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@Milo said:
I will buy with money. Why not.Because he is poorly designed?
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The whole locker buff is garbage from the get go.
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Since I have the shards anyway, I might "buy" Legion, just because I have all the killer.
But for sure I skip on the survivor skin that make me more visible (Jeff).
If I want a bearded, scar eyed survivor, I can play David.
For sure I am not spending real money on any of this. -
The grind through the bloodweb will be terrible with all the perks that you can't use just spamming in your bloodweb.
Image in a low level Legion with bad luck and just tons of perks to choose from which he can't benefit from. -
@Master said:
@Wolf74 said:
BT is already a meta runner up.
One of those 4th slots that people take after they picked their usual loadout of SB,SC,DS.
After the patch it won't be a runner up, but a solid 3rd perk choice (after the op SC and SB).
Maybe some people will run either DS or BT, but since BT now encourages to chase the unhooker, it will most likely be used together.
So the holy trinity will become the holy quadruple (SC,SB,DS;BT).My slugging doc will create loads of salt
The threads complaining about slugging will skyrocket again.
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BT is already a meta runner up.
One of those 4th slots that people take after they picked their usual loadout of SB,SC,DS.
After the patch it won't be a runner up, but a solid 3rd perk choice (after the op SC and SB).
Maybe some people will run either DS or BT, but since BT now encourages to chase the unhooker, it will most likely be used together.
So the holy trinity will become the holy quadruple (SC,SB,DS;BT). -
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@donato said:
It's so easily counterable when it's on the obsession and it's very unlikely to activate when it's on a non-obsession player. How exactly is this perk too strong?it doesnt as long as NOED exists as it is
yawn
The old troupe.
DS and Noed are NOT different sides of the same coin.
You are comparing apples and oranges.
DS is way better than Noed.
Have you every seen DS destroyed before you could use it?with ds you can juggle the survivor, with noed you can destroy all of the totems. DS gives a free escape from the killers grasp, NOED gives a free exposed effect and we dont even get the luxury of knowing you have NOED its a suprise unlike DS. not apples and oranges because they both are OP
DS works from the get go. You do not have to wait for it till all gens are done.
That's a huge momentum advantage.
This is only comparable to a perk that would expose all survivors right from the start.
How would you like a DS that only works after all gens are done and that could be destroyed in advance?
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@donato said:
It's so easily counterable when it's on the obsession and it's very unlikely to activate when it's on a non-obsession player. How exactly is this perk too strong?it doesnt as long as NOED exists as it is
yawn
The old troupe.
DS and Noed are NOT different sides of the same coin.
You are comparing apples and oranges.
DS is way better than Noed.
Have you every seen DS destroyed before you could use it? -
@Avariku said:
this tired argument will never cease until every killer can 4k consistently and survivors only play the game for the mediocre BP they can get inbetween deaths and the occasional free escape handed out by benevolent killers.LoL
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
So from what I've seen on legion, I'm planning to run bloodhound for better tracking, Monitor and abuse to mess with my terror radius Sloppy butcher because he can get many hits in one go and thanataphobia because even though the numbers are low if they don't want to heal they will be punished a bit. What do you plan on running on legion and will you even buy him?
Edit: Franklin's could also potentially be good but as always it's situationalThanatophobia is still a garbage perk. The values are still way to low to do anything.
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I am already looking forward to the mass of complains about camping.^^
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Another shortcoming of the Legion.
Just plain bad gamedesign. -
@thekiller490490 said:
A drop down could work.Nope, that would only create another way to loop.
They did that on Ironworks and it sucks for killer. -
@WhiteAqua7 said:
Remove the blob when someone gets hooked, dies or does a generator, just give us the aura. Numerous times I have been sniped by huntress or stalked by Michael because I couldn't see the killer. The blob allows survivors to know the location of things but ultimately does more harm than good. There has to be a better way to reveal locations without hindering survivor's view.So that "blob" is actually working as intended.
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@WhiteAqua7 said:
Cymer said:@WhiteAqua7 said:
There is DS and then there is nurse with 3 blinks bbq, ruin, noed and an ebony mori
THATS EXACTLY WHATS WRONG WITH DS!
You compare ONE perk with the strongest killer in the game, with 3 specific perks, add-ons and a rare item.
You can use DS every game, but with 3 blink and mori you have to grind for these items and add-ons after every use.
I'm saying that DS no where near as strong as that but I agree that it needs to be changed. 3 blinks however is stronger than any crutch in the game.
So you compare 3 blinks which needs either 2 add ons 1 very rare add on to get with a perk that doesn't need anything else…?
Gotcha.^^ -
@Brady said:
@Wolf74 said:
The problem is that the Devs try to balance the game somewhere in the middle.
Trying to ease it on the low ranks and in the same process make it worse for the high ranks.
While low rank survivor get it slightly better, the high rank killer get it much worse.
Competitive Pvp games need to get balanced top down. That's how EVERY other game is doing it. I do no other game beside Dbd that is doing it otherwise.This IS NOT a strictly competitive based game, and the devs have made that so-clear.
There are 2 sides, one solo versus a team.
Both played by and against actual humans (aka PVP).
How can that be "non competitive"?
This is no coop game. Someone needs to lose for the other to win.
Even in the "balanced" game with 2 dead/2 escape, the dead "lost". -
@ThatDidact said:
@Wolf74 said:
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@ThatDidact said:
@Wolf74 said:
So, any arguments beside "all killer are skillless grunts"?
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that killers don't have to be good in order to beat survivors in low ranks with little effort.
So you did not say that?
