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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/408284#Comment_408284
"Muh he is exploiting the system but the system has feelings."
Seriously, no harm to everyone. The only one who gets the shorter stick is tru3 in this case cuz he doesn't get BPs. I personally don't care if he's exploring the system in order to be able to play in the first place while harming noone.
Doesnt matter. A Behavior selected representative of the game on stream, is exploiting the system because the devs can't fix it.
That's on them. He shouldnt DC to avoid what the game is giving him. Its EXPLOITING the pip system and you cannot argue that fact.
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@Someissues said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/408284#Comment_408284
While its wrong, I keep seeing survivors with rank 1-5, queue with their Rank 20 friends/ alt accounts. So they will get in a queue against Rank 18-20 Killers. Which is worst you think?
The one who is selected by the game developers to represent the community, exploiting the system.
The swf ranks is a product of mmr mixing and not using top rank as a base for swf.
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@Someissues said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/408261#Comment_408261
Yep I just clip this, he DC intentionally due to 30 minute queue at Rank 1. Everything he said is true, its too easy to rank up as Killer (If you're a good Killer like Tru)
Even with that, the point remains he intentionally dcs to purposefully de rank. That is literally exploiting the system in place for his benefit.
While also getting him (the good killer) lower skilled opponents as an "unintended" side effect.
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@SurgDexil said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/407941#Comment_407941
Killers should at least be aware that is a r man swf, so they can dodge them and move on. Like a lable.
Nobody should dodge. Are you afraid to play a challenging game?
Theyre not that common.
Plus if theyre "the worst/hardest to beat" and you dont ever play them you'll never be more than mediocre at best.
Even if you CANT beat them, your gameplay will get better.
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@marching_hyena said:
why dont they just remove the option to DC from the pause menu altogether? i dont see the point of it being there if someone can risk punishment for simply using it.
They should really add a disclaimer like most games.
"Leaving a game imbalances the match and will cost your teammates. You may be banned if continually disconnecting mid game. Are you sure?"
Well , games that PUNISH DC anyway.
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@Andreyu44 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/407941#Comment_407941
Read the title,bruh.
My my whole response, hon.
"The point is to play your best and learn how to improve."
Nice comeback though.
<3
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You can genrush and loop as 4 randoms.
What's your point?
The point to play is to do your best and learn how to improve.
Not a hard concept especially since 4 man SWF is what, less than 10% of games?
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@Captain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/406883#Comment_406883
New account ? I probably play dbd more than you so you fail
Right. Whatever you say hon. <3
Nobody who plays for real/seriously walls away after hitting find match.
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@Condorloco_26 oh yeah that makes sense. AS trapper. Idk why I thought you meant against trapper.
So if anything, they need to re work their auras?
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@TAG said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/407755#Comment_407755
What message is being sent with a Fog Whisperer isn't able to access half the game when they wish to?
The message that needs to be heard. Behavior has ######### to fix.
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@fluffybunny said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/407732#Comment_407732
@Carpemortum What rank are you? I'm not the only one having troubles. Everyone else I've spoken to that is rank 10 or higher is having troubles pipping regularly. You'll also get stuck if you have crap teammates who don't go for saves or just farms you and if the killer doesn't catch anyone, you're stuck with that, too. Everyone else I've spoken to is having troubles ranking, so I find it rather suspect that you're having no issues. I've had games where I did two gens, multiple saves, chased for a good while, and got out. I still didn't pip.
Pipping matters 'cause when you're in solo play, it's somewhat important to be playing with teammates who aren't rank 20. People who say it doesn't matter is full of it.
@fluffybunny go read all my posts here. How I say rank does EXACTLY WHAT YOURE TRYING TO TELL ME I DONT KNOW.
I'm at rank 8 survivor as of last night. It's not a cake wall to pip, but its also not as hard as you want it to seem..
It's a challenge. It should be.
Pipping isnt what affects ra k 20s and 1s being together in solo. That's rank and matchmaking. Which has shown us that even with an easy pip system, we get rank 2 killers vs rank 16 survivors.
