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@Falkner09 said:
It occurs to me that Victor must be the first trans character.
Think about it: he's male, yet a conjoined twin with a female. not possible, unless one of them is trans. and since Charlotte seems to have breasts in a time when she certainly couldn't get implants, it must be Victor.
Also makes sense since his lower half was stuck inside Charlotte, so the ignorant peasants wouldn't have realized anything was off if he called himself male.
That would at least be an explanation for not same sex conjoined twins, yeah.
But there are still some issues with this: Victor died a very young age and probably wasn’t mentally evolved enough to make up his mind about this.
honestly the lore and biology of the twins feel just as ‚rushed‘ as the rest of the chapter
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I had a similar experience on Thompson House map a while ago but didn’t think about reporting it. That was some days before the latest chapter release
i was killer and the survivor got crows while downstairs in the house, head stuck out of the floor, could only rotate the character and crouch. I could hit and down the survivor and tried to pick up but couldn’t, tried also as Nurse to port to their level.
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@Questionable BHVR said:
Will do.
great, should have given at least the link though 😉
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@Zeidoktor said:
I think the question been asked is "If my Stadia and Steam accounts are linked, can one person play on my steam account and another on my stadia account at the same time, or is that prevented by the accounts being linked?"
Yeah I just wanted to make sure that OP doesn’t try to link 2 Steam accounts because they didn’t mention which platform.
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That’s a pretty serious bug/glitch happening there. You can report that in the bug report section with more info so the devs can try to search better for the origin. EG give Info in what situation it happened, what map it was (you can see the seed when going in the pause menu I think) etc
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@Bantha_Traxx said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1806252#Comment_1806252
I'm not worried about the linking process being buggy. Specifically, my wife and I both play and we want to know if we link our accounts if they'll still be able to play together.
You can’t link two accounts of the same platform.
currently only Stadia and Steam accounts can be linked with switch following ‚soon(to)‘ (read:not soon sadly).
i don’t know if you can play with both accounts at the same time or even in SWF together though.
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@Hyd said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803224#Comment_1803224
It's not nearly as hard as people make it out to be here. It's in the realm of what I like to think of the 10/90 effort/mastery theory - it takes 10% effort to achieve 90% mastery, and 90% effort to achieve the remaining 10% mastery - in other words, it's easy to become pretty dang good with Nurse, but to reach the "God Tier" people talk about here, that's where the difficulty is, but I'm perfectly happy being 90% effective for only putting in 10% effort lol.
Nurse was my first Killer I committed to (only been playing a month) and after getting the purple perks I enjoy using (none of which were the "meta" perk loadouts people discuss for her), I was winning too often and too easily that it became boring, so I moved on from her.
I agree fully, and I am even playing on controller (but on PC still)
i have much more difficulties with long range killers (because of the controller) and Oni
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That source code was known for some weeks or even month now.
but nothing has been confirmed yet. They might internally test it though or use the source code for other purposes (maybe in QA)
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@Jed said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1805089#Comment_1805089
Well obviously we dont have to have a LGBT character to appeal to the LGBT community in DBD because this article exists. Here it is again in case you (or anyone else trying to make this a issue) didn't read it. https://www.wired.com/story/queer-appeal-dead-by-daylight-lgbtq-community/amp
Oh that’s your argument. Sweet. So you are saying the argument that they are only doing it to get money from the LGBT community doesn’t hold any longer because they already get the money.
thanks for that 👍
now the argument for inclusion was never to appeal to LGBT people, but to treat them equally. Which is not a given and therefore inclusion in this regard is still needed.
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@Jed said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1804946#Comment_1804946
Hehe ok then we have enough LGBT representation because i haven't seen any articles like this talking about the handicap appeal of DBD. https://www.wired.com/story/queer-appeal-dead-by-daylight-lgbtq-community/amp
That doesn’t even make any sense.
we have currently no confirmed LGBT char in the roster, but several that are handicapped.
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@Jed said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1804433#Comment_1804433
Oh please do explain.
Ash is an amputee (arm/hand amputated)
Hillbilly was born disfigured.
Claudette has a skin condition.
Yui is crosseyed.
Deathslinger has some issue with his leg.
There is probably more I don’t think of right now.
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@SharkPiledriver said:
Neither sexual orientation, nor ethnicity define character. Unpopular opinion, I know.
No that’s a normal healthy opinion.
it should not be a big thing when LGBT chars get added to a video game. They shouldn’t even be called that. They are just normal chars.
