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You mean the purple instaheal hasn't changed just because it no longer instaheals?
By golly, you're a genius! Why didn't I think of that?
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Yeah when they started releasing stuff like Discordance I noticed all 4 survivors would spawn in the same spot more often than before.
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@Avocet said:
People are missing the opportunity cost of completing the Rift / battle pass. They see the Premium costs only $10 (1000 auric cells) and get excited. But BHVR themselves have said the rewards from Free and Premium tracks are worth over 20 000 auric cells, i.e. $200.
The battle pass is supposed to be a monetization system, right? How does it make sense for BHVR to charge us only $10 (which you can earn back) and yet provide as $200 of value? The missing commodity here is time. To BHVR our time to complete the battle pass is worth $190 per person, more if we consider they're supposed to make a profit off it.
Yet people put absolutely no value on their time when they say the battle pass is free or only $10. They're only thinking about the money leaving their account.
In other words we are being paid to play the game.
Sounds fine to me. I'm playing the game because I want to.
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3) It doesn't affect gameplay By design it does. A player without charms or skins will see players with charms and be psychologically driven to purchase the pass to earn the charms themselves. This is the same principle as public loot boxes in other games.This is not gameplay-related.
All in all the battlepass takes nothing away from the main game. Probably the only thing it takes away from us, is the dev's time working on it rather than making fixes to the game. But we can't really fault them that, they need to make a buck.
If you are just psychologically disturbed to feel you are left out... well tough luck. Buy the pass then.
We already have auric-cell only cosmetics in the game. This is just an extension of that.
It's not a big deal to me. If it's a big deal to you.... spend the money. You are the type of person the Pass is designed for.
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Are you John Titor?
How are you playing with dedicated servers?
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It's to make Ruin more powerful.
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You mean Nurse isn't an easy 4K anymore? Sounds good to me.
PS - I didn't bother clicking on the video.
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Was going to say it's not a pig nerf, I get that we're all paranoid about the Pig hate vibe BHVR is giving off but this is not a pig nerf, even if it weren't a bug as Peanits mentioned.
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@Fibijean said:
Unpopular opinion, from what I've seen, but I wish they hadn't touched instaheals and I hope they don't touch moris. The reason being Dead By Daylight is not a competitive game in the sense that there is no disadvantage to losing every once in a while. So for me, I don't really care if something is balanced if it's fun, and there's something really fun about how absurdly overpowered things like moris, keys and instaheals are. It's so ridiculous it's hilarious. To me, removing them feels like taking something away from the character of the game, and that's a loss.
But I understand that that's not most people's experience, so I get why most feel that balance ought to be the ultimate goal.
This is actually a respectable opinion, and something I can wrap my head around, but the truth is it feels bad whenever I get mori'd within a minute of the match starting.
I know I can just move on to the next game, but it still makes me feel worse than it should.
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The devs do not favor either side.
Both sides are receiving balance updates to make the game better as a whole. Although we might individually disagree with the direction they are taking the game at times, they are making changes based on data from match statistics as well as player feedback.
I know it looks like they are tonedeaf devs who have no idea what they are doing most of the time, but in truth they are taking the steps they deem best based on actual play feedback and stats. The changes they make work for the most part, even if it looks really bad to half of us -- because half of us are playing killers and the other half survivors (with a small intersect of those who regularly play both). Changes that affect one group will invariably annoy that group, but that's how balancing goes in asymmetrical games.
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@humanbeing1704 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/750511#Comment_750511
that as well although I didn't buy any shard killers with shards lmao
Heheh some people are okay with buying them all at launch. Nothing wrong with that. You guys support my playing habit, basically. Big thanks to you dedicated players!
I would rather have licensed killers/survivors over original killers/survivors in general, not a knock on the quality of DBD's original content, but it's fun playing with licensed stuff.
It's why games like Super Robot Wars are my favorite.
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@Grimbergoth said:
I dont know if its because im ancient and I know where the term free to play comes from , or its just people cant seem to understand the actual words they are speaking ...