The "rank" is a MMR assistant, nothing more.
Even with pipping as "hard" as it has been I've encountered one rank teammate below 15, and they were arguably playing better than most of the rank 10s i see simply chase and unhook in front of the killer.
The rank helps find better matches, but it's a flawed rank system. Harder pips weeds out the people who truly play at that level. granted it may be harder with potato teammates, but if YOU play YOUR game the best you can, you can still manage to pip. Or at least safety. And in the event you cant, you still earn BP and (I hope, i know i do) have fun regardless.
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@Condorloco_26 said:
@Carpemortum I talked about skill checks because that's the OP's concern.
But here's a quick recap of everything wrong with not having colorblind support:
Gen, hook, and totem auras
Trapper's traps, blood trails and scratchmarks
Teammates in dying state, hooked teammate auras
OoO
None of these would represent *any* advantage if they were a different color.
They even change gen and hook aura colors during events, so, that's the whole point.
They've already shown they have different colors for auras: see kindred, alert, aftercare, bond, empathy.
They just don't prioritize making these QOL changes.
Trappers traps? They would be more visible to anyone....
After care bond and empathy are all yellow?
The rest are pink....
They could change those colors to maybe be more vibrant or different, but I've seen people talking about color blindness and how it affects seeing characters and tile sets.
I'm not against it, just stating why I believe they will likely never do it.
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@twistedmonkey said:
The problem is if he can't play then his viewer count could go down, he is a fog whisperer yes but if he can't play it could cost him money, it's his chosen career to play and entertain.
I am sure tru will be in contact with the devs to let them know the problem he faces.
Try also never said he would DC on to derank there are other ways to do it but it does mean changing how he plays.
It's a problem with the system BHVR implemented when someone who has never done it now sees the need too derank.
That's fine. He doesnt have to be a fog whisperer to be able to stream.
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@ShirtlessDwight said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/407708#Comment_407708
The thing is they shouldn't 5 miles away with Lithe
That hit will always land before lithe goes off though. Lithe happens after you land. Anything more than that (like a 10 ft gap) is lag, and they cant fix that with animations or hitboxes.
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@TAG said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/407725#Comment_407725
More likely the first one, in my book. Second one seems like a consequence of the first one, in my book.
So when someone is unwilling to be held to a higher standard when they SOUGHT OUT the position, they should be allowed to just say ######### it and game the system? No. If it's an issue for him that he feels the NEED to DC or de rank on PURPOSE, he should step down as fog whisperer, as he is not representing the best of this game. Hes representing the kids on the forums who say "DC for X since it wont ban me its allowable".
Either deal with the consequences and situations that being in that position has, or remove yourself from the position.
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@fluffybunny said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/407706#Comment_407706
@Carpemortum You mean with the recent one? You do realize they've made it so that you have to do everything in the game to get just one pip, right?
@fluffybunny then you're doing something wrong.
I've been pipping up relatively easily. Usually without being chased or having maybe one unhook.
You do realize not everyone plays the same and some are more efficient than others, right?
If you're looping the killer all game and did 0 gens, you're not gonna pip up. Do one. Hell do 2. You dont have to do EVERYTHING.
Besides, why does pipping up matter if the rsnk is just for better matched opponents and not an actual rank?
Play for fun/BP. But if you want to play to rank up and be the best, be ready to PROVE it. Not have it handed to you.
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@TAG said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/407687#Comment_407687
Well, what message is sent when a Fog Whisperer has to choose between not playing the game or DCing?
That the developers should fix the rank? Or they shouldnt be a fog whisperer? Like. Its not hard to go off and do whatever you want. But when you represent the game or community, that ######### cant happen.
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Stop making vaults that you know you keep getting hit while making.
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@Kagrenac said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/407688#Comment_407688
Which is why i said make a new MMR system to keep the good and bad player apart.
You said remove it AND make a new mmr.
Implying we have no rank system in place for X amount of time.
If anything let then make a new one, test it, and then change it.
Oh wait they did that with matchmaking and the community rioted.
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No. Dont remove it. It does what it is supposed to. Keeps ranks 1s and 20s apart.
