60 seconds DS is an abuse
60 seconds of decisive strike is ridiculous, I hang a survivor, I go for another and I chase him, I hang him, his wounded friend comes and I throw him, I am going to pick him up and he still has ds. I find another survivor, I chase him, I hang him, so I hit another survivor twice and take it to the hook (I think it was a considerable time if you compare at how fast a generator is repaired) after that I go to a engine and I see that someone is repairing, I beat him up and he has ds ... I am extremely fast throwing to the ground survivors or the ds is ridiculously long?, at no time did I tunnel, I was in pursuit with other survivors and even hang them but the ds is still active? 60 is unfair, I understand that it lasts about 30 seconds to avoid in tunnel, but 60 seconds is a total abuse 🙄
It is more profitable as a killer to camp the survivors? making 12 hangs in less than 4 minutes is very hard in red/purple ranks. The survivor can be hung twice and continue in game and if you add that besides they have an extra 1 minute of invulnerability and the 5 generators can be repaired in less than 4 minutes is a clear injustice here 🤨
And if the devs do not plan to change the ds time then one option would be immunity to ds for 60 seconds, if someone used ds against you then nobody else could use ds against you for 60 seconds.
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Firstly, Meg main ain't no FlamingKitty. They're the true god of dbd.
Secondly, those 5k hour players you mention all streaming are doing it for that- streaming. They want their audience engaged and they want to be entertaining for as many people as possible. This doesn't equate to playing as well as possible.
Were I to see videos of them off-stream/video and playing normally and they're still that good then I'd concede but I'm pretty sure they'd be better off-camera than on.
The only thing that needs changing is the interaction between DS and Unbreakable, especially when you add Soul Guard into the mix. Ds is fine provided you can be slugged by the killer if they didn't want to tunnel you. Ds/Unbreakable makes you literally immune.
DS should end the instant you hook a DIFFERENT Survivor because it has achieved the desired effect of you not tunneling the obsession.
Sorted.
First of all you need to work to make most of the killer perks to work. For pop to work you need to hook a survivor, then find a generator under 60 seconds, STBFL you need to hit multiple survivors.. there is absolutely no reguirements for DS. Here you got hooked (failing) get this 60 second immunity (which is supposedly anti tunnel perk).. The fact that you are arguing abaut this speaks for itself. DS would be still strong if it de-activated if you go touch a gen
And when it comes to killer perks. For example sometimes with pop goes to weasel you need to make a choise if you use the pop, OR chase the survivors. This additional time you spent kicking a generator for pop could give the survivors extra seconds to reach a good pallet/ window. Same thing should happen for DS. You should make a choise if repairing generator is worth it, if you feel safe enough to lose the DS timer
DS is literally as crutchy as NOED.
And that is what they do. Tunnel and camp and expect us to not use ds. I hate using it as I want other perks but as of late, I have to use anything to go against tunnelers such as ds and off the record. So your comment speaks volumes here. I feel like I should start a tread that blood warden is abuse or something stupid to match this rubbish. But also, like you -- my bf that mains killer has never had this issue either. But...hey ho.
"there is absolutely no reguirements for DS. Here you got hooked (failing) get this 60 second immunity (which is supposedly anti tunnel perk)."
Really? You just claimed there's not requirement for DS to work and you sit there and type the requirement.
Stop it with this "Immunity" talk, my God, people on the forum can't have 1 Independent thought.
After touching a gen or completely healing oneself it should deactivate. Its that simple.
The reason DS is hated: small pp build.
The combo DS+unbreakable shouldnt exist.
Another parrot.
What about We'll Make It? It's enough time to pull off a heal even when the killer is on his way back.
What about Inner Strength? Is it fair that DS deactivates when you're hiding in a locker and you manage to pull off the heal?
What about an Insta-Heal during a chase that you managed to pull off while the killer is still chasing you?
@sekkima take my praise.
Im a Trapper main, I dont know whats going to feel to face 4 OoO squad when Killer is now unable to change character.
And you are another abuser.
You treat DS as an extra health bar, and thats exactly what it should not be. You shouldnt have it all.
Abuser lol
See that, it's literally killers like you who see every DS user as an abuser.
And it's killers like you who will never be satisfied with any nerf, rework, tweak the devs give it.
Because when you say, "when you touch a gen" "when you heal" it'll only make the gen rushing and anti-healing meta even more powerful.
Then you'll going to attempt to get it nerfed so it won't work in end-game.
Then you'll try to get it nerfed when the survivor uses Dead Hard with it.
Then you'll try to get it nerfed when the survivor breathes, and so on.
I'm not even joking when I say killers will never be satisfied with any nerf to survivors.
If you felt comfortable enough to repair generators you aren't being tunneled. Simple as that. Also maybe you shouldn't heal in same place where you got hooked. You can also 99 the heal if it comes to that. DS is 60 second crutch immunity which is poorly designed.