There are two types of online games , subscription based , and free to play . These are not terms referring to the cost of the program . You dont go buy the newest expansion of WoW and say im subscribing it , no your buying it . So why is it so hard for people to understand that if you are not paying a monthly fee to play a online game with a real support system that that is free to play . I mean look at the words themselves for crist sake , Free = no cost , to , play , not free to buy or purchase .
Try to understand things from a developers side , all the things you want cost money for them to do , balances , nerfs , rebalancing this or that , dedicated servers , new content . those things takes 100's and 1000's of labor hours a day , A DAY . Those hours cost money , thus games are in one of two classes , subscription or free to play .
Now think about this , would you rather have free content with dcl's or expansions still costing you to buy like every other game on the market , and pay a $15 subscription price per month , or would you rather deal with being able to sit back get some things for free but not all and deal with micro transactions . There is also the third option and that seems to be what a lot of people on this forum have been acting like and that is they want everything free and the company to go bankrupt in the next few months .
This will be my last post on this matter as I feel like im trying to lead 100's of dodo's away from extinction and we Hopefully all know how that turned out ...
You are actually wrong. Games are not divided between "Subscription" and "Free to Play" the way you describe it.
Free to Play means something entirely different from what you are saying.
Free to Play means you can play most or all of the game without paying. That means you don't even buy the game for $10 off of steam. It is literally going to be free to download and install. The usual model for Free-To-Play games these days is the Freemium model.
It is not the polar opposite of Subscription models.
Dead by Daylight is neither a Subscription game or a Free-To-Play game. If you're as old as you say, better learn about how the gaming world actually works, because your knowledge is the equivalent of an 8-year old's who doesn't have any grasp of business and economics. And an inability to use punctuation marks properly, for that matter.
And no, I do not want to buy the game, buy the DLC, and pay $15 subscription a month. Hell no. If that ever happened to DBD I would stop playing and move on to Friday the 13th.
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The only reason I want an original killer/survivor over a licensed one, is so I can buy it with shards instead of real money.
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Interesting.
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@Kerbert said:
I dont DC against Legion, but he is very boring to play as and against
I like playing against Legion. He is just stabbing everywhere.
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Legion can at least kill people. Mettle of Man never even activates.
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Wait how does the new upcoming change work?
So in T1 Myers automatically has Undetectable? So unless I'm running Rabbit I don't need M&A anymore?
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Yessss come to the dark side. Don't listen to people who say Legion is weak. Play what is fun for you!
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@ArecBalrin said:
Context: insta-heals have recieved a 'paper-nerf' only after they have been made irrelevant by several other game changes and meaningful survivor-buffs. These are the only forms of nerfs survivors ever get, done purely so they can make their lol-lists of 'extensive nerfs' they've recieved and pretend they are somehow on-par with the hundreds of undiluted nerfs killers have got.
Right, so self-healing going from like 12 seconds to 30 seconds is a "paper-nerf"
Window vaults getting auto-blocked is a "paper-nerf"
Utterly gutting MoM is a "paper-nerf."
The entire Endgame Collapse mechanic is a "paper-nerf."
Get over yourself. These are huge, game-changing nerfs and are not "diluted" any more than Killer nerfs.
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@Peanits said:
Yes, we did. They were far too powerful and didn't take any planning or skill to use. Any time you got hit, you could use it to get a free health state. You could even use a syringe after the killer downs a survivor to completely negate the entire chase and reset them back to healthy. It was definitely too much.
Yes, because Ebony Moris take tons of planning to use. Because Iri Hatchets take tons of though to use. And they're so hard to use! I mean imagine, you have to be able to click the a circle in the Loadout menu without clicking outside it! So much skill required. Oh yes, real brain burner there.
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Not surprised, this is the direction they've been taking for the past year. Buff Killer Stealth, Nerf Survivor Stealth.
It leaves me salty as a Stealth Survivor.
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Nurse: Survivors hate her because she kills them easy with no counterplay at the highest levels. Killers hate her when they can't master her. They will never admit it but deep down in their heart they resent her because they reveal that they are not amazing at the game as they thought.
Leatherface: Survivors hate him for basement camping. Killers, hate him because he is weak.
Hillbilly: Survivors hate him because he always has BBQ and they know they are in for a game of locker hiding.
