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@I_CAME said:
You might as well just delete basekit BT if you're going to do this. You would basically be guaranteed to die if you got hooked in the end game except in the very unlikely situation that your teammate brought the perk. This basically just gives the killer a free kill that the survivor has no counterplay for. Survivors USED to have at least some counterplay to this because they could bring DS. The problem is people whined and now it doesn't work in the end game. I feel like basekit BT is a pandora's box that can't be closed at this point. What do solo survivors do when they just deleted because their teammate didn't bring BT? Doesn't sound like a lot of fun to me.
“You would basically be guaranteed to die if you got hooked in the end game except in the very unlikely situation that your teammate brought the perk”
Yep because back then killers used to hit the person unhooked immediately. It was really awful back then
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@Arbmos1998 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3850579#Comment_3850579
It was my post the community manager commented on. What annoys me is I gave 4 solid counters which surprise surprise the majority who are complaining about TOTH are choosing to ignore it as it means they need to run Jill's perk Counterforce, a single perk btw which completely dominates full Hex builds instead of one of their many 2nd chances they run and have run for years. BHVR talk about "shaking up the meta" yet the moment killers start changing up their meta BOOM "complaint, complaint, complaint, complaint" followed by nerfs to the point no one uses them again and form a new meta, rinse repeat.
The wording also annoys me "thanks for providing this perspective" so they see and acknowledge that counters DO exist but instead of having a backbone and telling the playerbase this instead they are going for no doubt immediate nerfs in a upcoming hotfix so probably less than a week killers will get to try this out for themselves. Wouldn't shock me either if new TOTH ends up weaker than what it was before the buff. Either way Hex builds will go back to being gimmicky and rare then survivors will find something else to mald over.“What annoys me is I gave 4 solid counters which surprise surprise the majority who are complaining about TOTH are choosing to ignore it as it means they need to run Jill's perk Counterforce, a single perk btw which completely dominates full Hex builds instead of one of their many 2nd chances they run and have run for years.”
Your post reeked of bias and after I saw that youre a tru3 fan then it all mad sense. You will defend anything the killer has even if it makes the game unfair and basically unwinable for survivor. I’m guessing you probably thought the gen kick meta was fine too.
Also telling us to run this perk doesn’t help because the other unfun strats are still in the game and we can’t run every single perk to cover for it
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@GeneralV said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3851049#Comment_3851049
Have you seen it with Artist?
Genuinely one of the worst, most unfun and miserable experiences I have ever had with DBD.
but the people on this forums say that it’s survivors fault so it must be…..
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@Autharia said:
It has counter play on 2 killers base kit ATM. Slinger and Houndmaster can circumvent BT with power. Trapper could count as a 3rd if they run in to a trap but that's an if.
I think more killers counter it honestly
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@solarjin1 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3851507#Comment_3851507
i saw that too🤣🤣🤣it on his second last stream.
right at the start of that stream he open up the forums and proceeded to cook edgarpoop for being "disingenuous".
yep basically showing that he puts down players that he disagrees with
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@[Deleted User] said:
Because DbD is not and should not be a counterpick game. Three things are guaranteed to happen in every trial: you will have teammates, you have to complete 5 gens at 90 charges each, and the killer will chase players. If you prepare for anything else, you're going to have a useless build half the time.
This is the equivalent of saying a survivor should run Slippery Meat because they might have to kobe on first hook. It's bad game design if RNG is strong enough that players have to build a loadout to counter it. This isn't a casual card game like Uno.
I saw tru3 call you a low level player for your take In another thread (which I disagree with). You should watch his video its hilarious but not shocking how wrong his take is on the thrill meta
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@fussy said:
Head On is fine, but Blast Mine being 5 seconds is really stupid imo, especially after buff.
blastmine is fine tho
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@ReverseVelocity said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3850380#Comment_3850380
They should buff Counterforce even though they're nerfing Thrill honestly. That perk just isn't very good.
They should make it do something else because the perk is garbage (just like how you said and I agree).
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@crogers271 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3850302#Comment_3850302
Oh and who could forget, “run empathy for old eruption”.Oh wow, I'd forgotten about that. That was crazy times.
