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@Icaurs said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3085439#Comment_3085439
That's not... counterpoint. This is very common in a lot of games. Certain roles that are suited for specific areas are denied access to certain abilities for the sake of balance.
I don't know why you think DBD is special. If you can point out why this wouldn't fix a lot of balancing issues for the killer side, I would be happy to hear your thoughts. Otherwise there is no need to respond with "your wrong, I don't care what you think."

You're not reading arguments. Some people want Nurse to have no addons, some want her to have no M1 perks. Some people want her nerfed into the ground and they all think they're right.

These aren't solutions, just petty fantasies.

Again, there's not a single killer who can't use perks, Nurse is not going to be the first. Its bad design.

in Can Nurse please be tuned down a bit now the update has come out? Comment by foxsansbox July 23, 2022

@Icaurs said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3082280#Comment_3082280
I mean... should they not. If balance is so important, would it not make sense for killers who are really strong, or even just really strong in one area, not have access to certain perks.
It would actually make the game easier to balance around, as instead of perks being nerfed to the point of being far to weak, you simply prevent certain killers form have access to them. That is what caused the nerf to ruin/tinker. The combination was fine on a majority of killers, however killers towards the top end or with high mobility, the combination was way to oppressive. Instead of just nerfing the perk, you prevent certain killers form accessing it, soft nerfing specific combinations, without actually nerfing the perk to the point of being weak.
The fact is Nurse doesn't need any perks, any half way decent Nurse player can demonstrate this. Preventing her access to most if not all gen slow down perks would quite honestly fix a lot issues with her, without removing her from the top place, you would just need to reach the skill needed play at that level, making her strong, but earned.

You wrote a whole lot to justify how you feel, using only subjective comments. Thankfully, no dev is going to agree with the people who reccomend that perks should just be turned off al a carte for killers. They know better.

in Can Nurse please be tuned down a bit now the update has come out? Comment by foxsansbox July 23, 2022

@tester said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3083511#Comment_3083511
I'm not sure I understand your comment. Yes, I consider build with 4 gen slowdowns absolutely sweatiest. You wasted perk slot on Discordance. Smart survivors would make it useless.

My point is I don't need to try your exact build. I've played enough to know how sweaty I was being.

If a Legion wants to win that badly, they're going to find a way. It's not markedly different from much of the roster now, I imagine some holdouts like clown are still doodoo.

in Tried full sweat Legion... LOL Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

@tester said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3083477#Comment_3083477
Try exactly my build. Prioritize kicking gens over looping. Only down people who are out positioned. You will be surprised what standing around gen for 25 seconds and doing nothing does to their progress.

So I played a fairly sweaty build that included perpetual frenzy addons, discordance, and thana. If you believe your build is that much sweatier than mine, then sure, you got your easy win -> But then you're just like the survivors I was describing who wanted it more.

in Tried full sweat Legion... LOL Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

@Hibagon said:
I played a match as killer where the only slowdown i ran was corrupt intervention. I chased and hooked two survivors over the course of about 3 mins without ever even seeing the other 2 survivors. No gens done. Just before the patch that would have been two gens gone easily. Its like people have just decided they dont want to do gens anymore.

First Archive Tome Release is very recent, on top of the patch.

in Survivors are literally throwing games Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

@Lecruidant said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3083442#Comment_3083442
No. It's also been reinforced by posts on Steam and post game Killers talking ######### about SB. Somebody above me already said they remembered the post

They haven't produced it, either. You both must know all the best people. Source: Trust me, bro.

What there is, however, is a blatantly satirical thread about lithe that if you can use a search function you cannot miss.

in Survivors are literally throwing games Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

At least two people told me to try Legion with his mean stuff on before I pass judgement, so I did. About 10 games in, it's a mix. I have absolutely won and absolutely lost and the only difference between the two was how bad the survivors wanted to win.

At the end of the day, if the team splits up, legion is an M1 killer who cannot use his power to down at loops.

in Tried full sweat Legion... LOL Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

@Lecruidant said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3083401#Comment_3083401
I can't find it when searching, but it was within the past few days. Basically was whining asking how to deal with Sprint Burst and Lithe. And that it felt "Pointless" to chase after because of how much distance they made. lmfao

So your point was reinforced by a single example that you can't find? I tried using the search function and I couldn't find it either. I need your help.

in Survivors are literally throwing games Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

killers starting to complain about SB and Lithe? Where? Please point me. I need to see.

in Survivors are literally throwing games Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

@konochivu said:
Remember when Halloween chapter came out and they changed unrelenting because it would stack with stbfl? Yeah now you have old unrelenting that stacks with stbfl. You know what baffles me more? The fact that they downgrade survivor meta to the point where it barely can compete against strong killers or just outright and blatantly lie or contradict themselves with the example of how they fixed camping and tunneling while nerfing tools that prevent tunneling and camping to the ground. Thanks BHVR for killing your game, I'm done.

