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One of the biggest improvements they could make is to increase the trap trigger area size. Right now and for as long as i have been playing, which is just over a year now ( i stopped playing a month ago now ), survs have been able to tip toe around traps even when placed dead smack in the middle of paths that they have to use.
So not only can his power be disabled with sabo and tool boxes but by using nothing at all. Just walk around them. This is very frustrating.
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@Delfador said:
@Amanda55 said:
@IronWolf115 said:
So if any devs actually read this, first of all hey.Now down to buisiness, I know that the devs are currently looking at Trapper, Hag, Freddy and Wraith for buffs. This is great and my question is this: After they are all buffed, what killers are you considering focusing on next?
Now I know you have said that you are focusing right now on the aformentioned four killers, but you must at least have an idea on who you would like to look at next.
I personally, and i'm sure much of the killer community, would recommend you taking a deep look into Leatherface. This is because LF is, in a word, awful. His ability sucks and is super clunky, his add-ons are mostly useless and just copy Hillbilly and he has kind of become a meme in that he is just the ultimate camping killer.
LF is another topic for himself though, I am just really curious what the plan is for more killer buffs if you would be inclined to tell us.
Thank you!
LF doesn't need anything. The one who needs buffs is Freddy.
Tbh, with freddy, you can at least make a couple of plays. There is nothing you can do with leatherface right now except for camping. There is no such thing as good LF because his ability doesn't need any kind of skill or usage. He is too simple to use so they can't even make him stronger. They need to rework his ability so that he will be more difficult to use and when used properly, he should be deadly not 'memely'
Actually, this is the problem with this game's killers. They are so [BAD WORD] simple to use. There is a difference between a good nurse and a bad nurse. There is no difference between a good LF and a bad LF. Everything that you can say about LF is general and comes to one's knowledge about the game. Zubat can play leatherface better than me not because he is actually good at LF but he knows the game and plays the game accordingly.
Edit; Killers must be able to show their skill when they are playing their killers. Nurse, huntress or hillbilly players can show their skill but since killers like LF are so simple, nobody can show their skill. If leatherface comes across with good survivors he is doomed to lose the match.
Once LFs' chainsaw is activated try weaving through tree's without hitting anything. Sure, it takes less skill to play LF than Nurse but LF is harder to play than trapper.
Trapper is just a mindless zombie and relies more or less on the RNG of traps unless you carry three traps and can trap a whole section of the map at once. Does placing traps on the off chance that they run into them take skill? Its just a mind game that does not even work half the time.
Survs are able to walk around traps even when placed in between two haybales or in narrow hallways. This is with placing the trap dead smack in the middle of the path. A bigger trap trigger area is needed, among other things.
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@Someissues said:
@Mc_Harty said:
If anyone needed the current version bloodlust 3 to catch a survivor, then your just bad as killer.Bloodlust 3 won't ever happen anyway since breaking a pellet loses it all, it's only used when someone tried to loop you for up to 1-2 minutes on spots that are extremely loopable
or when he's the last person alive and in a unsafe pellet spot
1500 hours. Mostly killer. In that time i have had BL3 less times than i have fingers on one hand. I still have a memory from a long time ago when i reached BL 3. I tend to remember weird ######### like that.
With the amount of LOS breakers and pallets all over the place i'd say you are not doing a good job playing killer if you reach BL 3 on a regular basis. That is just my opinion.
I strive to break pallets so they have less loops to use. Break a pallet and you lose BL. If survs lose LOS, either due to bugs or legitimately, your BL is gone. There are more chances to lose BL than to gain it.
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@besjo33 said:
Here’s a tip: Run at the hatch and crouch, they’ll think you’re jumping in it and hit you then you should be able to go through without them attempting to pull you out while they’re cleaning their blade.
If this works on killers that you play against you must be rank 20 😂 any killer with more than 5 hours won’t fall for that!
The animations is also different. For hatch escape its a jump into the air and then down into the hatch. Crouching is just going down.
That hatch standoffs are still a thing still is ridiculous to be honest. How long have both sides been moaning about this? This is one aspect of the game where both sides agree that it needs work.
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@PinkEricka said:
whatIf you cant make sense of that then you need help more than he does. I read it, with difficulty, yet got the point.
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Survs will, wrongly, report you for anything in the list below.
Do not play by the survs' rules which are:
to run and face the wall on the other side of the map as soon as you hook somebody.
Never tunnel.
Never camp.
