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Just tunnel people out of the game ASAP and you won't need to worry about it.
The more people you let make it to end game, the higher the odds of it occurring.
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Misery Squad representing in here.
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@Veinslay said:
Matchmaking stops existing when queue times get long for either side
Ah, I just checked and there's under 40k online, so that's probably what's happening in my region, atm.
Thanks :)
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@ThiccBudhha said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3141740#Comment_3141740
No, it does not depend on their hook looping ability. You can just leave the hook. It is an instant activation. You do not physically have to be there the entire time, fam.
I'm looking forward to seeing people figure out the versatility/value of 'Drive By' Reassurance.
It allows for some good set up/plays on survivor side.
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Personally, the change to Corrupt was my favorite change in that patch.
I could literally end the game after a quick first chase (depending on killer choice and current sweat level) as killer and was very tired of seeing it every game, often causing survivors to meander aimlessly for 2 minutes/hide it out.
It's much healthier/less stale.
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Ah, this topic brings me back :3
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@Crowman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3140183#Comment_3140183
The thing is a killer body blocking a survivor in the corner of the map is a reportable offense.
The killer preventing you from being unhooked is not.
You can't list unhooking as part of survivor gameplay and being on hooked is not intended gameplay, because in order for a survivor to unhook someone they have to be on the hook.
The idea that the killer's main way of killing survivors in a trial is somehow causes survivors to not be playing the game is just not true at all.
Bro/Sis...
" When one side enjoys it and the other does not, when one side only cares about winning and refuses to consider the bigger picture (balacing the experience for both sides, in this case), it's usually not called a videogame, but war."
I think we're in the trenches.
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@botany_nerd said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3140192#Comment_3140192
not grounded in reality? i gave you an example of how being on the hook is not playing the game and in each part i used the same time as someone on a hook for each stage. well now i know not to reply to anything you have to say if your gonna try to bring some poor argument like that. i wish you the best of luck but i don't see a point in talking to you with poor arguments like that so have a good day and goodbye.
Feel free to tag a dev/mod and ask them directly if being on the hook is part of the gameplay loop/playing the game.
Get your answer straight from the top - You can do it!
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@Damarus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3140010#Comment_3140010
Flawed reasoning. If someone blocked you in a corner for the entirety of the match, back when Twins could do it, you were still inside the match. Didn't mean you were still playing it. But I am used to these forums, where there will always be people who, in spite of common sense, will think of their ideas as right. I'll try to elaborate this further, should be simple enough to understand:
The game is, first and foremost, not free. So I expect to be able to play entirely something I paid for. With that out of the way, let's move to the main stuff:
Survivor gameplay is, or at least is intended to be about
- Being chased;
- Unhooking;
- Reparing gens;
- Healing yourself or others.
These are the main things, with some extras along the way (totems, saves). If you get to play only ONE of those things, you ARE NOT being allowed to play. Think of it along these lines. Someone who cheats is technically still playing the game and, probably, winning. Does it mean he wins because he deserves to? Is it really him playing, or is it something else doing it in his place? Is he playing the game, or using something to make an advantage for himself AND ruining the fun of others? Videogames are meant to be fun, for both sides. You can win, you can lose, but you should BE ABLE TO ENJOY IT, whatever the case. When one side enjoys it and the other does not, when one side only cares about winning and refuses to consider the bigger picture (balacing the experience for both sides, in this case), it's usually not called a videogame, but war.
Maybe they'll make some sort of ruling clarification regarding blocking people in a corner, explaining how it is not normal gameplay.
Maybe they'll do the same regarding cheating.
Perhaps a petition to the devs is in order for them to also emphasize during the portions of their video tutorials that discuss/explain hooking/phases/etc that being hooked IS NOT a part of 'gameplay' despite having the game running and being listed on the server as an active participant in the match.
I'm also down with investigating people that are not able to contribute to all of your listed categories as they are clearly not playing/being prevented from contributing!
