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Hag is absolutely perfect. Love her so much ❤️ Here’s to our Queen, the Hag! 🍷
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I’m I year away from being able to drink. Non booze is Ice tea and Cherry soda.
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I like it at 2. Especially with all the perks that can effect it.
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@ASAPTurtle said:
Meg with a plaid jacket. Something simple.
Meg with anything but sporty!
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I like this change a lot.
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@disconnectbybuglite said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/828221#Comment_828221
He is b tier. His bottles are effective at stopping loops, and the effects they can have with addons are too good not to be at least b tier
If that’s the case... who is worse? Because not everyone can be B tier and above. Clown can only pressure one survivor at a time. It’s a 4v1. And if a survivor knows how to loop, Clown is going to have a longer chase which usually means 2 or even 3 gens get done. At that point the game is almost over. Point is, you can’t have long chases with Clown. You just can’t afford the time because the other 3 survivors are doing gens.
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If I could change just one thing? Move DS to S Tier. Still a reasonable and good list
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❤️ Love this tier list.
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@disconnectbybuglite said:
Clown is NOT d tier
So what is he? Can you explain?
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@Marcus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/827639#Comment_827639
Too bad Legion doesn't have any pressure or game stall.
They do have some lol. It’s just weaker than a lot of others. For how much I hate their power, it does have positives. But I do think it’s fair to consider them the worst based off the fact that the 3 below them have their positives as well.
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@Eggscellent said:
One thing I've learned is tier lists are mostly bullshit (but they do have some truth to it) any killer is viable if you truly want to play them. You could be using the nurse and be really good with her and still lose some matches. Just like Leatherface. I feel red ranks are highly over-exaggerated. In low ranks and in high ranks there is always going to be that good survivor like how there will always be that potato that you may wonder how they got into red ranks. I have been a red rank bubba main and he is low on many tier lists and I have been red rank hillbilly main and he is high on a lot of tier lists and all I got to say is play who you want and not what some tier list deems as a good killer. If you think wraith going invisible is a cool concept and you really like that play him all you want. You could get into the red ranks and be a good killer and if you like how the nurse could pretty much teleport anywhere then play her.
Weird takeaway from all of this. I’m just comparing who is stronger between them all and in no way saying who people should play. Heck, I play every killer rank one and do fine. I base a tier list off Red Ranks because that’s where the best play. That’s a fact.
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@GodDamn_Angela said:
I dunno.
Is Clown that bad? My Fiance mains him and does pretty good every match. Hmm...
Also Legion placement seems... high. Same with Wraith. But eh.
Clown isn’t necessarily bad. He just isn’t as good as the other killers (IMO). I think Legion is above LF, Clown and Doc because of their pressure and game stalling, even if they can struggle with a first down. Wraith is quite underrated actually. His hit and run technique is what I use and it works quite well. His ability to body block certain loops helps as well.
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@FireHazard said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/826163#Comment_826163
I suppose it's easier to just follow what someone says than make the assumption yourself...
Kind of narrow minded but to each their own I guess...
Agreed.
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Its funny because I’ve gotten a lot of people telling me their reasoning for a specific killer at a specific tier is because they’ve seen *insert streamer here* play them well. I personally have Ghostface over Myers simply for Myers having a slow start in early game. Yet.. they’re right by each other.
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@FireHazard said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/826060#Comment_826060
Lol... so because a streamer said GhostFace was good he's automatically better than Myers?
That's like... narrow minded but ok.
People love to follow what a streamer says instead of coming up with their own views and opinions. It’s easier for them that way.
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@SnakeSound222 said:
Sucks to see people sleeping on good ol' zappy boi. He's easily a B or C Killer once you get his shock timing down.
Maybe C? Idk, I like Doc but he just isn’t very good compared to other killers.
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Some nice constructive feedback there. ?
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@Aven_Fallen said:
While I agree that some people miss Hag at their higher Tiers, I would not compare her to Nurse or Spirit. She is amazing, but gets ######### by a few things:
Flashlights-->Yes, those might not be the most effective thing, but they can be annoying.