Wait… let me see…@ThatDidact said:
People tend to forget that because the base stats of the killer more than compensate for it. It doesn't take much skill to chase down and whack someone a couple of times when you move significantly faster than them. .... Lower skilled survivors are also uncoordinated, which leaves them sitting ducks for all but the most brain-dead killers.Exactly. That's exactly what I said. I don't understand why you're trying to derail the conversation by making it seem that I'm saying all killers are bad at the game. I'm a killer main. I'm just talking about game balance at low ranks.
If you don't want that debate, don't start it.
I didn't. The only one participating in that debate is you.
YOU said that it does not need skill to down someone and any non-brain-dead killer could do that.
Stick to your word or just say sorry and rephrase it.
You can't come here tell every killer to be skillless jerks and expect that the player just accept that general insult. -
@Auspun said:
@Mister_Holdout said:
It's a free escape in a game where killers are already under-powered verse good survivors.C'mon now.
People keep saying survivors are overpowered but BHVR showed the stats on one of their streams in November (I believe the 15th?) and even at rank one across platforms, percentage of survivors escaping is 40-45%. Getting average 2 kills out of 4 possible sounds fairly fair to me (although I wish they'd drill down further and have shared the rates per character)
Those stats most likely included DCs as "kill".
Also matches where less than 4 spawned had been included.
And snowballing from 1 DCing, ragequitting or suiciding on the hook have been included.
Same for overaltruistic plays, where 3 could have escaped, but they tried to "safe em all" and got rekt.
Or just outright overconfident survivor that played cocky to farm some point instead of leaving.As long as survivor do not NEED to survive to rank up, these stats are pointless.
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@SpongeBob420Pants said:
- NOED: Just remove it from the game.
- Camping/face camping: Increase the negative chaser points based off proximity (Face camping from first hook until dead should result in no chaser emblem).
- Decisive strike: It should require the 50% wiggle regardless of obsession.
How about:
-Balance gen rush
-Fix looping
-Balance Self Care
-Rework DS
-Fix killer FoV
-Fix hitdetection
-Fix Freddy
-Punish hook rushes and unsafe unhooks in general
-Remove voice com -
@ThatDidact said:
@Wolf74 said:
@ThatDidact said:
@Wolf74 said:
So, any arguments beside "all killer are skillless grunts"?
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that killers don't have to be good in order to beat survivors in low ranks with little effort.
So you did not say that?
Wait… let me see…@ThatDidact said:
People tend to forget that because the base stats of the killer more than compensate for it. It doesn't take much skill to chase down and whack someone a couple of times when you move significantly faster than them. .... Lower skilled survivors are also uncoordinated, which leaves them sitting ducks for all but the most brain-dead killers.Exactly. That's exactly what I said. I don't understand why you're trying to derail the conversation by making it seem that I'm saying all killers are bad at the game. I'm a killer main. I'm just talking about game balance at low ranks.
If you don't want that debate, don't start it.
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@ThatDidact said:
@Wolf74 said:
So, any arguments beside "all killer are skillless grunts"?
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that killers don't have to be good in order to beat survivors in low ranks with little effort.
So you did not say that?
Wait… let me see…@ThatDidact said:
People tend to forget that because the base stats of the killer more than compensate for it. It doesn't take much skill to chase down and whack someone a couple of times when you move significantly faster than them. .... Lower skilled survivors are also uncoordinated, which leaves them sitting ducks for all but the most brain-dead killers. -
@Master said:
...+1
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@towhead said:
this is actually a videogame but i can see why you are struggling now.yep, I actually play the "monster/bad guy/evil" and instead of indulging into it, I get peer pressured into "acting like a good sportsman".
#########?
Have you ever seen a slasher movie where the killer was like that? -
@Orion said:
@OrionsFury4789 said:
@Peanits I personally think it’s a bad idea but who am I to say? Lol
My reasoning behind it is that you’re encouraging more toxicity by making some people who we know are very vulgar survivor/killer mains on the forums HAVE to respond if they want to show they disagree instead of hitting a button and moving on, there are too many immature people on here who will definitely derail a topic for disagreeing now because it’s the only way they can show their non approval creating arguments with some people who can’t handle when people don’t always agree.Then those people will get banned and the forum will be all the better for it. That's what we call a win-win.
I highly doubt that.
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@Koriandr said:
Wouldn’t be much a problem if it notified survivors they’re exposed like rancor does before getting surprised attacked by itYea, god forbid that any survivor gets a nasty surprise in a HORROR SURVIVAL game.
Survivor should not get jump scared or get an unexpected hit while they felt safe.
Right?
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@Ryuhi said:
I already brought up deliverance and how it could be factored into the equation, but you refuse to read anything that you can't directly complain about. Keep being impartial bud.I read it. I am not answering every post sentence for sentence. And in essence it doesn't matter. It makes things worse, just like I actually said in my post, You just search for anything to bad mouth me.
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@ThatDidact said:
@Zarathos said:
ThatDidact said:@Wolf74 said:
The problem is that the Devs try to balance the game somewhere in the middle.
Trying to ease it on the low ranks and in the same process make it worse for the high ranks.
While low rank survivor get it slightly better, the high rank killer get it much worse.
Competitive Pvp games need to get balanced top down. That's how EVERY other game is doing it. I do no other game beside Dbd that is doing it otherwise.
I just don't see that being viable unless you want to drive out casual survivors from the game entirely. If you balance DBD around the highest level of play, killers are going to be buffed/reworked across the board. That's going to turn the lower ranks into an absolute slaughterhouse for survivors who aren't sweating in a SWF group. I haven't been playing this game for a very long time, and I'm not an amazing killer, but I was casually 4-manning in all of my matches until I reached the tryhards. I just think that even without any of your proposed changes, killers are just too strong against lower-skilled survivors.