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3850427#Comment_3850427
I've been hit with it more than once, though I just take it like I would a blast mind stun and resume playing the game, but it is kind of funny to end a game as the killer and see every survivor running OTR and/or DS and just be like 'huh, neat'.
you right those were crazy times but not shocked since so many people are so hellbent on justifying everything that is broken towards their side
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@Reinami said:
I just wonder why when its a killer perk, why do they hotfix it, but when its a survivor perk, we have to wait 6+months for it?
wglf got nerfed quick so that’s incorrect
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@SadakoBFF said:
Just played a match of ghost face and all the survivors just gave up after I got my 4th hook. No, I didn't tunnel or anything. Can anyone who understands survivors explain?
Hooks (before they gave up):
Mikaela - none
Ash - 2nd
David - 1st and 4th
Kate - 3rd
Also my build if it matters:
Hex: Thrill of the Hunt
Hex: Ruin
Hex: Face the Darkness
Hex: Crowd Control (cleansed right before(after?) I got my 3rd hook)
play vs thrill of the hunt and you will see why
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@danielmaster87 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3850331#Comment_3850331
Because your solutions to killers having "overpowered" stuff is to give survivors overpowered stuff. That's literally what the 8-second DS change would be. The perk was already game breaking at 3 seconds. People just needed to go down near actual loops, instead of relying on a 5-second stun to get them across the map. Either way, the perk's strength is in the killer getting stunned and losing all his pressure in an instant, AND he now has to chase that survivor an additional time to kill them. If he doesn't take that chase, he wasted a chase and got stunned for nothing. Taking more than 1 DS, he might as well open the exits for them.
What you call mediocre on survivor is actually decent. It's just that the survivor meta has been so stupidly strong and untouched for so long, you think that should be the standard. Unbreakable and BT have never been toned down, and are still strong (BT just isn't run, because you get it for free now. Go figure). If killers didn't tunnel or run gen defence or anything, then picking up dropped pallets, doing totems/chests faster, crawling faster, or creating illusions on gens would all be okay. But killers have to tunnel and run gen defence just to play, because balance changes almost never give them time, just takes it away, and so survivors have to counter that. And they do. 1 DS stun or 1 Endurance hit can be game-losing for the killer. It's just that bad survivors don't take advantage of that stuff. They're like, "The killer's tunneling? Oooohhh man. I better start walking slowly, or take 3 minutes to do 1 gen." Better yet, they rage quit and then tell the devs how they lost because "killah OP" when their leaving is what cost the team the match!
And no offense, but your last point is contrary to everything else you're saying. You're afraid that Thrill makes hexes OP, and that Counterforce isn't good enough, but that Counterforce also singlehandedly kills non-Thrill hex builds. Well, which is it? Do killers have the OP perk, or do survivors?
“The perk was already game breaking at 3 seconds.”-ds
Skill issue
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@danielmaster87 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3850302#Comment_3850302
So as a solution to situations where the survivors "can't do anything," we should instead take away the killer's ability to do anything. 👏
you already think killers can’t do anything💀
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@Iron_Cutlass said:
I see a lot of posts saying “just use Counterforce to deal with Hex: Thrill of the Hunt” but I’d love to just collectively deal with all of these threads by bringing up some counter arguments that completely shutdown Counterforce entirely.
First off… let’s talk modifiers… and math…
For those who don’t know how modifiers in DBD work, perk descriptions work in percentages but in DBD’s code these percentages are converted into decimals and equations to calculate what happens at a given time. Based on how this equation is set up, it can result in positive or negative modifiers being more or less effective.
To put it bluntly, Counterforce got the worse end of the stick here. Negative modifiers are applies first. Positive modifiers are applied second. This results in Counterforce having a diminished effect at cleansing totems due to how the match works out for the Charge per Second (C/S).
- Hex Totems take 14 seconds to cleanse; 1 C/S and 14 Charges, 14 Seconds.
- Hex: Thrill of the Hunt applies a 70% deficiency modifier; 0.3 C/S and 14 Charges, 46 Seconds.
- Counterforce applies a +20% (or extending effect) efficiency modifier afterwards; 0.36 C/S and 14 Charges, 38 Seconds.
- Hex: Face The Darkness makes Survivors outside of the Terror Radius scream every 25 seconds, reveal their location, and interrupt actions. Even with Counterforce, you are unable to counter Hex: Face The Darkness, the cleanse time is just too long.
Second off… Counterforce is licensed perk…
This can lead to a whole set of issues when it comes to came balance. Licensed Perks are normally designed to be “gimmicky” or “really bad” to avoid being meta.