Urban Evasion-->Not run that much, but still.
Big Maps-->If the Map is too big, she might not even be able to teleport, lowering her Map Pressure because she will either have to focus on one area (which can work or not, depending on Survivors competence and their Spawn) or she will not be able to cover parts of the Map at all
Competent Survivors-->I think once you played a lot of DBD, you know things like crouching near Hooks, not running into the Basement when someone is hooked there, triggering her Traps when she is carrying someone, etc.
So while I agree that she is one of the Strongest Killers (at least Top 4 for me), I dont think that she can be compared to Nurse or Spirit.
I touched on flashlights, Urban, and competent survivors (how a god hag can still compete with them and such).
Big maps can be annoying, but never detrimental if you play your area right. The hope is gen spawn honestly. Because at times it forces you to let go at least 2 gens.
I mean most people don’t have hag at Spirit and Nurse level. It’s fair to think she’s isn’t. I personally just see her as god tier killer at her highest level. I’ve explained a million times why, so I won’t spend years on it. (You can check my previous posts on her if you already haven’t and want to).
Thanks for your feedback! You seem very experienced from what I’ve seem on these forums, which I love to see!
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@DeadGavin said:
I love how the average is at the end... Not in the middle where an average is.
Take it with a grain a salt if you will. It’s more just to give a better understanding other than a literal average.
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@DeadGavin said:
I love how the average is at the end... Not in the middle where an average is.
I consider C as average.
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@NoOneEscapesNancy said:
What are your thoughts on demogorgon? Because for me personally he’s an A tier (maybe even A+?)
He’s got a lot of potential. He creates so much pressure throughout the game and seems to have some small amount of snowball effect. I need to play like 20 straight games with him to get an even better understanding. But yeah, I like him.
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@SilentSpectre said:
Too many tiers, not really a good list either
You’re more than welcome to explain why you disagree if you want. And yes next time, I plan on going back to the traditional SABCDF.
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@ZtarShot said:
"pig rank"
lol. It’s tough to rank her!
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@Yamaoka said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/825414#Comment_825414
I'm not going to try and convince you that you're wrong because you obviously aren't for the most part.
Bubba does struggle against strong survivors as he can't efficiently "play around" vaults or pallet loops as opposed to stronger killers. It certainly does make Bubba a highly map and rng dependant killer.
I often manage to pull off some "chainsaw stunts" here and there as seen in most of my clips even against red/purple rank survivors but it's often or mostly the result of survivor mistakes rather than Bubba's potential. I want to be completely honest there.
Also finding and downing someone quickly at the start of the game is (or at least feels) crucial since Bubba has -basekit wise- nothing to slow down gen progression. No map pressure, no tracking, no stealth.
However over the course of the years I've noticed he's one of "very few killers" who can make insane comebacks late-game due to his built in "real" instadown. Once the strongest pallets are out of the way you can -given enough practice- often steamroll survivors at the last 1 or 2 gens (if the survivors are strong enough to get to the late game that is) as survivors will be closer together with less pallets to defend themselves.
That's why I personally don't see Legion above Bubba. They do have some tracking and can somewhat play around vaults and pallets and stall the game by handing out free Borrowed Time but they lack lethality and every Frenzy run allows people to get to initiate a time-wasting chase thus resulting in very little "comback potential" if that makes sense.
LONG STORY SHORT: If people don't play optimally my instadown will make short work of them and if they're strong/smart enough to make it to the late game or even end-game they naturally increase their risk of getting steamrolled due to the decrease of one of their main defenses (pallets).
That’s definitely fair. I mean bubba isn’t completely useless you know? He has his positives. Like how you mentioned his comeback ability, I totally agree with this. It’s not over until the fat bubba sings. But if a killer mostly relies of mistakes of survivors and/or is RNG / map dependent, I can’t rank that killer above another who can do decent on most maps and has more pressure overall personally. Honestly though, I think we can agree they both just need reworks/buffs.
