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Homages aren’t a thing, I guess.
The OG trio are all clearly inspired by certain big slashers. Jason, Predator, and Bubba/The Hills Have Eyes respectively. That doesn’t mean a license fell through. On the contrary, it likely means they never got it in the first place. There’s evidence of another “Bob” killer that was inspired by Myers, before they got the big man himself and “Bob” was made redundant.
Slinger x Scorpion: Mechanically, maybe, but the character is completely different. Scorpion is also not a horror character.
Twins x Xenomorph: No shot
Trickster x Joker: Not sure where this one even comes from. Joker isn’t even a horror character. Moreover, they recruited a K-pop group for this chapter. Even if they landed a DC license, it must’ve fallen through very early in development.
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I comboed it with Dark Devotion on Plague. Very interesting gimmick build.
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@AJStyIez said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3350029#Comment_3350029
Make it based on reality? The reality is that 99% of people feel the same way about this chapter lol. That’s not an opinion either, look around the forums you’re on and look around the internet. Look at the literal hundreds of long term customers/players/fans stating publicly that they won’t be spending their money on this chapter for the same reasons you claim aren’t a part of reality and the thousands of people upvoting those same takes confirming their support. People sponsored by BHVR and others that make their living off of this game (With the most incentive to click-bait/hype something) even agree, that should tell you something considering they usually never go this hard on content even when it’s been mediocre in the past
The reality is that you guys come off as very salty that you’re in the minority this time around for Tools of Torment. Like I said before, I find it interesting how when a new chapter comes out nobody ever gatekeeps the positive feedback, only the negative
i see very few ever telling people “Hey, you can’t randomly claim this upcoming chapter is amazing and one of the best based off random quirks and biased fandom. Stop promoting overly-optimistic talking points and sexualizing the characters on the internet to show BHVR your support! Make it based on reality and not nitpicking”
But a lot are conveniently around to do damage control and debate with people who aren’t fans of the content though. God forbid somebody does the same exact thing as others (providing their feedback based off their own preferences combined with the consensus across all corners of the community) but it’s not blind praise, we’re expected to provide a dissertation to prove ourselves
Ok so to start off, I was rather frustrated when I responded to you. My reponse was unnecessarily hostile because of that, so my apologies for that.
Criticism is and always has been fine. However, your aesthetic list contained some blatant falsehoods that rubbed me wrong, and still do:
Your first point is completely made-up, and the parts that aren't have already been covered plenty by others. The chapter being a Predator "rip-off" is not criticism, it's an insult.
Reused animations is not an issue. Why even bring this up? This comes off as bashing the devs for the sake of it. Every video game reuses assets in some way.
She doesn't look like Trickster. At all. The fact you even brought this up is not a good look. The pixie hair is obviously made from the ground up as well. Yes it's similar to Nea's, but crucially, Merchant has it by default.
As for your subjective points:
Her walk cycle looks a bit off, I'll give you that. But even when corrected, it's still not out of place. She fulfills an archetype that we don't have yet. Unbridled feminine confidence. Yeah, her lore was a bit sloppily written, but it still works if you accept the fact she's living out a fantasy. Also, of all things, her name isn't bland.
The TR could do with a longer loop, I agree there. GF's original chase was far worse, though. I know too little of music theory to say whether it was "low-effort", but I highly doubt that it wasn't made with effort.
The mori I agree on. Getting real tired of you using "lazy" as a go-to insult, though. The drones should play a bigger part. I saw someone on twitter use the drone as a distraction to the survivor before the blades go in, and it looked cool.
Your 99% here is also outright false. Yes I'm in the minority, but I'm nowhere near the only one. Nor is that even an argument in itself.
I am "salty" because the overwhelming majority of criticisms given this PTB were knee-jerk reactions or simply false. Nobody benefits from that. I'm nowhere near clever enough to make proper calls regarding balance, so I don't. And I don't really care for the survivors either way. I read that people are generally happy with them, so I am happy for them.
Of course nobody gatekeeps positive feedback. If you have nothing to complain about, why would you??
I am interested in being fair to the people who face endless negativity as it is. It is perfectly fine to dislike a chapter, but please, for everyone's sake, don't base your opinion on falsehoods, knee-jerk reactions or the ever-present "we hate BHVR" bandwagon.
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@Marc_123 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3350830#Comment_3350830
A real option should be - hold 1 button to wiggle - or - auto wiggle option.
