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Plenty of people, men and women alike, have different thoughts about the reworks, and I've seen plenty of complaints about Ace, Dwight, and David.
I mained Kate before the reworks so my feedback naturally is focused on her. Regardless if you think Kate's rework is better or worse, I think its true to say her expression/animations changed quite a bit. People that liked her original expression are understandably upset at this change. I do agree the overall texture detail is better. I'd just like them to tweak her expression to look more like her original personality.
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I'd prefer tools be given to block contact and protect privacy from players I don't wish to interact with. Running to daddy megacorporation to save me from the bully and expecting a just outcome doesn't sound like a great idea.
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Same, I've played less Kate lately, when she is my main. Trying to play her to see if I'll get used to the new look, but I really don't think it's going to grow on me. They need to rework her rework.
I've been playing Claire, who I'm also hoping gets a fix soon. They swapped out her zombie eyes in the patch but she still needs some work. Doesn't look at all like Claire from the RE2 remake.
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It would be a nightmare to balance the maps but I'd be down for the chaos
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@ProfoundEnding said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2394540#Comment_2394540
1.3 is actually a very small number compared to the community as a whole.
Sorry, I couldn't ask the entire community at once? It's certainly not an insignificant amount of feedback. The post is also less than a day old. All of my DBD friends who play Kate also hate her rework. It's anecdotal but worth mentioning. But I guess the rework scowling 40 year-old Kate looks better to you in that image?
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My favorite character now permanently looks like she just bit into a lemon while being told she has to come back into work on a weekend. I don't know how people think this is an improvement. Also over 1.3k upvotes on this Reddit comparison post, but I guess it's just a few of us complainers that don't like her rework...
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Reddit post by user GoMati now has almost 1300 upvotes in less than 24 hours. I don't know if Reddit counts as one of the devs "official feedback sources" but it seems like a significant portion of the community shares our opinion on the Kate rework.
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Devs confirmed Jill is bugged.
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@SasukeKun said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2388086#Comment_2388086
All that looks different is they changed her makeup to have less opacity for some reason, especially on Eyeliner which i liked on Kate, how can you also not like the new hair? it moves way more now and better, like all the long hairs should
You really don't see any other changes? Her expression (animation) changed completely. I don't care how they fix it, whether it's makeup, model/animation tweaks, etc. She shouldn't look perma-angry. Give her back her original personality.
I never mentioned hair in my complaints but I'll give my opinion on them. Regarding the hair changes, I like most of them. The one from the most recent rift with the red sunglasses looks a little botched in the update but that may be a bug.
I dislike how much they lightened her brunette default hair recolor, from very dark almost black, to a medium brown shade. Also, her "dirty blonde" ponytail no longer has any blonde streaks. It's just brown now.
Lastly, the changes to the Golden Cascade hair shown in the image above. I'm indifferent to the change. It wasn't my favorite style to begin with. However, I don't think BHVR should be drastically changing a hair that people purchased for cells. I would have rather seen them release it in a rift or just in the store as an option to purchase separately.
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@TragicSolitude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2392788#Comment_2392788
Euw. This is definitely the mark of someone who 1. doesn't understand hairstyles, and 2. should never be allowed to touch faces.
I hate that they changed the hairstyles and hair colors on a bunch of cosmetics. They made so many things worse. Very rarely do people buy cosmetics because they don't like them and want them changed. No one asked for this.
The reddit post of the image is currently over 50 upvotes. If that counts as "official feedback"...
Update: Over 90 votes now
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This makes me sad :c
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That's a yikes D:
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I'm pretty sure stridor and the louder injured noises add on do stack. But they're now useless because Iron Will trumps them both after the patch.
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I'm only running them when I have at least 2 friends with me or I'm playing killer. Too much risk of getting tunneled and camped or left on first hook in solo queue.
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This would really differentiate the legendary skins from their base characters, and help justify the $15 price tag. Claire having her own voice was a big reason I was willing to buy her.
Would love prestige cosmetics for legendary skins as well.
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@Aknoton said:
Yes, I like Kate's appearance with the new skin, only this is not Kate, but some other girl. Kate's old image is ruined, with old skins she looks terrible.
I'm holding out some hope since they at least slightly adjusted her from the PTB. Lets just try to keep making our opinions heard constructively! It would be nice if they ever acknowledged feedback. Something like "hey, that's a good point, we're going to adjust xyz". Sometimes it feels like we're just wasting our time making thought-out posts that no one reads.
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@Kinguin22 said:
This new "Kate" just ain't it. We get it that they have to update the visual looks of survivors, but why did they give Kate a face rework? They should've adjusted the old Kate instead of giving her a MEG 2.0 face.