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@Alphasoul05 said:
Why do some people define their entire selves by their sexuality? Like they, as a person, are nothing but what they define as their sex or sexual preferences? Trans I can understand because that is different than something like being gay, but the reality is a lot of people these days are really just getting tired of the massive amounts of people wanting to have this type of sexuality, this type of race, this type of that.
Like, I would rather have the ability to play an elf, or an orc, not just another human that's got different colored skin and likes the same gender. Besides, why would you want a character and their lore to say that they might be bisexual? Like, unless that character has specific, you know, clothing, or trinkets, or things that show that type of thing, then it seems a big empty to have a little spot in their bio saying it.
Who exactly defines themselves solely by their sexuality? That not even a thing for trans people. But good thing you would understand that...
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@MasonOliver123 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1804615#Comment_1804615
How sad you are, can't come up with any productive arguments so you just use the ones I said to you. Things are fine as they are, no need to change anything, it's not been in the game for over 3-4 years, why start now.
You literally have no argument. This thread is full of arguments pro inclusion. and there is literally none against.
you want to force exclusion. The devs want to add LGBT chars. There is no force involved here.
btw you are the Karen here. Asking for exclusion of LGBT because it hurts you is a pretty damn ‚Karen‘-thing to do.
the LGBT community is only asking for equal treatment, nothing more.
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@MasonOliver123 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1804533#Comment_1804533
Why does it matter iof theyr'e added, who really cares about LGBt in a horror game, really, it's a game for god sake why do all you people feel the need to bring it into every single thing in life.
Why do you want to dictate how others feel about this?
what harm would it do to add them?
i care, many others care. Where is your problem with that? It would literally have zero impact on you or your gaming experience
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1804524#Comment_1804524
My bad, I forgot about Felix.
Well, just admit it: you want to forget that Felix is not available 😉
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@MasonOliver123 said:
Snowflakes man, it's a game of killing and chasing survivors/ escaping the killer, who cares if the killer is gay, straight or what.
Believe what you want to believe it doesn't need to be set and stone that this character is trans or that character is gay, it's a horror game, grow up.
Yeah. Grow up. It doesn’t hurt you if they are added.
thise snowflakes asking for exclusion because ‚my precious horror game‘ need to wake up
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@stvnhthr said:
Do we have a married survivor? There are so many demographics which could be "represented" which are left up to the players. You have to remember some folks don't understand that unless sex is part of the game it is not important to give sexual preference, it just becomes about trying to push a political/social agenda.
@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1804500#Comment_1804500
Do we have a married survivor?
No, we just have survivors and killers who used to have same-sex partners. The Nurse was the first one, she had a husband who died.
Yes we have a married survivor. Felix is married to a woman and they expected a child when he was abducted by the Entity
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@Mysterynovus said:
At this point, it's looking as though BHVR is non-commital to the idea and only said what they did about representation to appear more inclusive. Literally all they have to do is say that a character had a same-gender partner in the lore or give characters appropriate pride flag cosmetics. Hardly the most difficult thing to do, especially with how many new cosmetics they whip out each update.
They still want to do it right and not just say it just to have it done and over.
@Jed said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1804254#Comment_1804254
No I'm not concerned and nobody here calling for LGBT representation cares about equal representation for the handicap. They are hypocrites looking for something to complain about...that was my point.
we already have some kinds of handicapped representation. There is no need to ask for more when we know they are already included.
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@Mozzie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1804233#Comment_1804233
Both you and Mooks are cut from the same cloth. You both think that if gay people aren't seen everywhere, despite being a significantly small % of the population, that everyone is homophobic.
you want to exclude anything ‚gay‘ from certain media. That’s your agenda it seems and it’s a pretty hateful one.
my ‚ridiculous‘ agenda is just that I don’t want to see people from the LGBT+ community treated differently just because of their identity/sexuality.
i did not say there needs to be at least one gay character in every video game. But generally, video games that already include several straight characters shouldn’t explicitly exclude LGBT when there is no other reason to it.
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@chieften333 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1804160#Comment_1804160
Most of what we heard before was, "don't worry, we're looking into it"
Plus they outright ignored how much of a cash grab the Halloween event was. They never made a statement about it other than, " something will be done about it" on the QnA.
It is a remarkable improvement over the past
They also made a statement regarding the Halloween event with the announcement of the advent calendar though.
but I agree there is always room for improvement, and the current statement is very much appreciated
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@Dabihwow said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1804208#Comment_1804208
Oh okay for a second I thought it was a furry or something
I mean.. maybe there are some furry fetishes associated with it.
but generally it’s just a comfy suit for the couch.
