ScottJund

@SmokePotion said:
@The_Crusader said:
@SmokePotion said:
@The_Crusader said:
SmokePotion said:

@The_Crusader said:

SmokePotion said:
@The_Crusader said:

SmokePotion said:
@The_Crusader said: ChesterTheMolester said:
If you have to exploit the chase mechanics to make sure survivors get downed in 40s (or 50% progress) then something is horribly wrong with Legion.    This.
Dive over a pallet and dash for a hit....walk backwards to let them bleed out a bit....sounds like great design right there. it actually does. you don't have to walk backward, just look away, or let them run off, and break line of sight themselves. I choose to take a couple steps backwards, but it doesn't really help the process. Also, if the survivor doesn't run away, it counters the whole process, and you,as the killer, need to find a way to deal with it. I like it, it has counter play, and is using the chase mechanic in the game. Learn to adapt. Cote, is that you? But seriously if that's what you find fun, more power to you. It doesn't suit me though. Getting an easy hit and then cheesing the mechanics to make them blees out.
I prefer the "earn 2 hits" gameplay.



That's absolutely fine :) Everyone likes different things. I happen to be a Hag main. So the 110 movement speed is just another tuesday for me.

I don't think it's really cheesing though. that's the only thing that bothers me  this, is how people think it's somehow abusing a game mechanic.

It's no different then turning backwards at a jungle gym so the survivor doesn't see your red stain coming, ot using your red stain to bluff a bad window vault.

Those are both techniques the community views as "high skill" why is it an exploit to let the survivor run away and break chase?
Probably because it's easy to get a frenzy hit with legion. Then just stalking them down while they need to mend....I dunno feels nasty man.

It is nasty. But less nasty then one hitting with a chainsaw. Also, there's a lot more counter play. especially when you get SWF in the mix.

NOTHING more annoying then someone timing there bleedout to land next to someone that picks them right up.

So lets go over this again, I might try it out later.

I hit them with frenzy, look away to get the timer ticking, then resume looking for them?

Won't that just pause the timer? Or do you let it bleed down a bit then frenzy hit them to deplenish it 100%? I know truetalent does this but he's using the purple add-on which I don't have.

Do I chase them at a distance to keep the timer ticking? And do I need stridor and bloodhoud to locate them again?
You you look away, and watch the meter, the moment it starts ticking down, you start following the bloodtrail. You don't need any of the purps, if you do it this way, it's 3 hit every time. The purps make it so you do not have to let them escape.

Try taking bloodhound. It makes tracking super easy. Also since most people wont heal, you can follow blood trails at gens when they try to stealth you. (since the blood trails last a good bit longer)

edited to add: You do need to understand how close you can get to them before the chase picks back up, but generally speaking, by the time you catch up, they have bled enough for it to be a 3 hit.

@AmorePrincess said:
I like him/her too. Some parts needs some work, but it is different. I havent been completely trashed, and have done a few 4k. I was scared since I am rank 1 that it would be a nightmare, but I've had good fun all day trying out perk builds.

Good thing we all think different, we cant all like the same thing. My spirit gets some well needed off time

I was also scared to use him at rank 1, due to all the hate. I'de be interested in hearing what perk builds you find useful.

Everyone knows bloodhound and stridor. But I've been having a ton of success with huntress' lullaby
I used this tactic. Kind of worked yeah. Felt a little nasty though lol they had no escape. They either stopped to mend and went down, or they ran away and went down.

I can't imagine it's too fun from the survivor side.
Is getting chainsawed fun?

Is a one hit hatchet fun? How about when it's from a hilltop on the other side of the map?

There's counterplay to it so it's not as dirty as some things. And I think it's pretty fun.

Please explain the counterplay to cheesing chase mechanics. Please.

in I love The Legion Comment by ScottJund December 13, 2018

MhhBurgers said:

Add on top of that that he gets genrushed more than ANY other killer, I've had games that lasted maybe 5 minutes due to not having Ruin, I had games with Lullaby that I could drag out to 20+ minutes tho.

His design actually encourages genrushing because healing against him is worthless.

in By design, Legion is the universally least fun killer in the game Comment by ScottJund December 12, 2018

@SmokePotion said:

@ScottJund said:

@SmokePotion said:

@ScottJund said:

@SmokePotion said:

@ScottJund said:

@SmokePotion said:

@ScottJund said:
" a bunch of stuff that was wrong"

You are straight up using him wrong.