I said what I said. What you say belong to you.
Its nice that someone finally noticed me as killer main. ^_^
The funny thing is that I'm also a killer main.
And I never find issues with DS.
I know how to count to 60, I'm aware who wants my attention, I'm aware who's trying to body block, I'm aware who's been recently unhooked.
Every person in this forum claims to main killer or survivor. So it's completely pointless. I'm currently rank 4 survivor and rank 10 killer, and i can prove it if you like.
But i want you to prove in exchange. Post a picture of your trapper when u have diamond stone and stitched bag equipped. This way i know that you don't post your killer rank from 1 year ago.
I reached rank 1 survivor already in 2017, but i still mained killer at that time. So posting old pictures is pointless. But i want to see your current killer and survivor rank.
For survivor you can take jake with commodious toolbox.
You know what for me as a killer main this sounds reasonable.
Give noed tokens corresponding to the amount of totems still standing when it lits. Each token gives the killer an insta down on successful hit. Max 5 hits so it would still be oppressing but not infinite. A compromise to the old 2 minute timer.
But DS really needs some conditions like the timer speeds up when a gen is done. Being save and repairing a gen in the killers face is still stupid.
Also DS makes egc or end game (I mean open doors) completely useless for the killer since a combination of bt and Ds is always a save escape.
But since I am only mediocre myself I just eat it when it happens, sooo.....meh.
They are often altruistic as hell and don't really aim for the escape but to show their superiority over the killer.
Furtive Chase shuts off when the Obsession dies. Same with Dying Light.
When you kill survivors with Thanatophobia you lose the slowdown.
When you hit a survivor, Zanshin Tactics deactivates for a bit.
There, I just named 4.
lol no
How many posts about DS are we going to get daily?
Most of them are more about exaggeration rather than reality, I've played a lot of killer after the whole DS concept got reworked with a timer and rather rarely did I get hit by a DS, plus now you've got PH if you can afford him/have him already which counters both DS + unbreakable combo.
So I'd rather ask what would you do to DS so it keeps its utility and be fair at the same time without some perspective bias? Cause it's one of the hardest perks to keep useful with any small changes.
DS is supposed to be there to avoid tunneling, so recent unhook survivors have another chance.
The reality: recent unhook survivors go just straight forward to your face and emote you, or go into a locker, because 60 seconds of inmortal. So basically is another tool to mock the killer.
Second chance perks shouldn't be able to synergise so well with one another. On their own they aren't much of an issue.
In Jund’s video all he had to do was not pick up the Claudette. He should have known he hooked her within 60 seconds. He could have just slugged and then waited as it would have forced the other 2 survivors over.
Same for Tru3’s video. Just lunge from a distance.
The problem with DS deactivating after hooking someone else is that campers could then easily play around with it.
Funny how its Claudette players abusing it in both scenarios. Im not surprised one bit.
I could understand DS maybe deactivating if you worked on a generator or did an unhook but I dont think healing should be affected. First thing a survivor should be doing is healing to help give protection against a tunnel.
I kid you not with the killers I’ve had recently even We’ll Make It isnt fast enough to get a full heal before the killer comes back. Especially against Hag players.
These kind of chumps complain about DS the most but they dont realize they’re the very reason it exists in its current form.
Start to be efficiant as a killer and this will happen to you
DS is fine, just play around it.
S L U G them. It doesn’t matter if they have unbreakable, you are still exerting pressure. Chances are some survivors will come off gens to try and help the slugged guy. If you slug them and then go after another survivor that’s 2 survivors not doing gens.
Go after the rescuer, chances are they don’t have DS active, and if they do you only probably have to wait like 20s anyway for it to go.
They hop into a locker? Wait outside the locker for 60s. It’s clear that you really want to tunnel that particular survivor so maybe reevaluate your play style while you wait outside the locker.
Or take the stun. It guarantees that it won’t be used in endgame then.
Survivors are expected to play around new maps with unsafe loops, NOED, BBQ, etc yet god forbid the killer has to play around a perk that’s only active for 60s after a unhook.
Where did I cry? I simply replied so someone with an example of how you can be DSed for doing nothing wrong.
If you plan on attempting to retort to my comments, at least due so with some valid points.
I dont slug to win and play the game as some would call fair/nice.
DS should only be disabled when touching a gen.
Didn't say it was common, but it indeed happens. You can call me a liar all you want, others have had it occur and its happened on streams time and time again.
What happens quite often to me though, is I play a lot of Hag so I can literally ignore the person who got unhooked, go for the unhooker, down them, hook them, then the unhooked idiot runs through a trap and I down them then get DSed, that crap happens every day when you play Hag effectively.
But hey, call me a liar as if none of this happens daily on twitch.
Lacking a formal retort is no excuse for calling your opponent a liar.