Chase the unhooker and not the guy who got unhooked
Run NOED, RUIN
Play one shot killers such as Billy, Myers or Leatherface
dotn body block the basement stairs if you are trying to run the time out on borrowed time
dotn block the basement stairsDo all of the above at your will or dont do them and deal with surv bull
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@HeroLives said:
SovererignKing said:If all you care about is winning, sure. All Looping does is change an non consistent outcome into a much more consistent outcome. You’re no longer relying on your own skill, your relying on the game mechanics to do the work for you. I find it boring personally.
#learntojukenotloop
From a toxic camper:
If you manage to disappear after a hit like the two who have pulled it off in front of my eyes then you will get a free pass to do whatever you want up to and including getting out. I have that much respect for people who can pull this off.
What i mean is i find you, chase you and hit you and in the time it takes me to turn around to where you were, you are gone. Poof. Into thin air. Gone. Not behind me. Not under my FOV. Gone. Like magic. That is truly magical. In 1500 hours two people have done this to me and i remember, still, who they were i was that impressed. One was a green bill on Groaning Storehouse, the other a bright red pizza dwight with a flashlight on the same map.
Two cases of magic. There was next to nothing for them to hide behind. Just a few pallets that i checked after making sure they were not hiding under FOV or behind me.
More of this please and less running in circles. Being made to run in circles was one of my main gripes about this game and one of the reasons i stopped a month ago.
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As surv i like the swamps cos i know how much of a pain it is for killers.
As killer i do not like the swamp cos its a pain in the ass.Other than swamps i like them all but it depends on what killer i use. Some killers are better at some maps than others.
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You were using one of the few killers who can handle coordinated groups efficiently while the rest of us have to use subpar killers like the trapper. Not everyone wants to or can play the huntress. I cant. For some reason i am not able to "hide" the song telling them from which direction i am approaching. I have never done well with the huntress. I am ok throwing hatches and chases but the initial finding of the survs is hard for me. Even using detection perks. The song gives pretty much gives her exact location away.
I do better with billy but he is about to get a pretty big nerf with the impending changes to tinkerer that slow down chainsaw windup.
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@FrenziedRoach said:
The object of this game is to destroy the other side.What continues to boggle me how it's okay for the side with 4 people to do everything in their power to block the killer at every turn, but every time the killer leverages an advantage he has, it's "unfair and unfun".
A leverage gained inside the game using the games' tools and not some outside 3rd party voice com program unlike they use.
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@Paddy4583 said:
Envees said:OP's initial picture had a title. THIS is how survs rank up. I looked at it and saw the rank difference.
Then came from the OP :
get your rank 20 buddy to host swf and face off against low tier killers.
i must say...that number there...very impressive. ( what number where? ######### are you talking about? )
so...in essence, what i am saying is....don't give me that crap about how wonderful you are.
Ok. OP is pissed about the rank difference so i commented on it and explained how this could happen and its partially ....its there to read.
Then i see paddywhack who needs a guiness' comments
@Paddy4583 said:
No DS and SB 2 and 1 flashlight and still no kills.
I guess these stories of SWF loadout crutches have been greatly exaggerated
Meaning that you was trying to minimize the Survs' loadout when the game is more than just loadout. Survs can wreck killers without anything as has been shown.
I was merely trying to show the... Dude......... Go back to the pub and drink more. Your thought process is weird. Your sentence structure and logic is even more strange. Take your meds and have a nap. Stay away from this game. Its not doing you any favors. Just read this whole section from top to bottom.
You are just pissed that i dared to challenge your SWF bias mentality. According to you we are supposed to think that 3 out of 4 using SB is not a threat cos one of them is using "ONLY" a SB 2?
I dont need your permission to post on this thread nor am i seeking it.
Another thing. I am starting to think you are somehow involved in the game above. Take your fights to discord or at least try to make sense when you people write stuff. It would help as well to not post it in a public forum where people are invited to post and comment. Especially if there is some spat over a game that you have with people.
Are you still trying yawn!!!
i didn’t read any of that by the way, your jumping into an on going barrage of his spam about SWF, so I suggest you move onCant be that boring or you would not be here. So tell us what you really think. Back from the pub paddy? So soon?
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Either they are having problems with the few servers used to run this game or the killer strike is in effect now. They could be having problems and not saying it. Would not be the first time.
Its nearly peak EU time to play so it wont be lack of players unless one section, killers, is missing
I know its p2p but there are still servers involved on their own end that help with the game regardless of the game being p2p.
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OP's initial picture had a title. THIS is how survs rank up. I looked at it and saw the rank difference.
Then came from the OP :
get your rank 20 buddy to host swf and face off against low tier killers.
i must say...that number there...very impressive. ( what number where? ######### are you talking about? )
so...in essence, what i am saying is....don't give me that crap about how wonderful you are.Ok. OP is pissed about the rank difference so i commented on it and explained how this could happen and its partially ....its there to read.
