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@TruEternity said:
Nurse does need a nerf, she’s the killer equivalent of SB-SC-DS survivor. Anyone saying she is fine loves their killer crutches just as much as survivors love their own. I would personally like to see her blink range cut of half.As for not not seeing her much 1.Rank 9 is not where nurses are loaded, all killers are still easy to get 4k’s there 2.Console, poor performance and controls make her harder to use.
If all the survivor crutches are removed and looping is fixed, then of course nurse needs a nerf. But lets face it, its not gonna happen
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@SovererignKing said:
TruEternity said:Nurse does need a nerf, she’s the killer equivalent of SB-SC-DS survivor. Anyone saying she is fine loves their killer crutches just as much as survivors love their own. I would personally like to see her blink range cut of half.
As for not not seeing her much 1.Rank 9 is not where nurses are loaded, all killers are still easy to get 4k’s there 2.Console, poor performance and controls make her harder to use.
If they nerf her again, they might as well just delete her from the game. There would be no incentive to master a difficult to control Killer over any other Killer in the roster. You don’t put a ######### ton more work and effort into a Killer that’s harder to use just to achieve the same results in power.
Nerfing the strongest (only viable killer high rank) killer would be a pretty solid sign that devs ultimately cater towrads survivors, I guess lots of killers would quit if that ever happens, even if they dont even play nurse
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@ConsoleNurse said:
I am playing on console and i am rank 9.When i see nurse i always win she get only 1 kill or 0.Why people always say nurse needs a nerf?Because nurse is actually quite decent if you play her with a mouse and acceptable FPS. The main reason however is that survivors just want to loop the nurse like any other killer and that always goes wrong, they prefer crying about it to the devs in order to get the killer nerfed instead of adapting their playstyle
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@fullyveined said:
tru3 falls into the annoying category for me i used to like the stream but its just whining and excuses all the time these days unfortunately.It always make me shake my head when he gives away free unhooks and blames the game afterwards.
And lately he is playing a lot of survivor too, I watched him yesterday and he said slugging would be equivalent to camping and takes no skill, at that point I just closed the tab
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Someone did the math already, during the Tim of the camping the remaining survivors can do 3,5 gens and considering g that they worked on gens before the camp already, this is enough time to grant them a free escapechadnati0n said:so I’ve noticed a lot of face camping lately while playing the cannibal especially it totally holds the game hostage to camp especially with a chainsaw that has about five swings borrowed time can’t even save them. What if??... and this is a big what if.?? The dying process slows tremendous while the killer is in the vacinity o the hook I’m talking enough time to finish all gens of the killer stays. I only ask this because there’s legit NO way to save this person and still goes the killer time to find another victim before gens are completed. I know killer mains are going to argue well the survivor shouldn’t go down if he doesn’t wanna be camped but it’s inevitable a killer is goin to eventually down some doesn’t matter how good they are. Just some food for thought.
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I still have to smile when I remember about his fresh hook idea. Even though hetried to find solutions to reduce camping and tunneling, threads about his idea were just filled with insulting survivors that called him camper and didn't even read the idea^^SovererignKing said:Tru3Ta1ent. Know I’m going to get hate for this. -
It would be unfair if dbd was a hiding game, sadly this is not the case and if feels more like a nascar racing simSasukeKun said:
Sorry but all these detection perks for killers make hiding almost not an option. I see the point but still stand by the opinion, don't think it's ever fair to see auras every 2 seconds...Survivor or Killer
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I am a killer and anything is better than the current stateOutland said:@Master said:
@Shadoureon said:
Allowing killers to opt out SWF will make every killer opt out of SWF and that will make SWF people leave the game because they cant find matches and simply dont have fun solo in this game and thats not what the dev want.Give killers incentive to play against SWF; for example bonus BP
Easy fixKillers do not want a BRIBE, they want fun game play.