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@thesuicidefox said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/825536#Comment_825536
I just think what you did kind of over complicates the process is all. Do whatever you want, but it's easier to comprehend a tier list with fewer tiers where each character is sorted according to relative strength within a tier. There's nothing wrong with putting 4 characters in a single tier so long as it makes sense. Not to mention, when you do what you did you make the statement "this character is clearly 100% better than this character" which might not be entirely true. It could be more fluid than that, so putting them in the same tier and just sorting them leaves open the idea "these characters are roughly equal but this character tends to be stronger than this character". It's less concrete that way.
When I talk about a certain killer being better than another, I always make sure to state it as an opinion. Just like I did the Original post. But yeah, that’s why I usually do SABCDF. It’s more smooth and flows better. You can check out my killer perk one if you want, I’d love to know your thoughts about it.
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@MegMain98 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/825461#Comment_825461
Hag isn’t as optimal against a coordinated SWF group or OoO. OoO is great against all killers except Nurse and Spirit.
However, I rarely run into OoO and she can still win against a good group. A majority of SWF groups aren’t great anyways in my own experience.
I typically won’t even play Hag if I see flashlights.
I’ll play Hag unless I see more than two. Two isn’t that bad honestly. Three/four is something I haven’t even seen lol. So maybe I’ll try versing it one of these days.
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@thesuicidefox said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/825505#Comment_825505
I didn't say you were ranking them independently, I made the point that you should stick to more traditional tier formats like S A B C D F. You don't need a +/- tier, you just sort the characters in order within a tier. The only time this is necessary is when you have a LOT of characters, such as MvC2 or Smash Ult. Those games have like 60+ characters so it's a bit more necessary for those extra tiers.
You asked why a tier list should be formatted that way and I explained why I wasn't saying you did that though.
Oh, sorry my bad. I was just reading very fast and took what brain had processed. You’re not wrong for saying traditional is better, because it is. Just trying something different, to where I can express their ranking further. Thank you for your feedback.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/825433#Comment_825433
I use her frequently. Flashlights are just one of many counterplays. I typically just run to the next loop when a Hag loop traps, and then disarm every trap she set in chase after she teleports away. Stepping on her traps intentionally is a counterplay in and of itself. Coordinated squads just have someone run outside of your AOC, rotate trap disarmers, and set off as many as possible when you pick someone up. Her traps can only be in so many places before they won't be stepped in.
If you’re running outside of your area and don’t commit to a trap that’s been triggered inside of it or just leave your area in general.... then that’s already a mistake from the killer and obvious bait. A really dumb one lol. If you have your chain of traps already set out of your area close by, you get a down and have the choice to slug or hook. By then, that’s plenty of time to react to your area and probably get another down or at least a hit. This is a good point though and why I love sloppy on her. People aren’t going to want to heal because of time they already have wasted or are going to waste. If they’re are triggering her traps injured they’re making a mistake right there lol. Counter to that though is if the survivors just heal instead. Well, then that’s them wasting time on that instead lol. I have faced very coordinated teams like this. It isn’t easy, but it’s very doable. Though since you seem to have experience, I now respect your opinion.
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@MegMain98 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/825460#Comment_825460
I know I put Freddy a little low but I believe Demogorgon is the best licensed killer.
Also now he can’t cheese his traps and keep his bloodlust he isn’t catching up as fast.
Still don’t see how people put Billy above Hag and ESPECIALLY Spirit.
Yeah Freddy could be a little higher in the A, but I wouldn’t sweat it as B is definitely reasonable. I still have to learn a lot more about Demo, but he definitely has potential.
And yeah it amazes me people have Billy above Hag and Spirit lol. Some want Billy nerfed as well xD
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@thesuicidefox said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/825381#Comment_825381
A tier list is basically a comparison of strength between characters. As such it makes sense that most characters would be "in the middle". An individual character's strength is relative to all other killers.