You mean what happened with league, hearthstone and halo. Oh wait that didnt happen because heres the thing a game can balance itself without effecting lower ranked players. Low ranked killers will still bump into terrain chase badly and get juked easily. Lower ranked survivours can and will take advantage of that.
People tend to forget that killers as well as survivours play like crap at low ranks too.
People tend to forget that because the base stats of the killer more than compensate for it. It doesn't take much skill to chase down and whack someone a couple of times when you move significantly faster than them. Survivors become overpowered because of coordination and teamwork compounding their own skill. That's what they rely on in high ranks. Lower skilled survivors are also uncoordinated, which leaves them sitting ducks for all but the most brain-dead killers. My inspiration for starting this topic was a match I had where a Huntress 4-manned me and some randoms without throwing a single hatchet and facecamping the entire time.
So, any arguments beside "all killer are skillless grunts"?
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@Arik13 said:
@Wolf74 said:
@Arik13 said:
Ok, I hate going up against this perk and when I use it I feel like I get rewarded for bad play, therefore I believe there should be a nerf incoming for this perk because it just rewards you for being bad at the game, I know some of you will say "just do the totems" like bro how tf am I gonna find 5 totems in a map like swamp or the game, it's a huge hassle that just is not worth it. Please tell me I'm not the only one feeling this way?I try to address this in a civil manner, ok?
Noed already recieved several balancing nerfs.
It used to be unlimited after the gens are powered.
Than it got limited to 2 min, which resultet in no one using it anymore.
Than totem became a thing and Noed became a Hex and is unlimited until destroyed.
Just last patch when all talked about the Noed buff that all tier now have an insta down, the tier 3 variant got nerfed.
So... in a nutshell, Noed right now is very balanced.
The killer decided to play most of the game with one perk doing nothing and is risking that this perk will get destroyed before it ever triggers.
And it is actually not so hard to do for survior, since they are FOUR player. It's not like one person needs to find all 5 totems.
If every survivor just gos into the game of cleansing at least one dull totem, chances are pretty good that Noed never will trigger (4 totems done plus one Hex[Ruin] destroyed, poof goes Noed).so please don't be lazy, don't gen rush, just do totems.
thank you for actually talking in a civilized manner and making good points , I would agree with you but I feel like I'm the only one that goes totem hunting in this game and I mostly only play solo so it's quite infuriating having to do work like this on my own since the other survs just wanna farm or bully the killer
Trust me, this is a topic, I have a hard time holding me back.
Anyway, the survivor are a team. The have to perform together in some way.
If some are distracting the killer, the rest is free to do objectives. Those are gens as well as totems.
If the team ignores that, they pay for it.
If they work together, either everyone doing some totems or 1 or 2 do them while the other distract (aka bully) the killer, they succeed (easy). -
@JanTheMan said:
The devs said it was always intended...The Devs also said that is was intended, but was not implemented, because they did know it would be unbalanced.
And it only got forced into the game by complaining survivors (reviewbombing). -
@Arik13 said:
Ok, I hate going up against this perk and when I use it I feel like I get rewarded for bad play, therefore I believe there should be a nerf incoming for this perk because it just rewards you for being bad at the game, I know some of you will say "just do the totems" like bro how tf am I gonna find 5 totems in a map like swamp or the game, it's a huge hassle that just is not worth it. Please tell me I'm not the only one feeling this way?I try to address this in a civil manner, ok?
Noed already recieved several balancing nerfs.
It used to be unlimited after the gens are powered.
Than it got limited to 2 min, which resultet in no one using it anymore.
Than totem became a thing and Noed became a Hex and is unlimited until destroyed.
Just last patch when all talked about the Noed buff that all tier now have an insta down, the tier 3 variant got nerfed.
So... in a nutshell, Noed right now is very balanced.
The killer decided to play most of the game with one perk doing nothing and is risking that this perk will get destroyed before it ever triggers.
And it is actually not so hard to do for survior, since they are FOUR player. It's not like one person needs to find all 5 totems.
If every survivor just gos into the game of cleansing at least one dull totem, chances are pretty good that Noed never will trigger (4 totems done plus one Hex[Ruin] destroyed, poof goes Noed).so please don't be lazy, don't gen rush, just do totems.
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@Zarathos said:
ThatDidact said:@Wolf74 said:
The problem is that the Devs try to balance the game somewhere in the middle.
Trying to ease it on the low ranks and in the same process make it worse for the high ranks.
While low rank survivor get it slightly better, the high rank killer get it much worse.
Competitive Pvp games need to get balanced top down. That's how EVERY other game is doing it. I do no other game beside Dbd that is doing it otherwise.
I just don't see that being viable unless you want to drive out casual survivors from the game entirely. If you balance DBD around the highest level of play, killers are going to be buffed/reworked across the board. That's going to turn the lower ranks into an absolute slaughterhouse for survivors who aren't sweating in a SWF group. I haven't been playing this game for a very long time, and I'm not an amazing killer, but I was casually 4-manning in all of my matches until I reached the tryhards. I just think that even without any of your proposed changes, killers are just too strong against lower-skilled survivors.
You mean what happened with league, hearthstone and halo. Oh wait that didnt happen because heres the thing a game can balance itself without effecting lower ranked players. Low ranked killers will still bump into terrain chase badly and get juked easily. Lower ranked survivours can and will take advantage of that.
People tend to forget that killers as well as survivours play like crap at low ranks too.
That's the usual doublestandard.
Killer related stuff should get balanced around top notch, best player available.