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I will start watching entiyiyslegthand again when the trapper buff hits. It always makes me sag when he is geting genresushed =(
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Game needs a casual mode rhenOrion said:@Jack11803 said:
DC ban should be dished out at 5%, and reset your record every month.I say 4 disconnects per month, and if you exceed that, you can't play for the rest of the month. However, this assumes that the Killer has a "Concede" option. I'll explain:
- You're not entitled to DC from a game just because it's going poorly. That ruins everyone else's fun. If you're playing Survivor, you have the option to [BAD WORD] by letting the Killer hook you.
- If your Internet is so bad that you disconnect often, then you clearly shouldn't be playing online anyway. You're ruining everyone else's game, period.
- If you have stuff to do IRL, then you shouldn't be playing anyway. However, 4 DCs allow for one emergency per week, which I'd say is a fair assumption.
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Soft camping is when you don't move to the other side of the map before the unhook hapens
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I am confused "the bully" should obviously be a survivor character
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Doc is trash at high ranks and only works against inexperienced survivors whose true rank would be way lower than their actual one.
But luckily the emblem system allows anyone to climb into the high ranks and thus gives chance for some refreshing noob games (at least on pc)
The only true viable killer is nurse, if you can't play her on console go to Billy because huntress is a chore on console probably^^
Oh and leather face is even worse than doc, such strategies only work if survivors throw themselves at the hook which is not the case in high rank anymore (maybe it still is on console, idk) -
He limited usage thing worked really well on perks like Dsthesuicidefox said:@The_Manlet said:
@thesuicidefox said:
Survivor main. Ruin is fine honestly. Either bring a toolbox, use certain perks to do skill checks/find totems, or just get good at great skill checks. Most games Ruin is gone after the first chase, it's mostly there to give the killer a chance to start up pressure on the survivors. Others I just plow through and get my 2 gens so I can hatch at least.NOED though is IMO a clutch perk. So many bad killers use it and end up getting way more kills than they rightfully deserve. And I mean just really bad killers, ones that can't catch you even when you don't loop or never kick gens or break pallets. Those killers always have a NOED and it always makes up for their lack of skill. I get games can go fast and it can be used as an ace in the hole, but good killers make better with other perks so the only ones that use it are the bad killers. If you want something for endgame that's not a crutch pick Remember Me. It's way more effective and actually takes some skill in that you have to find and hunt down your obsession. It also rewards you greatly for going after the DS guy, so now there's value in chasing them and not leaving them until the end of the game because DS.
And to be clear, DS and NOED are both equally crutchy perks for either side. Both give you a freebie for basically being bad at the game.
Survivors have tons of crutch perks outside of Decisive Strike. Self-Care and Sprint Burst both completely change the way the game is played and Adrenaline is the survivor equivalent of NOED.
I'm not disagreeing with you. But even as a killer you have to admit NOED is a crutch. Probably the only crutch killer perk, but still a crutch.
Sprint Burst is only a crutch when it triggers multiple times in a chase. I've managed to escape a lot of chases just by the luck it triggered at the right time, it was definitely helping me when I should have been dead. The exhaustion update should fix that, though I do think Vigil should allow you to recover from Exhaustion while running if at least at a reduced amount.
Self Care is almost a necessary perk, to the point it almost should be a based survivor ability. The only time it becomes a crutch is when you pair it with other crutch perks like DS or BT (which IMO isn't really a crutch on it's own but it is when combined with SC). The SC change sounds so convoluted, like all the solutions we have gotten so far. I don't get why Self Care can only have a limited number of uses unless you have a medkit in your hand in which case it would be infinite (SC use is infinite not the medkit).
Only thing I would change about Adrenaline is that it only triggers during the period when the gates are powered. If you are hooked then getting unhooked shouldn't proc Adrenaline after the fact.
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The only difference is that noed can be counteredthesuicidefox said:Survivor main. Ruin is fine honestly. Either bring a toolbox, use certain perks to do skill checks/find totems, or just get good at great skill checks. Most games Ruin is gone after the first chase, it's mostly there to give the killer a chance to start up pressure on the survivors. Others I just plow through and get my 2 gens so I can hatch at least.