Like it should make sense that there are a few characters that are really good, some that are good, a bunch that are average, some that are below average, and a few that are bad.
When you have a top heavy or bottom heavy tier list, that means you are basing the character's strength on how well they perform independent of other characters. That's not a tier list. Tier list placement is always dependent on how well they do COMPARED TO everyone else.
Like for Spirit, she is a strong killer. You place her at the top, meaning that she is the strongest when compared to all other killers. You can't gauge her strength without such a comparison.
In theory if we had a game where every killer was overpowered and could get 4k's 90% of the time, you wouldn't place them all in S tier, because some killers will still be stronger comparatively. So even in this case, there would be mid tier and bottom tier killers, even if they are all OP it's relative.
Not sure why you have a problem with it then? My grading is based of their viability against high rank survivors, COMPARING the killers in who can do it at high level, a low level and everything in between. Which is indeed a tier list. What would be the point of basing a characters power independently? That doesn’t even make any sense. Nothing is top or bottom heavy at all. I added more tiers to give people a better understanding on where I think a killer is in their current state compared to the rest. I mean.. no tier has more than three killers.. lol. If this list was shrunk (like my last one was) it would look the same as that one lol.
For example:
S: 3
A: 4
B: 3
C: 5 (including Pig & Legion)
D: 3
Not sure how you get I’m ranking them independently from one another in terms of how well they do.
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@MegMain98 said:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/174/5PET2F94ZNAQ.png
My current tier list
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I like it!
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@terumisan said:
Doc is not worse than legion hag ain't better than Freddy swap demo and mike
That’s fair other than Freddy better than Hag in IMO. But I’ve already talked about Hag a million times. So if you want, you can check out one of my older posts about her. Or just read the reply above as to why I think she can counter her counters.
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@Marcus said:
Good tier list, but I think Huntress is way too high and Plague way too low.
Tomorrow I might tell you why I think Huntress is so overrated and Plague so underrated.
I’d love to know your thoughts for sure! :)
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@DepressedClownMain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/103085/my-second-killer-tier-list-3-3-2
I highly disagree with the placements. Nurse is still the best killer in terms of potential, she just requires a lot more of skill now. Freddy definitely is better than huntress, since you have maps like coldwind, hawkins and the game
I mean in theory, the top three don’t really have much separation at all. If a nurse lands ALL of almost all of her hits throughout the game against competent survivors on a consistent basis stretch of games, then sure, she’s the best. But hell not sure that’s human really, as I haven’t seen it like an old nurse. I still consider her being able to dominate. Her still being the best in others opinion is fair though.
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@[Deleted User] said:
Hag is B tier at red ranks. Very exploitable and tons of counterplay.
Highly disagree. Only “counterplay” are flashlights. Flashlights are very overrated for Hags traps as she can adjust to them. Typically, flashlights are used at hooks and loops. Hooks are the easy one, and can waste a lot of time and create pressure. Placing a trap next to hook (Essentially bait), then proceeding to trap their plan of attack (where they will walk/run to) will almost always guarantee pressure or stalling. Traps at loops and be guided through if you decide to complete a chase. You gotta make sure that it’s placed to where the survivor doesn’t have the time or view to destroy it. At that point, you get the down in most cases unless they run. And hey, this all plays in to her AOC. With her AOC, you’re most likely already to have a well placed trap at the loops or the next one to it. All part of intuition and experience.
There is crouching over traps... but that just wastes a bunch of time if they’re going to do it all game and it eventually leads to a win. And rarely do you see urban evasion. Especially more than one. Even with Urban, you aren’t going to find much success in a Hags AOC.
You could say OoO, but IMO that hurts all detectable killers.
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@Yamaoka said:
Legion above Bubba? How?