Survivor related stuff should get balanced around trash teammates and bad player. -
@Ryuhi said:
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@yeet said:
@Ryuhi said:
@Peanits said:
It's like that because you are not going to get away anyway. Even if you did theoretically get the 4% or you deliveranced off the hook, the killer could just as easily stand right there and down you again. There is no way to get endurance by unhooking yourself so you're basically as good as dead.The way it currently it just speeds up the process. You don't have to wait for the survivor to attempt an escape, get immediately downed and then rehooked. It just ends the game so everyone can move on to the next one.
A change of approach that may or may not be a hot take: If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time? Would make it a more impactful and less hopeless scenario, while still being fair to the "unbroken" last survivors.
If nothing that extreme, then at least some kind of bloodpoint bonus, similar to how killers get one for ragequitting survivors
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you were downed and hooked with noone else to save you, you lost, you don't need a free BT/adren because you feel entitled to an escapeYou seem to have completely missed the context of the discussion, so let me repeat it for you: the issue is with the last survivor not getting any chance at either Deliverance or a 4% self unhook. If you get to that point and your first hook is the last hook in the match, chances are you were not the worst player on the team. And if you were? This suggestion would mean literally nothing except more free BP for the killer. The suggestion offered is one that would hardly guarantee a free escape, but would add a bit more to the match. The survivor gets a chance to stuggle a bit more, the killer gets even more bloodpoint chances (which should be super easy, at this point, tb) so its really a win/win.
And what would it change?
It would only waste time.
Because the killer has nothing to do but stand there and wait for your try to unhook and hit you as soon as you hit the ground.
Let's just skip this nonsense and just give them a bloodpoitn scoreevent, like +500BP for "last man standing".Which is why the borrowed time and or adrenaline were mentioned: it would give the survivor a running start, which could lead to a chance to defend themselves. The only way this wouldn't be a BP buff for the killer is if they were afraid of actually having to play the game a little bit more. If this is the first time the person was hooked, you've already lost out on a good amount of sacrifice points as it is.
BT does not trigger if you unhook yourself.
Adrenaline is a very small situational chance that it could trigger.
And you already got extra handholding from the Devs: Invulnerability until you landed, free exhaustion relief, new perks to buff self unhooks.
What more are you asking for??
At some point this becomes insane.Did you read my suggestion, or just the killer complaining about it? let me repeat it real quick:
"If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time?"
And in case you also purposely ignored the rest of the scenario, this is specifically about last man standing situations where either the player never got to activate a selected perk (Deliverance,) or never got to even attempt to unhook themselves after going the entire match literally Unbroken. It also gives the killer a chance to get more BP in multiple categories, and would be an incredibly uphill battle for a survivor to even be able to do anything with.
lol
Yea, I actually did not read this.^^
And it would had been better if you not mention that again. XD
You ask for such an insane strong buff that it is beyond hilarious.
Stop asking for more safety nets and 2nd chances.
Survivor already have more than enough.So in other words, you'd rather make absolutely sure you get the 4k as easy as possible, without having to put in a small amount of extra work to get a lot more bloodpoints? Its no wonder all you ever do on this forum is complain about survivors.
Here we go again… the usual strawman of "easy 4K".
If arguments run out, it is the killer asking for an "easy 4K".
(And don't forget to spice it up with a little personal attack of "your biased!")How about you "process logic" now?
The killer already did everything! The killer already killed 3 and hooked the last.
No need to put some "extra work" into it.Now you're just misreading on purpose. I never said 4Ks are easy, just that this exact scenario would make SECURING your 4K Easier. You already have the 4k at the moment this scenario has happened: the last survivor has been placed on the hook. This is saying they giving them a chance to make their first hook not be their last hook. Its also saying the killer can actually cap out sacrifice points, since a good chunk of them come from actually placing survivors on the hook. The only difference is that the killer would have to work slightly harder to be able to secure the last kill, possibly. You know, assuming the survivor even pulls off the 4% self unhook, or is running a perk that would have literally otherwise done nothing.
I don't need to make my 4K "easier" in that scenario. I already HAVE it!
You just want another safety net to rob the killer of his ALREADY gained 4th K.And 4% is wrong, because it is 3x4% and the survivor can run perks/offerings to increase that to up to 100%.
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@The_Crusader said:
Orion said:@The_Crusader said:
Yes I've had this too. They can't find the other guy, often because they won't leave the first, so they just pick them up and knock them down again to prevent bleed out.
It absolutely is holding the game hostage it's always the crap killers who do this too who only get to that position by picking off the 2 rank 16s who got put into the game with you Survivors should have the option of bleeding out at 2x speed.
In that case above I would have just disconnected to let the other guy get the hatch. People can call it cheap but I haven't got time to sit through half an hour of that.
It's not holding the game hostage. That person will die even if they don't want to.
If they keep getting picked up and downed again it will be an extremely long process.
Its holding it hostage. It's trolling. Don't defend every scummy thing in the game.
I've seen it a few times and every time the survivors get fed up and feel forced to disconnect to end the game.
No it is NOT "holding the game hostage". The survivor will die at some point.
It is unpleasant? Yes.
Holding the game hostage? No.
Don't mix things up.
You can't go to court and want someone punished for something that annoys you, if it isn't covered by the law. -
@The_Crusader said:
A disguised killer would never work even without swf.Omg... the end if nigh… I am Upvoting Crusaders postings.^^
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@Ryuhi said:
@Wolf74 said:
@Ryuhi said:
@Wolf74 said:
@Ryuhi said:
@Wolf74 said:
@Ryuhi said:
@yeet said:
@Ryuhi said:
@Peanits said:
It's like that because you are not going to get away anyway. Even if you did theoretically get the 4% or you deliveranced off the hook, the killer could just as easily stand right there and down you again. There is no way to get endurance by unhooking yourself so you're basically as good as dead.The way it currently it just speeds up the process. You don't have to wait for the survivor to attempt an escape, get immediately downed and then rehooked. It just ends the game so everyone can move on to the next one.