I think they could fix her pretty easily if they care. Someone on Reddit pointed out how much better the rework looks on her new set compared to the original cosmetics. If her other cosmetics looked more like the one below, I'd be much happier with the rework. I don't know if its the makeup or what, but the new head seems more like Kate's old expression; slight smile, calm, hopeful.
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@Satelit said:
It's just nostalgia,the new ones are objectively better.
Lol at "objectively better" being applied to subjective art design changes. If more pixels = objectively better, Mass Effect: Andromeda's potato faces would have been perceived as improvements on the previous games instead of rightfully memed to hell and back.
If we're going to apply any metric to the changes, I would argue we should use the one the devs themselves stated as their goal for the updates: the survivors should look as close as possible to the originals.
They've clearly strayed from this goal with some of the character changes and criticism is reasonable.
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I'd kill for a recolor of this head with a natural hair color and less makeup. I never cared for the original look. The update made it look a little better imo, but I dislike the precedence of making significant changes to cosmetics that were purchased with cells.
For me, the changes to the Star Seeker head were a downgrade. They removed the overdrawn makeup around her lips from the original and made it look like just a recolor of her default head.
Also, not a very popular one, but the "dirty blonde" ponytail is now just brown...
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The Kate rework still looks so bad imo. They need to fix her expression to make her look less annoyed/angry. I think she would look ok if they just soften her expression and maybe adjust her eyes a bit. Her mouth doesn't really bother me tbh.
Also, they changed some of her more unique styles like the Star Seeker one. It had overdrawn lipstick before and now it just looks like another recolor of her default. Kind of annoyed they changed that for no reason. I'm more indifferent on the change to the Gold Cascade hair, but I don't appreciate them making drastic changes to skins that are only available for auric cells.
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I may spend as little as possible to get enough cells for the rift pass, since I know I'll finish the whole thing and get them back. That said, I'm spending as little as I can on the game at this point. Bugs, performance issues, bad balance changes, and they scuffed the Kate rework. Also they barely touched up Claire and I'm still salty about how low quality they made her for a $15 skin.
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@IlliterateGenocide said:
i assume the same problem happens with jane?
I'm not sure. I don't play Jane very often and don't own most of her store outfits.
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face could use a few more touch-ups as well...
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Welcome to the feedback section, also known as the sad Kate main support group <3
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She stopped taking those South American "supplements" D:
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@Pinkamen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2388124#Comment_2388124
Can i see where?
From the bug reports section
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Devs already confirmed Jill is bugged
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The devs literally stated in the update that the goal was for "the updated versions of each Survivor are as similar as possible to ones you know and love". With that being the stated goal, I think criticism is justified given how much Kate's face and expression are changed.
Original:
Live:
Eyes are narrowed, nostrils flared, eyebrows angled. All this changes her expression from slightly smiling, calm "hopeful songbird", to various degrees of annoyed/angry.
I'm not asking for the devs to revert the changes. I just want them to do what they said was their stated goal.
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@Dreadnight said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zjDhc6nK-8
Please watch the video again and answer me.
Why are Kate's breasts the only ones bouncing while she runs?
Her and Jane have always had chest physics, although they are missing on some of the more recent outfits.
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@FeminineSlime said:
Yeah feels like they barely did anything about her. Very sad. Been playing like a noose was around my neck for weeks now and the wood just dropped out from underneath lol. I'm still holding out hope they'll make some adjustments but... F.
The gallows gen finished and we were repairing on the wrong sides D:
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@philomela said:
I think the biggest change with Kate really is her makeup is less heavy that it used to be on those heads, which has a huge affect on the look, but her overall face model is very similar (just higher poly, which means the lines are smoother, which they should be).
The eyes probably have more detail now and the texture is larger meaning they're not as arresting. But the bottom two headshots you posted are clearly not very naturalistic, she is staring too hard almost like she's posessed.
Also her eyebrows are the same position and angle. It's all just the effect of the makeup.
I agree though that some of those heads (mostly the bottom two) should have heavier eye makeup to match the originals, since that was clearly part of the look that is now missing. Bottom left needs stronger blusher too.
If they were going to heavily change any of her heads, I would have been ok with the pigtails one tbh lol. But I'm more against setting a precedence of significantly altering cosmetics that were bought with real money.
I think her overall expression needs to be softened to look closer to the original, whether that's through makeup (textures), animations, etc. Her nose always being flared seems like a problem with the animation, as it looks fine in the still preview image they showed. You can also see how her eyes are narrowed in the rework, looking at the lower eyeline. The eyes seem like a texture issue, but could maybe be cleaned up on the animation side as well.