Some new games have such things like auto Quicktime events and so.
But in a game where QTE’s are actively changing what happens to a match, why would you ever not enable this? Auto QTE’s only work in story focused games, as failing them takes the player out of the experience.
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The other “main” cenobites would be my pick. They’re already referenced in the very rare add-ons.
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https://twitter.com/buitengebieden/status/1627358602712186881?s=46&t=-rpCN3BT6HCa0yBuSofrMg
I know for a fact Mandy’s already seen this, but-
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That’s a very weird comparison to make, but ok.
I imagine it’s got to do with rendering, motion sickness, and the like.
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I'm sure they will. She's the only post-2.0 killer remaining without unique themes.
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@RainehDaze said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3350062#Comment_3350062
It hasn't been a week, but for all the implementation complexity, the utilisation complexity is very low. Her drones are low number, have a big cooldown, can't be close, are highly visible, and have a massive delay on activation (and this, the delay before stealth starts, and the visibility, really neuter its utility). Furthermore, she's not introducing anything on a gameplay front that isn't familiar with experience with existing Killers.
All it boils down to is: can you get LoS with the drone for 10s by dropping it? If not, it's info, and her addons don't really add much except giving her a little speed bump or actual aura reading. If you can't use this to mindgame the loop, then it does nothing. If the Survivor's not pinched in, they'll just go to the next tile. if they're injured, it does nothing..
And as area denial, 'info on where Survivors are' is not a new concept. You just put it where they're going to go to find that out, and hope they're daft enough to get exposed.
Yeah, the connection with Predator is easily made. But how are drones related to Predator? Wraith, of all killers, does the Predator schtick way more accurately. It's just her weapon and colour scheme. That's it. And it's not like we don't have original killers that are homages to IP's. The OG trio, Legion, Spirit to a lesser degree.
She utilises high tech toys (including advanced stealth) in order to hunt down human game and kills them by shanking 'em with a wrist-mounted claw. Also has a mask, her background places her in a jungle setting, and her mori is exactly appropriate for a 7' tall alien stealth monster.
The similarities are quite notable, even if the implementation wouldn't be identical.
See this is fair criticism. I take no issue with this, and I agree with all of this except the last bit (leaving the bit below the quote for now). Doc gets pings, Merchant gets perfect info, as limited as it is. Nevertheless, I've seen some people on twitter already making creative plays with her, which tells me there's plenty to be discovered about her.
I'm not saying there aren't similarities, but tell me why she can't just be BHVR's take on Predator? What's the crime in her not being the Predator?
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@RainehDaze said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3350033#Comment_3350033
All that suggests is that BHVR committed too hard on this idea without actually soliciting sufficient feedback and testing first.
I mean, yeah, but that feels way more likely than what people are implying.
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@RainehDaze said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3350029#Comment_3350029
Hmm, the wall break looked like Nemmy's from the Killer perspective.
It's entirely probable that they're using different animations. Remember, Bubba's first person anims look nothing like the third person ones.
I mean, yeah, but I'm getting very tired of the vast majority of the complaints being nonsensical, hypocritical, completely false or just made-up.
Even if they reused Nemmy's animation, that's still a frankly stupid complaint. Almost every killer released upto Nemesis himself reuses breaking animations. It's a non-issue. They look weird, yes, but that's a different issue.
The people saying they reused Trickster's face are on something, 'cause that's a yikes.
Some say she looks bad because she looks like a comic book villain. Her lore literally states she's reenacting a killer from her father's manga.
Yeah, the connection with Predator is easily made. But how are drones related to Predator? Wraith, of all killers, does the Predator schtick way more accurately. It's just her weapon and colour scheme. That's it. And it's not like we don't have original killers that are homages to IP's. The OG trio, Legion, Spirit to a lesser degree.
Yeah, she's weak. Not a single soul is claiming she isn't. But can we please stop pretending like we already know every trick in the book regarding how to use hers? It hasn't even been a week.