Then i see paddywhack who needs a guiness' comments
@Paddy4583 said:
No DS and SB 2 and 1 flashlight and still no kills.
I guess these stories of SWF loadout crutches have been greatly exaggeratedMeaning that you was trying to minimize the Survs' loadout when the game is more than just loadout. Survs can wreck killers without anything as has been shown.
I was merely trying to show the... Dude......... Go back to the pub and drink more. Your thought process is weird. Your sentence structure and logic is even more strange. Take your meds and have a nap. Stay away from this game. Its not doing you any favors. Just read this whole section from top to bottom.
You are just pissed that i dared to challenge your SWF bias mentality. According to you we are supposed to think that 3 out of 4 using SB is not a threat cos one of them is using "ONLY" a SB 2?
I dont need your permission to post on this thread nor am i seeking it.
Another thing. I am starting to think you are somehow involved in the game above. Take your fights to discord or at least try to make sense when you people write stuff. It would help as well to not post it in a public forum where people are invited to post and comment. Especially if there is some spat over a game that you have with people.
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For me, any rank past 17, started to be an exercise in frustration. This is where the fun started getting less and the BM, tbagging and obvious surv bias started to show its ugly head. Up to that point it is just n00b stomping.
How the heck do high ranked killers manage not to blow a gasket? I'd have a heart attack it is that infuriating. Some of the streamers do this all day. Id go out and murder somebody.
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@Paddy4583 said:
No DS and SB 2 and 1 flashlight and still no kills.
I guess these stories of SWF loadout crutches have been greatly exaggerated3 out of 4 used SB. One BT and that flashlight even though not purple is enough to cause trouble a few times - especially with those add-ons. As killer even one failed hook/FL save could be enough to throw the game. Killers are pressed for time to get hooks. Survs are pressed for time as to how many tbags and clicky clickies then can get in before doing exercises at the exit gate.
I assume you do not play killer and are nearly a %100 surv otherwise you would know what i said is to be true.
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But that is the way it is. They want us to leave the hook and go to the other side of the map as well as face the wall, fully well knowing, using BBQ, that they are nearby just waiting for the unhook. This is their logic.
Wah......you are camping. Not fair, you did not let me tbag and escape. I have the right to un hook. Devs said so. You cant reason with people who think like that.
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@Nos37 said:
Sucks we don't get points for being good at the hide-and-seek game; only for the cat-and-mouse gameThis game stopped being a hide and seek emulator a long time ago. The devs are promoting interaction with the killer leading to the survs having too much time to do so. Resulting in killers getting bullied to the point where they are now talking of having another strike. Surprise that thread is not banned yet. They banned the original strike thread and any threats thereof. Survs are not scare of the killer at all.
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@Tsulan said:
Please answer this honstely OP.
If you see two gens next to each other. One is untouched and the other one is half finished, but regressing. Which one would you start to repair?Dude. Survs do not understand common sense. You just confuse the ######### out of them.
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@EpicFailTryHard said:
to create credible results, you have to use an email to create an account there and vote. only one vote per ip. it is a gaming site and i would do the poll without the link but there is no option here. i am just curious as to how many killers dodge swf.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/209374-dead-by-daylight/76830090
No thanks. I have enough spam from companies that say they wont send spam but do so anyway.
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This situation is the norm. I saw it as killer all the time. But rather than waiting for a properly balanced lobby they make lobbies like this one so survs and killers alike do not have to wait too long in a que. This is a result of people screaming about lobby ques. You get what you ask for. So it does look like there are not enough players after all otherwise the lobbies would be properly filled and not the kangaroo court shown above.
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Not a bad idea and it is counter-able by unbreakable so they cant moan. But what will happen is that they will ######### about us still being able to block the basement with no means to counter that. Also this could be abused with agitation to down in quick succession.
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It is possible using windows itself and not some outside program. Its not hard at all and takes seconds to find your IP. This is a peer to peer game so you are susceptible to that.
Click Start->Run, type cmd and press Enter. Type ipconfig /release at the prompt window, press Enter, it will release the current IP configuration. Type ipconfig /renew at the prompt window, press Enter, wait for a while, the DHCP server will assign a new IP address for your computer.
If you have a static IP you are screwed. Just saying. Hope you dont. Cos you cant change it as easily as you want.
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@Paddy4583 said:
Hacks!!!!, seen on here that SWF is unbeatable.
Clown must be OP
No chit. NERF!!!!!!!!!
