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Unless he hit´s a three or a wall he can go on forever.
Ironic that people consider legit things hacks or exploits, while exploits are considered legit.
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@Peanits said:
@Tsulan said:
Either implement voice chat because everyone in a swf team uses it anyway or ban external voice chat programs to get the horror feeling back.I don't see the later one happening, since the voice chat is to much fun for swf survivors.
Banning voice chat is not possible. There's so many options out there, even some in your browser, that you can't possibly block them all. Not to mention Steam itself has voice chat built in, which is required to run the game. Even if you did manage to stop all of them, I could still grab my phone and talk to my friends over Discord like that.
Then implemend a voice chat into the game and balance around it.
Hunt: Showdown did this pretty well. You can play with strangers and others hear you too. So you reduce the talking to a minimum. It has a free weekend, if you want to try it
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Ask yourself, would you like it if someone did this to you continuously?
If the answer is no, then there you go. -
Banks in my country open at 8:30 and close at 2 PM.
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Well, you work in a bank. So unless you are the ATM, i´d expect you to be rather responsible if being a mod would be your actual job. I could be wrong tho.
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@Milo said:
We need to ask a question. What means to be toxic?If you have to ask, you´re part of the problem.
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@Nickenzie said:
BOTS, BOTS EVERYWHERE!!!!!There are only 2
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@Orion said:
No patience for that. I made the mistake of being a mod and admin a few times now (in other places, obviously), and in my experience, most users simply do not deserve the courtesy.
I have a lot of patience. The ones that don´t learn their lesson escalate until they learn their lesson.
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@Mr_Jay_Stark said:
SovererignKing said:
Mr_Jay_Stark said:I mean I could write a whole wall of text regarding this but no one will read it so I’ll just say I don’t think it’s necessarily the perks that are the problem I believe it’s the mechanics of the game that’s the issue.
Thank god someone else said it as well. I wouldn’t mind DS if the game was balanced for it. NOED... well... I don’t think I’d ever agree with that perk. Suddenly flipping the game like that is kind of cheesy.
Sorry for posting it again but :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hwMKJtVdFeYThis Huntress had plenty of time without Gen Rush to do well. I did break two totems and was anticipating NOED. I’m sure the rest of my team broke at least two themselves. So because we missed one totem some where, this Killer went from maybe a 2k if he camped that last guy out to a 4K. Never mind he played terrible (You can watch, I had eyes on him the whole match.) He couldn’t land hatchets at all and missed swings like crazy. Me and the 3 other Survivors got cheated out an escape we deserved. All because of one perk.
I don’t even know how she let both you and Quentin get away at the beginning. Yea she was terrible but I always cringe when I see killers like huntress or anyone with one shot capabilities (unless running add-ons to prevent them from doing so) running NOED! She needed more practice! I’d ask how she got to rank 8 but I think I know how lol
Maybe not used to play Huntress and got a daily.
Happens to me all the time. -
@Orion said:
I'd volunteer myself, but then half the users would be banned within a week for being such #########.
We shall cleanse this forum!
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@Orion said:
All the mods I have on my friends list are offline. EDIT: What we need is more mods from more timezones, instead of having 90% of the mods be from a handful of timezones.BHVR needs more mods.
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@WhateverIGuess said:
Do you know the incantation?Let´s hope they get a notification. If you know any other mod names, just post them.
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Game could be unstable. Yesterday i had 2 matches where i had connection issues. On the first one i got the connection error as the gates were powered and on the second one exactly as the game ended. Not sure if the points counted or not.
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I´d remove the heartbeat, red stain, scratch marks and change survivors from third person to first person.
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@thesuicidefox said:
@Tsulan said:
I don´t agree. All the survivor has to do to use DS is getting downed. Aka failing.
All the killer has to do to use NOED is track the survivor down and hit him. If he hits more than one, the survivors are cocky or dumb.To get that ability to down them, the killer failed at stopping gens. Again any argument you make for DS I can make for NOED.
Also it's not that hard to find survivors if there are only 2 locations they can go to escape. Also again not hard to chase them when you get an additional speed boost on top of a OHK.
