If camping is going to be punished...
Then when a survivor finishes a Gen, every survivor that contributed to it, should suffer a -30% to there repair speed for two minutes after.
After all it's not fair to punish a killer for doing his objectives, while the survivors aren't punished at all.
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I'd argue that hooking someone and then standing there as still as a pole isn't doing your objective, and the defence so many killers give as to why they camp the hook is "Theres survivors close" therefore you wont even incur the point reduction, thus making this a moot point.
Sorry but logic is not allowed in this thread.
Killers objective is to kill, if we dont get free moris every game, then hook camping is an effective way of killing.
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The issue I see with it though, is it could potentially punish defending the hooked survivor after the exits are powered. I hope the devs realize this and remove the penalty once all the gens are completed. What the hell else CAN you do at that point?
i really don’t care about camping, but if survivors know they’re helping the killer by sitting there they’ll likely move away, giving the killer someone to either chase and get more points from, or sit there and incur the penalty.
i don’t care about this point infraction because I don’t need to camp to feel satisfied. I camp 1/100 matches so It doesn’t bother me as a killer.
its also funny how the survivors are the killers objective but they shouldn’t worry about it. Lol
Obviously the game developers don't want to encourage camping. That's why they make perks like BBQ, MYC, Devour Hope, Pop Goes The Weasel, etc. This is just another very gentle way of encouraging killers to not camp. You still can though. If you want to De-Rank while still killing survivors then they just did you a favor really.
Thats not the point.
Most killers (myself included) only break out the camp fire after the exit gates are powered and we have one on the hook. Now we are being told we are going to be punished if we don't ######### off, and let the survivor have a free escape.
Play how you want and see if it messes with you pipping if it doesn't who cares. The chaser emblem in itself is kind of a joke i shouldn't need that many chases to get iridescent.
That is NOT what you are being told. You are being told that you have 10 seconds to move at least 16 meters away from a hooked survivor unless another survivor is within 16 meters of the hooked survivor. If you stand 16 meters away and see a survivor try to run in then you can run in without any punishment and still have plenty of time to disrupt the save.
Your objective is to kill survivors.
After you hooked a survivor you have 3 options:
1) Stay near the hook and secure the sacrifice -> you will have to give up some gen time and hope to turn the game around after the (preferably first) survivor is dead
2) Go protect the gens -> you won't be able to regress all repairs the survivors have made but they will be able to rescue the hooked survivor and heal him, completely nullifying the time you invested in chasing and hooking.
3) Try to catch another survivor -> you may be able to start a snowball effect but you will still lose gen time and invested chase time (the hooked survivor gets rescued)
Basically, the most solid investment is option 1. If you hook someone at 5 gens there is no reason to leave. If you hook someone at 1 gens there is no reason to leave.
Considering most survivors, especially at high rank and especially SWF will try to rush the hook regardless of you camping, you may even get chases, hits and additional downs by camping the hook.
In my experience, playing at R1, I get more BP and more kills by camping than when I don't simply because survivors are over-altruistic.
Out of curiosity, do you think matches are too short?
Nope, they seem to extend a lot when I camp. If I don't, the gens pop like mad. The moment I camp someone, gen progress stops.
If you watched the stream they actually showed how much 16 meters is, and to be honest from what i've seen survivors that are like 40 meters away are still very close to the hook, so thats why this change is just bullshit.
I don't have an issue with camping, I'm ok enough to hold my own without doing it, but when it comes to end game then sometimes securing that kill is expected.
I don't however like the thought of camping at the start, it promotes horrible gameplay from both sides, which is why, if it's end game, the points wont be much as youll be doing it for lesser time, presumably, but it's probably only really punishing if you do it from the start, you're the exact reason this update is coming, not survivors.
You are free to like and dislike whatever. Tunneling and camping is the most effective way to play right now.
The killer has to outskill not just the survivor players but the perks and mechanics they get to use with no skill investment. A survivor who does not make any mistakes is impossible to catch with anything other than the nurse.
As such, it is way more effective to focus on steamrolling through the high rank low skill survivors who got there solely through use of their safety nets. Overall, the game will still feel unfair especially when you do win because:
you have to deliberately make mistakes which reward your opponents to be able to stay competitive (e.g. getting hit by pallets, allowing unhooks and heals to protect the gens)
you have to get good at countering perks which require no skill investment from your opponent (e.g. decisive strike, borrowed time, self care, sprint burst)
your opponents may get a lot of bp and even pip despite not surviving and playing poorly
Let's be honest. They'd rather lower emblems than actually making tunneling and camping less effective. They want killers to be able to choose to camp.
And god knows that there would be a revolt if they actually nerfed it.
The devs already know they deliberately allowed camping to be a viable tool, without it contributing anything positive to this chase based game.
They'll find out soon enough, that it was a terrible idea. When survivors on high ranks can't find lobbies, since ranking up as survivor is brain dead easy.