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@SpitfireOrMichina said:
depip every [BAD WORD] game... I kill people, i hook people !NOPE! you depip or black pip...and i'm not talking about gen rush that ruin everythingCamping the first hook if its early in the game can be to your advantage. Dont get too far from the hook since the survs will be aware that they stand to lose one very early on. Survs are most likely lurking and waiting for you to leave. Do tight patrolling circles, squares or whatever and try to be never more than 5 seconds away from the hook. If there is one and you find them, smack em. At this point you can either leave the hook and chase them and risk the unhook, which i have learned not to do as they will leave and heal, or you go back to tight patrolling.
Certain perks help you leave the hook if you have them. BBQ and chili. If you see that all three are on the other side of the map. Fine. You can leave. If you do not see any body then all three are nearby and lurking for the unhook. That just tells me to be aware of them nearby. Its cool. They are not doing gens and then guy on the hooks is counting the time to his death.
Play around with different killers. Some are better than the others. Some have one hit capability which cuts down chases a lot. Some are made for camping like leatherface. Nurse, a good one, will just wreck any crew.
Most of your skill with come with time and experience and there is not a whole heck of a lot we can tell you. You have to bet there to learn.
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@AshleyWB said:
I think it makes really funny moments when killers play along. I'm ok with being tunnelled but getting facecamped is a bit much as I didn't do anything toxic just bobbing around with urban evasion.tbagging is now universally agreed to be BM. You are disrespecting the killer and taunting him. Usually the taunts come after you pallet slammed him or are at the exit gate.
I applaud you for tbagging at the exit. You earned it and i dig the animation. But do that to me in the game you are asking for trouble so i will give it to you.
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@thomasnut said:
Here is how you fix camping and tunneling.. Do not use Ds, do not use borrowed time, do not use adrenaline, do not use balanced landing, do not use sprint burst, do not use god pallets and looping..Yep, that should pretty much do it
Would not help you against me. I made it a point after all the BM in game to tunnel and camp to death every surv i get. Flashlight save? You are going to die. DS user? Still going to die. Only sooner than the rest
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Dont need to have a programm> @fcc2014 said:
@pauloandrade22 said:
I remember the times i have versed SWF . Its either a toxicity fest ( the worst one), an 6 or less minute game with me getting one due to hardcamp ( also extremely unfun/frustating) a suicide/dc squad ( my personal favourites for winning) But my favorites are the MEME Squads like a full pizza dwight or the cultist SWF group that i met too. THOSE ARE THE TRUE TREASURES OF SWF . Unfortunally most are the toxicity fest. Why cant you guys meme more often. I even let those teams win because they make me laugh and have fun .
My favorite was My Michael vs Pizza Dwights. I set it to Backstreet Boys.
Beyonce's I am a Survivor for Claudette i think was better.
How much friggen fun this game could be with some tweaks. Make killers less friggen frustrating please.
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You want the killers' opinion on them BMing survs or the other way around? Am i too stupid to get the question? Its not exactly clear in my opinion.
My killers view is this. If they tbag in-game while the game has not finished and still gens to be done you are asking for trouble. I suggest you tbag at the exit gates where it is relatively safe and you can get away with doing your squats. With gens still to be done and you do it then you are asking for trouble. I will tunnel and i will reciprocate while i watch you die on the hook unless you are an exceptional looper. Nobody has, yet, managed to loop me for the entire game. So i will catch you and i will have the time of my life watching you die on the hook while i nod. That is fun. That is my fun.
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@only1biggs said:
How would these changes help with camping and tunneling?People will always camp in games no matter what, it's not the game it's the person.
Tunneling is situational. I always go for the one who saved if I'm close, but if that person hides right away and all I see is the injured person, I'll go for that one. In that case it's the fault of the other survivor who didn't take aggro.
Camping is also situational. Some like me camp no matter what. I have my reasons. Exit gates open and first hook most will camp. Or would you run to the other side of the map at this point and give a free escape?
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@chadnati0n said:
Lol I play killer aswell never camp mostly get 4ks I know you can get 3 gens done I just don’t think a killer who facecamps with five gens left deserves ANY additional kills simple suggestion is all and I respect al others. I main cannibal btw just an FYI lol. I’m rank one in both and camping tunneling is pretty common believe it or not . And yes toxic survivors deserve it especially flashlight gangsters but pallet looping is one of the main ways to stay alive are they supposed to just waste the pallet first run through??Unfortunately the devs disagree with you on this. They want two to die and two to get out. So this means that even if i camp one i should be able to at least get another one or the game is not "balanced". The gens should not all be done by the time the first one dies even if they take all two minutes on the hook.
I camp just to piss off people like you by the way.