@Tsulan said:
NOED is a lategame tactic like Blood Warden and Remember Me. Those 3 together can be a bitter surprise for survivors. Killer wasted 3 perks for the whole duration of the match, to have a strong endgame. This is a gamble. Because if he plays against SWF, he has to make sure he kills no one before the gates are powered. Otherwise the team can work around it.NOED being a "late game tactic" doesn't absolve it of being a crutch because there is NOTHING you did to earn it. BW and RM require the killer to actually do something to get the effect, they don't just get it for free (and especially don't get it if they fail).
Putting on DS is a gamble if the killer has obsession perks to punish your team for you being an obsession. See how I can keep doing this?
That's besides the point that putting on a perk isn't a gamble in the first place. A gamble is to do something like slug a guy that was hard to catch in the first place because you want to get the last guy too. Or trying to go for a basement hook when it looks a tad far because doing that will give you a huge advantage. Using a perk that might not be used is not a gamble because if you never use it then it's moot. Plus the fact that you can easily play 1 perk short all game if your other 3 perks are solid (eg. BBQ + Ruin + Nurse's).
Let´s agree to not agree.
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@thesuicidefox said:
I honestly don't see the big deal. I've played about 30 games as survivor in the last 3 days and I'm already sitting on about 60/90 gens. Haven't done killer yet but I'm not worried I can punch out 50 hooks in a few days which I plan to do after the weekend.Just keep playing, they pile up after a while.
Just tell us your experience as killer, once you start playing killer.
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@thesuicidefox said:
@Tsulan said:
NOED isn´t comparable to DS because it doesn´t qualify as crutch.
If a good killer has NOED, the survivors won´t even get to power all gens. If a bad killer has NOED, he gets 1 kill at most with it.If a good survivor has DS, he can initiate another long loop or even play cocky once the gates are open. If a bad survivor has DS, he wastes it on the first down and disconnects.
1) Good killers use NOED as a safety net "just in case" they fail. That is a crutch.
2) If a bad killer has NOED they will more often than not get more than 1 kill with it. They get something they didn't earn (even if it's just 1 kill). That is a crutch.
3) NOED rewards the killer for doing nothing. Literally nothing, you can just stand around and wait for it to proc if you want. That is a crutch.
4) NOED is a comeback mechanic, something purposely put in a game to offset skill (eg. Blue Shell). That is a crutch.Also in theory, I could argue that a good survivor may never use their DS just like a good killer may never use their NOED. Doesn't change the fact that it's there as a safety net. That's what a crutch does for the player, it makes up for some failure on their part. It also helps bad players to appear as average players as it makes up for a lack of skill.
Add everything together = DS and NOED are crutch perks.
I don´t agree. All the survivor has to do to use DS is getting downed. Aka failing.
All the killer has to do to use NOED is track the survivor down and hit him. If he hits more than one, the survivors are cocky or dumb.
NOED is a lategame tactic like Blood Warden and Remember Me. Those 3 together can be a bitter surprise for survivors. Killer wasted 3 perks for the whole duration of the match, to have a strong endgame. This is a gamble. Because if he plays against SWF, he has to make sure he kills no one before the gates are powered. Otherwise the team can work around it. -
NOED isn´t comparable to DS because it doesn´t qualify as crutch.
If a good killer has NOED, the survivors won´t even get to power all gens. If a bad killer has NOED, he gets 1 kill at most with it.If a good survivor has DS, he can initiate another long loop or even play cocky once the gates are open. If a bad survivor has DS, he wastes it on the first down and disconnects.
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Either implement voice chat because everyone in a swf team uses it anyway or ban external voice chat programs to get the horror feeling back.Peanits said:This game's actually got a pretty strong community, all things considered. It has only grown since launch with many people playing hundreds if not thousands of hours.
Not having voice chat was an intentional design choice. If I recall correctly, it was even tested at one point early on. The general consensus was that it ruined the atmosphere of the game, turning really tense moments into "Wow I really wish this guy would mute his mic." It would kill the tense moments where the killer might find you because lil' Jimmy is yelling to his mom that he'll clean his room in five minutes, and that it's an online game and he can't pause it.
I'd be interested to see if they'd consider it now though. Things have certainly changed a lot since launch and I feel like most people heading into it now have already seen videos/streams of it, making it less of a spooky scary horror game and more of a game-game. I would say definitely have the option to disable it though, for those that still want an immersive experience.