NOED though is IMO a clutch perk. So many bad killers use it and end up getting way more kills than they rightfully deserve. And I mean just really bad killers, ones that can't catch you even when you don't loop or never kick gens or break pallets. Those killers always have a NOED and it always makes up for their lack of skill. I get games can go fast and it can be used as an ace in the hole, but good killers make better with other perks so the only ones that use it are the bad killers. If you want something for endgame that's not a crutch pick Remember Me. It's way more effective and actually takes some skill in that you have to find and hunt down your obsession. It also rewards you greatly for going after the DS guy, so now there's value in chasing them and not leaving them until the end of the game because DS.
And to be clear, DS and NOED are both equally crutchy perks for either side. Both give you a freebie for basically being bad at the game.
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Same applies to the survivors, you have to act like their dad and follow them to the exit gates because alone they are scared to leave I guessthesuicidefox said:@azazer said:
thesuicidefox said:the problem is 90% of Docs running this strat just refuse to let the game end in some way and just insist on dragging out the game for an eternity.
I see a pattern that the killer needs to let you do gens. It's the docs fault for dragging on the game for guarding the objective. The doc needs to commit to a chase. Why is it that it's the doc's job to lose?
Counter offer, if you want the game to end walk up to him and let him hook you. Try and Kobe, then let the entity take you back to the campfire.I do actually sometimes, and he doesn't take it. These players insist on dragging out the game. Keeping me from doing gens is fine if you kill people in the process. But if you are just not letting me do gens AND not killing anyone we are stuck in a stalemate.
This also ignores the fact that Doc isn't going to lose. If he's been doing it for more than 10 minutes that Iridescent Gatekeeper. If he got a few hooks and chases before it got to 3 gens, or even a single kill, he pips. HE ALREADY HAS WON! Yet we are still playing because...? I can't answer that.
Like really tell me what I'm supposed to do because I can't do ï and he won't kill me, despite everyone in the game probably getting a pip. What are my other options?
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Why irritating to play against? I don't have suh a feeling when I play against him which happens rather rarely because he is not the strongest killer^^thesuicidefox said:Are you aware that Doc is seriously irritating to play against? (rhetorical, that's not the question...)
Not saying he is difficult to play against. I'm saying he is irritating. It's very rare to get a game against a Doc that won't feel like your doing your taxes with a pencil and paper while chewing on tinfoil.
I ask (this is the question) is there any way we can come to an agreement of how to make Doc both a better killer and less annoying to play against? I'm not trying to start a fight here I really want to make a deal because dear God, I can't take these games anymore.
Flaming toxic posts will be reported btw. You know who you are.
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@douggie123 said:
I have played her she is level 30ish and I had three matches in a row as her 4 kills and 8 gens done in toralYeah in low rank she was amazing, 4k almost every game.
But then I started to climb the ladder and faced the classic survivors. The problem with hag is that she is supposed to snowball, what a pitty that you cant snowball if you are hit by DS and your hook is denied.
While she is amazing in some situations, I see nothign I can do against genrushers. As billy or nurse you can at least control the gens, but as hag thats pretty much ompossible unless all gens are really close in a small map -
@Sam00077 said:
If they finished every generator under 5 minutes, then there’s something else that’s wrong.You’re playing at lower ranks where people are scared and hide whenever they hear the slightest bit of noise. Don’t be surprised if they want to get out so they don’t die.
As low rank killer you regularly face high rank survivors who queue up with a single low rank survivor because the matchmaking is utterly ridiculous.
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@EpicFailTryHard said:
i got to 17 as killer again and just finished a five minute game with the nurse. hooked two but didn't camp, so they were unhooked. gens all finished in under five minutes and no one scored over 13,000 bloodpoints. really? i can understand if i was playing really aggressive (camp, tunnel) but i wasn't. this is all i see the higher i go.Genrush is the most time-efficient strategy to farm BP (emblems might be debatable)
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@Leatherbilly said:
Pretty frustrating that you can trap a narrow corridor dead center and still have survivors squeeze through like a rat.Just a small change would go a long ways in this regard.