If a Licensed Perk becomes necessary to run every game, and the only way to actively get said perk is through spending money, it leads to issues where the game becomes Pay to Win.
There is the Shrine of Secrets, which sometimes holds Licensed Perks, but it is unreliable and might not even release the License Perk you even need. There are many cases where perks (including Non-Licensed Perks) have no shown up in the Shrine of Secrets or take literal years to show up.
I don’t think this is healthy design for the game.
I remember the “just run detectives for noed” “run ds for tunneling” “run unbreakable soul guard no mither for slugging” “run object for weave”. Just annoying💀
Oh and who could forget, “run empathy for old eruption”.
I would like to bring fun perks like Blastmine or fineness instead of having to run perks for a chance to counter BS -
@Atom7k said:
After comming back to dbd for the new chapter, my theory once again proved to be right and so after one year of observing dbd and how players play, here is the hard truth.
While there will always be people who play like dirt on both sides some facts that are hard to swallow are:
- Perk meta is more balanced then ever. Survivors paradise is gone and killers are getting their perks nerfed as frequent as survivors. So no. There is no side that dictates dbd.
- The increase of tunneling and slugging is the survivors fault but not only. The way dbd is played has changed. Survivors are provoking more and more situations that lead to slugging or tunneling. However the way some perks are developed invites slugging because it outplays these perks
- Want to make an ds play and run into the killer? Well enjoy your time on the floor and your second hook stage.
- You wanna flash light safe and hover around? If the killer knows you're around the one on the ground will be slugged.
- You play 4 man swf with synergetic meta builds, busted add-ons and map offerings? Expect the killer to lock into comp mode too.
- You run meta builds a lot? Surprise, the killer already anticipates that build and plays around it.
- The increase of toxicity is mostly the survivors fault.
- Tbag all day long? Enjoy getting tunneled
- Play as bully squad? Enjoy the slug/noed
- Tbag at the exit gate, because you made it against a low tier killer? Enjoy playing against A or S tier killers for the rest of your life.
- Lobby dodging becomes a thing? Guess what, even survivors start to dodge lobbies where they see people with flash lights because they anticipate you're going to screw it up and then dc.
- Getting tunneled, camped or slugged every match is extremly frustrating and annoying. Killers that do that from the start are likely to get blamed. On the other hand a lot of them have to fight a war every match so it kind of get's hard to tell when to play casuall and when to try all there is.
Now as I said at the beginning, of course there are killers who play miserable from the start. But while survivors demand the killer to play to their rulebook, they do more and more to annoy said killer. Then they are mad when the killer doesn't care anymore.
Why playing fair and spreading hooks when the survs plays toxic? And that question is harder to answer with every new chapter.
I observed it so many times I can't even count it anymore. Solo q is garbage and when I see my mate running after a killer in chase with a flash light I already anticipate to loose the match.
So the big problem here is:
Survs play more and more aggressive and or toxic. Killers adapt. Killers then meet a soloq lobby and absolutely annihilate them. The survs then equip more agressive meta builds to adapt.
And this goes on and on until every match is a war.
This is where we are today and why it feels like everyone is running the same builds. And every match feels sweaty.“The increase of toxicity is mostly the survivors fault”
Yeah ok
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@Reinami said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3849342#Comment_3849342
A hatchet that requires you to reload every time you miss, that addon is horrible on huntress and you know it.
but that addon is used for camping which makes it a problem
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@GeneralV said:
So I've decided to use the build myself instead of just playing against it, and it has had some interesting results:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/6BU0O7XAWL23/image.png
It didn't work perfectly, but those Totems did last longer than they usually do.
Freddy seems to have… a mixed, uncertain synergy with what is probably the last meta this version of him will see.
“what is probably the last meta this version of him will see”
When you put it that way…..damn
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@Aven_Fallen said:
Yeah, after going against the build multiple times, I will just stop playing until they do something about it. I am not wasting my time with this game, because the Devs decide to make a change they obviously did not understand.
Sucks for the Winter Event when it is not fixed until then, but it is what it is.
I went up vs this build two times. The first game I don’t count because the game was lost when someone gave up but the second game was vs a wraith and boy was it awful
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@Brimp said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3849839#Comment_3849839
How is me stating facts about certain hexes making killer seem impossible?
your past comments are just “killer is a plaything for survivor” or “survivor op killer oppressed” so it is funny hearing you defend being unable to cleanse hexes as a survivor skill issue.