I don't see the later one happening, since the voice chat is to much fun for swf survivors. -
There are also videos of how a single survivor loops a killer for 5 gens without any perks. Or how a survivor hits great skill checks only while ruin is active. So that means that all survivors are OP, ruin needs a buff, skill checks need to be harder and looping should be nerfed, right?Fengminni said:Neither leatherface nor freddy need any buffing both are pretty op if played by a skilled killer. There are even videos out there that prove that you can get easily 3-4ks with both of them without perks against Rank 1 survivors. Faced so many killers that wrecked the booty of survivors with both. The only killer that needs some buffing is Wraith.
Ohh wait, yes. If a survivor loops a killer for so long, it means the killer is bad.
But if a killer does a 3-4 kill on rank 1 it means the killer is OP. Never could it be, that the survivors are bad. -
And that's the reason why the trapper is still mid tier. He wastes to much time getting his traps.CallMeRusty420 said:I only run NOED on my Trapper to counter gen rushing since that problem isn't a result of me failing to play but the devs failing to balance their game.
Hag can set her traps whenever she wants. Trapper is limited and has to find them first. -
Ahh so when I have survivors with a ping of: 89, 121, 156 and 590 it's me and not that survivor.TheLegendDyl4n1 said:@Tsulan said:
@Fjielsonson said:
@thesuicidefox said:
@Jack11803 said:
It’s literally survivors trump to dodging. Only reason killers are host is because it’s simple, and cheap, don’t let it get to your head.Actually no it's a cowards way to play. Killers dodge, no doubt, but when you get the one killer that doesn't dodge that actually means something. It means he won't be a pushover, he sees your p3 Claudette with a flashlight. He knows it's purple and you have DS. He doesn't care, he hits 'ready up' anyway.
You want killer that are pushover. You want the ones that would normally dodge you because you know that killer won't be as good as the one that doesn't dodge.
And if you don't want to be constantly dodged don't bring a flashlight, especially if someone else has one. Really, why do you need it EXCEPT to harass the killer. Throw up a purple coin and go looking for one in a chest. With Plunderer's you are almost guaranteed a flashlight, usually a green one.
Fully agree this one.. If I play killer and see that, I'm even more motivated to kill them. If I play survivor on the other hand, i picked a normal dwight with no items and if i switch to the naked david skin with flashlight (at 40 seconds to prepare) the killer dodges... There should be a punish for killers dodging, like 15 minutes ban of playing killer or something like that.
@Tsulan btw, try to use the edit button on the top right of your post instead of making 3 post behind each other
The notification system doesnt work right. Just saw this comment out of sheer luck...
Bans for dodging? That´s insane! The moment i get a temp ban for dodging someone with a 500+ ping, is the moment i leave the game for good.
BTW, survivors got their beloved SWF mode only because they lobby dodged until they got into the same lobby as their friends.
the survivor isnt the one with the bad ping buddy you are.
Makes totally sense!
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Only is good. Survivors get the gen points even if they don't do gens. As long as they burn a BBQ offering. They can spend the whole match doing anything but gens. And still get the points.Outland said:@Tsulan said:
@Outland said:
@Tsulan said:
@OtterDoc said:
Why are these hooks not able to be sabotaged and stay sabotaged when the killer doesn't have the Amanda perk to bring them back? It doesn't say anywhere on the BBQ invite that the BBQ hooks cannot be sabotaged, so what's the deal? This seems kind of unfair and should be stated somewhere.Why do you want to sabotage those hooks permanently? Why ruin this event for killers? Are you really so miserable, that you only encounter joy by ruining the fun for everyone else?
Mostly because of Killers running, RUIN and Overcharge, and Kicking Event gens. Toxic builds meant to screw over the Survivors event. This is why people want to retaliate.
So trying to slow down the gen rush that is happening almost every match is the same as completely impeding that killers get their event points.
Nice logic.Imagine that killers could destroy a gen. Making it impossible for survivors to repair it. Thus impossible to get their event points. Sounds fair huh?
Oh wait, that wouldn´t be fun for survivors... So not gonna happen.Someone asked, I gave the reasons nothing more, I didn't say it was right.
But remember the Killers only need to hook the survivor, where as Survivors actually need to finish the gens.
If Killers need to hook people , find survivors at the BBQ Gens, because that is where they will be. Many survivors pass up normal gens looking for BBQ ones, and they often wait longer working on them before taking off at the heartbeat.