Freddy: Nobody hates Freddy right now. Except for me, because his Dreamworld kills my framerates.
Huntress: Hatchet Hitboxes/Iridescent Head. -> You are correct here finally we agree on something.
Demogorgon: Nobody hates Demogorgon, except for the small subset of people who hate his chase music.
Legion: Survivors don't hate Legion. Killers don't either. Only Legion Mains hate Legion.
Hag: Because she forces them to crabwalk or die.
Myers: Nobody hates Myters. He's fun and awesome.
Ghost Face: Everyone hates Ghostface for his wonky Reveal mechanics.
Doctor: Only Stealth Players hate Doctor.
Wraith: Survivors all hate Wraith because he is the ######### king of camping and tunneling.
Trapper: Survivors hate him because they were stupid enough to fall into his traps. (yes happens to me all the time!)
Pig: Only Pig Mains hate pig these days.
Spirit: Survivors hate her because she is the hardest killer to verse in a chase. Killers hate her because they see her as No Skill EZ Mode
Clown: Nobody hates Clown. Not even when he uses his Red Perfume Add On Thing.
Plague: Everyone hates plague. Survivors hate her because she's damned if you do, damned if you don't. The Shrubs hate her because they can't heal properly. The Elites hate her because she makes scrubs cleanse and they die as a result. Killers hate her because she is "just an M1 Killer" with a useless power that only Survivors have control over.
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How about we just remove AddOns from Nurse altogether. Would that make you happy?
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She doesn't need one but we Survivor Mains would be pretty happy if she gets one.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743224#Comment_743224
Hmmm.
I honestly couldn’t see them tinkering with anything but Prayer Beads. Everything else about how Spirit already functions is balanced with drawbacks that a Spirit player needs to learn skills in order to work around those drawbacks.
I just don't like facing Spirit and I'm bad at versing her unless I'm packing Iron Will and maybe No Mither. Don't mind me I'm just salty against spirit.
I haven't been using Iron Will lately since I've been playing around with non-stealth builds.
Also part of the reason why I'm not so good against Hag lately. I used to easily mess with Hag (even if the rest of my team died) when I used to play stealth, mostly because I always had Urban on.
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I'm not salty.
As a No-Skill Survivor Main I'm pretty happy with the change.
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@Endstille said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/93806/i-am-smelling-something-toxic-owo
You know that is exactly the Problem, you Play one side and don't bother to actually understand your Problem. If you only had taken the time to Play addonless Nurse you would be able to see what is causing Problems for a Nurse but no sit back and cry for nerf.
There is more to counterplay than to get out of her sight but why explain it to you? You cried and you got your nerf.
Weren't you the guy who was claiming to be an R1 expert at both killer and survivor, yet crying over how Survivors bully all killers up to the red ranks? Then started talking about how Koreans eat live fish...
Sorry, your opinion on Nurse is sketchy at best. Actually your opinion as a killer feels like that of a newb rather than a seasoned expert. And definitely not the opinion of anyone who has good experience and skills with Nurse.
So tell me, you seem to "understand the Problem" tell me what exactly is the problem? What is wrong with Nurse, what is not wrong with Nurse, and what should BHVR do instead of the current proposed nerf? How do you play against Nurse as a survivor, what are the ways to counter her and stay alive?
You talk big telling someone they only play one side, it's pretty clear to me you don't even play survivor much. Probably not even Killer much. But if you can explain these things maybe I'll change my opinion.
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@justarandy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/744559#Comment_744559
Where did I say it's the survivor fault? I'm saying that they are shooting their own knee with agreeing to this basekit change. Reading skills missing mate?
"SURVIVOR MAINS, YOU ARE SHOOTING YOUR OWN KNEE WITH THIS NURSE NERF"
Don't talk about other people lacking reading skills when you don't understand how English works.
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@justarandy said:
You probably think "yaaaay red ranks is going to be better, no sweaty Nurse mains anymore" but you forgot one thing: they will start maining spirit and we all know spirit is much more unfun than nurse. So yeah, enjoy your spirit matches 70+% of the time.
I'm not worried, Spirit will be nerfed in a few months.
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Good for you, I just hate getting the game cut short like that.
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@Awakey said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/742358#Comment_742358
Neither of which are an issue.