Oh I love this part. Please enlighten me on the correct way to use Legion.

It's easy. Go to where survivors are, freny, hit them, when you are on the last person, hit him twice, stun out of frenzy.

then, you let them leave. Count to 3, the chase ends, they bleed out FAST, you follow the blood, try not to start chase to soon, pop frenzy, get hook

Or they run to a pallet and start mending and laugh at you while you can't do anything. I mean sure, you can just sit there and wait for your power to come back, but that only further supports my "least fun killer in the game" debate. You get an unavoidable hit, sit there, and get another unavoidable hit. That is just awful design, I don't care how effective or ineffective it is.

Your power comes back fast, you only need 1-2 seconds to smack them and down them. If they are by a pallet it's a free down.

I'll record a video tonight and post it for you.

How is it a free down if they're at a pallet? They see you coming, they run, initiating chase again. You then have to use your power to hope to catch back up, which means you get another non lethal hit and now they're at around 1/3rd bleedout, and now you have to wait again. You will eventually down someone with Legion with no counterplay, but it takes far too long to be efficient and even if it didn't take long its still awful game design because there's no counterplay whatsoever.

Now that my game isn't loading, I will slow down and explain it a little better.

Let's say I'm patrolling generators, and come across 3 people doing one. I pop frenzy, hit the first guy, the second guy then the third guy. I then stay on that third guy and hit him again, cutting his meter down .

Then I will turn around, while STILL STUNNEd, and look the OPPOSITE DIRECTION of the third person I hit, and count to three. On the count of 3, the chase breaks, causing him to bleed out fast.

I then follow the blood trail back to the third survivor I hit. While I do this, the other 2 are NOT DOING GENS, because they had to mend. Sure they hop back onto the gen after mending, but that 15-20 seconds means A LOT. (that's counting time to walk back to the gen)

Once I get close to the third guy, I pop freny and down them.

NOW, good survivors will sometimes run right to a pallet, and start to mend, if they are your target.

That's fine, You walk around the pallet and smack them, or they hop the pallet, letting you pop frenzy, and knock there meter down to "you better start mending in a few seconds" They run, you do what I said before, count to 3, then follow the blood.

If you come across 3 people doing one generator as Legion they've already massively screwed up and it wasn't a single thing you did as a killer.

Your "strat" against "good survivors" is pretty much the exact thing I said. Hit them, wait, hit them, wait, hit them, down. Which is terrible.

in By design, Legion is the universally least fun killer in the game Comment by ScottJund December 12, 2018

@SmokePotion said:

@ScottJund said:

@SmokePotion said:

@ScottJund said:

@SmokePotion said:

@ScottJund said:
" a bunch of stuff that was wrong"

You are straight up using him wrong.

Oh I love this part. Please enlighten me on the correct way to use Legion.

It's easy. Go to where survivors are, freny, hit them, when you are on the last person, hit him twice, stun out of frenzy.

then, you let them leave. Count to 3, the chase ends, they bleed out FAST, you follow the blood, try not to start chase to soon, pop frenzy, get hook

Or they run to a pallet and start mending and laugh at you while you can't do anything. I mean sure, you can just sit there and wait for your power to come back, but that only further supports my "least fun killer in the game" debate. You get an unavoidable hit, sit there, and get another unavoidable hit. That is just awful design, I don't care how effective or ineffective it is.

Your power comes back fast, you only need 1-2 seconds to smack them and down them. If they are by a pallet it's a free down.

I'll record a video tonight and post it for you.

How is it a free down if they're at a pallet? They see you coming, they run, initiating chase again. You then have to use your power to hope to catch back up, which means you get another non lethal hit and now they're at around 1/3rd bleedout, and now you have to wait again. You will eventually down someone with Legion with no counterplay, but it takes far too long to be efficient and even if it didn't take long its still awful game design because there's no counterplay whatsoever.

in By design, Legion is the universally least fun killer in the game Comment by ScottJund December 12, 2018

@SmokePotion said:

@ScottJund said:

@SmokePotion said:

@ScottJund said:
" a bunch of stuff that was wrong"

You are straight up using him wrong.

Oh I love this part. Please enlighten me on the correct way to use Legion.