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@Mozzie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803995#Comment_1803995
It's people like you that have to shove your ridiculous agendas down everyone's throats that causes the bitterness with the LGBT community.
Which ridiculous agenda is that? That gay people are normal people?
you are just bitter because you choose to, not because I am making you. Why do you feel in any way attacked?
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@Dabihwow said:
sorry to ask but whats an animal onsie?
Those new sets for Elodie and Zarina.
pretty much a snuggle one-piece suit that depicts an animal.
it’s also called onesie and not onsie I think.
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Was it really that bad before though? I always had the impression they communicate with us, either here in the forums, on Twitter or on Twitch, either the several dev-stream or I guess some even made private streams like McLean?
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@notlonely said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1804025#Comment_1804025
It was licensed btw. Also many survivor's power's are dependant on items that you can also find on chests. I do think that survivors in DbD should be more than just skins though...
@coppersly said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1804069#Comment_1804069
I really don't see anyway where each survivor has a unique trait/power without a meta forming and invalidating a large portion of them.
Except for one idea I have: You get 1 random perk from their teachable in addition to whatever 4 you run. Can be the same perk you're running in your build so you can't cheese a free perk by running the other 2. Still creates a meta but at least it's RNG.
Yeah it would have been a cool concept but it’s just such a fundamental change to the core game mechanics that it’s not feasible at this point anymore.
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@coppersly said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803653#Comment_1803653
In fact I'm sure there are some cool designs that could be made with a disability at the center of it.
Blind or deaf killer is an easy go to.
that mobile DbD ‚rip off‘ has different survivor abilities and one of them is actually blind! That concept is really really cool
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@Mozzie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803859#Comment_1803859
I'm not saying gay people should be excluded from all things, just not the opposite either. This push by the very vocal, woke types to have gay people in everything pulp culture is only going to cause the gay community to become more polarized. Stop.
no, ‚gay people‘ need to be included everywhere to the point where it really feels normal if a gay character is introduced somewhere.
as long as inclusion will make People scream things like ‚woke‘ there is work needed to be done. You don’t view gay people as normal people. Or any other LGBT people for that matter. And that is a problem.
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It has been stated that those changes won’t come at the same time and there is really no reason for it to be worked on simultaneously.
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You can still prevent any saves like DS, pallet, flashlight or power struggle saves. It saves valuable time. And it should never have been as powerful as it was to begin with.
don’t get me wrong, I don’t like the change either, but it’s not THAT bad. And this state is healthier for the game than before.
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Well.. I am happy I got the achievement out of my way before this change.
this change is definitely healthier for the game than it was before. But it’s kinda.. underwhelming..
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@MeneLaw said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803795#Comment_1803795
I mean i dont have nothing with that communiry but just image the hate will come with, bullying in game and in chat will be huge, my opinion is like any caracter can have his orientation like meg he probably is but we dont know, tbh all those years i was thinking Nea was somehow a boi.
Excluding LGBT chars will not prevent bullying. People use names that include anything LGBT and get tunneled and harassed for it. Those bullies will get banned.
@Awakey said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803785#Comment_1803785
Nothing's broken. You (not you specifically) aren't any worse off if you don't get an LGBT character.
the devs admitted their inclusion of straight relations but exclusion of anything LGBT was pretty much a broken state that they WANT to fix. Let the devs do what they want, it won’t harm you in any way.
@Mozzie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803761#Comment_1803761
And this is precisely why people don't want a gay character in DBD, we don't need gay people in every aspect of everything in order for it to be 'normal'. Gay people are overly represented in mainstream media now as it stands.
if you really want it specifically excluded but everything else shall be included nontheless (like hetero relationships) it kind of says gay people/lgbt people are not normal.
they should just be treated normally and that’s it. No special attention or anything. And up to this point they didn’t get any special attention in DbD. There was just this one short Twitter statement that they won’t get excluded anymore.
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@MeneLaw said:
I dont want that kind of caracter in dbd.
Well, sucks to be you in this case I guess.. because we definitely will get them.
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@Awakey said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803761#Comment_1803761
There is no reason not to, but to put it simply,
Why fix something that isn't broken?
Because it was actually broken. The devs have seen their mistake and they are ‚fixing‘ it.
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@Mozzie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803752#Comment_1803752
If you think a videogame character is going to change anyone's perception on reality you are living in a fantasy land.
No. One sole inclusion won’t change anything. Never said that. But inclusion in media generally does help! That’s why I have stated that I am not only referring to DbD.
But there is still literally no reason to exclude LGBT from DbD lore.