Someone needs to tell these devs what gameplay is and how their game works!
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@botany_nerd said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3140152#Comment_3140152
literally just explained but yeah just ignore it huh? if you can't be bothered to actually read my post then don't expect me to read any of yours.
Your post is not grounded in reality or the confines of the game.
I'd certainly be interested to see your breakdown of the various phases/steps involved in survivor gameplay.
We can definitely have this discussion if you want - I certainly read your post.
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@botany_nerd said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3140010#Comment_3140010
being on a hook is not playing the game so knock that garbage off. if someone came up to me playing a game and took my controller away for 60 seconds am i still playing the game when i can't control it? or better yet what if i was allowed to press a button on another device that had 3 chances to work with a 4% success rate that will give me my controller back. but if all 3 fail then i have to wait for someone to come and take the controller back and give it to me within 60 seconds or my game turns off and i have to start the game back up and restart on the level i was on.
im sure you'll say it's not the same.
Explain how being on a hook is not part of the normal gameplay loop and maybe someone will agree.
@Crowman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3139994#Comment_3139994
There's nothing incorrect about that. The killer eliminates survivors by sacrificing them. The survivor is the only team that gets eliminated throughout the game. This is nothing about "survivors are fated to lose". It's just simply what the game is. If you don't want to be eliminated you can play killer, because that is the side that cannot be eliminated.
People literally can't handle/understandb the basic gameplay loop.
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Slugging and Tunneling are going to be the de facto tactics for killers that play 'for kills' after Chapter drops.
Camping has a perk nerf. Slugging was recently buffed and tunneling has not really been touched (people just tunnel through OTR/BT).
Welcome to the 'new' meta.
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Reassurance helps with camping, but just makes people playing 'for kills' resort to insta tunneling unhooked survivors (through BT/OTR/etc).
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What does everyone think of 'drive by' Reassurance (ie procing it when the killer is not camping....used to keep people in the game, prevent forced stages/kills, set up end game plays, speedy heals, etc....just providing some examples as I'm sure some people won't see the value in removing any urgency from the act of unhooking).
I'm almost certain that the perk will require some sort of killer presence in its activation requirements (ie within 32m) to be balanced.
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@Olafaloofian said:
Yes, I was running Decisive Strike. Yes, I was running Off the Record. Yes, I took him to the shack. Still got tunneled straight out of the game. So fun, much skill wow 👏
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/I6MMOOBIVX3X/tunnel.png
I believe that with the release of the next chapter, tunneling will be the best way for killers that focus on just getting kills to do so.
Camping is basically gutted, so people will naturally gravitate towards hard tunneling.
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OTR doesn't really effect my killer games, honestly.
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@KayTwoAyy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3137449#Comment_3137449
This isn't a 'healthy way to implement any kind of meaningful change.'
Healthy would be redesigning the core mechanics that make camping & tunneling viable strategies in the first place.
First and foremost, DBD is a game that people play for their own entertainment.
It should be the goal of the developer to make the game entertaining for as long, and for as many people, as possible.
The game's entertainment currently hinges too much on goodwill, of which there is simply not enough to go around in the gaming community.
'Goodwill' + 'Elimination Game' = LOL for most people.
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@Phasmamain said:
So the meta shifting patch was made for multiple reasons. One of which was to allow players to experiment with other perk options outside the meta since the meta had become to rigid and strong. As survivor (solo especially) running BT, DS and an exhaustion perk was basically required.
So the new RE chapter comes out and lo and behold BHVR are back at their old habits. Reassurance is a hard counter to camping that is downright necessary when playing solo due to coordination being a suggestion rather than a reality. BHVR can buff all the weaker perks you want but if they don’t add base kit camping and tunnelling deterrents than these perks will be ran every game
So instead of your build being DS, BT and exhaustion it’s now OTR, reassurance, exhaustion. Perk variety has gone back to as bad as before basically. I really hope this trend doesn’t continue but I fear it will
I'll probably still be running SC/BK/Bite the Bullet (or OoO)/Overcome (or Lithe).
