really care
I have literally seen no person that was asking for a character whose only personality trait is being LGBT..
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@Okapi said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/211809/chubby-fat-survivor
Ash, Jeff, and Jane are all overweight. But the reason why you don't see any survivors who weigh more than them is because all survivors have the same hitbox. So anyone with more girth would cause issues as their model would extend beyond the default survivor hitbox. You'd have hits that don't actualy count as hits, as while the weapon hitbox contacted the model, it techincally missed the survivor's hitbox.
Another issue is that all male and female survivors share the same animations of their respective genders in-game. A fat or obese survivor would probably have to have slightly changed animations for it to look okay. Which is extra work.
Pretty much this.
we got Jeff and Jane and I would definitely like more survs with different proportions like those 2.
but they are restricted by their models/hitboxes. That’s also why we won’t see certain disabilities in survivors like people in a wheelchair.
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@Ryan489x said:
This here is the exact reason that adding an LGBT character to the game is so risky.
They literally just said they may do it and we've already got not only dose someone want a gay character but they feel like they should be bi and trans too?
This is why people are warry about doing it.
No it's not a bad thing to be inclusive but It will never be good enough. ever!
People are also asking for this and that licensed killer, does that mean they should never have added a licensed killer at all just because people will ask for more?
no one is demanding anything.. let people speculate and hope for characters how they want.
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@Zarr0ch said:
Why dont we just....Not mention what anyone is....at all, you can assume or decide which character is what in your own mind. It makes NO difference in a game like this.
Yeah I like that approach!
so I want Felix and David to be gay!
wait. No. Not possible because both had straight relationships mentioned and at least on Felix‘ case that pretty much rules out for him to be possibly gay.
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@Pepsidot said:
Some people actually bought the chapter. Why should they calm down if half the perks aren't working correctly, Victor gets stuck in the ground etc.
How can you justify this mess of a chapter by saying 'show patience since fixing bugs isn't easy at all'.
If anything, that kind of attitude just encourages BHVR to release more buggy, unfinished chapters.
Calming down doesn’t equal just accepting things silently.
but constructive criticism will be heard and listened to. If all someone does is cry and insult the devs they won’t change anything..
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@Zender said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1802376#Comment_1802376
Well, I come onto these forums and read so it does affect me. Particularly you Orion, I see a lot of posts by you and many of them seem to revolve around some sexualization agenda. This includes sharing your own personal preferences on these forums.
Many, myself included, have gotten on just fine in DbD without bringing sexuality (our own or these fake characters) of any kind into the discussion of an asymmetrical horror game.
And many also choose to be against LGBT+ representation but ignore the fact we already got straight relationships with implied sexuality in the lore.
this is a public forum, people may discuss here what they want as long as they don’t break forum rules.
and the topic wouldn’t be as heavily featured if it wasn’t for the haters or the ‚don’t care‘- people that somehow always feel the need to comment either way
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@Zender said:
There is barely a ghost of a plot in this game, its a 1v4 PvP style quick-match game. We don't need to bring sexuality of any kind into this game, it just seems so out of place. Forced really.
There are killers, there are survivors, do gens, get hooks, kill, survive to play again. Repeat.
The end.
There are already many lore entries, adding LGBT topics (that don’t only revolve around sexuality, but identity, relationships, friendships etc) will not change the game in any way. Also heterosexual relationships with implied sexuality is already a thing. So too late..
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@weirdkid5 said:
I agree representation is important.
But as someone who's bi, I could care less about such things in a game like DbD. I've never chosen a character in a game because they are "similar" to me. I choose characters that I think are badass. I relegate characters that are like me to games where I can create said character, like RPGs.
Certain games are better for this kind of stuff than others. Case in point, Cyberpunk is only a few days away.
i would normally agree, but DbD has a pretty big lore section that gets expanded even more with the tomes etc. and we already have several heterosexual relationships mentioned here.
so including LGBT+ topics at this point is just natural or otherwise it would be exclusion..
it will also never effect the gameplay in any way, there will never be a daring feature in the fog..
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@FattiePoobum said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1802311#Comment_1802311
It will get political and it will divide people even more than it already has.
The minute an LGBT character gets introduced some redneck is going to tunnel and face camp them for who they are. (More than killers do that now)
l agree in the perfect world diverse characters are a great idea but with this game and this community the way it is, the forums are going to be filled with killers are homophobic threads, which they probably are.
that won’t stop people doing it.
If they go out of their way to do this they will also want to let the survs know why they do it. And then they will easily get banned for homophobic harassment. Just like what is happening right now with racists.
this is no good reason to exclude LGBT representation.
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Damn, haven’t seen Santa Clown yet.. at least Reindeer Elodie and Dwelf are pretty common..
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@Onyx_Blue said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1802214#Comment_1802214
'Representation' is not important. Acting like sexuality is something that should be embraced and celebrated is a delusion. Just because people have the same life choice, doesn't make it special. Being Black, White, Asian, Latin, Gay, Straight, Religious etc does not require any form of celebration or representation anywhere. Therefore, DBD does not need to endulge this agenda. It is attention seeking, largely, plain and simple.
