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@DeadByFlashlight said:
Ah yeah the argument "just ignore it".
I wonder why that doesnt apply to camping though. You can always [BAD WORD] on hook if you are camped.
And before you tell me that this screws over your team, survivors DC way more frequently and dont bother abotu screwing their mates, yet DCing is fine?Personally I dont give the slightest ######### about the actual change, you know that I dont want to rank up anyway
But by introducing this slight emblem punishment, the devs open the door "camping is punishable, bad and nto allowed anymore" and I fear that we will see some more severe changes soonThis is why discussing with you bad killers is futile.
First it's complaining about bodyblocking, then it's self care, then it's tbagging, then it's flashlights.
Now you're pretending like I'm an advocate for DCing? Just because other survivors DC doesn't mean I do it like what the hell are you talking about?
"Don't say you don't DC because it screws over your team mates because other people DC" what kind of backwards ass argument is that?
Good god, cry some more dude.
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@Eguzky said:
Hey, do devs even read abuse reports and the like?I'm tired of my Obsession disconnectling like a tiny child to cheat me out of my Obsession-based perks.
And it's clear it happens in SWF modes (such a really [BAD WORD] stupid idea, Devs), where one player will take the hit of a disconn to give his buddies an easier time.
oh my god, stop.
People rarely disconnect in SWF just trying to find every excuse under the sun to blame SWF, it's easy to beat, this is a case of the "get good".
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@NextKillerSpongebob said:
@Global said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@NextKillerSpongebob said:
Holy #########! You're a survivor main incarnate...Is it called camping if a killer waits at the exit gate for 10 seconds because he sees one other survivor except for the guy in the exit? Are you actually mentally ill and can't think of scenarios or what? Your ignorance pisses me off quite a bit!
"Checks gate for 10 seconds, moves to next gate, survivor leaves out gate he just left"
I don't get why you folk get so upset
I've probably played more killer than you ever have so I really don't get why you're calling me a "survivor main incarnate" because I don't cry at every thing survivor do?calling someone a "main" is what you say when you cant find anything wrong with their points.
no. It's when someone is only talking about the ''easy stuff for killers'' and saying that scenarios survivors come up with never happen when they do happen often. And I found flaws with his points the whole time, he just blatantly denied them all the time...
Not at all, i just pointed out how stupid your scenarios are.
"what if theres a a survivor in the exit gate and i go to hit them and the ninja survivor thats been stood next to me decided to run out at that exact time" I also said "You mean the scenarios that very rarely happen?" not scenarios that never happen, you're just flat out lying to make me look bad now.
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@NextKillerSpongebob said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@NextKillerSpongebob said:
Holy #########! You're a survivor main incarnate...Is it called camping if a killer waits at the exit gate for 10 seconds because he sees one other survivor except for the guy in the exit? Are you actually mentally ill and can't think of scenarios or what? Your ignorance pisses me off quite a bit!
"Checks gate for 10 seconds, moves to next gate, survivor leaves out gate he just left"
I don't get why you folk get so upset
I've probably played more killer than you ever have so I really don't get why you're calling me a "survivor main incarnate" because I don't cry at every thing survivor do?You probably haven't played more killer than I have though
2300 hours in game, all killers P3/50. Survivor main btw lul.
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@DeadByFlashlight said:
Yes there are killers that only camp to annoy survivors.
Just like there are survivors that try to annoy killers as much as possible with tbagging bodyblocking etc etc.I dont like to play against such players, but clearly its part of the game and the devs even support this.
What annoys me most however is that "survivor toxicity" is somethign that is celebrated, especially on twitch but when a killer behaves "toxic", then this is something that ruins fun and has to be removed from the game.
And you cant deny that their current idea punishes killer that play normally. After the gates have been opened, there is literally nothing you can do besides from camping unless you have noed (oh god such a toxic killer btw)
I've said several times I support the idea of the penalty not being added if there is 1/0 gens left, This means if you camp at the start of the game you will be punished, at end game it wont matter.
Considering you all like to make out like all gens are done in 10 second that means no penalty will be added.
again, bodyblocking is rewarded with points & achievements, it's always been part of the game survivors are just more aware of it now.
and getting upsetti spaghetti over tbagging, like tbagging has been around for decades, if it actually physically upset you I suggest you play something else other than online multiplayer games.
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@douggie123 said:
Omg penalties for camping now. Hope the Deva are aware survivor mains will abuse it. I will gladly join your killer main thing.And this is why i'm facepalming, there is no way to abuse this, if a survivor is within 16m of the hook to penalty is added.
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@NextKillerSpongebob said:
Holy #########! You're a survivor main incarnate...Is it called camping if a killer waits at the exit gate for 10 seconds because he sees one other survivor except for the guy in the exit? Are you actually mentally ill and can't think of scenarios or what? Your ignorance pisses me off quite a bit!
"Checks gate for 10 seconds, moves to next gate, survivor leaves out gate he just left"
I don't get why you folk get so upset
I've probably played more killer than you ever have so I really don't get why you're calling me a "survivor main incarnate" because I don't cry at every thing survivor do? -
@Eguzky said:
Ok then. Please tell me there are changes coming for The Nightmare?I hear he's pretty trash-tier and, having just tried him..Eh? I can see why but he does not FEEL too bad.
I mean, he has to spend precious time getting people asleep, which is a downside, but he can see people who are asleep, which is good.
(Personally, I would have given him that see-everyone-vision when they are AWAKE and he can't do anything more than sleep them. Not when can actually hurt them, as a balancing factor)But the major flaw to Freddy is that Self-Care basically neuters him. You can wake up at will (provided you get a skill check to fail) anywhere, anytime, anyplace. Just fail the self-care healing check.
Sure, it gives a yell, but now Freddy can't hurt you for a few precious seconds.
Personally, I'd alter some of his add-ons:
Give him 1 or 2 that slow down survivors in the Transition phase. (Not the Awake or Asleep phases) But they don't stack.Or maybe an add-on that forces a difficult/hard/extreme skill check if hit with the Transition Phase while doing something requiring a skillcheck?