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@HugTheHag said:
It might be, if only to prevent it from being used after the gates are powered, which I'm more than fine with.
As for the "abuse potential", I'd much rather have an option for the hooked survivor to refuse the reassurance than for the cooldown to be longer or anything.
I feel like that is not an option/would be too much for these devs to code :P
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@Crowman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3137042#Comment_3137042
I still don't see anyway for indefinitely pausing of hook timer to ever be healthy inclusion into the game. Sometimes as a killer forcing a survivor to the next hook state is the play to make and while I see nothing wrong with perks to extend the hook timer duration, I see an issue if that extension is unlimited. At some point survivors need to make the rescue or the survivor on hook dies.
I like that the perk stops straight up facecamping (but not really as the rescuer will still go down before getting to the hook against the 'big' offenders, resulting in 1 hooked/1slugged...soon to be hooked).
As you said, there are times when a killer should confirm a 2nd stage/kill off of a hook.
Now, if you are having a tight game and need to secure a stage/kill, you can be thwarted by a 'drive by' Reassurance even if you weren't hard-camping/facecamping (ie - you drop chase/patrol far away from the hook - you NEED this progression or it's a blowout). This also shortens the length of the game, in most cases.
I don't really care about kills/escapes/etc and perform very well at the game (need this disclaimed for the incoming brigade @_@), but this seems to just make tunneling the de-facto superior method of 'securing kills' / progressing killer objective, as you can no longer challenge/force hook states.
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"Where's Haddie gone?"
whispers 'Ask Maurice'
limps away
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@Majin151 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3128011#Comment_3128011
As a basement bubba I'm prepared for having my guests stay in my room for hours heck I all I need to do is put on my Spotify on loop and I'm set lol
The ultimate Rift Shard grind
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@AVoiceOfReason said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3128365#Comment_3128365
So punish the team because the killer decides to camp? No thanks. I also said in the feedback that it SHOULD deactivate after the last gen is done so everyone has a fair shake so the game doesn't go on indefinitely.
Pretty sure there is only one person being punished in that scenario, as the killer also knows that the perk is in play and has no plans on leaving the hook.
Edit - I guess the survivor can also do some basement YouTube :P
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@AVoiceOfReason said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3127031#Comment_3127031
You can't participate in the match either way if you're being face camped by a Bubba. At least this way, you're helping your team get out instead of being a means' to an end.
You're dead in 2 minutes if he facecamps....normally.
With this, if he is facecamping you in the basement and intent on not moving (or AFK watching YouTube or w/e) until you're dead...You get no points and are stuck for 5+ min (gen time + travel time to proc + exit gates), then you die.
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@ShinobuSK said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3128196#Comment_3128196
Oh? Thats pretty smart. I would never thought I use selfcare but I may steal your build for a few games too
It's pretty fun....when it works >_>;;
@TheArbiter said:
I'd personally swap self-care for lucky break and just bring a yellow medkit with charges, waaaayyy faster and more effective
I like Lucky Break/QQ/Overcome/Inner Strength for a fun Zoomie build, but i get the value/ease of your suggestion.
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@humanbeing1704 said:
depending on the situations it's nice being able to heal right beside the killer
Yeah.
You can even hold it while the killer is patrolling to mute yourself (old Iron Will) if you don't want/need to heal.
Pretty useful.
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Basement Bubba Army is already making YouTube Playlists to stay entertained while keeping that guy on hook for 5-6 min.
I'm not even joking @_@
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@SgtMittens said:
I'm sorry you won't be able to insidious camp anymore.
You can still Insidious camp if this is used.
IE - You hook someone in the basement at the start of the game as Bubba or another 1 hitter.
People keep pausing the hook timer....you stay there.