The most frustrating thing is when the survivors hitbox is small enough to pass through the wall and the trap, but when I do the same, I get stuck in my own trap.
Not gonna lie, if that happens I will tunnel that survivor to death and then go afk in the basement
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@Adeloo said:
@Master said:
What downing animation are you refering to?
Since the pick up vacuum is gone I have to search for the survivor quite frequently after wiping my weapon btw (against non-tenacity survivors)the animation of getting downed. ^^
if you take a closer look you will see that it's longer than the animation for the killer cleaning his weapon.
So basically you have no chance to get away even a bit.After I wipe my weapon, how do you explain that the survivor already crawled away from teh position he was downed? Not sure whether I understand you
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@Undead2314 said:
I just hit rank 8 and I hate it as the salty tea bagging, flashlighters are there, I'm having trouble playing trapper who is my favorite and have to resort to billy more often than not and there is literally no fun to be had, the whole match as killer youre just praying they dont break ruin, theres not a flashlighter nearby, you can make this hook, the gens arent getting done all at the same time. I feel as though when I play as killer theres never enough hooks but always more pallets and vice versa as survivor, I cant have anywhere near as much fun as I normally do in the lower ranks where people are still human and not androids only seeking to win or piss you offForget about trapper till midchapter patch hits =(
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I purchased hag with shards and play her now, just waiting for the midchapter patch to buff her
And no, hag is nowhere near op lol, maybe try her yourself and have fun being genrushed
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@BOSS242 said:
Master said:@BOSS242 said:
I think it's funny that PS4 has been told by some of the PC folks to shut up be patient and it'll be there when it there! Stop annoying us and just deal!!
While on behalf of all ps4 players... As far as the mid-chapter patch update information goes SHUT UP, BE PATIENT AND THEY'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN ITS THERE! Really give us grief when ours is weeks late but starting to ######### and it's two weeks away?!?!
And dont worry, I'm sure the devs all personally play on PC so it matters to them and they'll make sure you guys get everything right on time.
Bitching?
Do you even read sometimes before you trashtalk?
Sorry I believe it was the "plebstation" attack that made me think you were being rude. Maybe that was a typo, my bad
I only started being rude after your comment
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@BOSS242 said:
I think it's funny that PS4 has been told by some of the PC folks to shut up be patient and it'll be there when it there! Stop annoying us and just deal!!While on behalf of all ps4 players...
As far as the mid-chapter patch update information goes SHUT UP, BE PATIENT AND THEY'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN ITS THERE!
Really give us grief when ours is weeks late but starting to ######### and it's two weeks away?!?!
And dont worry, I'm sure the devs all personally play on PC so it matters to them and they'll make sure you guys get everything right on time.
Bitching?
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@flamestandish said:
@Master said:
@esn23 said:
As a survivor main I notice how utterly uselss struggling is.. They should either make a perk for the survivor that lets them struggle out faster or just get rid of it.. It only works on noob killers that don't know what a hook is or super greedy killers who want to go across the map to the basement.. I think it needs to be worked on or taken out of the game because it is just useless..Struggling was only introduced that the killer cant carry all his victims into his basement. It was never meant to be a possibility for the survivor to escape the grasp (that would be insane, imagine if that was a thing) and in fact bodyblocking in front of the hook became a thing to abuse this mechanic
I have to correct you there. There is a score category which is for taking hits while a survivor is within a killers grasp. Blocking a killer from hooking or walking through a doorway whilst carrying a survivor was ALWAYS INTENDED as a way to escape the killers grasp.
Edit to add: A killer has the option to hit a bodyblocking survivor. They always have the power to make them move!.