Their ability to pressure all survivors essentially. Don’t get me wrong, they still aren’t very good, but their stalling is actually decent. The problem they possess can be to get that first survivor down. I believe bubba struggles in every facet other than his insta down. Which hurts if he doesn’t get his first down right away. Without that first down, LF has no pressure without it and I think a lot of times he struggles to get it if you find certain survivors in a good spot (which good survivors tend to be in). Legion can pretty much guarantee pressure at the start. Not to mention LF has to continue to do the same over and over without pressuring the other 2/3 survivors. (I’ve seen your posts, and yes in some rare circumstances LF can get multiple survivors down at once, but is it something a bubba can rely on a consistent basis? No). You probably have some counter points though and I’d love to hear them. :) Especially from a really good Bubba main like yourself!
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@PistolTimb said:
Hag will be the queen when Spireh gets messed with. I'm surprised I don't see more people complaining about her. "I shouldn't have to run urban evasion just to counter 1 killer!1!" I agree with your list but I'd bump Myers down and pig up. All those killers have a similar level of power. Demogorgon I don't know about since I don't have him. He seems like a weaker hillbilly but being with Myers and plague seems fair.
That’s definitely fair!
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@thesuicidefox said:
I'm more of a fan of condensed tier lists. S A B C D F is more or less the standard. Some tiers have SS for the characters that are absolutely broken overpowered, but that's about it. And a good tier list has most characters in the B/C tiers and the least in the S/F tiers. It should look like a bell curve if you turn your head. If it doesn't, that either means the person making the tier list made a mistake or the game is seriously unbalanced (which as bad as balance is in DBD I don't think this is the case).
“A good tier list had more characters in the B and C tier”. Can you elaborate why you think that? And who would fall there in your opinion? Atm, there’s 6/7 in mine (counting legion). Freddy and GF could be the only ones close, and they are clearly better than the others below.
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@Blueberry said:
I do believe there is an S tier anymore. I'd put the highest as Spirit in A.
Hag is also extremely overrated.
On the right map Huntress can be godlike but she requires a ton of skill to get to that level and her bad maps are very numerous.
Just my opinions though.
I labeled S as Godtier for a reason. I believe those 3 can completely dominate.
Maybe the first time I’ve ever heard hag is overrated ?
I think we agree on Huntress.
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Just no in general. Even if it’s a funny thought, just doesn’t seem right in this game.
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Oh my.. YESS! I love telltale games. Especially Tales from The Borderlands!
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@Dr_Loomis said:
No Mither! ?
I have it as my avatar because I associate it with the Wounded Healer trophy, which I long to be fixed.
At least there are certain builds (sabo to be exact) to put it to good use.
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Predator.
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Yes!
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Seems weak tbh. Make it map wide. (:
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@humanbeing1704 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/823871#Comment_823871
my headphones are half broken so no dice
:( that sucks. you could try perks like discordance I suppose. Just focus on gens and not worry about the middle. If they’re already off the gen at that point, you could use your collision through the grass. That’s really all I got lol. I feel your pain especially if they’re blendettes
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More proof she’s the best killer in the game.
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Good Headphones for sound I guess. You can usually hear survivors breathing in the grass and such.
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@Hag.is.Dtier said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/818770#Comment_818770
I'm sure Lisa will be more popular after Spirits nerf. Then they will nerf Hag and we will forget this game ever existed.
If they nerfed hag in any way, I would/will quit this game and I’m not even kidding. Any one can quote this if they wish. But on a more positive note... ALL HAIL QUEEN LISA!
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@AChaoticKiller said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/818665#Comment_818665
literally everything you said are things i point out when i see posts where people think shes weak. Glad to know someone has a similar mindset. "flashlights and swf wreak her!" No they don't you just have to adjust your play style depending on what they are doing and she still destroys them. Also I love stbfl on her, at full stacks its so satisfying hitting someone than immediately teleporting to a trap they activated for the down.
There’s not many people who realize her full potential and how powerful she is. I’m always writing how great she is and constructed a few posts talking about her. Anytime I see a tier list that has Hag below A (I believe she’s S) tier, I can’t help but comment on it. I personally believe she’s the best killer in the game after Nurses nerf. I’m also glad to see the points that you made! You definitely understand for sure.