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@mendo222 said:
Whenever I join a lobby not even 10 seconds later the killers leave and it’s annoying because I have to wait at least 20 mins before I can get in a gameOk. As long as once you hit ready survs are not able to last second switch and screw over killers. As long as we get served true solo's and not a swf 4 man wrecking crew who use coms and coordinate everything in game via voice coms. Sure.
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Chases need to be shorter since gens are getting done too fast. All survs could potentially loop for the entire game as they proudly boast all the time and this is too long. This is a step in the right direction so adapt like you tell us all the time. Otherwise its another gen or two to prolong the game to the point of being able to hook the 6 times it takes to kill you under your own rules of hooking and then running to the far end of the map. This would be for a safety pip, mind you.
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@Russ76 said:
The catch is Killers hate flashlights. I am no exception when I am playing killer. But with the DS nerf coming soon the number of flashlights is bound to go up. Not trying to be toxic just facing reality. I have never run DS other than when I was trying to get my adept, but after the change goes into effect I will make sure one of the survivors has a flashlight, and if no one has one you can bet I will carry it.This was my prediction. Killer is animation locked by DS and can only spin in circles for what will be an eternity while the vultures with multiple flashlights will blind from all angles. Killers are already questioning if being blinded from the side was "slipped" in since i have seen clips of nearly blocked frontal areas yet the survs were able to blind. They only had the chance to blind from the side and it worked.
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@qpwoeiruty said:
First, I play survivor. Second, I fully endorse camping when someone does like 99% of the things that survivors do that warrant it (tbagging click click flashlights looping etc.) Why camp someone who gets a flashlight save though? Like I find a yellow flashlight no addons, and happen to blind the killer, thats like an automatic red emblem for altruistic. Now I gotta loop you the rest of the game because of the salt.Since you admit to play surv that means you do not know the killers side of having somebody pop off your back cos of a flashlight. You, the flashlight holder, just got somebody off of me after i spent a great deal of time and effort to get them. Now, with one clicky clicky they get off and get to do it all over again. So that means you are now a higher threat to any future hooks than the person who got off. Since you do not play killer this does not make sense to you but you just climbed the threat ladder a whole bunch with your actions. You, potentially, can do the same thing to the next person i catch. Am i going to let that happen again? No.
might be hard for you to understand but its a pretty simple concept, really.
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Trouble with those pics is that after playing the game thousands of times SWF crews know the maps, what to do, who is the distraction, who carries what and what roles they play, who saves and who runs what perks. Or they discuss it prior to the game. Is that not the point of SWF? You have played together so many times it becomes routine.
Those pics are just trying to deflect from the fact that they are cheating.
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More fun reading this than playing killer for sure.
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@PinkEricka said:
Envees said:@PinkEricka said:
Envees said:
@PinkEricka said: I agree that it’s ridiculous. It’s sad that a lot of killers on here are expecting an easy win handed to them... and they call us survivors “entitled”. lol. On the plus side, I understand the killers are whining about balance issue fixes but they’re asking for way too many bogus things all because of trolling swf groups. When %70 of games start with at least 2 SWF then you know that in 7 out of 10 games there are 2 swf who are possibly cheating and communicating in a game meant to have none. Dont try to sound like SWF are a rare occasion. The other %30 are 3 or more swf with the odd solo like me thrown in so survs dont have to wait too long for a game. It’s not cheating if it’s allowed. ALL the survivors are working as a team to escape so what’s wrong with communication?
Killers are whining about the removal of SWF because they don’t like survivors communicating with each other... like I said, they want an easy win handed to them. I.E giving a crying toddler a piece of candy so they can shut up.
You were not meant to communicate other than the over there and come here gestures. Otherwise the devs would have built coms into the game. But i think the devs know how busted their game would be if they did this so did not for the sake of saving their game while the rest of us here argue about it.
Well, it’s too late now... SWF increased profit for them so it’s never going away, no action is going to be taken about it no matter how “broken” it is...
Hence the low player count despite having sold 5 million copies. This tells me that people play the game, get excited about it in the beginning till they figure out killer is BS and not worth their time and quit. Or they turn into a swf bully squad and stay.
5 million copies yet player count never reached more than 30k avg when i played last one month ago.
This also explains the frequent on sale status of the game. They need fresh meat to replace all the leavers.
BTW. I dont want swf removed. I want to be given the tools to nullify their use of coms which i deem cheating. Since this was not forthcoming i quit.
I will reserve the right to comment here till the next patch though.
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@Paddy4583 said:
Vortexas said:@Amanda55 said:
@Vortexas said:
@Paddy4583 said:
Can’t you just keep to one post about this why do you and your Leatherface avatar clan keep to one post and stop with the repeated failed attempts
No.