Speak for yourself.
There is nothing worse than looking at the offering screen and seeing a blacked out killer offering, then getting killed after first hook.
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@ad19970 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/742358#Comment_742358
Couldn't agree more. The green mori needs a nerf too in my opinion.
I'm not against the idea of a Mori. Moris are cool.
The problem is the current implementation.
Moris are too powerful triggering off first hook. Moris should trigger only after second hook.
I get that you'll say that makes them "useless" all you save is a few seconds walking to the hook. (which are wasted by the mori animation)
But the truth is Mori on first hook is too powerful and ruins the game.
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@CrowFoxy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/744496#Comment_744496
Did anybody want self care nerfed? No. That perks is garbage.
You clearly weren't around when Self Care was still meta. Killers were crying about how infinite medkit was OP as heck. There's a reason why the perk was nerfed hard.
Obviously you're just a baby killer that doesn't know the history of this game.
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@CrowFoxy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/744258#Comment_744258
That's commentary on a weak killer. He just needs a buff no need to cry about Nurse baby surv.
I'm not crying about nurse. You're mistaking me for Mr. K.
I don't need to be told I'm a baby survivor by a killer who actually thinks survivors are tremendously stronger than killers.
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@douggie123 said:
This is getting absolutely ridiculous and beyond a joke. What do you actually want from killers to help with gens. Are we not allowed to have fun when playing you are all beyond a joke
Nurse nerf
Spirit nerf
Freddy nerf (which by the way happened and turned Freddy trash until just recently with his rework)
Why can't you all just get good at the game and stop ask for killers to be nerfed. Sadly killers aren't the power role as it is and you lot are asking for further nerfs. Get real and get good.
Spirit Nerf? What spirit nerf?
Get your head out of dreamland ser, you clearly are not in full command of your faculties.
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@AkiTheKitten said:
Both Spirit and Nurse are fine and balanced. The only problems were Prayer Beads (debatable) and 4,5 and Omega Blink.
They are not "not bad." They're actually bad. I'll give you that they aren't exactly OP, but they aren't really much fun to go against as a survivor. Especially Spirit.
That's why they are bad.
And they become worse with add-ons and certain perks. Anyone who says Slug Nurse with IF, Distressing and KO isn't ridiculous has never really gone up against good one.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743985#Comment_743985
Completing all gens and escaping ends the match for the killer, though, so I don’t think it’s an unfair comparison. The killer can’t be removed from the match but the match can be ended quickly.
BNPs may be comparatively weak for an ultra rare, but I personally think that’s because the other ultra rares are too powerful. Insta heals and ebony moris shouldn’t exist in their current state. BNPs are fair: strong, expensive, but not game breaking.
Yeah, URs are pretty much gamebreaking, especially on Killer. On Survivor only the Skeleton Key and AH Syringe are really broken. Rainbow Map and BNP aren't that amazing.
The hook timer and gen time are related in converse, but not entirely equivalent. And taht said, hooks is the better measure rather than hook time.
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Wow, must be nice on console, 360s don't work on PC.
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@OGlilSPOOK20 said:
Honestly... No clue why they even touxhed her base kit.
I hate playing against Nurse and when I saw that they were changing her add-ons, I was like "Yes, finally."
Then they said they were slightly tweaking her base kit and I was like.... Why? Her base kit is fine, her add-ons are what made her even more busted.
Well... Guess I'll be running Spine Chill & Iron Will all year round for the incoming of new Spirit mains.
Despite all the "Base kit is fine" rhetoric you've been hearing from both survivors and killers, a lot of that rhetoric is basically survivors just accepting that they are going to get slammed by killers to "git gud" and "adapt and evolve" when they talk about nurse.
While it is true that base Nurse has counters (unless they are God Nurse) it is certainly no picnic trying to verse her, and the nerf is a welcome change for me as a Survivor Main.
The dominance of nurse in the higher ranks means BHVR has some real statistics backing up the need for this change. It is a necessary nerf for the health of the game in the long term, as it will eventually allow for survivor adjustments to the new killer power level.
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I just love all the salt, Killers can't help but feel sorry for themselves.