If anything they need to adjust how people are selected (ranks vs bucket pool) and their pip system.
If we REMOVE the rank, even just for a test, it will be worse than when we all had 2 minute games but wonky ranks last week.
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@thesuicidefox said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/407651#Comment_407651
Well he's also not deranking to like rank 12 to play games like other people do. He deranks to rank 2 or rank 3, still within his rank range. So I don't see a problem with that for the sake of finding games. The problem with deranking is people do it A LOT to get easier matches. They go from red rank to green rank. At this point queue times be damned, you're doing it to bully another player.
There is a line. True IMO stays under that line. He doesn't ABUSE the deranking, which is the critical factor here. He just does it a little here and there to find games, while staying within his rank range. The survivors he gets are still high rank and therefore he's not bullying anyone or ruining their experience by going AFK or quitting at the start. Until the devs fix ranking and MM, he doesn't have much of a choice but to do that.
I agree with your moral points about how he does it, but the fact remains, he is a fog whisperer, and shouldnt be doing it at all.
People look up the game and see the behavior selected streamers de ranking on purpose, it sends a bad message.
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Either the time I ran from Billy during the last 2 gens, went down, sat my controller down bc I was dead on hit. Adrenaline pops. I stand up, while reaching for my controller he swings....and WHIFFS. And i ran my ass all the way to the gate.
Or last night when i got queued up with 3 random other sweaters. Think we all died. But it was worth it XD.
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Why not make checks get increasingly harder (smaller window or faster appearance/spin) the further progressed a gen is? Would make them a little harder/more skill required.
Got the idea while dealing with huntress lullaby. Problem is, that it would essentially make that perk useless or OP if stacked.
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Yeah let's just not play while the people who DC (likely not on here) continue. Theyll see no change and do nothing.
We need incremental queue ban timers on DC.
0 (assume first is accidental), 5 min, 15 min, 30 min, hour, 3 hour, 24 hour, 3 day, etc.
The DC trolls wont be able to keep it up AND play, theyll be unable to queue.
The ones who DC to power or net loss, and those with irl emergencies will be largely unaffected.
Power blinked? No prob. Second time? No prob 5mins. Waiting on power to come back anywayn 4 or 5 times? Doubting its legit. If it is, fix your power issue before playing again?
R6, LoL, Rocket League, and many others use this type of system. I see VERY few disconnects on them.
I feel it would be a good system to at the very least TRY.
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@thesuicidefox said:
1) The queue problem seems to affect different people differently. I don't have problems finding games at rank 1 killer within 5 minutes, and rank 3 solo survivor within 2 minutes. However when I play SWF it can take upwards of 10 minutes, but I have been playing with low ranks and high ranks. Seems to happen more when I'm with people way below my rank. If I'm with another red or purple rank we still find games quickly.
2) True still plays out the game he just DC's at the end. That's the honorable way to do it. He's not hurting anyone but himself when he does this. The other players still get their emblems/BP and he deranks so he can find games. The only one that might get screwed is the very last guy he kills, but I still think it's gonna be the same for him.
But he is still hitting DC to purposefully lose rank.
I agree it's better than starting the game and screwing everyone over immediately, but it's still intentional de rank dcing. If anyone needs to de rank queue wraith and afk in basement. Watch YouTube. While I dont agree with intentional de ranking, if you're gonna do it at least dont double down on bad ideas lol.
Not to mention hes a fog whisperer and should represent the best of what this community should try to be. Not showing us how to exploit a broken system willingly.
Now if he catches a DC ban Is he gonna accept it or be upset?
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I agree. Game is over, just be done lol.
They should also not DC if things go poor. Play the game, do your best, move on.
Problem is too many people have this idea that bullying/trolling is the fun game, and when it doesn't go well for them they will absolutely not blame themselves. So of course you're the reason for all their misery. Not because they wanted to act like hot ######### and got caught. That couldnt EVER be it.
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@Orion said:
Gee, I wonder why queue times are so long at high ranks when everyone and their mother is purposefully deranking.