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@Mozzie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1802947#Comment_1802947
Why is representation so important? I find it to be classless and obnoxious. To add a character for the sole purpose of them being of a minority doesn't do anything for anyone. Do you think people who are anti-LGBT are going to go "wow, they added a DBD character who is transgender, I really need to re-think my position on this..."? Do you think most normal minded gay people are going to be 'proud' that they added a gay character just so they can now 'fit in'?
Diversity for sake of diversity is pandering and I don't know why this topic gets brought up so much around here but I really wish it would just die on the hook.
It’s important because it will definitely help in showing that LGBT+ people are not any different than straight people. It actually could make people think about it, help people that are unsure about themselves or others in their lives to see that it doesn’t define who they are. I am not only talking about representation in DbD of course, but since DbD represents characters with heterosexual relationships it should only be normal to also include LGBT.
no one said they should add a character with the only trait being LGBT. Literally nobody wants that.
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@SharkPiledriver said:
Why do people want a "LGBT" character? As in anything on that spectrum would satisfy them? Say they add a female lesbian as a character, is a male bisexual supposed to be like "Oh cool I'm being represented!". Look at that nonsense that happened with Cyberpunk, they had no problem being inclusive of various people, then people started screaming because the LGBT characters weren't exactly as they wanted them to be. Theres no value in appeasing people who want these characters.
Currently we only have characters with confirmed heterosexual relationships and thus it feels like anything LGBT is deliberately excluded (which it kinda was up until the devs said they won’t exclude anymore).
and yes some people would be satisfied with anyone from the ‚spectrum‘ because it would ackowledge the existence in general, and LGBT people often go through similar struggles throughout life.
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The Golem could be name for the killer, I would imagine a golem like body structure as well and they are associated with earth.
I power is cool, but somehow lacking, some attack like the long range one from SH could have fitted as well (but with another animation of course)
i like the perks as well! Especially Failed Stealth.
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@MichaelAMyers said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803653#Comment_1803653
Never said anyone was just adding we need more.
But why even start this completely off-topic request in this thread?
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@SeeAndWait said:
Also, we need one for wraith!
I can see Wraith as a chameleon!
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@MichaelAMyers said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803648#Comment_1803648
we neeeeeed more.
Nobody said anything against this though?
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@MichaelAMyers said:
We need representation for all if we gonna be so ignorant to those who are disabled/disfigured.
We have. Hillbilly is disfigured. Ash has his hand/arm amputated. Deathslinger has something with his leg. Claudette has some skin condition(don’t remember which one). Yui is cross eyed.
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@Uncle said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803585#Comment_1803585
That's the thing. While the community rejects these people, one can argue that they fit. I don't necessarily agree (but my opinion isn't the only one). But, Freddy was apparently not picky in his choice of victims and Bubba is... well, complicated.
Drag is also a contentious issue in general (I would argue that Bubba isn't really in drag, but you know, he sorta is). I'm an ostensibly bisexual male in a heterosexual relationship and I can wear a dress (I actually do fairly regularly if you consider long tunics to be dresses) and call myself Lady Ladidagofrickoff and I'm still gonna be six and a half foot tall, 270 lbs, and have a pretty nice beard. But on the same token, I can say that now I am female and there is nothing anyone can do to argue with that, despite me being, well, pretty obviously a Jeff, so to speak.
And I was using Buffalo Bill just as an example. If you want a more salient example of a real-life Killer that would be a BAD inclusion, look up Dean Corll. But don't, because I don't want to have to buy you the brain bleach to get that out of your head. :)
For Buffalo Bill and Leatherface sure they might fit. Not really as transgender but maybe as queer or something. But pedophiles don’t fit, for obvious reasons. Them being killers is another thing, I do think that they also should consider creating LGBT killers, don’t exclude them from this just because killers tend to be bad people. LGBT should be treated just as straight was treated before in the game.
I looked Dean Corll up, don’t worry, you can’t disturb me that much. He wouldn’t fit just because he was a real human being and BHVR said they would not add those ever.
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@Awakey said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803589#Comment_1803589
Trust me, I'm very much enjoying my coffee by this bonfire I accidentally created
‚Accidentally“
sure. But I am enjoying my tea just as well, don’t worry 😉
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@Uncle said:
Okay, this is probably going to be a bit long in general, but hey, bear with me.
Firstly, I think when people are asking for an LGBT+ character, they are going specifically for Survivor. Let's be honest, nobody wants to say Freddy or Leatherface was the first LGBT+ character in DbD because they're both horrible people in general. Including, say, Buffalo Bill and calling them transgender would probably ruffle more than a few feathers in general.