A change of approach that may or may not be a hot take: If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time? Would make it a more impactful and less hopeless scenario, while still being fair to the "unbroken" last survivors.
If nothing that extreme, then at least some kind of bloodpoint bonus, similar to how killers get one for ragequitting survivors
no
more
second
chances
you were downed and hooked with noone else to save you, you lost, you don't need a free BT/adren because you feel entitled to an escapeYou seem to have completely missed the context of the discussion, so let me repeat it for you: the issue is with the last survivor not getting any chance at either Deliverance or a 4% self unhook. If you get to that point and your first hook is the last hook in the match, chances are you were not the worst player on the team. And if you were? This suggestion would mean literally nothing except more free BP for the killer. The suggestion offered is one that would hardly guarantee a free escape, but would add a bit more to the match. The survivor gets a chance to stuggle a bit more, the killer gets even more bloodpoint chances (which should be super easy, at this point, tb) so its really a win/win.
And what would it change?
It would only waste time.
Because the killer has nothing to do but stand there and wait for your try to unhook and hit you as soon as you hit the ground.
Let's just skip this nonsense and just give them a bloodpoitn scoreevent, like +500BP for "last man standing".Which is why the borrowed time and or adrenaline were mentioned: it would give the survivor a running start, which could lead to a chance to defend themselves. The only way this wouldn't be a BP buff for the killer is if they were afraid of actually having to play the game a little bit more. If this is the first time the person was hooked, you've already lost out on a good amount of sacrifice points as it is.
BT does not trigger if you unhook yourself.
Adrenaline is a very small situational chance that it could trigger.
And you already got extra handholding from the Devs: Invulnerability until you landed, free exhaustion relief, new perks to buff self unhooks.
What more are you asking for??
At some point this becomes insane.Did you read my suggestion, or just the killer complaining about it? let me repeat it real quick:
"If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time?"
And in case you also purposely ignored the rest of the scenario, this is specifically about last man standing situations where either the player never got to activate a selected perk (Deliverance,) or never got to even attempt to unhook themselves after going the entire match literally Unbroken. It also gives the killer a chance to get more BP in multiple categories, and would be an incredibly uphill battle for a survivor to even be able to do anything with.
lol
Yea, I actually did not read this.^^
And it would had been better if you not mention that again. XD
You ask for such an insane strong buff that it is beyond hilarious.
Stop asking for more safety nets and 2nd chances.
Survivor already have more than enough.So in other words, you'd rather make absolutely sure you get the 4k as easy as possible, without having to put in a small amount of extra work to get a lot more bloodpoints? Its no wonder all you ever do on this forum is complain about survivors.
Here we go again… the usual strawman of "easy 4K".
If arguments run out, it is the killer asking for an "easy 4K".
(And don't forget to spice it up with a little personal attack of "your biased!")How about you "process logic" now?
The killer already did everything! The killer already killed 3 and hooked the last.
No need to put some "extra work" into it. -
@Ryuhi said:
@yeet said:
@Ryuhi said:
@Wolf74 said:
@Ryuhi said:
@Wolf74 said:
@Ryuhi said:
@yeet said:
@Ryuhi said:
@Peanits said:
It's like that because you are not going to get away anyway. Even if you did theoretically get the 4% or you deliveranced off the hook, the killer could just as easily stand right there and down you again. There is no way to get endurance by unhooking yourself so you're basically as good as dead.The way it currently it just speeds up the process. You don't have to wait for the survivor to attempt an escape, get immediately downed and then rehooked. It just ends the game so everyone can move on to the next one.
A change of approach that may or may not be a hot take: If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time? Would make it a more impactful and less hopeless scenario, while still being fair to the "unbroken" last survivors.
If nothing that extreme, then at least some kind of bloodpoint bonus, similar to how killers get one for ragequitting survivors
no
more
second
chances
you were downed and hooked with noone else to save you, you lost, you don't need a free BT/adren because you feel entitled to an escapeYou seem to have completely missed the context of the discussion, so let me repeat it for you: the issue is with the last survivor not getting any chance at either Deliverance or a 4% self unhook. If you get to that point and your first hook is the last hook in the match, chances are you were not the worst player on the team. And if you were? This suggestion would mean literally nothing except more free BP for the killer. The suggestion offered is one that would hardly guarantee a free escape, but would add a bit more to the match. The survivor gets a chance to stuggle a bit more, the killer gets even more bloodpoint chances (which should be super easy, at this point, tb) so its really a win/win.
And what would it change?
It would only waste time.
Because the killer has nothing to do but stand there and wait for your try to unhook and hit you as soon as you hit the ground.
Let's just skip this nonsense and just give them a bloodpoitn scoreevent, like +500BP for "last man standing".Which is why the borrowed time and or adrenaline were mentioned: it would give the survivor a running start, which could lead to a chance to defend themselves. The only way this wouldn't be a BP buff for the killer is if they were afraid of actually having to play the game a little bit more. If this is the first time the person was hooked, you've already lost out on a good amount of sacrifice points as it is.
BT does not trigger if you unhook yourself.
Adrenaline is a very small situational chance that it could trigger.
And you already got extra handholding from the Devs: Invulnerability until you landed, free exhaustion relief, new perks to buff self unhooks.