Eh, just ideas to make him a little bit better, maybe.
They've stated in one of their previous streams, a couple of weeks ago that freddy is the next killer to be changed. They also stated one change they'd like to make is that self care wont wake you up.
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@DeadByFlashlight said:
@SenzuDuck said:
DeadByFlashlight said:
SenzuDuck said:This whole entire thread is basically “The Usual Suspects”. Who support the idea of ruining the match at any rank because their hand isn’t being held tight enough by Daddy BHVR.
cant wait for this plan to fall through because they’re all clearly very bad players.
You are free to camp it is a “legit strategy” for bad players. Alternatively - you could go and watch some streams of any killer on DBD and you’ll see that they almost always 2/3K without the need for camping.
It’s almost like... despite all “survivor buffs” they keep getting and “killer nerfs” (I guess people don’t read patch notes) this game is absolutely well and truly playable from both sides.
Sure you’ll have a bad match here and there, you might get “aggressively bullied” by the t bagging survivor (who btw if they’re tbagging they make less distance on you but you still can’t catch them but you can catch the feelies) but the game is absolute fun at all ranks.
Stop playjng for that 4K, run some messed up builds and have fun, or considering you all complain so much - play something else instead of ruining others fun because you can’t camp if the team is doing gens. 🤦🏻♂️ 🦆
Why are only survivors allowed to ruin other experiences. Same rights for both sides.
Nice argument.
I don’t like either sides fun being ruined (hint, you can disagree on things and agree on others).
but simply acting as of SWF immediately makes a match unfun is ridiculous.
im someone who SWFs with randoms off of twitch, use chat suggested perks and doesn’t even touch comms. But yea dude, let’s pretend all SWF “ruin”
matches.There are countless ways how survivors can ruin the killers fun. Do you deny that?
Are you denying reading my post?
A quote, of myself
I don’t like either sides fun being ruined (hint, you can disagree on things and agree on others).
Is this not acknowledging it? There are absolutely ways a survivor can "ruin" a killers fun, however it's subjective, while a survivor might have fun taking hits and being risky to save their companion, it doesn't mean it's malicious, or intended to ruin the fun you literally earn WGLF tokens & points for doing this, it's part of the game.
Obviously this tactic from a killers point of view is "toxic" and will be seen as ruining their fun.
and while I acknowledge that camping is part of the game it's been less encouraged from the start, perks and incentives for leaving the hook, and now this new change to the point system. It only affects hard core campers, and the hard core camper I have met do it maliciously and on purpose to ruin one persons experience. (just like this post perpetuates) Do it because it's toxic and annoying for one survivor.
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@ScottJund said:
Yeah I get really sick of that argument too. If you expose yourself to anything scary long enough its no longer scary. Amnesia: The Dark Descent was one of the scariest games I played but now its like a joke since I spent a lot of time with it.Granted, there are things that could be altered to make the game more fun for killers, but they are in no way shape or form "needed" to make the game playable.
There has been a series of patch's that have adjusted killers, and they're continuing that into the next patch also, it can only get better for them, realistically.
I'm just tired of the same old "They only listen to survivors" when you can clearly see patches for the patch few months have favoured killers, maybe not in the biggest ways but things like hooking, I keep hearing the "WOW half a second less". Yes, it doesn't seem like much but the amount of ground a body blocking survivor you just hit can cover with half a second gone is quite a lot.
We'll see how this next patches changes things anyway, I'm excited for it, and the new event which sort of reads like it'll be alternative objectives for survivors, but we shall see.
Also, just noticed, Scott! You're the reason why i stand by the "just get better" comment. Watching your video I did realise a lot of complaints can just come down to someone not being all that great at the game and blaming mechanics on their issues.
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@ScottJund said:
@Eguzky said:
Even the Trapper..Survivors will literally sneak along and disarm his traps behind him.Why? Because he's not scary, his traps are a joke, and Survivors have enough safety nets to get away is spotted.
You know, the same survivors terrified in every cinematic are tip-toeing behind the Trapper, disarming his traps with a 'Tee-hee'.
But no; Killers are fine. I need to git gud. Blah blah, same stupid BS Survivors always spout to keep from being nerfed properly or prevent the Killers from being buffed.
'The survivors are SUPPOSED to counter Killers and poke them with sticks and hump their legs and pee on them and shake their asses like Candi on a Friday night! We could have SWORE the cinematics showed that!' - The Dev Team.
I know you don't want to hear "Get good" but get good. Go watch any good killer streamer and watch what happens with people that try to [BAD WORD] with them.
After so many hours it's really irritating hearing bad killer mains go "But the survivors should be scared".
Resident evil is a scary game, speedrunners don't get scared because they play it a lot, same goes for DbD, they need to stop trying to make killers "scary" by wanting every buff under the sun. -
@Eguzky said:
What Survivors fail to realize, because they are happy with easy-mode, is that the game is supposed to be scary for the survivor.When it came out, you were not supposed to be able to fight back, except for lucky pallet stuns and BS flashlights.
If a Killer had you carried, you were supposed to worry it was all over unless another random survivor you never knew risked his/her neck to save you.
SWF: Removed the risk of 'will he/she save me?' because you go in AS FRIENDS & can communicate. This game was not supposed to [BAD WORD] have communication or it would have had in game voip.
But Survivors whined and flailed and pitched a tantrum and got Survive With Friends, which make Killers a joke.Again: You were supposed to be in [BAD WORD] danger
I'll say it louder for the people in the back
KILLERS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DANGEROUSNow?
Pallet Loop (Run in a circle until the killer is near, then drop the pallet. You WILL make it to another before the can break/go around the pallet. Repeat again..and again..and again. The killer has to spend upwards of 60 seconds just to hurt you ONCE, or let you go. Not very scary, huh?)
Decisive Strike
Sprint Burst
Self-Care
Adrenaline (Which [BAD WORD] HEALS YOU)
No Mither (Which lets you get up)
Unbreakable (Which lets you get up)
Dead Hard (Which is like Sprint Burst but ALSO deletes your hitbox for a few seconds)
Lithe (You vaulted? have a free Sprint Burst)You will note I left out:
Boil Over: Since Iron Grip counters it
Deliverance: Since it only works if the user is not first hooked AND they save someone before being hooked themselvesBut that leaves 1 tactic and 8 feats over 4 Survivors, which can share feats.