Because if survivor mains have taught us anything it's spam and whine and you WILL get your way.
Look what salty survivor tears did to Freddy.
I know right.
We aren't asking for SWF to be removed, we just want either a separate que for SWF or for it to be more obvious that it is a SWF group.
I'am sorry, but the fun of 2-4 people grouped up doesn't trump ANYONE elses fun. We just want to able to avoid playing with them easier, nothing more, or less.
You can avoid them, And if you can’t tell who’s SWF then what difference does it make as your just assuming anyway.
id love to see the actual stats for SWF lobbies to solo lobbies to see what the actual numbers were. Then we’d have an actual scale of what your saying is pretty much every match in the whole game,
plus if the numbers are as high as you claim separating them would give you next to no matches and huge waiting times.Id love to see the outcome of the separated the ques I’m sure you’d still lose and then come up with some excuse hiw
SWF are exploiting to get into solo game ques together.Latest trend before i stopped playing killer a month ago was to be SWF yet not have them on Steam friends but somehow still get in the lobby together. I had lots of cases where they all knew each other and were posting on each others' profiles yet were not an obvious SWF group. They were trying to hide the fact that they were swf it seems but since i look at profiles and not just the names in friends list i spotted this.
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Had to laugh. Hardly anything triggers me like it does to you but i have a set of rules as well that cos me to act a certain toxic way.
-disrespectful tbagging during the game. Not a the exit gate but in the game with gens to be done. Tbagging after dropping a pallet and failed to get a stun. Automatic tunnel, hook and i set up tent till you die. Ill gratuitously nod my head in approval then wait for the vultures who most of the time fail miserably to save and end up slugged on the floor doing their going in circle dance.
-Flashlight saves. Friggen hate that, so automatic tunnel, hook and the head nod routine till you die.
-Flashlight pests in general who think that their batteries will last forever. Tunnel, hook. Rinse and repeat.
-Flashlighting me after a failed pallet drop and i am in a locked animation as i break pallet. Automatic tunnel, hook and i set up a tent as a wait for the vultures.
-Good loopers who think they are going to do this forever. I catch them eventually and thrown them on the hook. Ask me if i care if three got out. I beat you and that is all that matters. This is a win for me. In my rank range there are not enough skilled loopers who have done so for more than 2 gens.
-not bothered by end game chat since its blocked but i also have a routine for that as well. If i have a good game, which means that they had a bad game, i wont leave right away but give them just enough time to begin writing something and then leave so they dont get to even post it. Doing it this way will make the hatred linger far longer than letting them ramble on about ######### like facecamping which is not even in the game anymore.
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Part of the problem this game has is that two have to get out and two have to be killed in order for this game to be balanced. This is causing huge problems for the devs, obviously. With so many killers who have different speeds, perks and powers it is a nightmare to deal with since they have to take all combinations into account.
I would not want to calculate the amount of different killer, perk and power combinations there are and this does not even take into account the offerings and items which also have an effect. The devs have a mathematical demon on their hands and they barely have control of it. Adding more and more variables, e.g. new killers, survs and items, is just making the matter worse. They have so much data but have no means to interpret it effectively. So they apply band-aid after band-aid.
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@Lowbei said:
or you could just stop being so easily offendedIs this what was said to the jews in 1930 by germans? I am sure that was said. It was a slow ramp up after all and took many years but it started with words.
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@deadwolfwalking said:
windows grabbing survivors for a second. pallets that break when dropped. gens blowing up by themselves.... lockers that lock you in.... lol.... hell yeah....Tentacles that would grab survs who loop too much and place them in more vulnerable spot after a certain amount of time. No single surv should be able to loop a killer like they do now. Why should a single surv have the ability to loop the supposed stronger killer for so long? I am not asking for easy kills. But i am also not asking to be spun dizzy with the amount of circles some can pull off.
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I did not get it to work either. Not just in this game though. Does not work at all in all games i own. I ended up getting Fraps to show devs the error of their ways with the amount of bugs i was finding. Pallets that would stay up right and block surv paths ect. They dont want pictures so clips shaming them will do.
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@SovererignKing said:
Envees said:@powerbats said:
@Envees said:
It is fact, stats released by devs themselves that state %70 of games start with 2 swf. This does mean that %70 of games start with 2 swf. This is 7 out of 10 games. So the vast majority of games start with 2 SWF.
Ok but you never stated that the devs had released that stat, if you had I wouldn't have questioned it. The information isn't laying around in plain site unfortunately.
What part of the stats released by devs do you not understand?