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@AJStyIez said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3349124#Comment_3349124
Off the top of my head based off the analysis we have available
Aesthetics
- Human Killer that fits the 'conventionally attractive female character with lazy cosmetic' & 'Glorified Survivor skin' tropes. Predator ripoff
- Recycled animations (Her wall break is Nemesis' for example). Her grab is janky and needs polishing
- She has Nea's pixie head and Trickster's exact face with very minor tweaks to both. Reusing assets is fine for certain things, but not when its this low-effort
- Her walking animation is more seductive than intimidating and doesn't look like it belongs in DBD... Thousands of people agree that she looks out of place and doesn't instill any sense of fear. Although Trickster has a similar gimmick, his lore was objectively WAY more fleshed out and tied WAY better into his cosmetics than this lady so far. The lore also doesn't really tie well with her name, its very bland and low-effort
- Obnoxious 1.5 second loop Terror Radius. Low effort, no personality behind it. Arguably one of the worst if not the worst in the game
- The laziest Mori in the entire game. This is embarrassing to unveil in 2023 considering the content we already had/have access to over the years
- Most of the visual effort obviously went into reworking Shelter Woods and Red Forest
Power
- M1 Killer (already a flaw in today's DBD economy)
- Her kit is several different gimmicks slapped into one. She's a jack of several trades, master of none which is literally the worst design to use for the weakest Killer archetype in the game (M1s). This once again shows how uninspired/messy the chapter comes off as. Its trying to do so much at once that it winds up doing nothing
- Just like Knight, using her power mostly for scouting/chasing is objectively worse than using it purely for area denial and excessive camping. This promotes unhealthy gameplay loops that BHVR and the community unanimously agree is not the direction they want to go in
- Will become very unenjoyable in top % lobbies due to being pigeonholed into certain strats if there aren't major tweaks made
- Her power is literally so bad that even people who enjoy her can't even deny this. We have a large pool of evidence to suggest that she won't receive the proper care before its too late. Remember when they finally listened to people about the Knight and he still maintained his place on the 'Killers that make people DC/grief and complain on the internet' list? The Knight even after his buffs hasn't had his reputation changed, what makes this any different?
Everything Else
- The Survivors were given useful perks that encourage the very things that the community/Devs claim to want to minimize (Tunneling/Camping). I've even seen you advocate against excessive tunneling/camping IIRC, so how is this not problematic?
- Two Survivors in the same chapter is double the effort for collecting perks. Having siblings is a dope concept on the surface level, but when its actually time to purchase and grind the chapter I promise you hundreds/thousands will choose not to specifically for this (not to mention the Killer herself)
- Underwhelming chapters like this take away resources/time from other much more important projects that would have a greater impact on DBD's health/longevity and player-count. Chucking out poor content just to meet quotas is usually obvious to fans and pushes more players away than they'll gain from this. Even if you personally like the new Killer, its objectively failing in several categories
Positives
- Chapter provides representation that resonates with people in the community
- Chapter provides more reworks to maps which is (or should be) one of BHVRs top 5 priorities
- Killer introduces a new interaction that doesn't involve basic skillchecks
your list of aesthetics are blatantly false, and subjective.
Her face:
https://twitter.com/tiger_was_alone/status/1626935556503490561?s=20Her wall break is quite obviously not Nemesis'. I'm sorry but this is hilariously obvious from the survivor PoV.
Her walk is too slow. It's not out of place, it's too slow, so that it looks she's gliding.
Criticism is fine, but please make it based on reality.
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This, although people did in fact complain about Vittorio being horny bait. That was the whole marketing theme behind him.
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Is it clear as day, though?
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I’ve had a lot of Huntresses that facecamped. Even more than I had Bubbas do it.
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I just hope they use them as sparingly as possible.
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You do realise that a VAC ban would then be extended to every online game, which would mean the account just cannot play online games anymore?
Like, you’re entertaining the possibility of someone ‘reforming’, but then propose that they shouldn’t even be given the chance.
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@Blinckx said:
There's also a big Lore problem that doesn't make any sense. The realms are created by the entity using the memories of the killers, but somehow the SM's memories are superimposed on those of Evan McMillan (Trapper) as his "base of operations" is located in Shelter Woods which, in fact, does part of the Trapper's realm. This doesn't make any sense and it's a huge mistake by Lore. Why did the entity recreate a specific part of a specific realm using the memories of a killer who was never there? What connection does SM have with the Trapper? Although the Lore of DbD is not perfect and has some holes, it is all in all usual and I have always found it pleasant to read here this modification to the map to add this killer and force the lore in a completely unnatural way is just the umpteenth piece of how badly this chapter is done
Temple of Purgation and Father Campbell’s Chapel have done this already.
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Low priority, I guess.
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Adriana.
Also, please go easy on the copium.
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The "no counterplay" argument only really holds up when the effect is big enough.