Yet Survivors will vehemently say Killers should not be buffed. Why?
I'll say it again, since stupidity needs to be clubbed down:
KILLERS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DANGEROUSBut they are not.
Survivors flip a pallet: They twerk.
They Sprint Burst to a pallet and then Self Care. They drop the pallet on the Killer and Self Care further because the bar does not degrade.
They then run to another pallet, drop it, self-care, now Sprint Burst is off cooldown, so away they go.The Killer, who is supposed to be the large, dangerous 'Don't get caught you tool!' thing, Is. A. [BAD WORD]. Joke!
I'm half tempted to link my livestream from yesterday, even though I lost my cool:
I actually had a group of Survivors trying to troll me with the most OP perks and items, because Survivors are OP.
They ONLY lost because they NEVER played a generator. If they had had 2 braincells, they would have won. But they wanted to bully the Killer.Yes, the [BAD WORD] 'Oh god, I'm so scared!' in every cinematic Survivors WERE BULLYING THE KILLER
That's how unbalanced this [BAD WORD] game is.
But as long as Survivors flail and pitch temper-tantrums about how Killers are 'strong enough', the people in charge of balance will listen. Because Survivors make up a majority of the players, and these fools want money FAST instead of a balanced game with a happy playerbase willing to buy things.
They'd rather appease the brainless masses who would leave if the game became a challenge for Survivors, like it should be.
What an absolute wall of nonsense.
Survivors got better, killers got better.
The amount of crying you guys do a new player would come to this forum and assume no killer has ever killed anyone in this game before.Get Better, lol.
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https://clips.twitch.tv/UninterestedSleepyWaterOSsloth
Yea they messed 'em up real bad.
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This made me face palm hard. If anything carrying should be made faster but it's still fine as it is.
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@slingshotsurvivor said:
DeadByFlashlight said:
Just funny that the devs never bothered with flashlight clicking tbagging or sth like that but when it comes to intended ways to play the game (camping is legit according to them) then they take action because survivors consider it toxic.So stop crouching
Stop using tools
... Anything else? How about removing pallets and windows?The thing is, they allow this mundane bs get to them, it's literally a group of pixels that you can kill, they're just spamming buttons to some random player on the internet it means nothing.
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@HellDescent said:
So I just tested this around 10-15 times as survivor and it worked 10% of the time.So it's basically a bug that you just showed even more people how to do, well done.
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@NextKillerSpongebob said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@NextKillerSpongebob said:
You don't get it.Imagine if there's only one person standing in the exit while you have noed. If you run towards him and hit him, you get the hit cooldown, during which time a survivor, that wasn't in the exit, can run past you and not get hit and thus also escape. Is thinking about those scenarios too hard for survivors?
You mean the scenarios that very rarely happen? If a killer is camping one gate with noed the other survivor would either be looking for noed or at the other gate, are two gates too hard for killers to understand?
? What do you mean? Normal killers don't camp the gate...except maybe from rank 21 to rank 15 or something I guess. Been a while since I was there the last time. And those scenarios don't happen very rarely in the red ranks...
I want whatever you're smoking.
"What about the killers that stand at gates when survivors are in them, they can't go in and hit them out because they'll get blade swipe and another survivor will just sprint past them and leave".
How is a killer standing at a gate waiting for survivors to maybe run past him, not camping the gate? Good god lmfao.
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@NextKillerSpongebob said:
You don't get it.Imagine if there's only one person standing in the exit while you have noed. If you run towards him and hit him, you get the hit cooldown, during which time a survivor, that wasn't in the exit, can run past you and not get hit and thus also escape. Is thinking about those scenarios too hard for survivors?
You mean the scenarios that very rarely happen? If a killer is camping one gate with noed the other survivor would either be looking for noed or at the other gate, are two gates too hard for killers to understand?
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@NextKillerSpongebob said:
@Eguzky said:
Seriously. I log into a match, and it's like I'm the caretaker at a haunted house.Don't worry, little Survivors; I may scare you, but rules (Devs and bad balance ideas) state I can't actually hurt you.
Honestly, a good start would be, if someone spams crouch past the exit gates, the Entity blocks the exit for 5 seconds. Either stay on the map or run. Don't be a little #########.
Oh wait, one of the Devs pitched in with his view on nerfed Killers; 'Play Survivor or play another game. Civ is fun'
Hey, your own dev said it. Guess I won't tell people to buy your game, if you can't be bothered to balance it.
That is very true and it sucks.
@SenzuDuck said:
I mean, you could run towards them and smack them out?I don't get why so many people get upsetti spaghetti over ground humpers, if they're triggering you, it's working!
Well, because if someone else comes while you slapped the person at the exit gate, they can also just run out without the danger of being hit... Try to think outside the survivor box.
This is talking about survivors in exit gates, you're probably not going to kill anyone if they're tbagging at the exit, like I said, move towards them. I don't understand what this "you might hit someone else and they leave" thing is about, there is no box to be thought about, they've already won if they're there lol.
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I played the first chapter or Remothered and found it to be the most boring game ever, are the other chapters any better?
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@AChaoticKiller said:
Ffs i actually support this change since i don't camp intell gates are powered. Honestly why do you guys think you should pip by camping the it takes no skill. You don't lose blood points either so the only downfall is you can't get ez pips to the high ranks. The only thing that they should change with this is that the penalty is removed when exit gates are powered that's it.Exactly, it's a good change for killers that are bad from the get go and refuse to learn how to play. I also agree that when 1/0 gens are left the penalty should stop all together because in some situations (hooks near gates) can prevent you getting that last kill
TL;DR This change only affects really bad killers who do nothing but camp, it wont really bother legitimate players.