I've seen many posts estimating about 3-4 hours of Killer game play is enough to punch out the event requirements, if everyone one just let up on the toxicity for one week we would all probably have no problem making the event rewards.
Killers HAVE to reach the BBQ hook. There's literally no way around it.
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Interesting.
Might be a little to strong, but then again, madness 1 is completely useless. So might as well take it.
I would like to have specialized add-ons for every killer. Which allow for different play styles.
Like for example:
- increased madness skill check chance (maybe with reduced zone)
- increased terror radius
- fake pallets, windows (appear open, when closed and closed while open), terror radius (that increases and decreases randomly),
- fake doctor that moves towards the survivor trying to hit them, fake survivors coming to aid.
- a effect that randomly switches the appearance of a survivor with the killer. So that a helping survivor is seen as a threat. -
I don't have problems with benevolence. I use BT if the killer camps and We'll make it if he doesn't.Nickenzie said:
I only find Benevolence being difficult for me to obtain since if a survivor BM's the killer, I usually do generators as the survivor is being camped and I lose 10 Benevolence points when they get sacrificed.Tsulan said:Congrats!
I really think they made piping as survivor to easy.
But then again, killers wouldn't find any survivors on high ranks, if it was as hard as it was when the emblems were released. -
Congrats!
I really think they made piping as survivor to easy.
But then again, killers wouldn't find any survivors on high ranks, if it was as hard as it was when the emblems were released. -
Yes, good survivors have no problem with him.iceman2kx said:Is Leatherface super easy for good survivors to kite or am I still needing practice? When I play him against good survivors, I just feel like a fat guy chasing a carrot on a stick.
feffrey said:
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@Demonsouls1993 said:
chemical_reject said:Just be lucky ur not on xbox. I heard people will give u salty bad rep points (or whatever idk I don't use xbox) and they ban u from playing online for a certain amount of time
That's Microsoft using a bot over looking at the report themselfs
Aka Skynet.
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@samirk98 said:
I ONLY play myers with wallhack add on at lerrys reached to 10 rank with no problem is it worth to reach to rank 1 with this build ?Unless you want to smash your keyboard and uninstall the game, no.
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@sergantuss said:
And then there's those who lose connection because of some technical problem.
Wanna punish them too?(c)
Fun stuff
like a 0.5% of the players
yeaIt really depends how many games are played totally and how many have "connection issues".
If someone has more disconnects than finished matches, i would ban. But if someone has a dc out of 20-30 matches? Nah thats fine. -
@Nickenzie said:
Tsulan said:To each one his own.
But i like females... well... female looking. Not like Arnold Schwarzenegger with a wig.
Buffed females can look great to be honest.
Depends on the females and how buffed they are. Some look nice. But others look like Arnold with a Wig.
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@Dwight_Confusion said:
@Tsulan said:
@Dwight_Confusion said:
Marth is a cool dude.A good killer too, but his reaction to getting beat in that tourney was sad. Entitled. He got a small ego going too.
He complained about DbD for months, they finally start fixing some stuff... balancing things for the killer. Finally and he bails?
See ya.
The upcoming survivor buffs don´t really balance the things for killers.
Last patch was only a minor nerf for survivors, which wouldn´t affect most of the survivors anyway. But the buffs for Trapper and Hag are appreciated.The hag is deadly now. I'd say she's 2nd or 3rd best. So she's very viable now. That was a marked improvement. Trapper is mid tier from bottom tier. He's better, but not really a high ranking killer.
Unless you're very good, then you could still do well with him.
The exhaustion stuff was fantastic. It helps looping. The bloodlust nerfs upcoming are a bit harsh, but so was the exhaustion stuff.
I don't know. The resetting of status' on hooking kinda turned me off.
Exhaustion was nice, but not many survivors could use SB twice in a chase. Mainly rank 1 loopers. Which are still able to loop for almost the same amount of time.
The inbuild Kindred is going to hurt killers a lot. Because solo survivors will be as time efficient as SWF groups. Killers already have problems with how fast the gens are getting done. This will only get worse with the change.
BL nerf won´t do killers any good, since BL itself is only a bandaid. I would totally support the removal of BL, if survivors and killers have the same hit (or collision) box.