Exactly. It started as a small thing/meme idea that some people would do it to get easier games. Now it's gotten so out of hand it's the only way to get games at higher ranks. To just not be at higher ranks.
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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/407482#Comment_407482
Idc what the rules are, he isn't harming anyone so it's fine for me. Some rules are stupid, others aren't. Use your brain or are you eating everything what someone with higher authority puts on your plate?
Actually, it ruins the game for 4 people potentially costing then everything earned to that point.
Stop being so biased.
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@Eninya said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/406762#Comment_406762
He is calling out the Emblem system, not the players.
@ChesterTheMolester said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/406829#Comment_406829
You won the race but you ran to fast so we decided that you all lose. No medal for you.
Except this isnt a race. Or a test. It's a hunt. Playing with your food as a merciless killer is absolutely part of it.
Also, no idea why eninya is quoted too.
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I know color blindness is an issue, but its usually only getting support on games where team colors and AoEs are an issue.
On here it would likely never happen due to potential exploits of non CB people using it to gain an advantage. It's a shame, but more than likely what would happen.
Maybe adjust your gamma or TV brightness? Not being snippy, just trying to think what would help with ruin since it's all red/black.
@Condorloco_26 to be fair, you dont HAVE to hit the great checks.
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@harry14141414 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/406901#Comment_406901
are you saying someone will do like 10 accounts and troll ? so he will spend money on accounts and just troll ? or did you mean people will wait the free weekend to troll ? Im confused
On ps4 you can make alt accounts free. As many as you want. People would just do that and troll all game because theres no loss.
I assume Xbox can do the same.
Besides, taking away something they earned isnt a good idea. At best do a point reduction on gains, but that wont prevent the people who DC because they get mad at a loss or specific killer.
Only time will sort out the dcs that need to be dealt with.
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Cant take points away from people. Then people would make fake accounts just to troll and DC with nothing to lose.
Time punishments. Increasing per DC. Real life issues dont happen 8 times a day, and if they do, deal with that ######### before worrying about a 5 min ban.
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So had you found a match youd be....afk, then dead, and essentially useless to your team?
Why search for a game and walk away?
New account. Seems fishy to me.
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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/406364#Comment_406364
Did I say DbD should be esports? Why r u attacking a strawman now, I was just making clear that DbD is a competitive DbD game.
Competetive doesnt has to be esports cuz it needs balance in the first place, something which is missing in dbd
I was using that as an example because you tried to make it seem like it has to be ranked with rewards and balanced as such simply because you CAN define it as competetive.
I used an extreme to show how ridiculous the comparison and definition use was.
Its not competetive at that level. It has no rewards, resets monthly, and the player rank is a MMR tool at best.
It's not, for all intents and purposes, competetive.
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@TangledNoodles said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/405669#Comment_405669
@Bbbrian2013 Except the person admitted to it in the post game chat, and how is longer mending time every time you get hit by frenzy part of the add on? It felt like I was repairing a generator.
Yeah I had it happen the other day. Took longer than an actual gen. Someone got hit, lead them to me I got hit. Legion. Let us run(he knew what was up, letting us just mend for later) random didnt mend, went down, got healed from dying to full no medkit, then had to wait another 30 seconds to heal me because I was still mending.
At first it seems like a good build. Second or third time its game over. I really hope they fix it soon.
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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/406328#Comment_406328
Every pvp game with a win or lose condition is a competitive game by definition. Look it up in the dictionary lol
Just because something is competetive doesnt mean its ranked or needs to be an esport.
Is pie in the face considered competetive? I mean it's you vs them...
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@DarkGGhost said:
@Carpemortum @ClogWench how about my ather idea ?
I dont mind the first one. Would need some testing. But the concept of them not being obsessed so you dont have the full effect seems somewhat more fair. Would want to see it in use to see how it affects different builds/perks and whatnot.
A point was always that 4 ds is ridiculous. Not being the obsession has always had a drawback there.
But it seems MoM is more hated than obsessions altogether. Which baffles me as its less useable than DH. Hell I bought Ash, got adept and havent used it since.