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@RSB said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@RSB said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@NoxiousOnnyyxx said:
@RSB said:
@NoxiousOnnyyxx said:
@not_RSB said:
NoxiousOnnyyxx said:Sounds like you are doing majority of the whining. Good killers don't need to camp. Then again you wouldn't know anything about that.
Camping is legit
It is for those who can't git gud and whine all the time. Which you would know a lot about that RSB. We all know its you. How's the Ba- oh sorry too soon?
It's not me lol.
Hmmm, idk about that. You have bars on your profile pic
Just take in the information in this thread https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/21062/delete-the-damn-hatch/p1
And?
Am I not allowed to direct people to threads filled with valuable information?
And what are these "valuable information"?
All the wonderful compliments people were giving each other
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@RSB said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@NoxiousOnnyyxx said:
@RSB said:
@NoxiousOnnyyxx said:
@not_RSB said:
NoxiousOnnyyxx said:Sounds like you are doing majority of the whining. Good killers don't need to camp. Then again you wouldn't know anything about that.
Camping is legit
It is for those who can't git gud and whine all the time. Which you would know a lot about that RSB. We all know its you. How's the Ba- oh sorry too soon?
It's not me lol.
Hmmm, idk about that. You have bars on your profile pic
Just take in the information in this thread https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/21062/delete-the-damn-hatch/p1
And?
Am I not allowed to direct people to threads filled with valuable information?
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@NoxiousOnnyyxx said:
@RSB said:
@NoxiousOnnyyxx said:
@not_RSB said:
NoxiousOnnyyxx said:Sounds like you are doing majority of the whining. Good killers don't need to camp. Then again you wouldn't know anything about that.
Camping is legit
It is for those who can't git gud and whine all the time. Which you would know a lot about that RSB. We all know its you. How's the Ba- oh sorry too soon?
It's not me lol.
Hmmm, idk about that. You have bars on your profile pic
Just take in the information in this thread https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/21062/delete-the-damn-hatch/p1
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Yea but they're survivors, lets rag on them and pretend the game would be able to exist without them.ShrimpTwiggs said:A gamer is anybody who plays games. There are casual gamers and competitive gamers. One being a casual gamer doesn't make them a fake gamer. I honestly can't believe people believe otherwise.
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And no idea what this means it makes no sense.DeadByFlashlight said:SenzuDuck said:
I really don’t understand you people.Raziel said:@SenzuDuck said:
Wont really bother anyone - the more you do it the more you derank, and then you're just punishing newer players who don't care about patch notes and are just trying to learn the game.Bravo, Sir, you're a martyr.
You are also punishing the high ranks who now get long queues. You are also punishing the forum moderators who will be swimming in a sea of complaints about the matchmaking. You are also punishing the developers by proving that their solution to camping provides more incentive to camp rather than less.
Basically, everyone who entertains the delusion that DbD is not a game meant to be unbalanced by design so that 4 casuals have the chance of ganging up on a real gamer and winning, will get a rude awakening if everyone does what the OP suggested.
If gamers are expected to deal with super powered casuals, why not do what gamers do best and metagame the sh*t out of them?
”real gamers”? What the hell. You lot are just like PC Master Race BS. “Uhhh you’re a survivor YOURE NOT A REAL GAMER” the absolute cringe coming off you now.
Once again, it has been killer buff after killer buff on every patch, including the current up and coming one. Stop being so blind, devs are clearly making it easier for “all those real gamers”.
A real gamer suevivor would shut up, invite his real gamer friends into a 5 minute killer obliteration and you know that very well as we establishes in another thread alreadySenzuDuck said:
I really don’t understand you people.Raziel said:@SenzuDuck said:
Wont really bother anyone - the more you do it the more you derank, and then you're just punishing newer players who don't care about patch notes and are just trying to learn the game.Bravo, Sir, you're a martyr.
You are also punishing the high ranks who now get long queues. You are also punishing the forum moderators who will be swimming in a sea of complaints about the matchmaking. You are also punishing the developers by proving that their solution to camping provides more incentive to camp rather than less.
Basically, everyone who entertains the delusion that DbD is not a game meant to be unbalanced by design so that 4 casuals have the chance of ganging up on a real gamer and winning, will get a rude awakening if everyone does what the OP suggested.
If gamers are expected to deal with super powered casuals, why not do what gamers do best and metagame the sh*t out of them?
”real gamers”? What the hell. You lot are just like PC Master Race BS. “Uhhh you’re a survivor YOURE NOT A REAL GAMER” the absolute cringe coming off you now.
Once again, it has been killer buff after killer buff on every patch, including the current up and coming one. Stop being so blind, devs are clearly making it easier for “all those real gamers”. -
Nice argument.DeadByFlashlight said:
Why are only survivors allowed to ruin other experiences. Same rights for both sides.SenzuDuck said:This whole entire thread is basically “The Usual Suspects”. Who support the idea of ruining the match at any rank because their hand isn’t being held tight enough by Daddy BHVR.
cant wait for this plan to fall through because they’re all clearly very bad players.
You are free to camp it is a “legit strategy” for bad players. Alternatively - you could go and watch some streams of any killer on DBD and you’ll see that they almost always 2/3K without the need for camping.
It’s almost like... despite all “survivor buffs” they keep getting and “killer nerfs” (I guess people don’t read patch notes) this game is absolutely well and truly playable from both sides.
Sure you’ll have a bad match here and there, you might get “aggressively bullied” by the t bagging survivor (who btw if they’re tbagging they make less distance on you but you still can’t catch them but you can catch the feelies) but the game is absolute fun at all ranks.
Stop playjng for that 4K, run some messed up builds and have fun, or considering you all complain so much - play something else instead of ruining others fun because you can’t camp if the team is doing gens. 🤦🏻♂️ 🦆
I don’t like either sides fun being ruined (hint, you can disagree on things and agree on others).
but simply acting as of SWF immediately makes a match unfun is ridiculous.
im someone who SWFs with randoms off of twitch, use chat suggested perks and doesn’t even touch comms. But yea dude, let’s pretend all SWF “ruin”
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This whole entire thread is basically “The Usual Suspects”. Who support the idea of ruining the match at any rank because their hand isn’t being held tight enough by Daddy BHVR.
cant wait for this plan to fall through because they’re all clearly very bad players.