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@SlowLoris said:
Please...PLEASE just adjust her mouth, and she'll be perfect. She looks like a chipmunk that's constantly chewing on something, and it's that with ALL of her heads....there isn't a single one I can escape it, and I own so many of her outfits. :(
It seems like they did slightly close her mouth from how it was on PTB. Hard to tell for sure. imo, she needs her overall expression softened to look more like her original.
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I'd like to mention Kate's rework as well. Her expression changed so much from her original. It doesn't fit her backstory or the devs stated goal to keep the reworks as close as possible to the originals.
Original:
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Why are her nostrils flared, eyes narrowed, and eyebrows angled down. It changes her expression from her calm, slightly smiling demeanor, to various degrees of annoyed/angry.
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Claire looks the same. A mod confirmed Jill's change is a known issue and the devs are aware.
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@BabyBubz said:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/HBP9FD56CAJ6/image.png
Just what is this guys T_T
At least now we know where Claire's cheeks went...
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And yet they didn't really fix her face. Just slightly less angry looking
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@Johnny_XMan said:
It seems to me that a lot of the problem with the new models is their animations. It’s almost as if they used the old animation on top of a new 3D model that doesn’t fit them.
I wish the Art team would make their presence known so they could clarify for us. 😓
True, I thought the same thing when they started teasing the reworks. The still images with no animation looked good but the in-game previews looked...off. That said, most of them still have their old expressions for the most part. Kate definitely got the worst rework imo, but they could redeem it if they adjust the animation. Praying its not as horrific as it was on PTB D:
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Current live build for comparison. How anyone can see the "rework" as an improvement is beyond me.
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@DwarvenTavern said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2384720#Comment_2384720
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/P0A1JCICIVJT/screenshot-20210726-175540-chrome.jpg
Permanent snarl?
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/PP86OMVOPSJM/screenshot-20210726-175601-chrome.jpg
No offense, but that's not a snarl. That's more of an annoyed look
How would you describe these?
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@DwarvenTavern said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2384710#Comment_2384710
I mean.. yeah.
You can be happy all you want, but being tortured day in and day out constantly for years will literally change you.
Don't get me wrong, I get the complaints, but it also would make sense as to why she looks so angry
They shouldn't make every character have a permanent snarling animation when they're supposed to have distinct personalities that are reflected in their faces. Ace still has his smirk in game, albeit somewhat changed from before. Dwight still looks scared. Most of the others didn't change much in terms of the emotion in their facial expressions. This is why Kate's rework was so disliked on the PTB feedback forums. BHVR stated the goal was to update them without changing their "look". They went way off base with Kate and haven't responded to any of the criticism so far.
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@DwarvenTavern said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2384251#Comment_2384251
Kate looks a bit cuter though
You need to see her in game,not the still screenshots that have no animation applied. Her facial animations on PTB made her look permanently pissed off instead her usual "hopeful songbird" expression. Her nose is flared up and her eyebrows angled down like she's about to toss Meg on a hook for missing a skillcheck. They also removed her eye shadow.
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
I watched the video. I didn't see any changes. The two most controversial ones, Kate and Feng, look the same as before.
Yea, same. I was hoping they would implement feedback from the PTB, but guess we should have learned by now. Can't wait to play snarling Kate...
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Kate looked awful on the PTB. I really hope they are at least planning on adjusting her animations after all the feedback if they haven't made any changes yet.
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Everyone talking about this idea in relation to game balance and I'm over here thinking of bringing anniversary cake and survivor pudding c:
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I like Claire's voice
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Have you considered that the dark maps are intended to make it harder to see things?
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Sounds like me when I saw Kate's new face on the PTB :c
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@grayon444 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2367401#Comment_2367401
Oh, but they cared if people mixed their characters so a fun glitch had to be removed because of them?
Yes they do care.
Thats speculation with no evidence. There was no statement from either BHVR or Capcom that Capcom demanded no mixing sets. BHVR likely took it upon themselves as a precaution to avoid issues with any of the various licenses.
I'm still mad about it of course, especially when it comes to original characters. But that's another discussion.
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@grayon444 said:
There was a twitter post saying that the devs are aware that we are unhappy with Claires face.
But they said its going to be a lot of back and forth with Capcom to get her fixed but it will happen eventually.
There is also a twitter account dedicated to fixing Claires face as well.
If Capcom cared about DBD Claire being accurate she wouldn't have been released...
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2365463#Comment_2365463
what makes you think legion is getting a rework next? I think in the last qanda stream they did, they said they were looking at huntress freddy and demogorgon.
Huntress, Freddy, and Demo have had their reworks. I don't remember where I heard it but I heard Legion and Trapper were next.