In the case of tunnelling, that's a survivor being denied the ability to even play the game. In the case of flashlights (which do have their counters), its effect lasts less than 5 seconds, and is rarely helpful for the survivor at all.
You got a point about the information given to the killer, but the rest comes off as you just being annoyed.
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Submit a request – Dead by Daylight
You can submit tickets here
Be sure to attach a link to any evidence you have.
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With 2 chapters a year you get very long spans of content drought. I doubt a live-service game can handle that.
3 might be better.
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@KingFieldShipper said:
Real question - am I the only one who thinks she looks cool?
no you are not
we are very much in the minority, though
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Yes, and I feel like a contrarian for daring to even think it.
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@Emoba said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3346830#Comment_3346830
No amount of censoring does make sense, really. It's a +18 game revolving around a killer trying to gruesomely kill 4 humans trying to escape, ffs. Chat filter is yet another absurd addition to the game that nobody asked for.
slurs should absolutely be censored, though
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I mean, as far as Prime rewards in general go, this feels fairly standard. It’s just that DbD has a really inconsistent precedent with what it throws on there.
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@Mandy said:
Were these playing in Live matches on the PTB or in Custom Games?
My screenshot is from a custom game pre-lobby in the PTB.
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this
couldnt agree more
y'all are just mean
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Jesus Christ
You make these as if you get paid for it
greatly appreciated
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ooh
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Autoclicking how?
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Keep in mind that when he's drawing a patrol, he has no terror radius. He may have been closer than you thought. Also, he now gets a speed boost after drawing a long patrol.
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It's a replacement. Shack is still in the same place, as are the majority of maze tiles.
The big tree was moved to the side, and now the... site is smack dab in the middle.
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I don't think so. Realm Beyond updates are primarily focused on looks. Not so much the balance.
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@PrincessCalla said:
That skeleton bird charm is nightmare fuel haha.
This new one however, is cute. I also like the one with swimming thingie. :)
I’m sorry to say that all but the Feathers of Pride charm are locked behind an expiring/expired code or rifts that have already passed.
which is a crime in itself
@Mooks said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3345526#Comment_3345526
Never enough!
weren’t there multiple LGBTQ+ themed birb icons which Feathers of Pride was based on one of them? We need all of those!
Yes
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@TheArbiter said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3345541#Comment_3345541
I understand clipping is going to happen sometimes, but I feel like in this scenario it could've easily been caught in QA and then the shard's height could be slightly adjusted.
But it's an issue with the hat, and not so much the body piece. You can change the body piece of this outfit all you want but in any other it's still gonna clip through the hat.
the hat needs to flop upward, methinks.
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@Crowman said:
I still think we need more crow charms.
By my count, we're at 7!
Blighted Crow
Feathers of Pride my beloved
Raven Heart
Stuffed Crow
Undead Crow
Skeletal Crow
Vacation Crow
+ 1 if you count Calm Spirit, the charm.
yes we need more
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@tippy2k2 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3345479#Comment_3345479
Did you include a Birb pic?
Also, I didn't see it at all.
Usually I catch things like that before I make the post...
I did not
maybe thats why...
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Would you have any footage of what's going on? It's kinda hard to say without seeing it for ourselves.
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Dunno about RPD. I never had that much trouble on it, even before its overhaul. Had some amazing games on there as Oni and Knight in particular.
I'm indifferent towards Gideon. That one's highly killer dependent.
Badham... yeah no, I'm not a fan of them.
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i already made a thread on this that went entirely unnoticed...
no matter
it's birbin time
https://twitter.com/vanilla_crow/status/1625471961106358273?s=20&t=ByLjZ-TFYUR-X35Mc0-UfQ -
I mean, it takes a snapshot from your progress from like a week ago. Chances are your wealth is not as great in the PTB as it is on live.
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Your Third Seal buff would be busted, ngl.
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@ProudRinMain said:
I will rejoice when directional audio gets replaced with an omnidirectional one. The skin for Spirit looks okay-ish, would’ve preferred a tattered tradition-like skin.
You do realise this is straight from Hooked on You, the dating sim, right?
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Is @GannTM still around?
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From last week's dev update
Since today is a holiday, I can almost guarantee you it's gonna drop on wednesday. also this:
not to be rude, but there are plenty of sources out there
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I don't understand the point of this.
Even if the devs were any-sided, what does a post like this achieve?