You are free to camp it is a “legit strategy” for bad players. Alternatively - you could go and watch some streams of any killer on DBD and you’ll see that they almost always 2/3K without the need for camping.
It’s almost like... despite all “survivor buffs” they keep getting and “killer nerfs” (I guess people don’t read patch notes) this game is absolutely well and truly playable from both sides.
Sure you’ll have a bad match here and there, you might get “aggressively bullied” by the t bagging survivor (who btw if they’re tbagging they make less distance on you but you still can’t catch them but you can catch the feelies) but the game is absolute fun at all ranks.
Stop playjng for that 4K, run some messed up builds and have fun, or considering you all complain so much - play something else instead of ruining others fun because you can’t camp if the team is doing gens. 🤦🏻♂️ 🦆 -
I really don’t understand you people.Raziel said:@SenzuDuck said:
Wont really bother anyone - the more you do it the more you derank, and then you're just punishing newer players who don't care about patch notes and are just trying to learn the game.Bravo, Sir, you're a martyr.
You are also punishing the high ranks who now get long queues. You are also punishing the forum moderators who will be swimming in a sea of complaints about the matchmaking. You are also punishing the developers by proving that their solution to camping provides more incentive to camp rather than less.
Basically, everyone who entertains the delusion that DbD is not a game meant to be unbalanced by design so that 4 casuals have the chance of ganging up on a real gamer and winning, will get a rude awakening if everyone does what the OP suggested.
If gamers are expected to deal with super powered casuals, why not do what gamers do best and metagame the sh*t out of them?
”real gamers”? What the hell. You lot are just like PC Master Race BS. “Uhhh you’re a survivor YOURE NOT A REAL GAMER” the absolute cringe coming off you now.
Once again, it has been killer buff after killer buff on every patch, including the current up and coming one. Stop being so blind, devs are clearly making it easier for “all those real gamers”. -
I don’t think holding community tournaments for prizes classes as trying to make it an e-sports.se05239 said:@Kilmeran said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Kilmeran said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Kilmeran said:
@SenzuDuck said: Yes, this game is for casuals, it always has been. If you want something competitive go play league or overwatch.
I'm going to have to assume you don't play Overwatch. I did. From launch day until three weeks ago. It was basically all I played, except for dabbling a little bit on the side with Heroes of the Storm and Paladins.
Using "Overwatch" and "Competitive" in the same sentence is a joke. Competitive has been busted for almost six or seven seasons now, and Blizzard has done zip to address it. It is filled with leavers, trolls, and smurfs. Even at the high ranks, you barely get voice comm coordination, and people are playing whatever they want, to hell with team comp.
You want a casual game that people tried to claim was a competitive game? Overwatch tops the list, right behind DBD.
Yea i don't play it to be honest, there are still plethoras of actual competitive games they could play.
With moris, bnps, DS, noed this game was clearly never meant to be competitive.Oh, I agreed with what you meant. I just had to chime in on the Overwatch part, was all.
Oh yea i understood that I just didn't wanna say "yeh i don't play it lul"
I have to agree with you, too. Look, I might be brand new to Dead by Daylight, but I've played Competitive modes before. Despite what I said about current Overwatch, up until about Season 5 (they are on Season 12 right now), the Competitive mode did work. It had issues, but it wasn't horrible. I also did ranked in Heroes of the Storm.
That said, I'm in my mid-40s. I can't mentally do Competitive anymore. I was always a laid-back gamer, never cared about the best gear in MMOs, or the leaderboard in raids, et cetera. I just wanted to unwind from the day with a video game.
Overwatch changed that, and I will never go back to a competitive game mode again. When or if I ever fire-up Overwatch again, it will be purely for Arcade modes and Quick Play.
I researched Dead by Daylight for a good 8 months before buying it and the DLCs. Streamers, YouTube guides, these forums, reddit, and the Dev streams (yeah, I saw the infamous "play Civ" one, too). Dead by Daylight always struck me as a casual game. I see nothing about its design that actually points to a competitive or eSport game, despite them having only a "Ranked" mode. As far as any "competitive" concept goes, sorry to a lot of people, but the ranked system here is a joke by comparison.
And that was why I decided to buy it. It's a casually designed game.
And the developers want to make it an E-sport..
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@Bravo0413 said:
SenzuDuck said:Yet another bug that killers would rather post about then actually report. I doubt any of you have actually reported these issues to try and get them fixed.
Hey it stirs the pot and gets results... the more people to know the faster the team works to fix stuff 🤷♂️ sooo...
That would make sense if there wasn't an actual "Bug Report" section on the forums that the devs actually check for bugs, but yes - lets post it in general discussions instead.
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@powerbats said:
Yes lets prove my point about some killer mains being whiny spoiled children that throw a temper tantrum when they don't get their way. You'll be no better than the he who shall not be named fan club that review bombed because he got banned and didn't get his way.In fact you'll be no better than the minority of whiny survivor mains you complain about being entitled spoiled children. Then when survivors sit there and endlessly tea bag and flashlight spam you in retaliation you'll come onto the forums whining about how toxic they are.
Yet it was your own behavior that led them to do this and they'll go into future games against killers that aren't jerks and do the same to them, all because you have a hissy fit basically.
Post when patch goes live - "I got tbagged while insidious camping in the basement, this is toxic and aggressive, please make insta downs happen for survivors who crouch rapidly in the direction of the killer"
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@Kilmeran said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Kilmeran said:
@SenzuDuck said: Yes, this game is for casuals, it always has been. If you want something competitive go play league or overwatch.
I'm going to have to assume you don't play Overwatch. I did. From launch day until three weeks ago. It was basically all I played, except for dabbling a little bit on the side with Heroes of the Storm and Paladins.
Using "Overwatch" and "Competitive" in the same sentence is a joke. Competitive has been busted for almost six or seven seasons now, and Blizzard has done zip to address it. It is filled with leavers, trolls, and smurfs. Even at the high ranks, you barely get voice comm coordination, and people are playing whatever they want, to hell with team comp.
