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So, you complain that killers are forced to use only one killer on high ranks. Yes?
And that it is boring for Survivors...
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By adding this you'd get tons of killer disconnects during the match.
Ya really think this would be a good idea?
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@Delfador said:
@Orion Ah come on, lets be realistic shall we?
5k escape okay fine, then you need 10 self care heals which means that you need to heal yourself 10 times wasting 320 seconds. 5 min to max one category because the category is not designed well.
And then we have, well, 27 self care scenario. I honestly don't even want to talk about this.
How many times have you gotten 32k as a survivor? Be honest with me. Even though I am a survivor main, that number is 0 for me.
How many times have you gotten 32k as a killer? I am pretty sure it is so much that you don't even remember. At least, I don't.
Of course no though, as always, developers and survivors teaming up to molest killers and it is so much easier to get 32k as a survivor with unrealistic calculations.
The survival category has always been... well sorta pointless (pun intended).
Not the killers fault.
On a realistic level, survivors and killers get roughly the same amount of bloodpoints per hour.
On a normal match.
If you farm, than max as much as you can and go for the next match asap. Instead of trying to squeeze those last points out.
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That's funny.
Suddenly the number one meta perk is boring.
Anyway, farming IS boring.
So just because the killer wants to max his points instead of maxing only the survivors, it's not fun anymore.
What if the killer stays afk and doesn't hit or hook, would you also complain?
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Killer can only max out his points if he gets several kills with 3 hooks.
Survivors can max out their points by using SC or Medkits.
Survivors don't have to escape to get full points.
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every time I queue up with my friends and we all have p3 on 5/10 times the killer lobby dodges. don't complain about dc's if you lobby dodge
You do realize that you DC on those killers that didn't dodge, do you?
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@245_Trioxin said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/456013#Comment_456013
I agree. I would love to see less looping and more LoS breaking. I enjoy stealth builds, and they're not really viable right now.
I pre-ordered this game mainly because I was excited about the idea of a "hide and seek" type game with horror tropes thrown in. But, over the years it's become far less that and far more like playing tag.
I don't want to run in a loop. I want to hide and dodge the killer while doing my objectives. But, I also want to be able to pip for playing well, and unfortunately that play style doesn't work well in the current ranking system.
Juking takes skill.
Looping doesn't.
Survivor mains wanted more chases, because chases are fun. Devs gave in and now looping is a feature.
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@245_Trioxin said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/456014#Comment_456014
Nobody is making the argument it's not prevalent. People like playing games with their friends. This data is calling into question the level of impact that it has on matches, which seems to be considerably less than many people on these forums make it out to have.
But, if you look at the first data image, it's not 70% anymore. Solo players make up over 50% of the playerbase now, and all forms of SWF combined make up ~44%.
At the end of the day, the argument to remove it becomes even weaker, due to it not being as prevalent as it was once thought, and it does not have nearly the impact that these forums would lead one to believe.
The foundation of the anti-SWF argument is sand, and it's crumbling. There is no evidence that SWF needs to be removed outside of anecdotal one-offs by forum members who had a bad match or two and can't let them go.
The main problem of SWF is, that they are at the same time bad winners and bad losers.
If they are stronger than the killer, they start bullying (everyone who tried to learn nurse, knows what I mean).
If they are weaker, they start to disconnect. All at once.
In my opinion, they should give all survivors voice chat and then balance around that.
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People believe that killers get more points.
That's why survivor mains switch and play killer, which increases killer queues.
So just play survivor, get instant lobbies and more points per hour.
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Let's play the devils advocate here...
If SWF isn't prevalent, then removing it shouldn't have a major impact on the game.
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Nurse is not broken. But she's the only killer who can't be looped around pallets.
What tells us that?
Looping needs to be reworked. But since the devs play on rank 17, they don't seem to understand what the flaw with looping is.
And they don't listen...
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Ignore them. Sometimes they get so desperate to get your attention, that they give you free hits.
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@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
Y'all are forgetting about relics of the past here
Come on guys
Tsulan? Vietfox? Lowbei? Where's your sense of culture?
Cool I'm a relic now.
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Why not?
Gen is at 90%. Killer arrives and kicks it. Would survivors run away and search for a fresh 0% gen or would they stay nearby to finish the gen off once the killer leaves?