Its a stretch of logic for me to assume that %70 of games start with 2 swf? How so? Devs said so. The other %30 is 3 swf and 4 swf with this odd 2 and 2 and solo's thrown in.
Again refer to my above response.
If you want to argue about dev released stats argue with them and not me. I am quoting them. You are quoting bullshit.
No I wans't quoting bullshit at all and you know it, I was going off the info I had which was incorrect but was unknown to me. You're acting like a cop that pulls someone over and knows all the infractions. You should assume that most of the info isn't well known. I didn't know about camping and looping being ok until someone was kind enough to post the dev video about it. Which by the way was over a year old.
Hold a herring at the right angle and they are red. Fish much? Play DbD much? Dont think so otherwise you would have known that the %70 quoted is fact and not some number pulled out of thin air to suit my argument. Go back to school.
Perhaps it's you that needs to go back to school since if you did you'd know not to assume that everyone knows everything or did you not learn that in school? Also the Red Herring was about your imagination part and you know full full that fit the classic definition of a logical fallacy.
Nice back peddle. It was still bullshit you were saying. Speaking and getting involved in a conversation you knew nothing about yet took the moral high ground? Know the facts first. Ignorance of the law is no excuse in a court of law.
I learned in school not to get involved in crap i know nothing about. That is what school taught me. Apparently you missed out on that part.
Also, i am fully aware of the Red Herring analogy. Hence my proof that Red Herrings do exist. It was not some distraction. I gained this knowledge since i have first hand experience with herrings, trout, steelheads, pacific salmon, perch, anchovies, mackerel, halibut....you get the idea, i hope.
The dev stream in question is now at least a few months old. Good luck finding it but i know i am right and others will back me on this.
Now I want sushi... CURSE YOU!
I just made some sushi for you when i chopped up his argument. Slice away my friend.
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@PinkEricka said:
Envees said:@PinkEricka said:
I agree that it’s ridiculous. It’s sad that a lot of killers on here are expecting an easy win handed to them... and they call us survivors “entitled”. lol.
On the plus side, I understand the killers are whining about balance issue fixes but they’re asking for way too many bogus things all because of trolling swf groups.
When %70 of games start with at least 2 SWF then you know that in 7 out of 10 games there are 2 swf who are possibly cheating and communicating in a game meant to have none.
Dont try to sound like SWF are a rare occasion. The other %30 are 3 or more swf with the odd solo like me thrown in so survs dont have to wait too long for a game.
It’s not cheating if it’s allowed. ALL the survivors are working as a team to escape so what’s wrong with communication?
Killers are whining about the removal of SWF because they don’t like survivors communicating with each other... like I said, they want an easy win handed to them. I.E giving a crying toddler a piece of candy so they can shut up.
You were not meant to communicate other than the over there and come here gestures. Otherwise the devs would have built coms into the game. But i think the devs know how busted their game would be if they did this so did not for the sake of saving their game while the rest of us here argue about it.
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For a lot of people not setting up a tent is simply not an option. It takes so long, sometimes, to even get somebody on the hook you would be mad to let them get off easy to do the same thing to you while gens are popping left, right and center.
In most of my games by the time i got the first hook at least one gen is done and in most cases two were done with a third close to being done if not done already. That leaves survs with 2 gens to do and a "theoretical" 11 more hooks to catch if you play by their rules of hooking and walking across the map to stare at a wall. This is simply not possible. Chases are too long. Apart from skill level they have too many tools built into the game to waste your time. Its a 4 vs 1 game. We do not have the time.
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@Master said:
@PureHostility said:
@Master said:
There are crows... ya know.....
There are already way too much global notifications giving everything away if you ask me, such things shouldnt be in a horror game (yeah horror lul)It is a horror game.
Dunno why you are making fun of it.
I have never been so scared when facing those 4 pesky black killers with their flashlights... almost broke my nails by trying to claw my way out of there.
Never again, PTSD for life.I am not scared to play against flashlights, just annoyed.
The only scary moment in the games happen when a dark clothed claudette jumps out of the shadow and drops a pallet on you or playing against a strong nurse.Really? You must be the exception to the rule then. Lets see you take on Four of the most toxic loopers who are adept in using flashlights and have four of them. Lets see a video of how you school them so we may all learn from you.
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@powerbats said:
@Envees said:
It is fact, stats released by devs themselves that state %70 of games start with 2 swf. This does mean that %70 of games start with 2 swf. This is 7 out of 10 games. So the vast majority of games start with 2 SWF.
Ok but you never stated that the devs had released that stat, if you had I wouldn't have questioned it. The information isn't laying around in plain site unfortunately.
What part of the stats released by devs do you not understand?