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@Delfador said:
@Carpemortum You are getting to me, 3 people achieved that in this forum congrats on that..
Why 30 mins? Is there an official word for it? How do you know it was not gonna end in 31 mins? Why do you ruin people's matches by leaving at 31 min mark? May I ask you dear gentleman or madam?
It lasted 10 minutes because I DCd, what is the threshold?
The other one lasted 15 minutes because, once again, I DCd, what is the threshold?
'you know damn well it's never an hour' You, sir, lost there. It was an hour and even more than that for me. I did have an experience and it doesn't matter if It is anecdotal or not. After that experience, whenever something like that happened, I didn't stay longer than 5 min or 10 min. Exception is the 15 min match as a killer because once again, that was my first time as a killer.
I didn't insult you because I couldn't refute your points (not that you have any) I insulted you maybe I get banned and get away from people like you. Please flag that post hon <3
First, its ma'm.
Second, I said 30 mins of HOSTAGE holding. As in bodyblocked, gates open nobody leaves, etc.. things that to the average person are obviously not normal gameplay, and are extending it unnecessarily. Once you see that. 30 mins is MORE than generous for a DC based on hostage.
I also said never an hour in reference to slughing and "salty" dcs, and have clarified that already.
So you had one time last 3 hours or over an hour or whatever you say it is now, and that one time means you refuse to wait 5 mins?
Maybe this just isnt your game. Maybe you just dont have the patience for things not always going your way.
You indeed, DID insult me. "Retarted, ######### annoying, etc" after not refuting my points, still.
You keep taking different parts of what I say and try to mix them to fit your side. I'm done here. You dont want to think things through, and you're not going to actually listen to what I say. Plus, your attitude, vernacular, and saying you'll DC after 5 mins is just bringing me down.
Enjoy feeling better about yourself for quitting a game that you sat down with time allotted to play because "you dont have time" to wait "5-10 mins".
Good luck getting slugged out there hon. <3
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@SmokePotion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/406244#Comment_406244
ok, you.... Nm.
Look. I'm saying the new system is stupid. 3k, 9 hooks,a nd 0 pips? I should have 1 pipped that game, at least.
The hatch is even more broken with the current system was a point, but the THE point.
Also, i was constantly hooking. It is bad to leave a chase to go check a gen where there MIGHT be a person, but you aren't guranteed.
Also keep in mind that you are trying to tell a guy that has been rank 1 and stayed rank 1 since before this new pip system, that he doesn't know how to be a killer. I know when to drop a chase, and when not to.
I didnt say you didnt know what you were doing. I'm very aware of your presence here, and typically agree with what you say.
But you admitted yourself you didnt leave them to punish gens. Then said you got a 3k, but didnt pip up. Then posted that the hatch was the issue. I simply stated that with your info, and the hatch being part of it, that there were other areas you could have earned the pip based on their new system.
Which is all true.
Why be salty that you didnt 4k/pip up when you didnt lose a pip, admitting you didnt pressure gens.
Especially with everyone agreeing the ranking is fd up and pointless rn.
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@Delfador said:
@Carpemortum I don't care buddy
This game, accept it or not has its problems. No other game I have played had these many issues.
I am not gonna sit down, deal with it.
In one of my first games as meg, I have fcking waited 3 hours trapped by a meg clearly working with the killer because killer never came to hit us. Both of them were Russian and in each others' friend list. I thought I was gonna get banned because of DC.
'You know damn well it's never an hour' How about not assuming each others' experiences huh?
I know damn well it can be hours no end sweetroll
If you get hostages for 3 hours then yeah, ######### DC.
I'm talking about the situations in question. 15 mins of stealth or being slugged for a few mins.
If "you dont have time" for that, dont queue up. KNOWING dbds issues, still queuing up and then DCing over small ######### is childish and ruins the game.
If you dont wanna commit the time to play it through (bar the few random outlier examples) then dont play. Its ruining it for everyone else.
And you know damn well when I said hours I meant normal situations. Not some pseudo meg holding you up for 3 hours.