What more are you asking for??
At some point this becomes insane.Did you read my suggestion, or just the killer complaining about it? let me repeat it real quick:
"If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time?"
And in case you also purposely ignored the rest of the scenario, this is specifically about last man standing situations where either the player never got to activate a selected perk (Deliverance,) or never got to even attempt to unhook themselves after going the entire match literally Unbroken. It also gives the killer a chance to get more BP in multiple categories, and would be an incredibly uphill battle for a survivor to even be able to do anything with.
@Ryuhi said:
@Wolf74 said:
@Ryuhi said:
@Wolf74 said:
@Ryuhi said:
@yeet said:
@Ryuhi said:
@Peanits said:
It's like that because you are not going to get away anyway. Even if you did theoretically get the 4% or you deliveranced off the hook, the killer could just as easily stand right there and down you again. There is no way to get endurance by unhooking yourself so you're basically as good as dead.The way it currently it just speeds up the process. You don't have to wait for the survivor to attempt an escape, get immediately downed and then rehooked. It just ends the game so everyone can move on to the next one.
A change of approach that may or may not be a hot take: If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time? Would make it a more impactful and less hopeless scenario, while still being fair to the "unbroken" last survivors.
If nothing that extreme, then at least some kind of bloodpoint bonus, similar to how killers get one for ragequitting survivors
no
more
second
chances
you were downed and hooked with noone else to save you, you lost, you don't need a free BT/adren because you feel entitled to an escapeYou seem to have completely missed the context of the discussion, so let me repeat it for you: the issue is with the last survivor not getting any chance at either Deliverance or a 4% self unhook. If you get to that point and your first hook is the last hook in the match, chances are you were not the worst player on the team. And if you were? This suggestion would mean literally nothing except more free BP for the killer. The suggestion offered is one that would hardly guarantee a free escape, but would add a bit more to the match. The survivor gets a chance to stuggle a bit more, the killer gets even more bloodpoint chances (which should be super easy, at this point, tb) so its really a win/win.
And what would it change?
It would only waste time.
Because the killer has nothing to do but stand there and wait for your try to unhook and hit you as soon as you hit the ground.
Let's just skip this nonsense and just give them a bloodpoitn scoreevent, like +500BP for "last man standing".Which is why the borrowed time and or adrenaline were mentioned: it would give the survivor a running start, which could lead to a chance to defend themselves. The only way this wouldn't be a BP buff for the killer is if they were afraid of actually having to play the game a little bit more. If this is the first time the person was hooked, you've already lost out on a good amount of sacrifice points as it is.
BT does not trigger if you unhook yourself.
Adrenaline is a very small situational chance that it could trigger.
And you already got extra handholding from the Devs: Invulnerability until you landed, free exhaustion relief, new perks to buff self unhooks.
What more are you asking for??
At some point this becomes insane.Did you read my suggestion, or just the killer complaining about it? let me repeat it real quick:
"If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time?"
And in case you also purposely ignored the rest of the scenario, this is specifically about last man standing situations where either the player never got to activate a selected perk (Deliverance,) or never got to even attempt to unhook themselves after going the entire match literally Unbroken. It also gives the killer a chance to get more BP in multiple categories, and would be an incredibly uphill battle for a survivor to even be able to do anything with.
you
do
not
deserve
a
free
borrowed
time
just
for
existingyou wouldn't get one unless very specific conditions are met, so I'm honestly questioning your ability to process logic at this point.
Are you kidding me?
Free extra buffs just because?
Two powerful effects just because you think it is a good idea and you call that "logic"??? -
@Ryuhi said:
@Wolf74 said:
@Ryuhi said:
@Wolf74 said:
@Ryuhi said:
@yeet said:
@Ryuhi said:
@Peanits said:
It's like that because you are not going to get away anyway. Even if you did theoretically get the 4% or you deliveranced off the hook, the killer could just as easily stand right there and down you again. There is no way to get endurance by unhooking yourself so you're basically as good as dead.The way it currently it just speeds up the process. You don't have to wait for the survivor to attempt an escape, get immediately downed and then rehooked. It just ends the game so everyone can move on to the next one.
A change of approach that may or may not be a hot take: If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time? Would make it a more impactful and less hopeless scenario, while still being fair to the "unbroken" last survivors.
If nothing that extreme, then at least some kind of bloodpoint bonus, similar to how killers get one for ragequitting survivors
no
more
second
chances
you were downed and hooked with noone else to save you, you lost, you don't need a free BT/adren because you feel entitled to an escapeYou seem to have completely missed the context of the discussion, so let me repeat it for you: the issue is with the last survivor not getting any chance at either Deliverance or a 4% self unhook. If you get to that point and your first hook is the last hook in the match, chances are you were not the worst player on the team. And if you were? This suggestion would mean literally nothing except more free BP for the killer. The suggestion offered is one that would hardly guarantee a free escape, but would add a bit more to the match. The survivor gets a chance to stuggle a bit more, the killer gets even more bloodpoint chances (which should be super easy, at this point, tb) so its really a win/win.
And what would it change?
It would only waste time.
Because the killer has nothing to do but stand there and wait for your try to unhook and hit you as soon as you hit the ground.
Let's just skip this nonsense and just give them a bloodpoitn scoreevent, like +500BP for "last man standing".Which is why the borrowed time and or adrenaline were mentioned: it would give the survivor a running start, which could lead to a chance to defend themselves. The only way this wouldn't be a BP buff for the killer is if they were afraid of actually having to play the game a little bit more. If this is the first time the person was hooked, you've already lost out on a good amount of sacrifice points as it is.