You want a casual game that people tried to claim was a competitive game? Overwatch tops the list, right behind DBD.
Yea i don't play it to be honest, there are still plethoras of actual competitive games they could play.
With moris, bnps, DS, noed this game was clearly never meant to be competitive.Oh, I agreed with what you meant. I just had to chime in on the Overwatch part, was all.
Oh yea i understood that I just didn't wanna say "yeh i don't play it lul"
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@Nickenzie said:
SenzuDuck said:Wont really bother anyone - the more you do it the more you derank, and then you're just punishing newer players who don't care about patch notes and are just trying to learn the game.
Bravo, Sir, you're a martyr.
Btw, you can still pip with 3 iridescents.
Except if all gens are done you certainly wont be getting an iridescent in that category if you're stood around with insidious in the basement.
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@Kilmeran said:
@SenzuDuck said: Yes, this game is for casuals, it always has been. If you want something competitive go play league or overwatch.
I'm going to have to assume you don't play Overwatch. I did. From launch day until three weeks ago. It was basically all I played, except for dabbling a little bit on the side with Heroes of the Storm and Paladins.
Using "Overwatch" and "Competitive" in the same sentence is a joke. Competitive has been busted for almost six or seven seasons now, and Blizzard has done zip to address it. It is filled with leavers, trolls, and smurfs. Even at the high ranks, you barely get voice comm coordination, and people are playing whatever they want, to hell with team comp.
You want a casual game that people tried to claim was a competitive game? Overwatch tops the list, right behind DBD.
Yea i don't play it to be honest, there are still plethoras of actual competitive games they could play.
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@Eguzky said:
I don't have to 4k but when I can log in and get, in order:
Pallet looped for 30 seconds until I FINALLY get close, then they drop the pallet and run to the NEXT pallet loop. Usually using 'I remove my hitbox, lol' perk.Good god trying to read your rambling is going to be very hard.
So, hit box remove perk? Ok, dead hard is one of the easiest bate-able perks ever, an if they use it in a chase to reach a pallet they wont be using it again in the chase.Flashlight stunned while picking up a survivor because my camera is locked in 'please [BAD WORD] my eyes' mode.
Flashlights are very easily avoidable and very bate-able, stand onto of the survivor, flashlight runs over, smack them, they probably wont come back, also flashlight blinds are being changed so it wont be a bright light
Firecracker-stunned because some moron thought 'firecrackers! lol! AND THEY WORK ON KILLERS!'
Who the hell complains about firecrackers? I've seen them in less than 20 matches in 2300 hours of playing, you're just complaining to complain now.
FINALLY pick up a survivor with no survivors around..and they have '[BAD WORD] you, I get away free' perk.
Right back to running in a pallet loop until I get close enough for a lunge, only to be pallet-#########.I don't like Dstrike, it's getting changed. That being said not everyone runs it, I barely see it as a killer anymore and if its THAT much of an issue run enduring
And what's happening while ONE survivor can keep the Killer busy for 1-3 minutes?
Generators are being done.Getting one survivor slows the game down because others get off for the rescue, if your chases ar elasting 3 minutes and you don't have an end game plan you should either learn to chase better or move onto a different game
A Killers winning strat is LOSE SLOWER. Hope the Survivors screw up!
Again, subjective - it's very easy to 2/3K
Because the FOUR
Let me repeat that THE FOUR GOD DAMNED SURVIVORS have EVERY safety net. because the players would screech like deranged parrots if even ONE perk was taken away.Oh noooo, 4 survivors, that's so hard to beat. Why are you talking about perks being taken away? People often run no perk perk builds or builds with lesser perks, usually every DLC day there are people running around with one perk on trying the new survivor
If a Survivor messes up: It's fine. Their perks, items, and teammates can save them.
What? Yea, that's the point of the game, run a build you like, use the perks and get saved by your team mates, lmfao.
If a Killer messes up: Welp. Hope you like maybe hooking one survivor once. Maybe. Your ONE screwup cost you 2-3 gennys.
2-3 gennys isn't the end of the game, this is another point killers make, gens being done, until they're out of the game the match isn't over so top whining about doing poorly and get those survivors.
And, again, like I said above: When the survivors were ACTIVELY TROLLING ME. I was verbally abused for 'face camping' because, if I let even ONE Survivor go, I was getting NOTHING. They had every perk and item to ensure I had a ######### game.
I'd love to know what actively trolling means, if you're getting upset about tbagging and flashlights you need to move away from this game and try something else for a while.
So don't give me this BS about it being subjective. The Survivors have the safety net of numbers, cooperation, hits & healing, and then perks and items on top of that.
It's definitely subjective, once you start playing better you'll realise.
And the Devs STILL make the game easier for Survivors because they want them to use the microtransaction shop.
Devs have been buffing killers and nerfing survivors for the past couple of months, but sure lets ignore all that to push your narrative of that game being too hard.
They'd rather the Killers have a ######### game, because there's more Survivors, than make a balanced game.
Game is fine as killer lol, you just choose to get upset by every perk and item in the game, firecracker? lmfao
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Wont really bother anyone - the more you do it the more you derank, and then you're just punishing newer players who don't care about patch notes and are just trying to learn the game.
Bravo, Sir, you're a martyr.
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@Eguzky said:
'This game is casual' is a lousy excuse for lazy, one-sided balance to appease the larger half of the playerbase and completely screw over every single Killer player.
The Devs need to grow some balls and fix the game instead of sit around scared of the screechers that want to keep Survivors as cake-walks.It's completely subjective, while you seem to struggle with anything that isn't holding your hand everyone else is doing just fine. Just because you think you're getting screwed over, or you don't like things doesn't mean everyone else is bothered by it.
I have 2300 hours, I play both sides and almost nothing annoys me in this game because when I'm playing killer and I mess up that's on me, not the survivors, If I die as a survivor then I was probably being too altruistic and that's fineeee. You don't have to 4K every match and you don't have to escape every match. -
@Raziel said:
@SenzuDuck said:
I mean, you could run towards them and smack them out?I don't get why so many people get upsetti spaghetti over ground humpers, if they're triggering you, it's working!