With the way survivors describe camping these days, there could be a good distance, but it would still be camping.
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@Hoodied said:
@Tsulan I will answer the question ones to the best of my ability
F) I mean camp generators(These exist)
E) Oh no its not, I am just naming things that help
C)I never pay attention to ranks anymore, it means nothing to me now
B) Trapper can help with this issue, but not always, killers such as LF, Huntress, and Hillbilly can help not activate mettle
A) The change for DS "counters" Tunneling, unless the killer chooses to slug or run enduring even with the change
D) I have done this before, and faced it before, it is pretty tense actually
Ok back to F: Who is camping? Killer or survivors?
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Let's imagine for a second, that the devs actually nerf Billy and Nurse...
What do you think would happen?
What killers would you expect on rank 1?
How long do you think, would survivor queues on rank 1 be?
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@Hoodied said:
A) Another DS complaint, never got hit by the new DS because I don't tunnel
B) Mettle Of Man does not get charges if a survivor steps in a bear trap as well, same with grabbed
C) I watched devs play this game, and almost never seen one of them camp if the totem was nearby
D) You can provoke a nurse/billy/huntress to hit you with there melee and not use power
E) Nurse still ignores Mettle of Man still because blinking makes great range with her blinks and will catch up with the Ash or user of mettle
F) Never watch them camp a generator
A) so DS only activates if the killer tunnels?
B) Trapper the solution for MoM?
C) I also watched them play. Some really impressive rank 17 matches!
In one a dev missed every single skill check... "achievement unlocked" potential?
D) a nurse chasing without her power, must be a tense chase...
E) is this a complaint that the nurse can use her power?
F) camp a generator? Could you be more specific, please? Do you mean the killer or survivors camping?
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@fluffybunny said:
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And who did i name&shame?
In your post, didn't you call out someone? The one you pointed to earlier as your reason for being banned.
Can you link please?
I'll quote you so that you can find it easier. One sec.
And that is name calling where?
I miss the name.Naming and shaming is also calling people out. You @ ed someone on a new thread post that you were in an argument with (or something like that?). I was surprised to see another person jailed, but that's something I see them getting after people for all the time (like when they post something about someone and you can see their stream or whatnot). I believe it's to make conversation more civil.
Again, i didn´t call anyone out.
The @ is not name shaming its linking someone and giving that person a notification. Just like answering to someone is.Also, if it would have been considered name shaming, the mod who closed the thread would have removed any names.
Wait, then why did you get in trouble? Are you allowed to mention? I'm curious.
I´m not allowed to discuss it. But the reason was that closed thread. Since it has only been closed but not deleted, i´m not sure on how to proceed.
Okay, I wouldn't want to get you in more trouble, then. The jail thing's a temp ban, right? I would say just be careful not to do what they got after you for and it should be fine. I'm surprised to see so many people getting jailed.
Yes it´s temporary. But i haven´t decided yet if i want to come back to this forum once the ban goes off.
I don´t want to start a witch hunt or get anyone else in trouble. Since i don´t hold a grudge or anything.
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@fluffybunny said:
@Tsulan said:
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And who did i name&shame?
In your post, didn't you call out someone? The one you pointed to earlier as your reason for being banned.
Can you link please?
I'll quote you so that you can find it easier. One sec.
And that is name calling where?
I miss the name.Naming and shaming is also calling people out. You @ ed someone on a new thread post that you were in an argument with (or something like that?). I was surprised to see another person jailed, but that's something I see them getting after people for all the time (like when they post something about someone and you can see their stream or whatnot). I believe it's to make conversation more civil.
Again, i didn´t call anyone out.
The @ is not name shaming its linking someone and giving that person a notification. Just like answering to someone is.Also, if it would have been considered name shaming, the mod who closed the thread would have removed any names.
Wait, then why did you get in trouble? Are you allowed to mention? I'm curious.
I´m not allowed to discuss it. But the reason was that closed thread. Since it has only been closed but not deleted, i´m not sure on how to proceed.
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@fluffybunny said:
@Tsulan said:
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@Tsulan said:
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And who did i name&shame?
In your post, didn't you call out someone? The one you pointed to earlier as your reason for being banned.
Can you link please?
I'll quote you so that you can find it easier. One sec.
And that is name calling where?