It takes a lot of entitlement to look at your personal feelings and postulate: If I'm done, that must mean no one else is happy and the game is dying.

See you in the fog.

in BHVR just killed their own game. Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3082436#Comment_3082436
Here you go:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/334406/please-increase-the-dc-penalty-and-do-something-about-hook-suicide
Sure they aren't enjoying the game either, and honestly I'm not having a good old time either, but suiciding/dcing just makes that not so great time into a even more miserable one for everyone else.

If I had it my way, a giant message would pop up in a game where a survivor DC'd/suicided one too many times and it would tell the remaining survivors, killer:

"Congratulations, you have watched this player sabotage a game for the last time. They will never be seen again."

And they're never seen again, because they're injected into bot matches or banned or given a 2 month DC penalty.

in Please stop dcing and suiciding on hook... Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

@EternalSinOfCain said:
Been seeing this a lot myself. Their DH doesn't work, they kill themselves on hook.
I was playing Nemesis and literally had a Jake and a Nancy just run up to me. So I downed the Jake, and hooked him. Nancy flashlight clicked at me and I started to chase her... Jake kills himself on hook. I down the Nancy, hook her, she does the same. After the match I asked What the hell was going on, the Jake said "Perks are worthless, can't do ######### anyway. Maybe if we make the game look bad enough, the devs will actually fix this bullshit update."
So yeah... Survivors actually are throwing just to inflate the kill rates. It's kind of pathetic to see really.

@MandyTalk I know you've stated that DC's aren't included in killrate calculations, amongst other things - Are there plans to weed out outliers like game throwers as well? Either based on personal suicide streaks or other methods of measurement (Time of death, IE, out in the first 60 seconds they clearly had to kill themselves on hook)

I genuinely think some of the changes will be looked at, like DS, and probably BT basekit getting a few more seconds, but survivors are literally dc'ing for every little imagined slight now, sometimes no slight at all.

in Survivors are literally throwing games Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3082415#Comment_3082415
Just the other day I made a thread asking for dc penalties to be increased and for a system that detects people who constantly suicide on hook to get them penalties too, but the response was still the same, that we can't force players to stay in a game they dont like.

I'm on here too much but there is definitely a chance I missed the thread.

The people with that 'Can't force anyone' mindset are probably the very same players suiciding and DCing. Rejoice in the fact that while they don't believe in common sense DC enforcement, they're definitely not having fun either.

in Please stop dcing and suiciding on hook... Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3082399#Comment_3082399
I'm aware of what I have said before, and it was out of frustration, because reality is that I don't do it.

I hope that's the truth.

Edit:

@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3082388#Comment_3082388
It can get better. They need to start making a different queue for people who dc and suicide on hook constantly. Make them play with each other so they can do that all they want.

Wishful thinking. BHVR would only be so kind to start filtering out the crap once and for all.

in Please stop dcing and suiciding on hook... Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3082387#Comment_3082387
I don't though. Not even when I am being facecamped.

That's not what you've said before.

in Please stop dcing and suiciding on hook... Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3082361#Comment_3082361
It is. Not only ironic but pathetic as well.

Does that mean you're going to stop suiciding?

in Please stop dcing and suiciding on hook... Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

@Canas said:
You're basically sitting in queue for up to 10 mins just to end up in a match which ends in 2-5 mins once people hear your shrieks. They either suicide onhook or flatout disconnect. That's what you have to expect if you're picking this killer.
The alternative scenario, as a survivor: everyone immediately gives up and you have no choice but to do the same since the Nurse obviously has no interest in farming with you after your team left you behind. The killer proceeds to type "gg ez" despite wasting more time on setting up and loading into game than actually playing it. Marvellous.
Anyone wanna tell me how this is healthy for the game? Picking this killer is the equivalent of typing "sv_cheats 1" into the console and noclipping through the map for an easy win. This is ridiculous. I guarantee you, her killrate will be the highest ever recorded once the latest sheet of statistics will be revealed.

I am not responsible for the survivors being piss-addled brats. I'm not going to stop playing the game or enjoying it the way I choose to enjoy it because they think they can hold status-quo hostage by suicide spamming.