It's easy. Go to where survivors are, freny, hit them, when you are on the last person, hit him twice, stun out of frenzy.

then, you let them leave. Count to 3, the chase ends, they bleed out FAST, you follow the blood, try not to start chase to soon, pop frenzy, get hook

Or they run to a pallet and start mending and laugh at you while you can't do anything. I mean sure, you can just sit there and wait for your power to come back, but that only further supports my "least fun killer in the game" debate. You get an unavoidable hit, sit there, and get another unavoidable hit. That is just awful design, I don't care how effective or ineffective it is.

in By design, Legion is the universally least fun killer in the game Comment by ScottJund December 12, 2018

@SmokePotion said:

@ScottJund said:
" a bunch of stuff that was wrong"

You are straight up using him wrong.

Oh I love this part. Please enlighten me on the correct way to use Legion.

in By design, Legion is the universally least fun killer in the game Comment by ScottJund December 12, 2018

@ReneAensland said:
@Incarnate said:
@Carpemortum said:
Incarnate said:

@Carpemortum said:

Incarnate said:
@ad19970 said:

People need to give the devs a break though. They did well with so many of the killer designs before, and they are forced to constantly think of new ideas for the killer. So I can understand why'd they screw up a killer once.

With that said, I 100% agree with you on this post. Exactly why I always knew they couldn't buff him in any considerable way. Your post perfectly summarizes what's wrong with The Legion and why he can't be fixed. Guess we have to just move on and hope for a better killer design next time.

The only way to make Legion viable without making survivors quit the game is to rework him. He needs a rework more urgently than Freddy, sadly.



No, we do not, because so many of us in the community have been providing tons of valuable feedback, both before, during and after the PTBs, but instead of taking what we say seriously, they take it with "a grain of salt" and put their own twist on it. Quite many, including me said several times that the legion really needs a rework and should not be released as is. When we voice our concerns, like for instance during a Q&amp;A we all know what Cote will say, we should all go play some civilization for a refreshing change, because that is exactly how seriously he takes our concerns - like not at all. Who's the same one who thinks the killers should be fun and don't need to be viable. So once they actually begin to take our concerns serously, then we can begin to cut them some slack. As I've said before, they should not release content that is not balanced or not ready to be released, because it wrecks all kinds of havoc in doing so. You say they did well with so many killers before, well that certainly depends on perspective, and instead of actually fixing the issues they apply bandaid solutions.



There are also many in the community who dont have their panties in a twist over legion, as they are a viable killer.
They're not no. 1 killer, but they're not as trash as everyone wants them to be.

Yes there are some who for very odd reasons fervorously keep defending the legion, claiming that the legion is strong and viable, when it's glaringly obvious that the legion is now by far DbDs current weakest killer, and that legion is non-viable due to being the current weakest killer. I get you want the legion to viable and better, but legion is just not there yet, far from it. And I don't want the legion to be trash, but unfortunately that doesn't change anything.

Besides, people also being fed up with BHVR not taking our concerns, feedback and suggestion on how to fix seriously, that they're only taking it with "a grain of salt" and putting their own twist on things. And that is quite understandable, because this is something that keeps happening recurringly.

Go watch tru3 play some legion. One person at least tried and shows legion is viable. Just need synergy.
I did play legion in the PTB, and I did also see some off Tru3's videos about legion where for most of the times he was using very rare addons, which doesn't say anything about if the killers balanced or not, and believe or not, those addons are likely going to be nerfed, it says nothing about the legion being viable or being balanced for that matter. There a lot of things that the legion needs to be viable, and they're most likely have to rework it's power.
Tru3 stated Legion might be the worst killer.

I wouldn't bother. These people's criteria of "this killer is good is" "this person did well with this killer sometimes."

in By design, Legion is the universally least fun killer in the game Comment by ScottJund December 12, 2018

@MhhBurgers said:
The mending action needs to take like 16 seconds and double if you've already been wounded by him, this still wouldn't change the fact that he's fundamentally broken, while nurse is not hard to master you still don't see her every game because she's stressful to play, legion is a walk in the park and would break the game.

That wouldn't even fix the "no fun" thing. In fact, he'd be even more boring for survivors.

in By design, Legion is the universally least fun killer in the game Comment by ScottJund December 12, 2018

@Carpemortum said:
ScottJund said:

@Carpemortum said:

ScottJund said:

While I'll concede that Legion would be at least decent with normal killer movement speed, it still doesn't address the fact he is the least fun killer in the game for both sides. I originally thought just giving him normal movespeed would at least bandaid him but he's actually completely fundamentally broken. Let's look at the ways to play him and why they are all terrible for both killer and survivor.