The tbagging is not the upsetting part. The upsetting part is that the game is broken and the survivors know they will stay OP because the devs will never dare turn away their rather huge cash cow of casuals.
Tbagging is the way they flaunt this fact into their opponent's face.
and no, you're looking way too into it, survivors are not "OP" at all, maybe at one time with insta flashlights, bnps and loops, but flashlights are gone, bnps are useless and theyre constantly adjusting pallets and maps to make them easier for killers to navigate. Survivors aren't OP, you're just not as good as you think you are.
Yes, this game is for casuals, it always has been. If you want something competitive go play league or overwatch.
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@Raziel said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Raziel said:
@SenzuDuck said:
I'd argue that hooking someone and then standing there as still as a pole isn't doing your objective, and the defence so many killers give as to why they camp the hook is "Theres survivors close" therefore you wont even incur the point reduction, thus making this a moot point.Your objective is to kill survivors.
After you hooked a survivor you have 3 options:
1) Stay near the hook and secure the sacrifice -> you will have to give up some gen time and hope to turn the game around after the (preferably first) survivor is dead
2) Go protect the gens -> you won't be able to regress all repairs the survivors have made but they will be able to rescue the hooked survivor and heal him, completely nullifying the time you invested in chasing and hooking.
3) Try to catch another survivor -> you may be able to start a snowball effect but you will still lose gen time and invested chase time (the hooked survivor gets rescued)Basically, the most solid investment is option 1. If you hook someone at 5 gens there is no reason to leave. If you hook someone at 1 gens there is no reason to leave.
Considering most survivors, especially at high rank and especially SWF will try to rush the hook regardless of you camping, you may even get chases, hits and additional downs by camping the hook.
In my experience, playing at R1, I get more BP and more kills by camping than when I don't simply because survivors are over-altruistic.
Out of curiosity, do you think matches are too short?
Nope, they seem to extend a lot when I camp. If I don't, the gens pop like mad. The moment I camp someone, gen progress stops.
I don't have an issue with camping, I'm ok enough to hold my own without doing it, but when it comes to end game then sometimes securing that kill is expected.
I don't however like the thought of camping at the start, it promotes horrible gameplay from both sides, which is why, if it's end game, the points wont be much as youll be doing it for lesser time, presumably, but it's probably only really punishing if you do it from the start, you're the exact reason this update is coming, not survivors.
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@Raziel said:
@SenzuDuck said:
I'd argue that hooking someone and then standing there as still as a pole isn't doing your objective, and the defence so many killers give as to why they camp the hook is "Theres survivors close" therefore you wont even incur the point reduction, thus making this a moot point.Your objective is to kill survivors.
After you hooked a survivor you have 3 options:
1) Stay near the hook and secure the sacrifice -> you will have to give up some gen time and hope to turn the game around after the (preferably first) survivor is dead
2) Go protect the gens -> you won't be able to regress all repairs the survivors have made but they will be able to rescue the hooked survivor and heal him, completely nullifying the time you invested in chasing and hooking.
3) Try to catch another survivor -> you may be able to start a snowball effect but you will still lose gen time and invested chase time (the hooked survivor gets rescued)Basically, the most solid investment is option 1. If you hook someone at 5 gens there is no reason to leave. If you hook someone at 1 gens there is no reason to leave.
Considering most survivors, especially at high rank and especially SWF will try to rush the hook regardless of you camping, you may even get chases, hits and additional downs by camping the hook.
In my experience, playing at R1, I get more BP and more kills by camping than when I don't simply because survivors are over-altruistic.
Out of curiosity, do you think matches are too short?
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If one generator is left the penalty shouldn’t occur, I don’t care about securing kills end game and this is a viable option.Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:Well the thing is, if survivors are in within 16 m of the hook, you don't get penalized. The idea for this is mainly to punish campers who camp to grief survivors.
The issue I see with it though, is it could potentially punish defending the hooked survivor after the exits are powered. I hope the devs realize this and remove the penalty once all the gens are completed. What the hell else CAN you do at that point? -
Except the survivor on the hook is an objective, so camping effects both sides.Lowbei said:
the killers objective is none of your concern as a survivor.SenzuDuck said:I'd argue that hooking someone and then standing there as still as a pole isn't doing your objective, and the defence so many killers give as to why they camp the hook is "Theres survivors close" therefore you wont even incur the point reduction, thus making this a moot point.
i really don’t care about camping, but if survivors know they’re helping the killer by sitting there they’ll likely move away, giving the killer someone to either chase and get more points from, or sit there and incur the penalty.
i don’t care about this point infraction because I don’t need to camp to feel satisfied. I camp 1/100 matches so It doesn’t bother me as a killer.
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I'd argue that hooking someone and then standing there as still as a pole isn't doing your objective, and the defence so many killers give as to why they camp the hook is "Theres survivors close" therefore you wont even incur the point reduction, thus making this a moot point.
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@Raziel said:
@powerbats said:
@Raziel said:
90 Posts and I can only count strawman arguments. Sadly, this did not turn out to be a real debate. Might as well call it quits. Nobody has even tried to touch the most compelling argument against Self Care:If you really are good at juking the killer, you WILL NEVER GET HIT. And that means that Self Care is a complete waste. If you expect getting hit, then you admit you are not good at juking the killer. You use self care because it compensates for you lacking this skill.
Speaking of Straw Mans, we'll use your logic here against you.
If you're a really good killer that survivor won't get away to use Self Care in the 1st place. That means that if they get away YOU SUCK AT KILLER !!!!!
There see how your logic just blew a very big hole in your whole argument.
You are basically saying that killers who do not tunnel are bad.
What are you even talking about? Injuring someone and then continuing the chase wouldn't be considered tunneling, chasing an injured person after they are pulled off the hook is what is considered tunneling, and even then, who cares? Play how you want lmfao.
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I think it's just for fun, you don't really "need" them persay, they certainly can make a match easier. But when I was learning nurse i used no add ons and now I always use addons because they just make her ability more fun to play with.