Protip: They DC/Suicide when I pick Legion. They DC/Suicide when I pick Pig. They DC/Suicide for any little excuse they can think of.

in What point is there in even playing as or against The Nurse? Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3082289#Comment_3082289
It's funny how some of you claim to want better solo q, yet here I am, someone who mains solo q asking you people to stop ruining it even more and you refuse.

Ironic, isn't it?

in Please stop dcing and suiciding on hook... Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

@Moxie said:
The grind is only reduced if you planned on getting every survivor/Killer with every perk.
Most people just want their favorite survivors/Killers to have the good perks so the grind has NOT been reduced.

If you only need the good perks on your favorite killer/survivor, then you're not suffering from the grind like others are to begin with.

in It's very clear that they did not reduced the grind at this point, right? By a very big margin. Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

I hate the slippery slope fallacy, I really do, it's lazy and easy to abuse.

But I know that there isn't a universe in existence where her M1 becomes a special attack and y'all don't immediately start losing your minds over 4 gen slowdown Nurse.

Not. A. Single. Universe.

in Can Nurse please be tuned down a bit now the update has come out? Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

@Weasdat said:
You can use dead hard on every survivor. I can't play nurse if I'm playing pig.

This, also DH didn't have a skill ceiling that validated how strong it was.

in Both sides should have equalizers like nurse and old dead hard. Comment by foxsansbox July 22, 2022

@jesterkind said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3079594#Comment_3079594
Oh- I see, yes, this is another MMR system thread.
There's a lot of reasons why MMR systems like the one in Dead By Daylight only look at your winrate. It's the most consistent, reliable proxy for skill at the game that there is- add too many requirements and you get the disaster of the emblem system's matchmaking, where you have to play in a super arbitrary way in order to raise your rank. Now, that was a problem also because it wasn't very hard, but it still isn't a good idea.
Having the MMR based on your winrate is the expected normal, there's no reason why this game should be any different. If players are taking it as some kind of weird incentive, that isn't the MMR system's fault-- BHVR just need to make it more clear that you're not supposed to be actively gunning for maxing your MMR.

To compound, not only is kills/escapes (IE, winning) the universal measuring stick for a reason, the other methods are incredibly weak.

Imagine measuring by hooks? Killer hooks everyone twice, everyone gets out, who wins? If you told Survivors they absolutely lost that, even though they escaped, would it make sense? Should the killer be told they lost when that got 8 or 9 hooks?

If you don't measure the most appropriate statistic, you end up with extremes where it should look like both sides won or lost. Once you have that, you have MMR inflation and it's all downhill from there.

in IMO, the biggest problem is under what condition you can rise or fall in MMR: kills or escapes Comment by foxsansbox July 21, 2022

@Grigerbest said:
Guys, what perks survivors you're up against are using now?
Well I know, survivors didn't come up with new meta yet, but the one perk that I was actually expecting a lot in the games is BT... And I don't see it. Like AT ALL. I don't see much OTR either, and only 1 DS from... 15 matches, and suddenly, no lightweight, no hope?
What I do see a lot is boons. Literally. 2 or all 4 survivors in matches running boons, botany, SB, balance landing, med-kits(not perk), and I don't feel like it's a good strat if the killer chases you all the way to the down. Or if he decides to tunnel. Less survivors with flashlights and more toolboxes. (obvious reasons)
What is completely gone perks... I think you know at least 2 of them... For me it's iron will and DH. I see them maybe the same way I see DS in matches...
It's not for me to decide, but is lightweight a bad perk? BT is bad now? Maybe OTR? I see a lot of people complaining about tunneling and camping problem, yet they bring boons and botany.
What perks they are using in your matches?

I'm seeing a lot of Lucky Break's and it's making me do a Travolta head fake every 60 seconds.

in Question for Killer mains. Comment by foxsansbox July 21, 2022

@JibbyNeutron said:
Timestamped VOD I was currently watching. Killer games are to easy and they get bored of that.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1536642400?t=03h01m00s

You know what's really funny - in the very next game he soloQ's as Claudette and the entire team escapes without much issue. If you are going to cherry-pick, you would've been better served finding an actually isolated video that didn't undermine your point completely.

in Killer mains starting to get bored Comment by foxsansbox July 21, 2022

@[Deleted User] said:
So you can share other people's games but not your own?

This. OP needs to get a clue.

in Killer mains starting to get bored Comment by foxsansbox July 21, 2022

@GeneralV said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3078989#Comment_3078989
I sincerely hope she doesn't get the Freddy-Billy treatment. No one deserves that.

Billy too. Oh lord, has BHVR tanked some absolutely fantastic killers.