I miss the name.Naming and shaming is also calling people out. You @ ed someone on a new thread post that you were in an argument with (or something like that?). I was surprised to see another person jailed, but that's something I see them getting after people for all the time (like when they post something about someone and you can see their stream or whatnot). I believe it's to make conversation more civil.
Again, i didn´t call anyone out.
The @ is not name shaming its linking someone and giving that person a notification. Just like answering to someone is.Also, if it would have been considered name shaming, the mod who closed the thread would have removed any names.
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@fluffybunny said:
@Tsulan said:
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@Tsulan said:
And who did i name&shame?
In your post, didn't you call out someone? The one you pointed to earlier as your reason for being banned.
Can you link please?
I'll quote you so that you can find it easier. One sec.
And that is name calling where?
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What would change?
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@fluffybunny said:
@Tsulan said:
And who did i name&shame?
In your post, didn't you call out someone? The one you pointed to earlier as your reason for being banned.
Can you link please?
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And who did i name&shame?
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@Chi said:
From what I have seen, he deserves it lolFor?
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Look a little bit down the off topic forum.
Only one thread from me -
Okay that was unexpected...
I love you guys! You´re awesome!
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Well, no mither no problem.No_Mither_No_Problem said:I don’t know what the [BAD WORD] this is but it makes me want to run No Mither and OoO against a Frank’s Mixtape Legion with Dying Light
It's a off topic discussion. To talk about food fetish or other weird things. -
Just play like nobody's watching.
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Ahh I've been expecting you.powerbats said:@RSB said:
Could you be more biased, please? Because there MAY be one, or 2 people who still takes you seriously on this forum, thanks.
I feel entitled to my 4k, when i wreck bunch of survivors, but one still gets a free win.
Where is a free one kill for the killers, huh? If survivors can have one free escape, because "oh, the game must feel harder for the winning side at the end of the match", then why killers can't have a "go to the X spot and instantly kill random survivor, even if he did all gens by himself and literally deserves this escape"?
It's pretty sad you'd even try that tried and failed insult when you know you can't post anything that can stand on it's own resort to the tried and failed troll route.
You didn't wrecka bunch of survivors though, you killed 3, the 4ths still alive and thus that means you didn't wreck them.
Ah yes more nonsense about free and trying to hide that pesky sense of entitlement for something you don't deserve because you DIDN'T EARN IT.
@Tsulan said:
Insta heals, DS, 3 other teammates, keys, etc.
I can play this game too.Why does one side deserve a free win but the other one not?
Just look at the post above.That's assuming those get used oh and they're 1 time use, potato teammates, again they have to actually get used and objectives have to be met.
Again here's why the whole free nonsense from killer mains is pointless and childish.
**Here's the very definition of the term FREE: **
1.not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.
2.without cost or payment.
Hmmn sure looks like that your definition of free doesn't correspond with actual facts and logic since the survivors have to either do 2 gens and 3 die.
The survivors have to do more than 2 gens and have 1 more gen done than survivors left alive.
All of the survivors must be gone for the last survivor to take the hatch once all the gens are powered.
The killer has to actually let the survivor get into the hatch and not try and stop them.
So as you both can see yet again the hatch isn't in any way shape or form a free escape.
It's undeserved because potatoes can hide during the whole match in lockers and get the hatch. I've witnessed survivors hiding and doing nothing while I was hooked. Thx to the locker buff, I don't have to watch this anymore. (Weeee)
Or survivors that escaped through the hatch with a whooping 9k points and saying gg ez.
No ######### it was easy. He didn't do anything during the whole match.
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My solution would be to integrate voice chat and balance around it.HavelmomDaS1 said:
Well, there would be ways if they cooperate with EAC that as long as 3rd party programs who got voice communication are running DbD would just simply not start up (same with the new versions of ReShade, EAC stops DbD from starting up till you remove it or they approved the new version of Reshade).Tsulan said:They are not against it, since there's no way to detect it.
But the issue is people would always find different ways to voice communicate and bypass/exploit EAC and also they would annoy a large % of the survivor playerbase. So they don't, and they will probably never do. I'm just "fascinated" how the devs never really attempeted to do direct steps to balance SWF.. The only thing I remember is that every survivor can see who the obsession is in the HUD, a minor QoL buff for solos. That's it, and it's not even that helpful
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You honor me to much.SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
Sorry, I can't take this serious anymore.