Because DS can undo all that good work and force you to start from scratch, all because you were actually doing well. A 5-second stun is plenty of time for everyone to scatter and you to lose your snowball. In a game where snowballing is the way to play.
Plus, DS is just about the most Outperked a person can get.
Watching people play like fungoose who get randomly ds despite doing his best to avoid tunneling, just because he's too efficient at downing people is an experience. DS isn't an anti tunneling perk, its an invincibility perk that swings matches in your favor.
its way too strong to have multiple people have it running at once. people can just rush the hooks and then blame the killer for camping and tunneling when they chain bt, ds and unbreakable together by unhooking>getdowned>trade>the rescue person gets in because theyre invincible>now two people have ds and potentially unbreakable too if you tried to "counter" ds by slugging them. 🤣 ds is a ######### joke and anyone who defends it without question is a clown.
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According to the survivors above this never happens
This is something I've been trying to bring into light! I honestly feel that DS needs to have a risk added to it if it's going to be active for 60s and can be abused! I would suggest 1 of 2 changes!
Outside of Chase
If you get healed to the healthy state, your not being tunneled and your obviously throwing yourself back into the game with being healed and interacting with things! This can also make survivor's make risky choices instead making reckless choices for being invulnerable!
Inside of Chase
Only reason why I say this is because survivor's jumping in a locker is denying killer's counterplay for such a strong perk
Suggest 2 of 2
This is simple to stop survivor's from abusing the perk
Truth is, its the survivors fault everytime they trigger a Hag trap.
If you cant outplay Hag dont fault the killer for being better than you at the game.
Blaming the killer for your inability to outplay their power. Imagine that
Maybe, stop running all around the map? Don't trigger my trap and I cant down you.
Why should a perk that i run deactivate because of poor plays by my teammates? That’s poor design.
Also what is DS abuse? Just using the perk lol?
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I consider it DS abuse if you go out of your way to either force the perk, or do something very stupid and punish the killer for capitalizing on your stupidity!
Why should it deactivate?
Suggest 1
It should deactivate because your putting yourself back into the game If you can interact with anything or get fully healed, than the killer isn't pressuring you for the perk to stay active that long.
Suggestion 2
The killer played their cards right and made the right read, or capitalized on a survivors mistake, why punish the killer for playing their cards right? That's like saying the right answer and getting it wrong for saying it's right!
Do you know survivors play to have fun too? We help other because we have fun (non selfish thought) not to show you anything (selfish thought), we're no thinking about you.
I don't talk about the average survivor but the example shown in the screenshots.
4 blendettes with 4 times the most meta swf perks (even 4 OoO, I know useless but hey no matter how many die still info) and 4 purple flashlights plus add-ons seem like so much fun for every killer that doesn't want dark souls like difficult games.
And again most of the times the downfall and chance to kill some of them is overly altruistic play .
And btw most killers don't think " I want to ruin your fun!" But just don't care at all.
I can tell you that I try to play fair as killer, but hey you don't have any reason to believe me just because of my words.
There's the video I mentioned in my post!
DS encourages survivors to do reckless plays and is used offensively. At the moment all it does is kill snowball when killers desperately need it to keep up with the survivors. You can't punish a bad play for 60 seconds. A whole minute of wasted time is a lot in DBD, and while yea you can slug, they can also get into a locker and either way they get away. The perk really just needs to deactivate on lockers and interactions like gens. At that point you aren't being tunneled and you're just putting yourself in a bad position. But people who do this know they're invincible. Hence the perk sucks to play against.
I need to add this video
You got a 3k at red ranks, obviously the DS didn't affect you much.
Because I was a nurse, a blink will travel more distance than they can get away in 5 seconds.
but a killer m1 3 DS is a lot of wasted time.
You can trigger hag traps just by WALKING. The only counters to her traps are flashlights and crouch-walking. Yes, no way the hag'll catch up when you're moving at the speed of a very slow tortoise.
DS is an abuse survivor know it why they use it.
Or when another survivor is hooked
Hooking another survivor means you aren't tunnelling
This tbh
Oh god what is it with people like you thinking you know everything about the game and trying to brag? 🙄 newbies can be so annoying.
My comment was about not being able to pull off a full we’ll make it heal in time. What on earth does that have to do with running around the map? The point is if the killer proxy camps then they can be back to the hook faster than we’ll make it heals a survivor. It has nothing to do with running around the map, you’d know that if your green rank self wasnt so busy to rush and try to brag.
I mentioned Hag players because those are notorious for it. Also outplay? You mean when you spam 10 traps in every direction around the hook and proxy camp anyway? So that if the survivor runs - they trigger a trap and they die, if they sit still for the heal - you run back anyway they die, if they try to crouch walk away, they’re too slow and they die. Yeah you really outplayed that fresh off the hook survivor gg ez 🙄 I bet you think you outplayed survivors when your NOED totem activates too right?