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@danielmaster87 said:
I'd say. When was the last time I had to sweat this hard only to get losses and draws over and over? Never. I'm genuinely not impressed with the looping I'm seeing. They either go down really quick the moment I get a favorable chase, or they're at a literal no-mindgame spot that forces Bloodlust/Entity Blocker. In any event, the gens are going really fast. You're never gonna be able to stop them, especially with people abusing the arbitrary time waste loops, where the killer has to break the pallet to get them anyway. So it's not that the game is suddenly survivor sided because of the killer nerfs and MMR change. The MMR change (which tbf, I asked for it) is really showing how unfair the game is for killer. I've had improved teammates as survivor, so that even when we lose, I knew my teammates were actually trying to the very end. But the survivors I gave as killer are just brutal now. They either don't go down, or they do but not quick enough to fuel Pop/Pain Res/Surge to slow the gens. A perkless killer would be screwed in this game state. It is SO bad. Probably the worst I've seen, and it begs the question of if we need something drastic for killer or not. 120% movement speed? Base STBFL? Faster Bloodlust? All I know is killers don't have enough tools to get survivors down reasonably fast. It's not even close, so I'm gonna take a break from the game.
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3848730#Comment_3848730
Come on, man.
“When was the last time I had to sweat this hard only to get losses and draws over and over?”
Because you probably crutched on the gen kick meta and overestimated how good u are.
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@Brimp said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3849700#Comment_3849700
The only hex you can't safely ignore is Devour. But by the time devour gets powered up… either the survivors just didn't do gens or are getting stomped in chase. Ruin is still a joke, H. lullaby is a joke, Pentimento you ignore by just not doing totems and every other is just super gimmicky. Of course I'm using good survivors as an example of why hexes are weak but being good at survivor is not hard.
“being good at survivor is not hard”
And being good at killer isn’t hard either yet you make it seem impossible.
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@Reinami said:
There are too many things in the game that are balanced around being "rare" and it isn't working anymore. There are too many people who are P100. Every single match i play, there are 2-3 P100s in the game. And every single one of them is able to bring ultra rare killer addons or items on the survivor side.
Here is a match i just played.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/MK2NWET9QOK6/image.png
And this is a regular occurrence. My win rate with houndmaster is awful right now so it isn't an "MMR" thing because i rarely win with her. But that isn't the point.
The point is, that P100 means you get a level 50 bloodweb every time, and you have invested millions of bloodpoints into the character. This means that every single game you play, you can basically get an iri addon every single time. So these things that are balanced around "rarity" are not working anymore, because they are able to use them every single game.
Something needs to be done in terms of balance, and things should stop being balanced around them being "rare" because "rarity" is not a thing anymore.
To be clear, i don't care if someone is P100, in the sense of the old "dodge when you see them" the problem is that they are able to bring the best stuff every single match because they have access to permanent level 50 bloodwebs.
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@Green_Sliche said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3848571#Comment_3848571
Indeed. All those glorious finishers were so rare because people were busy using hands to dodge realms or protect their iridescent addons. Now they happen more often, just as should be.
Some people are simply too upset that killers are now more inclined to killing them instead of letting them go. What can I say? Get over it and move to the next game.
“Get over it and move to the next game.”
Hmmm ok. So every complaint you have (and in particular you have a lot of them) take your own advice
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@Vishlumbra said:
“Killers came up with a strategy to kill, nerf it to the ground, is toxic”
Now they will nerf every hex perk in the game, further buff shoulder the burden somehow, add a buff after cleansing a totem, nerf every killer that is not nurse, billy or blight.
Killers are not supposed to kill, they are here for survivors entertainment only.
“Killers are not supposed to kill, they are here for survivors entertainment only.”
Only killer mains with victim complex’s think that
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@Jacknalls_Paw said:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/IT1DC2A86LM1/image.png
Just played this game.
So much fun : Yun-Jin dc'd at 5 gens and we got demolished right after. Claudette managed to get the hatch.and they want hatched removed too💀
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@Reinami said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3847575#Comment_3847575
Its intentional, a few killers have this. Because if it wasn't there, then after you get hit, you just leave. So, when that happens on these killers, the gates get blocked for you for a few seconds, i wanna say its like 4-5 seconds. That way you can't get out. This is part of the design of their powers.