My post from the other one you said and since I don't feel like typing it again here.
ban all campers devs they ruin the game :d
You make your jokes. But sometimes the killer has no other choice than to camp.
Then when a survivor finishes a Gen, every survivor that contributed to it, should suffer a -30% to there repair speed for two minutes after.
After all it's not fair to punish a killer for doing his objectives, while the survivors aren't punished at all.
Do you REALLY think that high ranks will play ANY different?
I mean you guys complained about killers not having to kill to rank up. Now killers got used so much to camping, just to secure a kill for the Victory Cube, that they won´t really change their behavior.
Killers get gen rushed on high ranks, and the only way to slow that down is to play "scummy" by using moris.
I love how people call moris scummy.
If they are at the loading screen with 4 toolboxes then they deserve to get camped. Gen rushing swf who want to be chased at the end, so long as the exit gates are open.
Moris are nicely done. I prefer dying to a mori over dying on the hook.
It's not a matter of making it less effective, it's a matter of providing incentive to leave the hook. At the moment, chases are the real big spender in terms of killer resources and a hook save can completely nullify your investment. Therefore, there is nothing to gain from ignoring the hook and protecting the gens.
Trapper needs a new and improved one like I suggested a ways back and Spirit is the only Mori to die by.
I'd have to look for it, months ago I believe might take awhile but I've got it memorized and i'll post my idea later.
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No. You were the one implying this in your first post. Let me refresh your memory:
I already stated in response to you that HR don't have campers to begin with, and thus nothing will change. And if protesting edgelords want to camp at HR (which they are probably not in to begin with), then they'll drop down to the cesspool where they belong.
Please don't put words into my mouth.
They have been nerfing chase for the last five patches. If you still do not see the benefit of leaving the hook, then it speaks for your skill as a player, not the design of the game.
The devs have been very kind for not directly touching camping as a whole.
Survivor emblems were so "hard" that most survivors wouldn't be able to rank up and killers on high ranks wouldn't find any lobbies to fill. It was so hard, because survivors refused to change their playstyle. Devs changed the requirements to pip, and now I save pip if I survive 2 minutes as survivor.
Now the devs which said that camping is a feature from the beginning, which removed face camping (survivors still claim it exists), introduced BBQ to reduce camping (survivors hate it), introduced MYC (survivors hate it) and never wanted to punish camping. Suddenly punish it, because survivors complain all the time about this unfair mechanic. They complained so much, that survivors now are even immune to hits, right after unhooking.
But sure, killers will once again adapt their playstyle. Like they did so often. And survivors will find something else to complain about.
Just remember, that survivors complained about killers not needing to kill to rank up.
Camping is boring. The real way to solve this issue is to give survivors another way to escape or add another step to the current escape system, as well as adding another way to sacrifice survivors. A second escape objective would slow down generator rushing, and a second way to sacrifice would take away the monotony of hooking survivors and camping.
I don’t think making gen repairs slower is going to improve the game overall.
The two main issues are gen rushing and hook camping. You just need to give each side more to do.
Since when was I complaining? There is not one complaint in any of my posts on this thread. Half my responses to these silly camper complaints is just to tell them to continue camping. Thanks for your input..?
Oh. Shame campers are now being "discouraged" from camping. (Since campers cared about pipping, right?) My condolences.
Again, as we've both agreed to, only low tier trash killers will need to "once again" adapt. I don't suppose you are in that group. But I can see it if that's why you are upset.
Are you responding to me or are you just ranting?
have to agree.
my opinion survivors have enough on their plate.. yes they are annoying they loop and ######### but you have a much bigger advantage then them. you're faster and unstoppable they have to avoid you fullstop that's alot to be honest. don't get salty because it doesn't go your way. it doesn't go your way everytime. just saying how it is. they shouldn't get punished for been sneaky and doing a gen together that's the game.. and the other half of it that's basically encouraging the camping even more because it will be abused when someone is hooked then a gen pops you know you can drag the game and camp. because you know either 2 or 3 of them have that -30% repair speed.. -30% for the other 2 or 3 working on the same gen for 2 mins? that's gonna be slow af for every gen worked on together.. that's basically saying "you can't work as a team." you can down everyone and slug in that amount of time its too much advantage to the killer. plus survivors they already get punished for farming a hook (unsafe hook) which is fair enough.
You didn't get the memo?
The killer aren't supposed to kill survivor, that's why you can pip even if you didn't kill anyone.
So "only low tier trash killers will camp" is something worthy of a response? Like discussion wise?
Sometimes camping is the only correct thing the killer can do.
Don´t believe me? What if 2 or 3 survivors are hooked in the basement or next to each other? Should the killer go to a random gen and patiently wait, until they have been unhooked?
Survivors screwed up. Killer gets punished for doing his job. Or do survivors get punished if they stay close to a almost finished gen? Of course not. It´s their objective. Just like the killers objective is to kill.