The exhaustion reset in combination with the invulnerability buff will punish camping. Hiting a survivor right off the hook won´t have any effect. Add SB and the survivor reaches the next pallet before the killer can do anything. In other words, camping will get a huge nerf.
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@Nickenzie said:
Tsulan said:gross
What's wrong with a woman being buffed as David King? I want that type of survivor because I want more variety in the females we currently have, ya know?
To each one his own.
But i like females... well... female looking. Not like Arnold Schwarzenegger with a wig. -
@Dwight_Confusion said:
Marth is a cool dude.A good killer too, but his reaction to getting beat in that tourney was sad. Entitled. He got a small ego going too.
He complained about DbD for months, they finally start fixing some stuff... balancing things for the killer. Finally and he bails?
See ya.
The upcoming survivor buffs don´t really balance the things for killers.
Last patch was only a minor nerf for survivors, which wouldn´t affect most of the survivors anyway. But the buffs for Trapper and Hag are appreciated. -
@Freudentrauma said:
@Tsulan said:
What confuses me is, that i now have a ton of new Marth88 videos in my YT playlist. Like a ton of new videos. Didn´t he stop playing? I mean those videos have been uploaded in the last 12 hours.Those videos are from his last DbD stream. The day before DG came out. He is just uploading specific rounds, that might be interesting for people to watch who missed the stream.
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@Delfador said:
@Tsulan said:
I agree. We need a ingame voice chat. Like Hunt: Showdown has.
Then balance around it.I also agree. SWF and solo survivor experiences are very unique and this game will never be balanced around both of them. If they over buff killers, SWF will still be fine but solo survivors will get crushed and if they don't buff killers enough, they will be able to beat solo survivors but fail miserably against SWF. Give survivors the ability to communicate and then make killers powerful enough to beat them.
In this way, survivor side will be more enjoyable and killers will not suffer as much as they do right now.
Exactly! Killers wouldn´t dodge SWF, since all survivors have voice chat. It would benefit everyone.
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@fcc2014 said:
@Tsulan said:
@Wicked_Django said:
This has not been my experience. I got the pain hammer in about 3 hours. Run Iron GraspAs i said, i use IG & Agitation together.
But good for you, that you didn´t had these problemsI have been running those two also. I have been playing for the hooks not the kills after i get my 50 i will switch it back up and play normal.
Yeah i´m also mainly going for the hooks instead of kills. Breaking chases once they get into the only direction where there are no BBQ hooks. This affects the killer efficiency.
Someone on steam said that the devs use this event to get data on how fast survivors can do gen (probably a joke, but that would be awesome)
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@Fjielsonson said:
@thesuicidefox said:
@Jack11803 said:
It’s literally survivors trump to dodging. Only reason killers are host is because it’s simple, and cheap, don’t let it get to your head.Actually no it's a cowards way to play. Killers dodge, no doubt, but when you get the one killer that doesn't dodge that actually means something. It means he won't be a pushover, he sees your p3 Claudette with a flashlight. He knows it's purple and you have DS. He doesn't care, he hits 'ready up' anyway.
You want killer that are pushover. You want the ones that would normally dodge you because you know that killer won't be as good as the one that doesn't dodge.
And if you don't want to be constantly dodged don't bring a flashlight, especially if someone else has one. Really, why do you need it EXCEPT to harass the killer. Throw up a purple coin and go looking for one in a chest. With Plunderer's you are almost guaranteed a flashlight, usually a green one.
Fully agree this one.. If I play killer and see that, I'm even more motivated to kill them. If I play survivor on the other hand, i picked a normal dwight with no items and if i switch to the naked david skin with flashlight (at 40 seconds to prepare) the killer dodges... There should be a punish for killers dodging, like 15 minutes ban of playing killer or something like that.
@Tsulan btw, try to use the edit button on the top right of your post instead of making 3 post behind each other
The notification system doesnt work right. Just saw this comment out of sheer luck...
Bans for dodging? That´s insane! The moment i get a temp ban for dodging someone with a 500+ ping, is the moment i leave the game for good.
BTW, survivors got their beloved SWF mode only because they lobby dodged until they got into the same lobby as their friends.
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I agree. He needs some buffs and his own add-ons. Maybe something that allows for different playstyles.