Not that I ever did. But now?I respect good streamers like panda. But those streamers don't have a "order me free food" button. Simply because they don't beg for food.
I know what begging means. Begging for attention by destroying things or by wearing inappropriate clothes, etc.
Well enough derailing. Back to the topic!
So I took a screenshot of a game that was impossible to win for the killer by your definition because you know, hatch was open.
and you went to my stream for some reason, went to the panels and read them, then came here to attack me over it? Lmao.
Imagine if you spent that amount of energy actually playing the game and being good at it.
I honestly love how it's obvious how much you hate me and how much it upsets you that people actually like me and watch me.
You're a cutie, Tsulan.
I just thought, that since everytime you lose an argument against me, you come up with the hatch discussion which happend months ago and which I had on a early morning train without coffee. The discussion wasn't even with you, but with 2 very nice mods.
So now I said ######### it, why not take a look on who is constantly harassing me and look what's behind his behavior.
Not even in my wildest dreams I could have expected THIS!
I'm sorry if you feel personally attacked. Not my intention.
Want something to eat? Can I order you a pineapple pizza? -
Well at least I know that Unbreakable is supposed to get you up and not down.SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
Sure you can self save.
Deliverance and Unbreakable both do this.Ts ts ts
Yea lemme just deliverance on my second hook, or better yet use unbreakable on the hook, that seems reasonable. I know it takes you months and months of learning to figure out mechanics so I'll make it easy. that's not how those perks work.
Lets not forget you didn't even know how hatch works up until 4 weeks ago and now you're the born again hatch expert.
this whole conversation is akin to 4 survivors getting 4 gens done without dying and saying "Well the 5th gen should just complete itself because we've outplayed the killer"
Oh I know how the hatch works.
It opens and you press m1!
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Killer has to find, chase, down and hook 3 survivors in 80 seconds in order to avoid the hatch.SenzuDuck said:In this thread.
Killers who think the fourth survivor should just die because they killed three survivors lmao.
and i know it's hard for you guys to understand this but they haven't failed their objective, their objective gets changed due to the circumstances. CRAZY RIGHT?!
I've definitely seen these guys say they don't think they're entitled to a 4K, as well.
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Sure you can self save.SenzuDuck said:@Cymer said:
@SenzuDuck said:
In this thread.Killers who think the fourth survivor should just die because they killed three survivors lmao.
I've definitely seen these guys say they don't think they're entitled to a 4K, as well.
What would you say if you play perfectly outplayed the survivors by protecting the correct gens and pushing the survivors in a strategic beneficial situation and all your work and effort goes down the drain because of a hatch mechanic.
Even from a survivor point of view you can argue, you did everything for your team, bodyblocked, unhooked, genjockey but at the end the other player just lets you die so he can get the hatch and did nothing the entire game.
It's not only on the killer side.
Wake up!What does this have to do with this conversation? You can't self save so you rely on other people, some do wait out hatch and I usually let my self die if there's a possibility a random can get hatch.
A killer didn't play the game perfectly, they killed THREE survivors, im sure you've played this game enough to notice that there are in fact FOUR survivors so lets not pretend you deserve that fourth kill because you killed 3 others.
Deliverance and Unbreakable both do this.
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They are not against it, since there's no way to detect it.
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Joke is on you.e8Lattice said:If your playing from a tin shack on dialup in Romania, just don't.
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They would use the med kit before using DS.Maelstrom10 said:
No. But it will fix an op combo that shouldn't be in the gameHavelmomDaS1 said:This won't fix the issue of DS.
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Cross platform won't solve the issue.NoShinyPony said:You asked Master, but let me throw in my two cents as well.
In theory, it would be nice to have Casual and Ranked Mode. Realistically, I think the player base on consoles is not big enough. I'm not sure about PC.
The problem I see with Ranked Mode: The current heavily unbalanced state of the game. Killers can only play Nurse and survivors will bring 4 DS, 4 insta-heals etc.
It is an interesting topic, for sure.
People thought the removal of region lock would solve queue issues. Now we have queue issues + ping issues. -
Pretty much.Peasant said:
Developers: Let's punish killers who camp by de-ranking them slowly!Tsulan said:Mhh the threads about camping are increasing.
It's almost like killers lost an incentive to leave the hook to go for someone else...
Killers: I can now de-rank without DC'ing and risking a ban? Nice!