Basically the gameplay flow is: find survivor -&gt; feral when close enough -&gt; get free hit -&gt; look around for nearby survivors. If none nearby, hit original target again to bleed out more. If there are survivors in range, tag them until you can't tag anyone else, then hit the closest survivor again to drain frenzy.

From there, you have a few options. The first is go look for someone who is mending, and just chase them as a no-power 110% movespeed killer. As long as the survivors have a brain and used their 20 seconds of bleedout to get to even a remotely safe area, this is painful and unfun for the killer.

You can also just repeatedly hit the survivor, waiting for your power to cooldown (which can be aided by addons). This guarantees you will eventually down the survivor because there's not much you can do to avoid a feral Legion. This is painful and unfun for the survivor.

The other option is to follow a survivor backwards and just cheese the chase mechanics of the game until they either bleed out or get to low enough bleedout to be hit by an unavoidable frenzy hit. This is painful and unfun for the survivor and the killer.

Hell, even people that still like hiding / playing stealthily can't do that.

That's it. Those are the options Legion has to down people. All of them are immensely boring, and not even 115% movespeed will fix these issues. He is fundamentally badly designed for maximum unfun. The developers in charge of Legion absolutely do not understand this, as they thought removing the double stun would be a good fix, when in reality all it does is promote the unavoidable eventual downing of a survivor with no counterplay earlier.

The sad part is even though he can guarantee downs on survivors, he's still awful. It takes a decent chunk of time without addons to either cheese chase mechanic down or just repeat-power use down. This ensures: the survivor being chased eventually has no counterplay, which feels terrible. It ensures the Legion will still lose vs. a coordinated team who spread out and do not waste time healing (because there is no point), and it ensures that the other teammates not actively being chased are either bored mending or bored doing generators.

Every single thing about Legion is bad.

I enjoy the legion. They're fun to play as and against imo. Such hate lately. If its not your killer so be it. Dont try to ######### in my sandwich

Can you find faults in any of my arguments, though?

Yes? For one you say it's not fun for anyone, which is false.

Are we defining them by viable? Or fun? Because you try to argue both.

You can tag one, two, three people and then chase. Use frenzy to catch and mind game. Make them waste pallets. Any number of things to apply SPLIT PRESSURE and buy time, which as you claim is an issue with his power. Time to down ratio.

So while I could spend 20 mins and write out multiple scenarios countering what you said, it's a waste of time. Go watch tru3 or anyone else who isnt just ######### talking legion play them. Theres many options and builds. It's just not the top tier killer or exactly what the community asked for so everyone jumps on the "legion is trash" train.

You can tag three people if the opposing team is braindead and doesn't know how Legion works. Any remote splitting up and you are even more useless than you currently are as Legion. You barely buy any pressure because the second you tag someone and run to the next person, the first person is immediately mending. You don't even gain time advantage because you spend time going for the next guy.

in By design, Legion is the universally least fun killer in the game Comment by ScottJund December 12, 2018

@Carpemortum said:
Incarnate said:

@Carpemortum said:

Incarnate said:
@ad19970 said:

People need to give the devs a break though. They did well with so many of the killer designs before, and they are forced to constantly think of new ideas for the killer. So I can understand why'd they screw up a killer once.

With that said, I 100% agree with you on this post. Exactly why I always knew they couldn't buff him in any considerable way. Your post perfectly summarizes what's wrong with The Legion and why he can't be fixed. Guess we have to just move on and hope for a better killer design next time.

The only way to make Legion viable without making survivors quit the game is to rework him. He needs a rework more urgently than Freddy, sadly.



No, we do not, because so many of us in the community have been providing tons of valuable feedback, both before, during and after the PTBs, but instead of taking what we say seriously, they take it with "a grain of salt" and put their own twist on it. Quite many, including me said several times that the legion really needs a rework and should not be released as is. When we voice our concerns, like for instance during a Q&amp;A we all know what Cote will say, we should all go play some civilization for a refreshing change, because that is exactly how seriously he takes our concerns - like not at all. Who's the same one who thinks the killers should be fun and don't need to be viable. So once they actually begin to take our concerns serously, then we can begin to cut them some slack. As I've said before, they should not release content that is not balanced or not ready to be released, because it wrecks all kinds of havoc in doing so. You say they did well with so many killers before, well that certainly depends on perspective, and instead of actually fixing the issues they apply bandaid solutions.