Agreed. No celebration needed. Just let the devs add the characters with the traits they want.
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@freddymybae said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1802239#Comment_1802239
Then why not make a character a nazi just because of the lore ? I don’t see that as a good argument
Pretty sure there are laws that restrict the addition of nazis at least in some countries. And the devs don’t want to add nazis as far as i know. But they do want to add LGBT+ representation. It’s in fact very important to at least some of them!
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@chieften333 said:
You mean all 154 bugs? Which will probably take them an entire chapter to fix?
You are referring to your list that includes stuff that definitely doesn’t count as bugs?
of course not everything will be completely fixed then.. but they are working on fixes and will have prioritization. Also there could be bugs that have same/related origins.
pretty sure your list -while subjective- will also help them! (Though I only read the first few points..)
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@freddymybae said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801699#Comment_1801699
This ! Don’t force gay stuff in a gay if you do that atleast add donkey Kong as a killer
Don’t force to exclude ‚gay stuff‘.
what do you even gain from that? It shouldn’t affect you at all if it’s added or not. There is no graphical sexuality in this game either way and it will only be mentioned in the lore. No harm there. It would feel really forced to not include anything LGBT+ but having several heterosexual relationships featured.
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Just to add something that I have read but don’t really know if it’s true:
Lesbian representation is apparently the biggest in gaming, but it’s often portrayed in a way for the straight male eye so not really that positive..
again just something I read, don’t really have much knowledge in the overall gaming scene.
on topic. I don’t care which comes first or if they add from every letter one or something else. Just some kind of representation would be nice. And I hope they leave it at how they treated heterosexual relationships, mostly. So not outright saying they are x, but incorporate (direct) hints in their lore, such as girlfriend, during their coming out etc. so leave it open if they came out as bi or lesbian if it doesn’t matter.
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@Kilmeran said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801472#Comment_1801472
Well, Activision-Blizzard did also delay the Shadowlands expansion, as well. It's out now, of course, but was delayed by several weeks due to being a buggy mess in end-of-Beta. And that was an expansion product with preorder money also long since paid by the customers. So, BHVR has zero excuse.
They didn’t try to make any excuses, a dev said he can’t talk about the reasons why this happened and that was it..
i just tried to see a possible explanation. We don’t know how they are bound to their releases on the different platforms. I at least know that’s the ‚devs are lazy‘ and ‚devs don’t care‘ arguments are not correct.
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I would actually like to see more stuff for survivors in a chapter instead of less. For example a new item or what they did with Felix and add new offerings.
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@ALostPuppy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1799031#Comment_1799031
If Activision-Blizzard and CDPR of all companies can delay their games this much, there's no way BHVR wouldn't be able to delay their DLC. I refuse to believe BHVR are a worse company than the 2 I mentioned.
I imagine there is a difference between a full game release and release of DLC like DbD chapters. But I could be wrong of course.
i hope after this disaster, they will figure out a better plan if a chapter turns out to be this buggy.
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Pig is another candidate, chases are pretty much not affected if you don’t go into Stealth-mode.
and outside of chases survivors may look around a little paranoid because you could be hiding terror radius, but it’s not as extreme as with GF or Wraith I think.
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Maybe Doc fits this description?
if you never use your power the survs won’t really act differently just because you are a doc that could use your power. MAYBE they hide more often in lockers when in TR but not in chase..
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@AChaoticKiller said:
The most pure m1 killer is trapper since his power is situational.
You can't expect your traps not to get disarmed or even for a majority of your chases to result in them stepping in a trap without some insane favor from the goddess of luck. that makes him a pure m1 killer for a large majority of the chases in a match which is why he is considered weak.
Wraith gets free hits often and can use his power to uncloak at small loops so he isn't a true killer without a power.
The twins while they can be a pure m1 killer for 50 seconds at a time they aren't like that for the majority of the match so i wouldn't consider them a pure m1 killer.
edit: good survivors vs trappers look at the loops near the gen they will work on ahead of time to make sure there are no traps so until they go to a area they haven't checked and there's a trap there you are literally a pure m1 killer.
That’s pretty much why Trapper doesn’t fit OP‘s description: the survivors play differently when versing a trapper, they check areas, are cautious in specific locations like shack and loop differently which may benefit the killer.
OP is looking for a killer where he only uses M1 and the survivors don’t act differently, so Wraith would fit better since he wouldn’t cloak himself at all.
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@oxygen said:
Accessibility options like good colourblind modes, toggles for hold/mash-a-button-to-do-an-action stuff like doing gens, struggling and so on. And yes I am aware you can do the "M1 -> Bring up menu -> let go of M1 -> close menu" thing for the former, but they should be official options and not something you have to rely on a weird "tech" like that to do.
I don't care if people with regular vision can get some sort of "advantage" from it, when people can use stuff like Nvidia filters and monitor firmware crosshairs that's a pretty silly thing to worry about in my opinion. I'd much rather have that and give more people the "advantage" of actually being able to see stuff that's important better.
Yes, this!