Yeah yeah just hit the bodyblocking surivor, too bad that there are 3 of them and they can effectively deny the hook with that
But killers are not allowed to bodyblock the survivor away from the unhook button # double standards
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@Tasty said:
For SWF it got harder to genrush, loop and annoy the Killer. The killer has a better oppertunity of killing a survivor. Yet all killers that have played for a long time, tend to camp/tunnel, wherefor escaping gets quite hard without certain perks. As a result the killer is mad because they use those perks, and then start using their own great perks and still tunnel. It would never be solvable but if the killer is able to get an easy kill, then that's a 25% chance per match. If the Killer chooses to tunnel you, you're dead. It's from both sides (survivor and killer) unkind and I wished the dev team would make the game so that you cant stay next to the hook when someone hangs on it.For SWF it got harder to genrush and annoy the killer? Please explain that (Also a SWF is supposed to annoy the killer? Lol)
Btw, as survivor you are not entitled to survive
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Just yesterday I was tunneled by a legacy dwight with a ligthsabre, no matter what I did he always followed and clicked at my face. After a few minutes I decided to get rid of this shining boy, he didnt like that treatment though and was quite salty in the chat afterwards
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Maybe its time for some new flags?
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@Shadoureon said:
Allowing killers to opt out SWF will make every killer opt out of SWF and that will make SWF people leave the game because they cant find matches and simply dont have fun solo in this game and thats not what the dev want.Give killers incentive to play against SWF; for example bonus BP
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@Dwight_Confusion said:
Mid chapter patch isn't even due for another week or 2. So chill.PS4 doesn't even have the [BAD WORD] DLC kid.
Stop.
Just because the DLC took ages on the plebstation, that doesnt mean that devs sat in their office doing nothing
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Lately I had quite some fun trashtalking with the solo players about the 3 man SWF who got completely rekt by throwing each other at the hook
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How can a DBD player message you on your phone? Just curious
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@Poweas said:
Eh if he could instadown without using an addon he'd be OP.He would still be weaker than huntress and billy, but thats only my opinion
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@GT_Legend2 said:
Fill me in, boisPretty weak, it tells enough already that I only versed him 3 or 4 times since the DLC a month ago ( I missed the first three days palying though)
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@TheTimeMachine said:
@Eninya @PinkPants @Master
I appreciate your time. Does anyone feel that rank 1-10 survivors have gotten better?- if that’s possible? I could’ve swore gen rushing wasn’t as crazy (although sometimes it would) in the past years.
I played Doctor, Hag, Hillbilly, and Shape when I was high ranked; The trick I found was to sometimes NOT hook a downed survivor. Or NOT chase an injured survivor sometimes.
I wonder if these tricks would still work...Genrushing has definitely become worse since the depip squad demonstrated how broken it is.
In fact I didnt even knew that if 2 survivors work on a gen, that the gentime isnt just halfed and if you want to play efficient every survivor takes his own gen.The depip experiment tried to show how broken the balance currently is, it was succesful in that way, but sadly the devs ignored it and the survivors know their power now
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@vrael77 said:
Maybe for you, but Curtain Call isn’t out for everyone yet boi.
so u can expect it to be a little while probably honestly who knows maybe someone does.Doesnt matter, the devs have to stick to their release schedule.
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@SpitfireOrMichina said:
I was realy enjoyed about new pallets. Much fair for killers, and more realistic. Vaccum was a real pain. But now, sometimes it's just bullshit. When runing, pallets drop is just too extreme. Killers can now hit you through the pallet during your drop... It's annoying afI have no problems dropping a pallet and when the killer can hit you before the stun, then you need to drop the pallet earlier.
It might take some time to get used to it, but I was fine after a few days
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@Tizzle said:
Allowing Killers to queue out of SWF would kill the game.What Killer would queue into SWF even with double bloodpoints?????
Because of double bloodpoints.
I would definitely consider going against a sweaty SWF if I get rewarded for that.