Its a stretch of logic for me to assume that %70 of games start with 2 swf? How so? Devs said so. The other %30 is 3 swf and 4 swf with this odd 2 and 2 and solo's thrown in.
Again refer to my above response.
If you want to argue about dev released stats argue with them and not me. I am quoting them. You are quoting bullshit.
No I wans't quoting bullshit at all and you know it, I was going off the info I had which was incorrect but was unknown to me. You're acting like a cop that pulls someone over and knows all the infractions. You should assume that most of the info isn't well known. I didn't know about camping and looping being ok until someone was kind enough to post the dev video about it. Which by the way was over a year old.
Hold a herring at the right angle and they are red. Fish much? Play DbD much? Dont think so otherwise you would have known that the %70 quoted is fact and not some number pulled out of thin air to suit my argument. Go back to school.
Perhaps it's you that needs to go back to school since if you did you'd know not to assume that everyone knows everything or did you not learn that in school? Also the Red Herring was about your imagination part and you know full full that fit the classic definition of a logical fallacy.
Nice back peddle. It was still bullshit you were saying. Speaking and getting involved in a conversation you knew nothing about yet took the moral high ground? Know the facts first. Ignorance of the law is no excuse in a court of law.
I learned in school not to get involved in crap i know nothing about. That is what school taught me. Apparently you missed out on that part.
Also, i am fully aware of the Red Herring analogy. Hence my proof that Red Herrings do exist. It was not some distraction. I gained this knowledge since i have first hand experience with herrings, trout, steelheads, pacific salmon, perch, anchovies, mackerel, halibut....you get the idea, i hope.
The dev stream in question is now at least a few months old. Good luck finding it but i know i am right and others will back me on this.
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@powerbats said:
@Envees said:
Simple statistic for you. %70 of games start with 2 SWF. This gives me the right to think that in the vast majority of games there will be 2 SWF.
No guessing needed. I just assume its at least 2 swf and go looking for the 3 or 4th.
Dont even go and pretend that swf are a rare occasion of that they are figments of killlers' imagination. SWF use is in nearly every single game.
That's still an assumption really if 70% of the player base is swf that doesn't mean that 70% of games actually start with 2 ppl. That's a stretch of logic right there since realistically you're making an assumption. While it's probably a valid one without actual data from BHVR which they need to provide so we know more. Also don't try and Red Herring garbage with me it doesn't work.
Also the claim that every sef group is toxic absolute crap and all those claiming it know it but like to make up facts as they go to make their argument look better. There was an MIT study done years ago that proved that online toxicity isn't as rampant in individual peoples games as they believe. In fact games they said were toxic when reviewed actually weren't but because they'd had a bad game the following ones felt the same.
It is fact, stats released by devs themselves that state %70 of games start with 2 swf. This does mean that %70 of games start with 2 swf. This is 7 out of 10 games. So the vast majority of games start with 2 SWF.
What part of the stats released by devs do you not understand?
Its a stretch of logic for me to assume that %70 of games start with 2 swf? How so? Devs said so. The other %30 is 3 swf and 4 swf with this odd 2 and 2 and solo's thrown in.
If you want to argue about dev released stats argue with them and not me. I am quoting them. You are quoting bullshit.
Hold a herring at the right angle and they are red. Fish much? Play DbD much? Dont think so otherwise you would have known that the %70 quoted is fact and not some number pulled out of thin air to suit my argument. Go back to school.
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@thesuicidefox said:
@Orion said:
Until Survivors stop being entitled, constantly complaining about things that they find annoying instead of things that make the game imbalanced, you can kiss your wish goodbye.Anytime someone says anything about improving something for survivors, killers get all REEEEE and say stuff like "YOU ARE ENTITLED". That is literally the argument every killer main resorts to if they can't provide substantial counter points. Fact is, survivor has some stuff that sucks too. Do killers need to be stronger? Yes, but that doesn't mean survivors don't need a better experience too.
I play both sides I want the best game there is. I want less BS for killers AND survivors, yet anytime I make a point about BS survivors have to deal with all I get is "YOU ARE BEING ENTITLED" which is not only wrong but just a pathetic attempt to derail actual conversation. Killers are being entitled thinking they are the only ones that deserve any sort of change for the better, and the only things survivors should get are nerfs and punishments. THAT is entitlement, to think only you and your side matter or deserve things the other side doesn't.
When a 4 person wrecking crew using no coms and no perks can depip killer after killer that speaks for itself.
When a 4 person wrecking crew using coms and all available perks can depip killer after killer that also speaks for itself.This is the state of the game.
The game is surv favored. There is nothing argue about that other than they need to be nerfed.
https://youtu.be/d6zWOMBmstM