The same for mori' and such, you don't really need them but it sure is fun to "physically" murder a survivor as apposed to putting them on the hook.
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@douggie123 said:
As a killer if survivors didnt have self care the match would be way to short and I enjoy long matches.Like that's the thing, I sometimes don't run SC, but most of the time I do if my friends want me to run different builds
But If I don't run self care after I chase I just sit on a gen while I'm injured hoping someone comes and saves me, so it makes matches longer.
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@mcNuggets said:
I am playing it because there is no competition to Dead by Daylight. (Friday is a joke)Your formatting is awful, learn to create a decent reply, thank you.
If you find the game is so easy as killer, hop on rank 1 with a bad killer and verse good swf and win.
Send me video proof of that please.I got to rank one, on stream, if you want to watch my games you can kindly go over there. I make mistakes, I don't claim I'm good but it is not a challenge to reach rank one at all, and I'm certainly not about to make special training videos for you.
You know marth88s experiment?
You know the devs response?
Lol it's no secret, killers are underpowered as [BAD WORD].Good 'ol Marth Defence, the 3000+ hour survivor team that either used all the same perks or none at all, shocking how survivors can just somehow be better than a killer. If you look at these matches from the killer side, it was probably one bad match out of a dozen good ones, obviously if you follow a 4-man SWF 12000+ hour team around you're bound to see a lot of wins.
Of course, you are not open for discussion in which you cannot write a reply for 2 hours to not sound completely idiotic, which you still do.
All you do is to react to the things I said and completely put them out of context.I take a paragraph of your comments, like this one, where all context is present, there is nothing "out of context" about my replies.
I won't argue anymore, you are just getting personal while ignoring all of my strong arguments.
So we just do some maths here."I wont argue anymore, but let me put 6 more paragraphs into this reply".
1 gen = 80 seconds
4 survivors doing gens = 4 gens done in 80 seconds
average chase time = 60-120 seconds*Average chase time of a not very good killer 60 - 120 seconds
Also, if you're chasing someone... there aren't 4 gens done in 80 seconds, I don't know how you think this game works despite all your moaning but survivors can't do gens when they're in the middle of the map with a killer on them.When not playing any one hit killer which can instantly one hit or is extremely fast like the nurse, you don't stand a chance against survivors rushing gens.
This only makes sense due to the fact, a round can be over within 3 minutes."Survivors doing gens is bad they should walk around the map aimlessly before they start doing gens" again, blaming survivors for doing their objective, gg buddy.
If the devs wanted to make the game better, they would address issues like decisive strike, freddys strength, pallet looping, camping, tunneling etc. immediatly before even thinking about releasing another DLC.
Any good game dev would fix the games problems before even thinking about DLCs.D Strike - Getting Nerfed
Freddy - Getting Buffed
Pallets - Had a change in this patch meaning they spawn further apart
Camping & Tunneling - You can't prevent these, literally nothing you do will stop this, is a killer WANTS to tunnel and camp they'll do it regardless.Btw. regarding your argument of not talking via steam.
You can always unfriend me after discussing this out, because I don't want to be your friend either lol.I'd rather just not add you in the first place.
You would loose the argument, because there is no logical reason, killers are balanced now.
I wouldn't certainly "loose" the argument while you would lose it. I don't really get what you're trying to say here. I literally break down every part of your comment and reply to it, you just start typing aimlessly for a couple of minutes with no order or thought to what you're typing.
You never reacted to arguments, you just got personally on people or said their argument is wrong, because it is wrong.
I reply to every paragraph, gg.
For the perks:
Self Care = 50% healing speed, getting healed by another survivor equals the waste of time of healing yourself making the perk as good as getting healed, which is ultimatively stupid. (Do your maths again, it's not 48 seconds you genius)Oh look, talking of "out of context" If you can quote me where I said "One survivor self caring is 48 seconds" I'll donate you £200. Because it never happened. I merely used someone elses example (If two self caring their combined time would be 32 seconds) as he implied self caring speed was 16 seconds or something, so I used his example but with the correct numbers. (Hint, my numbers were actually also incorrect, where in the thread the person who pointed this out to me I replied "I am in fact incorrect about the numbers"). But yes, lets pretend I said self caring was 48 seconds. It'll actually be 32 seconds very soon, a whole half minute from gens but you want to whine.
I'll stop responding to your nonsense now, I made enough valid points you'll just gonna ignore again.
This is the second time you said you'd stop responding.
I'll stop now responding or viewing your answers. It's psychological torture for me to read your nonsense of a answer.
This is the third time you said you'd stop responding.
(I made a giant post a few pages back with more of arguments you ignored)
Oh look, you're still responding.
Just saw you made an argument about pressing CTRL is bullying, loooooool.
4 people having the intention to make fun of you in an aggressive way is near the [BAD WORD] definition of bullying lol.AHAHAHAHAH "Aggressive" manner.
"Yes officer, he pressed CTRL on the other side of the country AGGRESSIVELY, arrest him please" Bullying is illegal, tbagging is now an arrestable offensive if you do it.Survivors should be scared, but they ain't. Because the game is ez pz for survivors.
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Or maybe they aren't scared because it's a video game and after 50 hours no one cares and just plays.Just search up marth88s experiment, there are 100 videos showing how easy it is to win with a full swf team on rank 1. I don't understand how people can ignore it. It's a good research.
Yawn, back to Marth, do your own experiments kid. His data means nothing.
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@lyric said:
@mcNuggets said:Make a video of you playing any killer (not billy or nurse) vs a good 4 swf on rank 1 with you being happy with the outcome please.
Here’s what I don’t get @SenzuDuck, they will complain and say “oh yeah let’s see your rank one video” and then turn right around after you prove it and say rank means nothing because such ######### players are at rank one, so which is it? They want to act like it’s unplayable and never winnable when it fits their narrative but I thought they all sucked? Remember “Anyone can get rank one “
I mean, I only stream this game, all my matches are viewable, lmfao. I've never once said I'm good at this game which is hilarious because people constantly ask me to record matches for them, maybe they need tips on how to be a better killer?