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@deadbydaylightfan said:
I play SWF with my friends it’s what makes it fun for me i don’t mind playing against a swf lobby because I play for fun if your a good killer you’ll be able to kill a swf lobby no problem or adleast get 2-3 of them you tubers who play this game play it with friends there’s no reason to be angry or irritated about people having fun I’ll admit some of them can be toxic but you always have an option to leave you’d know if they’re a swf lobby if they all load in at the same time so it’s completely avoidable so unless you want to lose a chunk of the player base by dividing them and giving them no insentive to play such removing their rank and emblem gain just because them and they’re friends wanted to play together that’s pretty crappy nglIts not fun to be bullied.
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@douggie123 said:
Right we have all just had a double BP weekend which comes to an end very soon how has everyone done.Really bad, I climbed way too high and I regret it deeply. Currently watching some netflix and deranking and even at rank 12 I still face several red ranks queueing with a low rank mate. Its just sad....
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@TheTimeMachine said:
I was once a rank 1 Killer, and always played off-meta; But now that I’ve decided to play more survivor, I’ beginning to feel how boring it gets when just about every Killer runs the same perks. It’s tiring.
What are your thoughts? Do you (any rank Killer players) feel that these perks are such a necessity? Have you made it to rank 1 without heavy use of these perks.
I’m seriously considering coming out of retirement to show these new age Killers how it’s done.
I very rarely play against NOED, usually it gets clansed instantly or doesnt even activate because survivors went through all the totems while searching for ruin. I stopped using NOED on my killers aswell (sometimes on trapper though)
Ruin is mandatory because of how fast the gens pop. Yeah it can be annoying but I see it as great-skillcheck practice and its actually insane how fast you can do a gen if you hit great skillchecks all the time (without ruin)
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I would put huntress into A-tier, nurse is clarly above any other killer in my opinion because huntress can be looped by a competent survivor too.
Then Id move clown down to B tier because without the insta down addon he is rather weak and you cant play every game with it.
Then switch leatherface with michaelAnd freddy belongs next to wraith in my opinion, yes he gets genrushed easily and this is exactly the problem. A killer that has to rely on endgame is simply trash, especially since the emblem system doesnt reward it
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@MineAntoiya said:
BLUE BABY HAT HAG
Just sad that the skin is aura-cells only. Im not gonna give devs anymore money before they fix the core balance issues of the game
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@skvirl said:
Doctor. Because he's just a walking radar, so it takes less skill for him to find people..I mean, in so many situations him finding you is based on if you scream or not (yay, RNG!). Do you like to play just a teeny tiny bit stealthy, or prefer to break chases by outplaying and then hiding? Tough luck, you'll scream at random, giving yourself away. Wow, much skill. And then there's the obnoxious 3-gen strat and build which some docs like to run. It just stretches the game time to infinity and beyond, without him necessarily getting more kills. It's extremely boring.There are ways how to stealth against doc too, its just a bit more difficult and doesnt work all the time
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@LukeThe13th said:
^Leatherface!!! so bloody annoying he can knock you down with one hit
I really hate playing against freddy even if it is quite easy to escape usually.
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@Jack11803 said:
Odd they don’t nerf gen rush, but keep nerfing PS4 NA dlc speed...Well they try to keep vacuum for NA survivors as long as possible (devs live there btw, what a coincidence
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@esn23 said:
As a survivor main I notice how utterly uselss struggling is.. They should either make a perk for the survivor that lets them struggle out faster or just get rid of it.. It only works on noob killers that don't know what a hook is or super greedy killers who want to go across the map to the basement.. I think it needs to be worked on or taken out of the game because it is just useless..Struggling was only introduced that the killer cant carry all his victims into his basement. It was never meant to be a possibility for the survivor to escape the grasp (that would be insane, imagine if that was a thing) and in fact bodyblocking in front of the hook became a thing to abuse this mechanic
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@Orion said:
How do you know they're cheating, exactly?Sometimes its quite obvious when the slugged survivor in front of you drives around the nascar racetrack faster than you