Developers:https://goo.gl/images/R6GJVC
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Expect a rework by late 2020.
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If you slug, slug with deerstalker and knock out.BACKSTABBER said:@Tsulan said:
Run deerstalker, knock out, agitation and iron grip.sounds bad but running fast and keeping wiggle is way more relevant
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Just write "gg ez rank 20 noobs" then leave.
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My eye just started twitching.
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This is called latency.homo_superior said:What would killers do if hitting survivor required actual aiming skills?
Game is already so casually forgiving for them. They can miss as many times as they want, still have their bloodlust and keep trying to hit you until they do. That is when hitreg is working as intended and doesn't count clear hits in the air.
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I understand why the hatch exists.Peanits said:@Tsulan said:
Peanits said:The hatch isn't perfect, but it is there out of necessity. The alternative of not having a hatch would result in a stalemate where the killer patrols generators and the survivor tries to fix them. If the killer hears a generator being worked on, they'll know the survivor is there. It'll take that solo survivor 80 seconds to repair a single generator, and the killer can easily patrol all the generators in less time. The result is a stalemate where the survivors just going to hide and wait until there's an opportunity to fix a generator, except that opportunity will only come when the killer has gotten bored and given up.
Getting rid of it in theory is great, but in practice, it would not work. The end game will be receiving a rework at some point and the hatch will likely be looked into at the same time.
People have proposed solutions for this several times.
They have. Some have been tested even with a PTB. In practice some of the suggestions just would not work (closing the hatch in the PTB, for example, did not fix the standoff issue but rather transferred it to a generator standoff). Others require massive reworks, or sway things one way or other depending on how that particular person feels. It'll be looked at eventually, but sticking a bandaid on it and potentially making it worse in the meantime would not be a very good use of time.
People would take the game hostage until the killer leaves. But people also do this with a open hatch too. So it's just a bandaid as of now.
This doesn't change, that it rewards bad survivors that failed their objective.
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Insta heals, DS, 3 other teammates, keys, etc.powerbats said:@Tsulan said:
You won't convince me that the hatch is deserved as long as there is no similar mechanic for killers.
You've got Mori's 1 hook then dead, instant downs from Iri's and Pinky's and oh those are reusable too the killer can also sacrifice survivors, the survivors can't do that to the killer.
If you killer mains that want the hatch removed will agree to the removal of all and I mean all aura perks/addons/tracking abilities/crows/ Spies/Whispers.
That includes All seeing Eye, Mirror Myers, Amanda's addon etc once last person is left then you can remove the hatch but then good luck playing hide and seek for several hours.
The hatch is deserved if the survivors do enough to make it spawn and even then there's no guarantees they'll get it.
I can play this game too.
Why does one side deserve a free win but the other one not?
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Is there a mechanic that magically closes the gate once 3 survivors escaped, so the killer gets at least 1 kill?George_Soros said:@Tsulan said:
powerbats said:@Tsulan said:
Peanits said:
The hatch isn't perfect, but it is there out of necessity. The alternative of not having a hatch would result in a stalemate where the killer patrols generators and the survivor tries to fix them. If the killer hears a generator being worked on, they'll know the survivor is there. It'll take that solo survivor 80 seconds to repair a single generator, and the killer can easily patrol all the generators in less time. The result is a stalemate where the survivors just going to hide and wait until there's an opportunity to fix a generator, except that opportunity will only come when the killer has gotten bored and given up. Getting rid of it in theory is great, but in practice, it would not work. The end game will be receiving a rework at some point and the hatch will likely be looked into at the same time.
People have proposed solutions for this several times.
Yes and most of the solutions either won't work, or are impractical and quite often it's simply remove it and give me muh 4k.
You won't convince me that the hatch is deserved as long as there is no similar mechanic for killers.
What's there to "deserve"? Hatch largely depends on luck. Just like...
Ruin spawn location
Pallet & hook spawn locations
Perks of your opponent
Frequency of skill checks
Spawning spot of survivors and killer, and the relatively random choice of the killer's first patrol destination.And a lot more.
I'd say more than 50% of a game's outcome depends on luck. Yes, the rest is up to the killer's and survivors' experience. But that's hardly something morally valuable either. "Deserve" has nothing to do with it.Just take your 3K and get on with your life.
No? So why do survivors get one?
