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What is a suicide? How can you tell that someone is committing suicide instead of trying to hit the Kobe and then screws up the Struggle?
With a disconnect, you can tell that someone hit the "Leave Game" button. That's a bit more concrete than "Oops, you got greedy and then your nose itched. Sorry, you get to sit out for a while."
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Oni has arguably the strongest snowball potential in the game. Using his power at a critical moment can turn a complete loss into just a little beat of clean-up for you. He is one of only a few Killers in the game with an instant-down power and said power also (like chainsaws, but not Myers, etc.) can be used to destroy pallets easily. Demon Rush is incredible for ending chases and just general mobility.
However, he has to actually get his power in order to use it. Early game, he is Charlotte without Victor and slightly more fashion sense. He isn't quite as helpless as, say, T1 Myers, but he's still pretty darned bad before he starts sucking up that blood. This means that Survivors who play safely really mess with him as they can deny his ability for an excessive amount of time while their buddies are getting gens done. Basically, Kazan really doesn't want to mess with the Toxic Nea early-game.
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As has been mentioned, Clown and Oni can be purchased by grinding shards. If you're looking to use cells, the smart thing to do would be to purchase a licensed character. So in this case, I would recommend saving up your Christmas present shards and making a big dent in the cost of one of the other two and pick up Pyramid Head at the current time.
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I'm surprised that people don't seem to remember how the 2018 event actually went down. Saying it was positively received is a bit... well, the rose-tinted glasses are rather thick there.
To begin with, remember that only 2 cankers and 2 hooks spawned baseline in the map, and both were single-use targets. Survivor players would lose any collected nectar that wasn't at a 1/3 marker upon death. This meant that, oftentimes, Survivors were fighting over the nectar and would DC when they had filled a vial or if someone else had already harvested all the nectar. Games were pretty darned bad back then and yeah, lots and lots of DCs. Players could bring Pustula Petals to spawn more of he cankers, but that did not mean they would get to harvest them (they would get more BPs if someone else did, though). Also keep in mind that the Petals were an offering, so if you wanted to try to muscle through the cankers, you weren't running other things, like, say, BPS.
Originally, you could only get 30 vials each on Survivor and Killer to encourage people to play both sides. This was eventually changed (good BHVR) because the queue times for Killer were... just terribad. Like really, really bad.
Complaints were quite constant, not just about "WHY CAN'T I GET A COSMETIC FO X." Gameplay was bad, griefing was horrible, and again, queue times were horrible for Killers and half the Survivors DCed in the first 3 minutes of a game.
2019 was, in general, better-received because you didn't have to necessarily fight over the same objective and didn't lose progress upon death, but it was still "just do the gens/hook Survivors and get the stuff to get what you want," effectively.
Scorching Summer was well-received, as was the last LNY event from what I remember, but the first LNY? Oh man, did people HATE that one.
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@Jb94 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1810714#Comment_1810714
I hope Kate is the character they pick for this BTW. I'd very interested to see how all the people who 'don't want a character purely defined by their sexuality' would get on with a character who has no stereotypical visual signifiers of their sexuality (OK, the biker outfit is an exception).
I actually do not, just because it would make the "token generic hot white chick" into "also the token lesbian-porn bait" character. Too many people need bonked as it is.
I would prefer an entirely new character (or several, don't really care) be a part of the LGBT+ grouping, but it doesn't bother me much one way or the other.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1807661#Comment_1807661
Many existing characters haven't had their orientation revealed yet, just FYI. It wouldn't be "rewriting" if, say, Claudette was revealed to be asexual.
I'm going to be honest with you here. NO existing character has had their orientation revealed as of yet.
We know that Felix and the Nurse had marriages with partners who identified as female and male. We do not know if they had other partners in the past, or at the same time as their marriages. We know David had an ex-girlfriend. We do not know if he had an ex-boyfriend as well. Ace is described as a womanizer, but that doesn't mean he didn't enjoy pretty boys as well. Or transwomen. Etc.
As of right now, the lore is heteronormative, but that doesn't mean any character (well, except perhaps for licensed ones, which might be a bit hinky) is confirmed as straight. Or anything else. The closest thing we have to an actual confirmed identity is the use of gendered pronouns which match the characters' presentation, which is a fairly good indicator, but not 100%.
Like, if someone were to say that Kate was into girls as well as guys, I wouldn't bat an eye. Or whatever. There is absolutely no lore saying that any character is straight, after all.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803451#Comment_1803451
Its not too late whatsoever I say no for the concept.
It is. Other characters are already confirmed heterosexual. It's too bad nobody opposed it back then, maybe we could've avoided this whole mess.
the lore doesn't have anything to do with the game itself....there is no "in-Game" story to consider the lore to be that concerning.
So what's your problem? The lore is where it will be mentioned. You will literally never see it unless you go into the character's lore.
No character is confirmed heterosexual. Some are confirmed to have significant others of the opposite sex. That is all.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803608#Comment_1803608
For Buffalo Bill and Leatherface sure they might fit. Not really as transgender but maybe as queer or something. But pedophiles don’t fit, for obvious reasons. Them being killers is another thing, I do think that they also should consider creating LGBT killers, don’t exclude them from this just because killers tend to be bad people. LGBT should be treated just as straight was treated before in the game.
I looked Dean Corll up, don’t worry, you can’t disturb me that much. He wouldn’t fit just because he was a real human being and BHVR said they would not add those ever.