Person on the hook can't leave the game (w/o DC) and has to stay on the hook for about 4-6 min (gens + travel time to proc). You watch YouTube.
Gens are done....they can either force trades in the basement without DS/OTR or leave the person to finally die.
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@PNgamer said:
So before I close my eyes and go into the land of dreams
https://twitter.com/i/status/1557090529040408576
Good night
*slugging intensifies*
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@Tsela said:
I seriously have no idea why Wesker has that huge terror radius. Sure we can use terror radius related perks then more often, but I just don't understand why he has 40m. For what reason or purpose?
Probably due to his dash's uses (particularly 2nd dash at loops).
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Given the reaction to the current patch and reading what some people are now saying in this topic, it certainly is.
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Been on a bit of a streak today, but haven't been pulling much weight due to 'Tomies.'
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This topic has become an amusing read, at least :)
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@IronKnight55 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3122328#Comment_3122328
We will complain until it gets fixed. Deal with it.
I don't think a total game mechanic overhaul is in the future, unfortunately.
Maybe Year 7 will be the year, though - Anything is possible.
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There is no way to remove camping/tunneling without removing killer agency.
You can hold onto hope for Year 7, but it might be time to realize that devs aren't going to force players to/prevent players from doing X.
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I guess I'll provide feedback in 2 patches...
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@Exxodus21 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3113133#Comment_3113133
Queue times have already settled down to about 2 min average for killer and instant for survivor. These are similar to what the queue times were pre-SBMM.
If they keep saying the same thing over and over, eventually it will be true!
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1554511877857763332
Here's an amusing stalky-boi dance video that may amuse some of you.
No relevance to anything.
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Must have said something really bad to get insta-perma-banned.
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@StarLost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3098290#Comment_3098290
You're taking a bit of time of gens, which will allow two people to be working on gens shortly rather than 1. I've been watching quite a lot of high level survivor play recently, trying to improve - and bodyblocking is absolutely essential.
And, yes, there is a lot of RNG in this game. Too many matches are lost at the selection screen. But that cuts both ways - if I play Scratched Mirror Myers and get sent to Eyrie against a halfway decent team, I'm dead.
Remember, the goal of this patch was to raise kill rates. People will be escaping less. That's intentional.
Lots of good players use BT/OTR to set up very niche (ie doorway/window) blocks that force a killer to swing, wait, or go around.
Most players aren't as efficient/coordinated, but I certainly notice the ones that are T_T
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@foodie said:
Why is everyone suddenly using windows of opportunity? Every match, there is at least 1 person that runs that perk. What am I missing, exactly?
I said it a long time ago, but it's one of the best perks in the game, especially as solo.
Even if you can't loop well, it provides enough info to run a killer for 1+ minutes at the game's start.
As the game progresses, it also provides optimal pathing info which leads to longer chases, especially if a bunch of pallets have been burnt.
It's ALWAYS on and has zero downsides.
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Needs more BBQ Threads
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Looking at some of the replies here really makes me wish most schools offered some sort of class on healthy/actual debate.
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https://youtu.be/Qp47JDxuZDU@ThiccBudhha said:
I am having the exact same experience. In conjunction with the throwing survivors, I can genuinely see why so many people are upset. Killers are playing more mean than ever, survivors are "chilling" more than ever. I joked about it before, but I am living Sluzzy's nightmare world. Every weird exaggeration they have ever made has been coming true on this patch. Lol.
@_@
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@SekiSeki said:
Share the list. I'm curious.
How's that list looking?
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Da Snek
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If you're solo and the last gen is about to pop while you're in chase....you may want to dump the killer on someone else if you can.
There's a lot of interesting/more intense decision making required to perform well in solo.
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Rough game - Deathslinger has always had weak gen pressure.
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@dictep said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3091085#Comment_3091085
Or perhaps you can stop camping and tunneling and mmr will place you with worse survivors
I am a huge fan of your sad and salty posts.
Keep up the good work!