Please, I'm microwaving some popcorn. Do continue!
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@Mr_K said:
3 seconds per blink.
6 seconds for both.
It can take 4 blinks to cross a map in order to even find survivors.
Oh wow, how tragic, meanwhile Leatherface is still walking across the map to find survivors.
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Just move on to the next game.
If it gets too bad (you get like 10 games in a row of being tunneled, has happened to me a few times) I just stop playing and do something else.
Also, if you haven't already, stop worrying about rank. I get that there are people who like to collect achievements and want to get the Rank 1 Achievement but the sooner you let go of caring about pips, the better off you'll be in this game.
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@Endstille said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743778#Comment_743778
That is where you are wrong tho.
Survivors can make mistakes and still live.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743825#Comment_743825
You are so bad.
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Where did I state I do expect to win with meme builds? I told you that meme builds are why you can get bullied as Killer. You said being bullied only happens to bad Killers which is not true. You simply have no clue what you talk About and thus make assumptions and Keep Posting without thinking first.
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I don't care where you Play, every good and decent Player out there were fine with the way base Nurse was. I challenged other People before you came along.
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Nope you came in stating it is a great day for balance since Nurse has no counter Play at all. People who state something like that are boosted and bad. Because you don't know how to Keep alive in a chase vs a good Nurse and go down within 2 blinks. You are the Kind of Player that i throw out of my SWF Group cause you are bad. I specificly stated the Basics on how to actually Play against no running back was mentioned nor running at the Nurse but this just how you argue. You are unable to comrpehend what was written and make up another Statement in your head and argue About that. clap clap sick strawman
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Nope thanks I rely on my own Plays and experience because I think that streamers are just that streamers. They are Entertainers and do what they do to entertain and not to be some Kind of switzerland advocating for good balance and want to earn Money at the end of the day.
So I asked you Questions About your streamer which you refused to answer. Was it the guy that played Nurse with broken add ons? To proof that Nurse is broken? Well i think to proof Nurse is broken he would have to do the Experiment again with no add ons equipped. He literally just proofed that Nurse add ons were broken, congratz. Literally nobody argued that they are not busted. The community asked bhvr to Change those and they went full yolo.
He didnt proof anything, equipping 3 blinks + range addons. LUL that is your proof omfg.,
5) Yes because that is how you try to impress People. You come into the discussion "GREAT DAY FOR BALANCE NURSE THE KILLER WITH NO COUNTERPLAY FINALLY NERFED" 2-3 Posts later you ask why I think that you have Trouble vs base Nurse. You tell anecdotes to impress People like why did you even Mention your Hours? Mh come on Buddy tell me, why Mention that you have more than 2k hrs in the game other than to try to impress me and others when in reality Hours do no matter at all. Your stories they do not end up, now in this post you say yes Hours do no matter, so why Mention them in the first place?
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Yeah we watched the video afterwards and no he didnt. At least i have proof of what I am capable of. And I have other Videos backing up what we do and did. What About you? How is that this legend of Player didn't beat any streamer ? Nothing to back you up but stories on top of stories. Such a joke.
Also on top of that you are grasping for straws. Rly that is all you have? He probably didnt try after one got dc. LOL
You on the other Hand try to impress with a Story About some bad Nurse which you did make chase for 5 gens. Tell me which Killer does stay on one target for 5gens?
So either the Killer was super bad or he didnt try. I dont care which it is. Yet for you was the only conclusion "that guy is superbad why he in my game dog?". Where I already gave you answers to that. Which you could also not imagine because you are super arrogant and have such small minded view.
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He proofed her add ons are busted Nothing more and Nothing less. As far as I remember from that stream he Always equipped at least an additional blink + range. That really did only proof that the add ons are broken and Nothing else.
Come on challenge him to do the same without addons. I bet you that the results are diffrent. This time have survivors actually equip instaheals, toolboxes and even map offerings. He will not have same results, far from it. Go on make it but you are a sheep you do not care for balance that is why you defend that Experiment..
It is actually very funny isn't it? You talk About korean Players and how they do not want to use Nurse and when they make their Experiment to proof exactly that they Play Nurse in the most broken state possible. LOL You can not beat that logic.