Dude, I get it. We all hate pedophiles, seriously. That doesn't mean that someone who diddles both boys and girls doesn't go both ways. It is one of those things we all have to kind of accept (in my opinion) and go "Yeah, so he is bi, who cares, he is a piece of garbage and I'm glad he got burnt to ashes."
The thing is, saying bisexuals are only attracted to those who had their magical birthday also invalidates a lot of LG people (god, it sounds like I'm advertising for a brand here) who had their first experiences at the hands of someone a lot older than them (hi there, not gonna bring it up here). You can be bisexual and a horrible freaking person. That doesn't make you suddenly not part of being bisexual.
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@Awakey said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803571#Comment_1803571
There we go, some sense.
And I'm not trying to start a political correctness argument, but it's 12M 12F. That's it. Thee is nothing else.
I'll be honest, I can do the same with the Killer base and things are just WONKY there. But that is largely due to American horror not being very much focused on chick slashers (Mama Vorhees excluded here).
There are 22 Killers (due to slightly more Survivors being released, blah blah blah).
Roughly 6? present as women (I am counting Legion and the Twins as half both here).
15 present as men.
1 is a Demogorgon.
Arguably, one can make the point that both Freddy and Pyramid Head are non-human and thus don't really fit a gender, but they're both dudes, dude.
15 present as White. 14.75 really (Legion again).
3 present as Black, if we are counting Lisa, who really doesn't present as anything. Also, why in the heck haven't we had another Black Killer in forever? CANDYMAN GO!
2 present as Asian. Also another aside, why are the only Asian Killers Japanese? We have a Korean and Chinese Survivor, why not use some other cultures, BHVR?
1 presents as basically Babylonian for a fantasy version of Babylonia.
13 of the Killers are explicitly in America. 1 is in Russia, 1 is in Babylonia (again), 2 are in Japan (yeah, thanks), 1 (4) is in Canada, 1 is in France.
There needs to be more diversity in Killers, seriously!
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1803571#Comment_1803571
Just for the record
Freddy is pedophile, which is not as such included in the LGBT+ community at all and shouldn’t be associated with it
Bubba is not transgender and just mentally more than unstable. He probably doesn’t even see genders at all.
Buffalo Bill is explicitly NOT transgender, that is pretty well described in the books at least, I don’t know how it was depicted in the movies though.
That's the thing. While the community rejects these people, one can argue that they fit. I don't necessarily agree (but my opinion isn't the only one). But, Freddy was apparently not picky in his choice of victims and Bubba is... well, complicated.
Drag is also a contentious issue in general (I would argue that Bubba isn't really in drag, but you know, he sorta is). I'm an ostensibly bisexual male in a heterosexual relationship and I can wear a dress (I actually do fairly regularly if you consider long tunics to be dresses) and call myself Lady Ladidagofrickoff and I'm still gonna be six and a half foot tall, 270 lbs, and have a pretty nice beard. But on the same token, I can say that now I am female and there is nothing anyone can do to argue with that, despite me being, well, pretty obviously a Jeff, so to speak.
And I was using Buffalo Bill just as an example. If you want a more salient example of a real-life Killer that would be a BAD inclusion, look up Dean Corll. But don't, because I don't want to have to buy you the brain bleach to get that out of your head. :)
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Okay, this is probably going to be a bit long in general, but hey, bear with me.
Firstly, I think when people are asking for an LGBT+ character, they are going specifically for Survivor. Let's be honest, nobody wants to say Freddy or Leatherface was the first LGBT+ character in DbD because they're both horrible people in general. Including, say, Buffalo Bill and calling them transgender would probably ruffle more than a few feathers in general.
On the same token, there is the issue that, well, DbD is a horror game and the characters aren't so much Survivors as they are victims. Even if they manage to escape, they are stuck back in the next Trial where, let's be honest, their chances aren't so great. While I'm all for representation, I'm not so sure that's the best way of doing it. But I'm just a small part of both communities and I'm not sure my opinion counts for anything.
As of right now, at least on the Survivor side, DbD has done a pretty good job or representation (I could easily argue that Killers are overwhelmingly white, male, and American, but that also has to do with Slashers being an overwhelmingly American product of past decades). I'll break down the stats by what is on the wiki and what they "appear" to be (please note, I am using vernacular here because preferred terms go on and on and everyone can argue them--just ignore my language if it offends you as it is not intended to). There are 24 Survivors currently.
12 present as male. 12 present as female. None present as anything other than that.
15 present as White.
4 present as Black.
3 present as Asian.
1 presents as Latina.
1 presents as Middle Eastern.
All 24 present as cis, or at least cis-passing.
1 non-licensed character canonically has a wife and a child. Please note that this does not mean that one is heterosexual.
It can be argued that Laurie, Quentin, Ash, Nancy, and Steve are heterosexual, or at least hetero-presenting, but that does not mean that they have not "experimented," so to speak. Nor does them being in a canon hetero relationship define their sexuality.
7 characters, to me, present as "young." Yes, I know they are all 18 or 21 or whatever DbD says, but I'm old and young can be a range. 4-6 present as "old."
There are characters from China, Japan, Germany, France, Jamaica (living in Japan), Lebanon (living in the US), Sweden, Canada, etc.
Would I like a confirmed LGBT+ character? Sure, why not? Would I like one of each? WHO CARES as long as they bring decent perks? I'll probably keep playing Kate because the dirndl is just too pretty. ;)