If you would Just Leave™ instead of teabagging the gates, you'd have a lot less problems with this kind of thing.
“If you would Just Leave™ instead of teabagging the gates, you'd have a lot less problems with this kind of thing.“
yes because every survivor is evil and is only at the gates just to tbag. Not that they went for a save and they get to a gate. Not that they were being chased towards the gate. Or healing by the gate to set up a save. Nope all of them are just toxic
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@Reinami said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3847641#Comment_3847641
SWF is the power role, that much is certain. Unless you think the power role is the one who can get abused by a coordinated team somehow.
lol instead of creating another us vs them because your extremely biased towards killer, just take a break.
I have let killers kill me and I remember when one killer was trying to do an adept and he asked if we could help him and we did. It was a bubba so we let him kill us.
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@BlackRose89 said:
Like I get the mode is popular but to those who enjoy it so much, yall can't be so blind to the fact the mode is doing damage to the game right? Queue times are the main reason I haven't been able to play Killer at all doing this dumbass event and Im of the option no matter what the devs do the queue time problem isn't going to get fixed. Im with @SidneysBane1996 where I think if you enjoy 2v8, you actually don't like DBD at all, and maybe it's time to move on to another game. I also agree with them with the statement that if you want this mode permanent you are just selfish and actually don't care about the ppl who want to play the game with normally reasonable queue times. My question is to those who enjoy this mode why must I be punished when I can't even play the role I want to play while y'all having the time of your life? Some of us don't have hours and hours to wait through 10 to 20-minute queue times just to play a few games of Killer. Now they extended the mode means even more days where I can't play the game bc I can't deal with the long queue times and I cant play Survivor my whole play session without falling asleep.
Overall I do this this mode does damage to the game the longer it stays around. As others said I think the mode shouldn't be more than a bi-weekly or monthly weekend event at best. It shouldn't stay longer than a few days and shouldn't last for weeks.
“I think if you enjoy 2v8, you actually don't like DBD at all, and maybe it's time to move on to another game.”
So if you like the game you hate the game….what?
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@MaTtRoSiTy said:
Well I hated this mode but it has grown on me.
The main reason? No killers like Knight, Trickster, SM or Chucky etc.
I find being double teamed by killers who cant catch me 1v1 frustrating and I dislike no MMR as the team mates I get are clearly way less experienced. But man it has been nice not seeing a single one of the killers I hate during this event
“The main reason? No killers like Knight, Trickster, SM or Chucky etc.”
Don’t forget about twins. I think they are the worst to face
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@danielmaster87 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3843315#Comment_3843315
You can't take someone else seriously? 2.5% is nothing, and you're gonna get upset over that, and not base BT which always gets abused as an offensive tool to waste killer's time. How is free speed (as fast as some killers), Endurance (another health state + sprint burst), and body blocking trivial? The killer can just ignore all of that, and not lose anything for it?
basekit bt is fair. Quit complaining about everything survivors have
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I like the bloodpoints
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@Reinami said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3842758#Comment_3842758
Never watched a comp game have you?
Keep in mind when i say these things i say them from the PoV of the OTHER 30 killers that aren't the top ones. You'll never see a trapper win a comp match, or a legion for example.
no one cares about comp
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@Murgleïs said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3842047#Comment_3842047
Show us your winstreak with no perks no addons. That would be easy right ?
Thanks.
let’s see you do it too
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@Shroompy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3839999#Comment_3839999
I have a feeling Oni and the killers that are really good at keeping Survivors injured are gonna take a long time before theyre added to 2v8
I so badly wanted to play as Oni along side my friend😭💀
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@ASurvkillivorer said:
It's really dumb for pips to not be included in the 2nd version. Why? because the extra BP we get from this mode is basically void because we don't get rank reset rewards later on if we stay on this mode.
Even if it had to be simplified to like….escape get a pip. Get a few kills get a pip.
why can’t we use bloodpoint offerings is beyond me
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isn’t this what people wanted tho?