So dont try to act like you have the high ground, hon. When you've clearly said you know theres issues, thay you wont sit and deal with it, yet do just that then DC and complain.
@Delfador said:
@PolarBear It is not about 3k or 4k or even surviving. That situation alone lasted something like 10 minutes. It was kind of an unintended game hostage situation.
The last survivor wants the hatch, the killer wants the 4k and as the third guy, you are getting dragged into this bullshit situation.
I am sorry but I don't have hours to waste.
Situation lasted 10 mins. Comes at me with a 3 hour anecdote.
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@Delfador said:
@PolarBear It is not about 3k or 4k or even surviving. That situation alone lasted something like 10 minutes. It was kind of an unintended game hostage situation.
The last survivor wants the hatch, the killer wants the 4k and as the third guy, you are getting dragged into this bullshit situation.
I am sorry but I don't have hours to waste.
@Delfador you know damn well it's never an hour. And if it is, someone needs to stop being so damned stubborn at the hatch.
Also, if you cant manage to stay a little longer than 5/10 mins a game, maybe dont sit down to play? If you dont have that much time dont queue up, and DC, just to ruin someone elses game because "you dont have time".
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So you're saying....you believe that the hatch alone cost you an entire pip?
SURELY there were other parts of the game where those pips could have been made up. Seeing as you can, ya know, double pip, theres a lotta room.
Gens in first 9 mins is a big thing. You said yourself you didnt leave chases to stop gens. What did ya expect?
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@DarkGGhost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/406208#Comment_406208
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DS is weak if you use at the start of the game and a lot stronger ( from the old one) in the midgame/endgame.
OoO can be used from SWF and give even more advance to the survivors and if you have a problem hide for same second in the lockers.
So no the problem is not only the MoM.
DS only SEEMS better late game, because more people are forced to save it until then. They're not all going off on gens 1 and 2.
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@ShaneQ said:
Clown ain't bad he's a pretty decent killer, there's no way he is wraith tier
Wraith tier? Stuck at 15? Nah I've gone past 10 with wraith easy.
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@brokedownpalace said:
Yeah lying on the ground for 4 minutes is a blast. Let me stick around for that just so you can get your precious 4k and feel like you accomplished something for the day.
Better than DCing because you cant handle a loss/slight inconvenience, costing yourself all BP and ruining the synergy of the match. But. Ya know.
Glad you accomplished.....well nothing, by DCing.
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@BigBlackMori said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/406030#Comment_406030
Why are Killers required to give you extra chances to win? You are not entitled to points or fun if you're bad at the game. Points and fun are for winners; sadness and embarassment is for losers. EIther get better or be a sad, embarassed loser.
See this is the ######### attitude that spreads toxic bs in game.
Why cant I have fun AND lose?
I dont have to bully someone, or win EVERY game to enjoy myself. Having to win to have fun is a personal issue, that leads to toxic In game behavior and attitudes because some people CANNOT stand to lose.
FoH with that elitist bullshit telling me I cant lose and have fun. Or that losers have to be embarrassed.
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@Master said:
A casual fun game?
Then I just ask, why do we have a competitive rankign system and dont evne have the chance to opt out of it via a casual mode?
@Master we dont. We have a "Rank" system to assist with mmr.
Just because it says it's your rank doesnt make the game ranked.
It's literally to better suit lobbies. Thats it.
The ENTIRE GAME is casual.
Some people playing their best and being hard opponents doesn't change that.
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@VESSEL said:
Just commenting to keep this thread relevant. Fog Whisperers are an issue on the same level with Legion, DC ing and balance issues. NOTICE THIS MCCOTE
No, legion is in a far better place than this. Hell I'd say legion would make better fog whisperers than some currently sitting. 😂😂
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😆 [1] LOL
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@Justified said:
Have you been able to replicate it or was it isolated to that match only?
This was just the first time I recorded and noticed it. It's happened a couple times.
@Angelicus23 said:
You should have posted this in bug reports. Game devs doesn't look in general discussions, only comunity managers
Yeah I just didnt know if I was missing something simple and it wasnt a bug.