BT does not trigger if you unhook yourself.
Adrenaline is a very small situational chance that it could trigger.
And you already got extra handholding from the Devs: Invulnerability until you landed, free exhaustion relief, new perks to buff self unhooks.
What more are you asking for??
At some point this becomes insane.Did you read my suggestion, or just the killer complaining about it? let me repeat it real quick:
"If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time?"
And in case you also purposely ignored the rest of the scenario, this is specifically about last man standing situations where either the player never got to activate a selected perk (Deliverance,) or never got to even attempt to unhook themselves after going the entire match literally Unbroken. It also gives the killer a chance to get more BP in multiple categories, and would be an incredibly uphill battle for a survivor to even be able to do anything with.
lol
Yea, I actually did not read this.^^
And it would had been better if you not mention that again. XD
You ask for such an insane strong buff that it is beyond hilarious.
Stop asking for more safety nets and 2nd chances.
Survivor already have more than enough. -
I would love to play those.^^
Gremlins FTW!^^ -
@Orion said:
Peanits said they weren't.You are aware that any official HAS TO deny that, because of legal issues, huh?
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@Ryuhi said:
@Wolf74 said:
@Ryuhi said:
@yeet said:
@Ryuhi said:
@Peanits said:
It's like that because you are not going to get away anyway. Even if you did theoretically get the 4% or you deliveranced off the hook, the killer could just as easily stand right there and down you again. There is no way to get endurance by unhooking yourself so you're basically as good as dead.The way it currently it just speeds up the process. You don't have to wait for the survivor to attempt an escape, get immediately downed and then rehooked. It just ends the game so everyone can move on to the next one.
A change of approach that may or may not be a hot take: If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time? Would make it a more impactful and less hopeless scenario, while still being fair to the "unbroken" last survivors.
If nothing that extreme, then at least some kind of bloodpoint bonus, similar to how killers get one for ragequitting survivors
no
more
second
chances
you were downed and hooked with noone else to save you, you lost, you don't need a free BT/adren because you feel entitled to an escapeYou seem to have completely missed the context of the discussion, so let me repeat it for you: the issue is with the last survivor not getting any chance at either Deliverance or a 4% self unhook. If you get to that point and your first hook is the last hook in the match, chances are you were not the worst player on the team. And if you were? This suggestion would mean literally nothing except more free BP for the killer. The suggestion offered is one that would hardly guarantee a free escape, but would add a bit more to the match. The survivor gets a chance to stuggle a bit more, the killer gets even more bloodpoint chances (which should be super easy, at this point, tb) so its really a win/win.
And what would it change?
It would only waste time.
Because the killer has nothing to do but stand there and wait for your try to unhook and hit you as soon as you hit the ground.
Let's just skip this nonsense and just give them a bloodpoitn scoreevent, like +500BP for "last man standing".Which is why the borrowed time and or adrenaline were mentioned: it would give the survivor a running start, which could lead to a chance to defend themselves. The only way this wouldn't be a BP buff for the killer is if they were afraid of actually having to play the game a little bit more. If this is the first time the person was hooked, you've already lost out on a good amount of sacrifice points as it is.
BT does not trigger if you unhook yourself.
Adrenaline is a very small situational chance that it could trigger.
And you already got extra handholding from the Devs: Invulnerability until you landed, free exhaustion relief, new perks to buff self unhooks.
What more are you asking for??
At some point this becomes insane. -
@Incarnate said:
The core slight rework/tweaks to Shape/Myers.
- Make Myers be able to switch between EW1-2 freely.
- Make Myers be able to benefit from bloodlust in EW1 as well.
What do you think?
- No.
- YES!
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@D3vilz said:
Anyone else think that the hitbox while pallet vaulting and window vaulting is too big and too OP?
I’m ALWAYS getting hit while vaulting and it’s pretty annoying at This point.
Maybe shrink the hitbox while vaulting a bit?My experience is the complete opposite.
As a killer I often miss vaulting survivor when I thought that should have been a hit.If you only play survivor you obviously would never notice how it is from the other side.
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@Ryuhi said:
@yeet said:
@Ryuhi said:
@Peanits said:
It's like that because you are not going to get away anyway. Even if you did theoretically get the 4% or you deliveranced off the hook, the killer could just as easily stand right there and down you again. There is no way to get endurance by unhooking yourself so you're basically as good as dead.The way it currently it just speeds up the process. You don't have to wait for the survivor to attempt an escape, get immediately downed and then rehooked. It just ends the game so everyone can move on to the next one.
A change of approach that may or may not be a hot take: If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time? Would make it a more impactful and less hopeless scenario, while still being fair to the "unbroken" last survivors.
If nothing that extreme, then at least some kind of bloodpoint bonus, similar to how killers get one for ragequitting survivors
no
more
second
chances
you were downed and hooked with noone else to save you, you lost, you don't need a free BT/adren because you feel entitled to an escapeYou seem to have completely missed the context of the discussion, so let me repeat it for you: the issue is with the last survivor not getting any chance at either Deliverance or a 4% self unhook. If you get to that point and your first hook is the last hook in the match, chances are you were not the worst player on the team. And if you were? This suggestion would mean literally nothing except more free BP for the killer. The suggestion offered is one that would hardly guarantee a free escape, but would add a bit more to the match. The survivor gets a chance to stuggle a bit more, the killer gets even more bloodpoint chances (which should be super easy, at this point, tb) so its really a win/win.
And what would it change?
It would only waste time.
Because the killer has nothing to do but stand there and wait for your try to unhook and hit you as soon as you hit the ground.