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Nope try again.
I asked you About the streamer and several other Questions, I will not repeat because you are unable to read. Try again.
Honestly dude you kinda hit rock Bottom now. So let me repeat in order to back you up you first Mention a streamer with a totally flawed Experiment, than you want to back you up with the amount of Hours that you needed to get to red ranks and now you are at " i know People and they are top Players who agree with me!!!" Everbody else just bad mkay? You know you remind me and probably all other Players of a spoiled Little Kids that when losing an Argument Claim their parents work for nintendo or Valve and Blizzard xD
Dude sorry all you have are bad Insults, you have no Points and while you Keep Posting you only bring up thought-terminating cliché. Either People agree with you or they are bad. Edgar as far as I remember is fine with base Nurse and lots of other People are too scottjund being one of them iirc.
Back any of your Points up, go ahead and make a Point that you are able to back up. I will wait, i doubt anything Comes from boosted stuff like you.
What kind of dumb argument is that?
Killers can make a million mistakes and still live. (hint: Killers can't die!)
And sure, survivors can make a mistake and live. But the game is definitely much friendlier to killers when it comes to making mistakes. Survivors can make one mistake and die.
I have seen many matches where killers make mistakes all game and survivors finish all gens, then snowball to a victory before the exit gates. You can make tons of mistakes as killer and still get 4K.
Moreover, we're talking OPTIMAL killers.
When you are fighting a top rank optimal killer making a mistake can be fatal. Especially if you're the first to make a mistake... an optimal killer can tunnel the first survivor to bring the count down to 3 and end your night with one mistake.
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@Sluzzy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743536#Comment_743536
You're totally missing the point because you don't understand what's it is like to play nurse. It was already hard enough with 2 blinks, now the survivor will gain so much distance before you get 2 blinks again you've got to succesfully land a very long range 2 blink hit again. That's not happening against good survivors! She's no longer red rank viable.
She's not red rank viable for you.
There are lots of nurses there who have no problems downing most survivors, even good ones, with 2 blinks.
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@FireHazard said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/744076#Comment_744076
The main point I was making was the people are making conclusions towards something that isn't even in a PTB yet...
And if you're a Nurse that is considered a "pro" by people you've faced... than I have no doubt in my mind they'll adjust to these changes just fine.
Its quite shocking that Survivors are also complaining about the change... shouldn't they be the ones that're cheering about it? And some Killers that have never played her are also making posts about the change... why?
Some people just have Stockholm Syndrome I guess? I'm happy with the Nurse Changes.
I can Verse Nurse fine (unless they're "pro") but it's certainly no picnic.
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@SteelDragon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743843#Comment_743843
Haddonfield, infinites, large maps like temple of purgation, the nurse nerf called "slight changes to basekit", insta heals, keys, gen rushing, un-mindgameable pallets. want me to go on?
Palette Nerfs, Window Nerfs, Healing Nerfs, MOM Nerf, DS Nerf, Leader Nerf, Ebony Moris, Insta Down and Instakill Addons, Endgame Collapse, Boarded up Coldwind Farm Jungle Gyms, Stealth Killers, A Gazillion Aura Detection Perks, Unmindgameable killers, Nerfs to Lighting, heck nerfs to Claudette's Clothing, want me to go on?
Survivors have been nerfed much more than killers. This is a FACT. It is also good for the game, because Survivors used to be too powerful and had too many unintended mechanics making them too strong.
But none of that matters to someone who can't see the game as a whole.
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That's a lot to read, I as just gonna say people tend to have a knee jerk reactions to any big nerf, and this is a big nerf.
But now I feel stupid after reading everything you wrote.
Someone please end my life for being so useless and ignorant!
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@NoShinyPony said:
Spirit is probably going to be the next killer who is getting nerfed. 🤷
This is highly-likely and something I can look forward to. But it probably won't happen at least until early next year.
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Probably too expensive to hire a music composer.
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A lot of killer mains have attested that they can't get to Rank 1 using any other killer but when they use SPirit they can easily get to Rank 1.
Spirit really is EZ Mode. It's not to say you can be braindead and win with her, it still takes skill, but she is by far the easiest killer to get good results with a low skill floor.