They stated the next year will focus a bit on options/settings and colorblind could be included. I would rather see them focus completely on accessibility options, also the implementations of the mobile version regarding accessibility/sounds (visible heartbeat) should find their way into the main game.
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If we ignore everything that works fine then sure, there is nothing that works..
but seriously, most of my matches go just fine. There are definitely major killer specific bugs and other bugs and glitches that need fixing ASAP, but the game is not unplayable.
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@Hex_Llama said:
I think BHVR needs to make it much clearer how to report someone for stuff like this and what information, exactly, they need. If they reject a report, they should also be clear about what information was missing.
I'm honestly surprised that they don't have a filter that automatically blocks slurs in the chat at this point.
They give information on what is missing though, I had some report where I didn’t attach video proof and they asked for it (without immediately rejecting it)
in my first report I also didn’t add the other players steam ID and got an email that informed me about it..
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You just have to make an in-game report for verbal harassment and they will have all the info they need.
you won’t get an email as response for this.. seems like you make an additional player report that was completely unnecessary.
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Does the addition of an Alien chapter count as a change?
but the second stage struggle is also a good one. I had high hopes to see it gone fast after the introduction of PH..
Quentin face rework.
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@Ihatelife said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1797822#Comment_1797822
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1798134#Comment_1798134
Stream, update, missed content, DLC, their decisions on balance. I can't believe that Clown, Demo and Wraith are getting updates while Legion barely can do anything in the matches. Even the twins are better than Legion, because Victor can win at least loops and help Charlotte by blocking the path by him and vice versa.
Still no need to hate a person and insult them, those decisions were not made by one person alone.
and not saying that Legion doesn’t need some kind of buffs but Clown, Wraith and Demo all deserve some tweaks too, and the community definitely have asked for those.
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@Angelicus23 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1799031#Comment_1799031
they literally have to give a green light before uploading to the platforms and confirming any release date, also it's an og chapter, not licensed, bhvr had the rights to do whatever
We don’t know that exactly. maybe the dev team said they need more time (pretty sure they did that) but they were ruled over because the bugs can be fixed with hotfixes and are not worth the hassle of postponing the release.
releasing something especially on PS or XBox isn’t really that easy.
@crowbarman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1799109#Comment_1799109
You are a funny guy. Keep defending false advertising. In any way? Yeah, I read what they wrote about it. That is - some dev wrote about all the amazing new character and map improvements. They posted it for all to see. And they purposefully neglected to tell us about known bugs.
Silly me to expect products to work when sold. I am sure every player of this game goes to this forum before buying DLC.
They advertised the content, which won’t get changed much in the near future. But it was never said that this version was bug free. Bugs were expected by the community and they listed most of the known issues. There will be hotfixes for them. The chapter is also very much playable. I got use out of every (bugged) perk and played the Twins without major issues.
i am not saying this release was okay in any way. They should have delayed it. But there is no need for just pure hatred and no mercy for the devs. You gotta see the whole picture. QA and bug fixing should have been better, especially on the issues that were already known before the PTB started. And after this backlash they will have to improve on it. But that’s mostly thanks to constructive criticism, not because of the insulting fraction or the ones blindly buying everything.
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@BigBrainMegMain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1799543#Comment_1799543
He was using Twins.
He was getting their Adept, 3 perks, not camping and not tunneling either.
Hmm.
Twins didn’t strike me as gay though. Definitely not the gayest. That person might have not known what they were talking about..
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@xenotimebong said:
You think it’s funny to try and kobe in their face and they think it’s funny to leave you to struggle. Seems like both parties are happy to troll each other.
Pretty much this. Why do you expect to be unhooked, some people find it funny to run to the hook but not unhooking.
people who Kobe into others faces shouldn’t have a problem with that attitude??
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
Someone once came into my stream (yesterday btw) because they were salty that they died with 8k points. Called me gay and said I was using the "gayest killer". I'm like "Yeah, I am" at which point the homophobia spews forwards. "Burn the gays" was repeated several times before they were banned.
Then they made an alt. And another. And another. Banned each time ofc.
This is the first time it's gotten so... extreme but I wish I could say this was the first time it's happened lol. I ain't noticed a particular rise but that may be because I don't give people the chance to lmao.
Which killer did you use though?
i wanna know which one is the gayest of them
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@HorizonToDawn said:
Can't wait for the title to get edited or for some moderator to give you a warning lol careful when tossing around the word "baby" BHVR no likey
But that was pretty funny and abrupt, the moment you jump in it just ate him lol
that’s not true though.
there were just problems/bans on Discord when using phrasing’s that might be interpreted as promoting child abuse such as ‚kick the b*by‘. That wasn’t BHVR..
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@DetailedDetriment said:
The largest issue with the system is the inability for console players to obtain the charm. Adding Bill to consoles removed some of the PC exclusive content, only leaving the L4D and Trapper shirt to be exclusive to PC. But now there are charms also exclusive to PC.
There are codes that only work on console...
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Candyman yeah
Glen is okay, but I would rather see Carol or Maggie.
the others no.