Let's just skip this nonsense and just give them a bloodpoitn scoreevent, like +500BP for "last man standing". -
@Attackfrog said:
I never wanted a disguise killer.He is the "Scream" knockoff a few people wanted.
Pretty much this.
Yes, the trailer is completely off the real version of the killer and I think they already worked on Ghostface and did not get the Licence, but wanted to keep the work they already put into it. -
@WhiteAqua7 said:
Nerf DS but also nerf Nurse and Spirit. 4 ppl using DS will still all die against these killers, especially nurse, especially a nurse with 3 blinks. There is no real way to counter spirit's power. even if you use iron will the spirit can still hear footsteps. she can hear you but you cannot hear where she is, how is that fair? Spirits can just spam their power until the get lucky. Huntress and Hillbilly are the only balanced killers.Have you ever played Spirit?
Are you aware that she can NOT actually SEE anybody while phasewalking?? -
@Auspun said:
@Wolf74 said:
Or just imagine the killer could pick a perk that would actually be like DS.
Let us call it "decisive attack".
"2/3/4 survivor start the match exposed. This status is removed after they got downed once."How would you like that?
DS makes a 2 hit chase a 3 hit chase, this perk would make a 2 hit chase a 1 hit chase.
Would you like that?Devil's advocate but that's NOED (except at the start rather than end). And yeah it's possible to counter by cleansing all totems but searching for them takes up time that could be spent towards escaping, especially if you're solo because then you have no clue how competent your others are or if they're cleaning totems
And while D-Strike doesn't have a way to get rid of it in advance, it does have the Obsession to indicate that there's at least one person with it so if you see someone as the Obsession then you can adjust accordingly, whether that's chasing towards hooks, waiting til they're close enough to a hook to be able to pick up or dribble, or angling yourself so that if they strike they'll be dropped into a corner.
It's also notable that D-strikes aren't an automatic thing but a skill check, I'm sure they're hit more often at higher ranks but still not a guarantee. I usually go against killers in the lvl 10-8 range and the number of games where _any _of the survivors have an Obsession period is maybe 1/4 games, a fraction that can get reduced further depending on if killer is running Obsession perks (or if they're running a survivor Obsession perk like OoO, unlikely I know)
I think any nerf intended like making it Obsession-only should have other effects if you've not the Obsession so it's not a wasted perk slot
Your not really "right" about it (although I neither call you completely wrong). But...
Noed only works after all gens are done, which is a completely different momentum of the game.
DS can be used right from the get go and since this game has a lot of snowball potential this momentrum is really important.
And like you already mentioned, Noed can get destroyed before it ever starts working, unlike DS. -
@The_Crusader said:
Hello? Any responce?This is [BAD WORD] ridiculous. I'm getting 1-2 of them a day sometimes.
If any other game had 1 person wall hacking to see the opponent and was passing on that information on comms it would be a hack and they would be banned.
With Behaviour though it's all part of the game.
Lmfao get a grip.
Ok, mark this day buddy.
You are right about this topic.
OoO+voice com is basically cheating and should get addressed, no matter how low the percentage of that combo is. -
@thesuicidefox said:
I had an hour long game against a Spirit that outright refused to kill a guy because she wanted the 4k. I was injured (no SC and no medkit, all the chests were opened) and we need to do 2 more gens. I knew where hatch was, which was on the opposite side of the map from the other survivor. She would down him, camp the body, then get impatient and pick-up/drop them until they broke free. Then she would chase them for a bit and down them again. She did this OVER 10 TIMES!!!! What utter bull #########.The guy messaged me (Xbox) and said "do gens" which I replied "I can't bc I'm injured and I also only know where 1 gen is" (it was on Lery's and the only gen I knew about was in treatment center which was basically suicide). Eventually I found another gen in a corner somewhere, so I told him to just keep her away from this side of the map. I did that gen, she continued to do her BS. At some point she let the guy go completely, and he healed then found me and healed me. We split up and I found another gen (he went to TC to do that gen). She found him obviously, but he was maybe 15 seconds from bleeding out. He did the gen in her face, and she finally decided to hook him. I dodged her BBQ making her think I went to the gate and took hatch.
The really sad part is that this killer would have easily double pipped if she just killed the guy when she caught him that first time. She got a hook on me already, and there were 2 gens left. She basically held the game hostage for no reason other than to satisfy her ego, and at the end of ALL that BS she still didn't kill me (a typical outcome to these sorts of games). I told the guy thank you for taking the death and I owe him one if I see him again in the future. I woulda been fine to trade places with him if necessary, but that's not how things went down. He was cool about it and just wanted 1 of us to escape, so we at least accomplished that.
Killers that do this are literal cancer to the game. If she wants to slug the guy and come look for me, fine, but don't expect me to be a moron and come heal the guy when it's obvious you are camping him. Man up and leave, take the chance I save him if you want the 4k. Or kill him and take your 2 pip so the game can end. Don't be a spoiled brat.
@Orion Is the above a "dick move"? Most likely, yes.
Was it unfair or an exploit? No.
Can a killer really take the game hostage that way? No.
(Taking hostage as a killer only works with last survivor and no hatch or with bodyblocking the basement)
Who do you want to play the judge? Situations like this have so many variables, especially on the person playing it. Do you really want mechanics that force player to play a certain way to avoid this? Such things would always impact ALL player, not just the "dicks".
And btw, survivor play like douches for 2 years now and there are no outcry to force any mechanics on them to avoid that.
Not leaving the map while the gate is already open and farm extra chase points by looping near the gate and stuff like that. -
@Incarnate said:
You don't see a problem with players being forced to play a certain way?
That's THE most important question.
Not only to Mods, but especially to Devs.