There are also many in the community who dont have their panties in a twist over legion, as they are a viable killer.
They're not no. 1 killer, but they're not as trash as everyone wants them to be.

Yes there are some who for very odd reasons fervorously keep defending the legion, claiming that the legion is strong and viable, when it's glaringly obvious that the legion is now by far DbDs current weakest killer, and that legion is non-viable due to being the current weakest killer. I get you want the legion to viable and better, but legion is just not there yet, far from it. And I don't want the legion to be trash, but unfortunately that doesn't change anything.

Besides, people also being fed up with BHVR not taking our concerns, feedback and suggestion on how to fix seriously, that they're only taking it with "a grain of salt" and putting their own twist on things. And that is quite understandable, because this is something that keeps happening recurringly.

Go watch tru3 play some legion. One person at least tried and shows legion is viable. Just need synergy.

I've 4k'd 24 speed limiter Leatherface games in a row at red ranks. Does that mean speed limiter leatherface is good?

Legion isn't complicated. We've figured him out. He's bad.

in By design, Legion is the universally least fun killer in the game Comment by ScottJund December 12, 2018

@Carpemortum said:
ScottJund said:

While I'll concede that Legion would be at least decent with normal killer movement speed, it still doesn't address the fact he is the least fun killer in the game for both sides. I originally thought just giving him normal movespeed would at least bandaid him but he's actually completely fundamentally broken. Let's look at the ways to play him and why they are all terrible for both killer and survivor.

Basically the gameplay flow is: find survivor -> feral when close enough -> get free hit -> look around for nearby survivors. If none nearby, hit original target again to bleed out more. If there are survivors in range, tag them until you can't tag anyone else, then hit the closest survivor again to drain frenzy.

From there, you have a few options. The first is go look for someone who is mending, and just chase them as a no-power 110% movespeed killer. As long as the survivors have a brain and used their 20 seconds of bleedout to get to even a remotely safe area, this is painful and unfun for the killer.

You can also just repeatedly hit the survivor, waiting for your power to cooldown (which can be aided by addons). This guarantees you will eventually down the survivor because there's not much you can do to avoid a feral Legion. This is painful and unfun for the survivor.

The other option is to follow a survivor backwards and just cheese the chase mechanics of the game until they either bleed out or get to low enough bleedout to be hit by an unavoidable frenzy hit. This is painful and unfun for the survivor and the killer.

Hell, even people that still like hiding / playing stealthily can't do that.

That's it. Those are the options Legion has to down people. All of them are immensely boring, and not even 115% movespeed will fix these issues. He is fundamentally badly designed for maximum unfun. The developers in charge of Legion absolutely do not understand this, as they thought removing the double stun would be a good fix, when in reality all it does is promote the unavoidable eventual downing of a survivor with no counterplay earlier.

The sad part is even though he can guarantee downs on survivors, he's still awful. It takes a decent chunk of time without addons to either cheese chase mechanic down or just repeat-power use down. This ensures: the survivor being chased eventually has no counterplay, which feels terrible. It ensures the Legion will still lose vs. a coordinated team who spread out and do not waste time healing (because there is no point), and it ensures that the other teammates not actively being chased are either bored mending or bored doing generators.

Every single thing about Legion is bad.

I enjoy the legion. They're fun to play as and against imo. Such hate lately. If its not your killer so be it. Dont try to ######### in my sandwich

Can you find faults in any of my arguments, though?

in By design, Legion is the universally least fun killer in the game Comment by ScottJund December 12, 2018

@ad19970 said:
People need to give the devs a break though. They did well with so many of the killer designs before, and they are forced to constantly think of new ideas for the killer. So I can understand why'd they screw up a killer once.
With that said, I 100% agree with you on this post. Exactly why I always knew they couldn't buff him in any considerable way. Your post perfectly summarizes what's wrong with The Legion and why he can't be fixed. Guess we have to just move on and hope for a better killer design next time.

The only way to make Legion viable without making survivors quit the game is to rework him. He needs a rework more urgently than Freddy, sadly.