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I like the scout class the most so far
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@NovaKane said:
Wow, 9 straight games with a Huntress in 2v8. So thrilling
I am so mad they chose spirit over Oni. Like bruh why😭
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@Gardhome said:
2V8 | Developer Update : r/deadbydaylight
Trapper and Billy getting buffed. Huntress and Nurse see justified nerf. Also new classes for both sides looks fantastic. I see only 2 problems at least for me
Killer Classes
New Killer Class: Shadow
- Class Ability: When within 32 meters of a teammate, you gain Undetectable. Injuring a Survivors transfers the Undetectable effect to your teammate instead. This ability has a cooldown of 30 seconds.
- Info Ability: When your teammate initiates chase with a Survivor, reveal the Survivor for an additional 4 seconds.
This class sound completly weak trash, i mean whats a poin with undetectable status effect that work only on you with your teammate radius (means you do not get value cause survivors still can hear your teammate terror radius)
And second from all killers they can bring to mod they choose the most boring one (Spitit, Deathslinger, Blight). Its really dissapointment.
no oni? ######### man. Disappointed😔
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@Green_Sliche said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3837318#Comment_3837318
They hate him because guy tends to speak the unpleasant truth.
The fact that survivor-favored posts get 2 or 3 times more upvotes than killer-favored ones should be a good enough indicator how biased this forum is. It's also the reason why developers shouldn't rely on people feedback when opinions that benefit one certain side often get voiced much louder than the other.
“They hate him because guy tends to speak the unpleasant truth.”
Nope it’s because he is very biased
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@steamed_hamzzz said:
It’s way too easy for a top tier killer to hard tunnel a survivor out of the game, then still have Pain Resonance to pretty much guarantee them the win
Deactivating on a survivor death would encourage spreading out hooks more and punish players who decide to hard tunnel at 4/5 gens
no
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@Raptorrotas said:
Well, you used a truetalent vid, so by this forums logic your argument is invalid by default.
I wish this was a joke but this forum hates that guy for some reason that eludes me.
because he is super biased
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@WolfyWood said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3835899#Comment_3835899
Surprised Dead Hard, Resilience and WoO didn't make the post.
or spine chill
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@PreorderBonus said:
They’re solid number tweaks, but overall, he’s still a weak, outdated killer with no real chase power. He won’t rank high on anyone’s tier list, and what’s even worse is that everyone is going to completely ignore him after these changes, since he’s technically not bottom tier anymore. I’d say D-tier at best, not suitable for 2024 DBD at all.
Myers is a special case where people don’t really care about him being weak. They find him fun regardless because people feel like they are playing the actual character. Any buff he gets are just a plus.
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@Royval said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3833234#Comment_3833234
no I would say it’s more like remove the pity escape option more than everything else. Why wouldn’t you wanna loop at killer in order to escape? That should be there instead of the hand holding trap door.
now hatch is hand holding apparently
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@Toystory3Monkey said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3832395#Comment_3832395
i know they can make things better instead of continuing to utilize a cheap dynamic which may easily include recycling the hatch to fit more in that dynamic.
the point is not to suggest them to remove something, the point is to suggest to make it more fair and healthy instead of naively asking them to remove all the things you dislike without addressing the things other people dislike. be less biased.
your suggestion does nothing about slugging for the 4k. I had a suggestion that fixed it and it doesn’t punish the killer at all. You still win. Asking for one last big chase at then end is a terrible idea because most of the resources are used. How do you expect to last as you said 90 seconds with nothing? And who does this benefit most in that big chase? Yeah the killer. be less biased
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lol
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@Toystory3Monkey said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3832392#Comment_3832392
keep missing the point of what im saying, you're definitely making me respect your opinion more by that
you want it to be one last chase instead of hatch. You know they aren’t gonna get rid of a mechanic that’s been in the game for 8 years so what’s the point of suggesting its removal
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@Toystory3Monkey said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3832387#Comment_3832387
you may interpret my words however you want, but im not going to engage in a discussion with you if you do that in the most incorrect way imaginable, it's pointless to argue with a strawman
you said you want to get rid of hatch. They aren’t gonna get rid of it.
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@Toystory3Monkey said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3832337#Comment_3832337
id rather get rid of an uninteractive coin flip with hatch and gates.
i mean, surely not the people who crutch on that, but i'd rather have something more exciting and fun.
they are never gonna get rid of hatch. It gives an incentive to at least last to the end for survivors when the game is lost. Plus its thematic in the since that In horror movies their is always a “final survivor”. Hatch is 50/50 so you can still kill them. My suggestion removes the boring slug for 4k