Like add-ons to:- chase faster
- charge faster
- reduce terror radius
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@Wicked_Django said:
This has not been my experience. I got the pain hammer in about 3 hours. Run Iron GraspAs i said, i use IG & Agitation together.
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@Dwight_Confusion said:
I'm rank 1 on console, and I crush people. The only chance they have at the moment is if they are all 4 SWF tryhard millennial trash and bring instant heals. and all run borrowed time.Like what is the problem? People hook rushing? Do I just leave the hook on purpose? Do I let people get drunk at gens?
Nope. Adapt. you're not entitled to survive.
Uhh i think you misread the thread.
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There groups are really common. I don´t even bother naming them, since rank 1 loopers are easily recognizable.
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@Laakeri said:
I dont want to become chubby chaser.I think it would be funny.
Someone mentioned a Mankini for the Clown. The same outfit would be fitting for a fat survivor. -
@Nickenzie said:
I wanna see a buffed out woman with as much muscle as David King to be honest.-Press "R" to pay respect for the ladies-
gross
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@FrenziedRoach said:
Event or no event - you should always go in expecting the other team to show no mercy.So why should you show mercy?
It´s not about mercy (although i show mercy if the survivors really suck and i get several hooks before they get their first gen). But about how hard it is to reach the BBQ hooks in comparison of the normal hooks. How the killer is forced to change his playstyle (loadout) in order to get hooks, while the survivors can play normal and even benefit from the event.
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@fcc2014 said:
@Tsulan said:
It´s really random. I had 10 matches as killer.
- 2x connection issues which kicked me out of the game
- 5x gen rushers
- 3x last second switch to 3-4x toolbox with sabotage
- 1x really nice survivors which didn´t struggle
- hook blocking in 9 matches
- 0 flashlights (#########?)
- half of the matches contained between 3 and 4 DS
Damn that sucks!
I should play the lottery!
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@IronWolf115 said:
@Tsulan said:
@IronWolf115 said:
He is literally one of the worst killers in the game, if Freddy and Wraith get proper buffs then he WILL be worst killer in the game.I wouldn´t bet money on it. Devs managed to pull the Wraith Cube and make him weaker than before.
They also think it´s a good idea to buff BL by reducing the speed bonus.
So handle those buff concepts with care.If LF gets Hag treatment though that would be a good thing. But yes I agree with you, I have very little hope for proper LF buffs.
You mean like this?
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@Peanits said:
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I haven't had such bad luck. I've made progress in all my games so far, and I've only seen one or two people try to sabotage.It's a two way street though. There's also killers out there hard camping the event generators just so nobody can get points.
It´s really random. I had 10 matches as killer.
- 2x connection issues which kicked me out of the game
- 5x gen rushers
- 3x last second switch to 3-4x toolbox with sabotage
- 1x really nice survivors which didn´t struggle
- hook blocking in 9 matches
- 0 flashlights (#########?)
- half of the matches contained between 3 and 4 DS
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@IronWolf115 said:
He is literally one of the worst killers in the game, if Freddy and Wraith get proper buffs then he WILL be worst killer in the game.I wouldn´t bet money on it. Devs managed to pull the Wraith Cube and make him weaker than before.
They also think it´s a good idea to buff BL by reducing the speed bonus.
So handle those buff concepts with care. -
@feffrey said:
Tsulan said:@ASpazNamedSteve said:
@Tsulan said:
@ASpazNamedSteve said:
@Tsulan said:
Despite the hate for Leatherface, i really like him.
He´s mid tier, but great for a mostly relaxed play style.
But the devs need to urgently fix his chainsaw bug. Because it´s really annoying to charge the chainsaw up to 99% and letting it got a splitsecond to early, only to lose the whole charge.
That isn't a bug though.
Then i don´t understand why Billy has to wait for its chainsaw to fully uncharge, while Bubba loses the charge in a splitsecond when he can lose the charge by pressing a button.
Because they're different killers, quite simply. Their revs and rev cancelling work in different ways.
But it´s a chainsaw. They even have the same add-ons. I really think, the chainsaw shouldn´t lose it´s whole charge when you release the button to early. This makes playing with charge add-ons useless.
Leather Faces Add on are puesdo Effect he ain't going to need them . remember you're face camping
Well, it´s in his name LeatherFACE