Actually considering how amazing Spirit is I had full faith they'd make Legion playable after the negative feedback. They've been doing really good lately until now.

in By design, Legion is the universally least fun killer in the game Comment by ScottJund December 11, 2018

@HatCreature said:
The whole point of this Killer isn't to down people

That's the point of every killer in the game.

in Upcoming Legion Changes Discussion Comment by ScottJund December 7, 2018

@The_Crusader said:

@Raccoon said:

@The_Crusader said:

@Raccoon said:
"While not in a chase, the Deep Wound timer will tick down – even while using the Mend action. As long as The Survivor continues to mend, the timer will not progress past 99% and will not go into the dying state."

They almost made a viable change, but then they remembered that the game can be pretty spooky without someone holding your hand

That is ridiculous. If mend ticked down fully while mending you'd be buggered. You'd have what, 20 seconds in which to get away from the killer and fully heal? and it takes 15 seconds to mend. So you'd have 5 seconds in which to run away and find a place to mend fully.

Sounds like a well-thought out mechanic all around, sir/madam!

(By that, I mean the general concept of Deep Wounds)

Have an awesome

I'm not going to disagree with that.

A killer who can sprint at 120% speed and vault pallets.....yeah that's going to be an easy one to balance.

See I still don't get that. Who cares that he can vault pallets? All he can do is just hit you and drain all his power while you lose a small chunk of a timer that doesn't even go down while he's chasing you. Its not like you can vault the pallet, cancel the power, and still hit the person - they're long gone on the other side at that point.

in Upcoming Legion Changes Discussion Comment by ScottJund December 6, 2018

DwightsLifeMatters said:
ScottJund said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said:
ScottJund said:

@DwightsLifeMatters said:

ScottJund said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said:

ScottJund said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said: ScottJund said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said:    ScottJund said:
@Orion said: @ScottJund said: @Orion said: @ScottJund said: Then you could make the same argument that "Ruin stops survivors from taking advantage of gen rushing." I don't even think Ruin is overpowered, I'm just showing your argument isn't very strong. Gen rushing is a symptom of a bigger problem (lack of objectives). Ruin is just a band-aid solution. Neither has anything to do with what I said. Gen rushing is the killer's lack of doing anything to threaten survivors who are completing their objective. The only issue is the first hook. As soon as there is a single hook, there are now other objectives for the survivors. Ruin helps with that first part. Go look up the depip squad's experiment. Gen rushing has little to do with what the Killer does. Their experiment is extremely outdated, from a time when killer was far weaker, and wasn't even relevant when it wasn't outdated. Absolutely no one plays like that.
Idk where ur playing DbD (NA I guess?) but EU players are absolutely tryhards, especially from germany, Spain and England. They really play like the depip squad         I just watched tru3ta1ent for like two hours and not a single team he went against played like that. No they don't.        Well, tbh 2 hrs doesn't represent everything.
It's much better to watch his youtube videos cuz he's uploading most likely those insane tryhard games. For example this
Or this    These are just some of his latest, he has some much more insane matches but I don't have the time to search them.
What I'm trying to say: EU players verse these people much more than anyone else. At least that's my personal experience from playing on EU servers and watching non EU players live streams Did you really just cite evidence with hand-selected games that were sweaty and therefore actually worth watching? Really? No ######### he's not going to upload the 50 other boring games with megheads that just sprint into him and die - that's not even fun to watch.
But ur 2 hrs aren't handselected? riiiiiight..



What? How can you be more unbiased than just picking the last random two hours of his stream? ######### is this
What I'm trying to say: ur 2hrs doesn't represent anything. If ur really scottjund I'm really suprised how illogical u r

You are trying to make the argument that a set of specifically picked games is more unbiased than a random sampling from his stream, and then call me illogical. Are you just trolling me at this point?

"a set of specifically picked games is more unbiased than a random sampling from his stream"
When did I say that? I just simple said that ur point isn't valid, no matter what I tried to show before. The clips were just examples, ofc I'm not going to spend the rest of my day and link every single video just to show it to you lol
Then you must agree your point is just as invalid, which means there's absolutely no proof people play like that in EU.
That's why I said MY EXPERIENCE, I don't have the big ego not to admit that my point isn't 100% valid. As I said, its my own experience and observation that EU players are harder to verse

Uh where did you say my experience in your original post? You presented it as fact