On the same token, there is the issue that, well, DbD is a horror game and the characters aren't so much Survivors as they are victims. Even if they manage to escape, they are stuck back in the next Trial where, let's be honest, their chances aren't so great. While I'm all for representation, I'm not so sure that's the best way of doing it. But I'm just a small part of both communities and I'm not sure my opinion counts for anything.
As of right now, at least on the Survivor side, DbD has done a pretty good job or representation (I could easily argue that Killers are overwhelmingly white, male, and American, but that also has to do with Slashers being an overwhelmingly American product of past decades). I'll break down the stats by what is on the wiki and what they "appear" to be (please note, I am using vernacular here because preferred terms go on and on and everyone can argue them--just ignore my language if it offends you as it is not intended to). There are 24 Survivors currently.
12 present as male. 12 present as female. None present as anything other than that.
15 present as White.
4 present as Black.
3 present as Asian.
1 presents as Latina.
1 presents as Middle Eastern.
All 24 present as cis, or at least cis-passing.
1 non-licensed character canonically has a wife and a child. Please note that this does not mean that one is heterosexual.
It can be argued that Laurie, Quentin, Ash, Nancy, and Steve are heterosexual, or at least hetero-presenting, but that does not mean that they have not "experimented," so to speak. Nor does them being in a canon hetero relationship define their sexuality.
7 characters, to me, present as "young." Yes, I know they are all 18 or 21 or whatever DbD says, but I'm old and young can be a range. 4-6 present as "old."
There are characters from China, Japan, Germany, France, Jamaica (living in Japan), Lebanon (living in the US), Sweden, Canada, etc.
Would I like a confirmed LGBT+ character? Sure, why not? Would I like one of each? WHO CARES as long as they bring decent perks? I'll probably keep playing Kate because the dirndl is just too pretty. ;)
Just for the record
Freddy is pedophile, which is not as such included in the LGBT+ community at all and shouldn’t be associated with it
Bubba is not transgender and just mentally more than unstable. He probably doesn’t even see genders at all.
Buffalo Bill is explicitly NOT transgender, that is pretty well described in the books at least, I don’t know how it was depicted in the movies though.
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@Awakey said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803526#Comment_1803526
Whether or not this is important isn't a subjective feeling, it is an objective fact.
This is a video game. You did not buy a video game just to play as an LGBT character. It is objectively not important. We don't need it for game balance, or optimization, or anything.
Then it is objectively important because the creators of the game said it is important for them. They want to be inclusive with their game.
why did you quote my post and not the one that I responded to though?
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@Awakey said:
To make a follow-up to the hundreds of comments, rather than replying individualy:
My point is that "representation" really isn't important. What matters in a game is whether or not the gameplay is good. It wouldn't matter if the Survivors were blank character models, as long as they work.
I wouldn't care if every survivor was black, or white, or asian, or gay, or any trait someone can have. As long as they play well.
And to the people saying "there's no reason not to" it's definitely an extra headache on the lore/design team to mach a gay character, not have it be their token, make correct cosmetics, AND deal with people who REALLY didn't want it.
You're no worse off if you don't get it.
It may not matter to you but there are people for which it is important.
the design team may actually like to create such a character, you don’t know that. Actually we already got confirmation that there is at least one character in the cast that is LGBT+, it was just never stated which one.
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@DontNerf said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803406#Comment_1803406
When has the game ever been homophones?
When they added heterosexual relationships in lore despite saying they won’t add any sexual elements and will let every character be not-defined at all.
but guess what: nobody cried about that. Not even your SJWs. And especially not the people that are now against LGBT inclusion because sexuality doesn’t have a place in this game.
i am not saying BHVR pandered to homophobics deliberately btw.
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@DontNerf said:
Gotta get those pander points
And gotta loose those homophobic pander points.
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@freddymybae said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803387#Comment_1803387
lol bold statement saying alot of people are homophobic just because people dont agree with others doesnt make them homophobic people dont buy the twins because it sucks and a waste of money i wont buy it if lets say next chapter a gay killer comes out and its good i buy it
Not a bold statement, there are definitely many people that are openly homophobic. I have seen way too many tweets when BHVR announced they were not excluding LGBT+ anymore that said they will leave the game because of that. (Most of those hate comments were deleted shortly after though)
they won’t gain THAT much money for adding LGBT. I am pretty sure that in the end, the chapter won’t see any significant higher or lower purchase rate. The money argument doesn’t hold here for any side.