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@Khalednazari said:
Raccoon said:They both take 2 hits to down immediately after unhooking and they're both an equal distance from the killer at the time of unhooking.
I get that. But where's the effort in camping or tunneling? The first hit is basically a free hit.
Yeah, it's always free, especially if they're in the middle/outer range of your terror radius and rocking DH/SB.
Makes sense ;3
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@Delfador said:
@Raccoon said:
Since the perk now uses DW, there's literally ZERO reason not to tunnel the person that was unhooked, as the amount of effort in downing the unhooker (if they're healthy) is literally the same, without the potential of the unhooked BT survivor going down for you to search for after you get the unhooker. Plus, they're up a hook state, which instantly makes switching a bad move now.
It also provides extra incentive to camp the BT user out of the game on the first hook, as you'll lose more than two minutes restarting a chase from scratch (thanks to the DW) over multiple unhooking instances.
I don't initiate a fight here but you make absolutely no sense.
In the first paragraph, you say that tunneling the hooked survivor is better because him and his rescuer takes the same amount of effort. Why would you tunnel the hooked person if not it is easier? If we are talking about hook states, it is the same before the change. Borrowed time change doesn't affect it.
After this you say that BT user should be camped. Then why on earth, have you tunneled the first person? Get the borrowed time user and camp him instead of tunneling the unhooked survivor.
It seems to me you are just salty and throwing
How am I going to know that someone is running Borrowed Time without hitting the unhooked survivor first?
Why would I go for the uninjured survivor if I don't have this information?
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I'll AFK Wraith him for free.
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@Khalednazari said:
How is going for an injured BT survivor is the same effort as going after a healthy unhooker? O.oThey both take 2 hits to down immediately after unhooking and they're both an equal distance from the killer at the time of unhooking.
TBH, the ideal counter-play would probably be to target the BT user (once you know), and just camp them out of the game.
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"While not in a chase, the Deep Wound timer will tick down – even while using the Mend action. As long as The Survivor continues to mend, the timer will not progress past 99% and will not go into the dying state."
They almost made a viable change, but then they remembered that the game can be pretty spooky without someone holding your hand
"Mend, Snap out of it, and Wake up, are no longer considered healing actions, and as such, will not be affected by perks that refer to healing."
...Then they went full Loco to stop all those crazy complaints filling up the board regarding these actions and their interactions with various perks ;3
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The 99% thing is hilarious.
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@Juicy_Juice said:
still trash 110% movement speed without ability to help catch survivors or down them quickly.devs clearly seem to not understand that the game is all about chases and cant balance the game
they wont get money from me this time, this killer still sucks
Turbo/Macro+AFK Wraith + ~30 hours = Free Garbage Killer
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I really wish they'd remove post game chat, as the main problem, Human Egos, are not patchable.
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The spooky and threatening place known as The Hook?
Oh, you mean The Vacation Station!
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I can only assume that there are some decent buffs en route.
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@JanTheMan said:
Raccoon said:@TheCatLady said:
What about us non-humans? Don't we get a say in this?
No.
But your name is Raccoon?
No ;3
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@TheCatLady said:
What about us non-humans? Don't we get a say in this?No.
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7000000/21000 = 333 games.
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Back to the Top!
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@Star99er said:
Borrowed Time is getting a nice buff to help against the killers who camp and tunnel. So hopefully this will encourage killers not to focus one person.The buff literally does the exact opposite.
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@Weederick said:
@Orion said:
@Weederick said:
If camping is fair, then genrush is fair.
I'd rather have none of those ez cheese strats be the strongest tools available. Playing a close, fun game is what dbd should become. Not "Camping is legit, just rush gens next time. Facecamp is counterable" yada yada its boringRead the thread to know why camping is fair and make your own thread if you wish to discuss something else.
I read your stupid arguments and its a very biased opinion. even if you do everything wrong as killer, you get bloodlust and down them. As if its hard and skillfull to down survivors nowadays.
Maybe another Bloodlust nerf will turn that frown upside down
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Does your EAC trigger on startup or when there's 15s left in the lobby?
No?
Play the game.
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If it's a constant occurrence, I believe ACM/MODS can whitelist you.
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I wouldn't be surprised if survivors get in-built Kindred 3 + Deliverance in the near future, with all the nerfs being afforded to "legitimate" playstyles.
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@RSB said:
@Barron said:
@Blueberry said:
@Barron said:
@DarkWo1f997 said:
Blueberry said:Sounds reasonable and makes sense to me. Survivors needs a reason to heal against him, otherwise they all just stay injured and make him look stupid.
I think making him a burst killer would be really fun and unique, but he feels like a gimmick right now and when the illusion of your power making a difference shatters, he just loses his appeal. He does basically nothing.
Yea, but would it be fun to play against. You realize people need to have fun to play a game and to continue to play it, right?
With the changes he sounds pretty fun to play against to me.
I read your posts. One of the most biased individuals on these forums. I most certainly don't respect your opinion or what you would consider "fun".
Says who? You?
The first defender of all biased survivors and imbalance in this game? Give me a break, if you think someone here takes you seriously, then it is just hilarious.
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Or Abigail, or Kolin, or Menat, or Guile, or G, or Balrog...Well_Placed_HexTotem said:
And yet there are always guns in every class of every shooter that are inferior to other guns. There are always characters in every fighting game that just aren’t as good or accessible as other characters.Raccoon said:No one complains about OP/ UP guns in shooters, and they never get reworked, nope. Never happens in any of the CoD/BF games.
Capcom also never listens to fan/pro feedback, balancing characters to try to make them all viable. Because of this, SFV is definitely not one of the best balanced SF games of all time. As a serious side note, most of the DLC chars in SFV are mid-top tier with several of them occupying the top spots.
Every genre you've listed has frequent balance patches when necessary, barring the game dying off.
The only thing worse than trying to justify things with blanket statements is being blatantly ignorant in the process.
And yeah, some of the SFV DLC is mid tier at best, just proves my point. And yet people will still use those characters.
Not every killer needs to be Akuma or Cammy.
And with all these dlc powerhouses in the game, how many 7-3 matchups are there?
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No one complains about OP/ UP guns in shooters, and they never get reworked, nope. Never happens in any of the CoD/BF games.
Capcom also never listens to fan/pro feedback, balancing characters to try to make them all viable. Because of this, SFV is definitely not one of the best balanced SF games of all time. As a serious side note, most of the DLC chars in SFV are mid-top tier with several of them occupying the top spots.
Every genre you've listed has frequent balance patches when necessary, barring the game dying off.
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I appreciate the replies!
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Survivor hits it while you have Enduring, runs into a decent loop, gets a freebie on a missed swing + cooldown, doesn't go for the pallet, doesn't go for the window, doesn't go for the exit directly in front of them to start to loop, and runs back towards you for no reason
If that's your typical DS experience, buy a lottery ticket.
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DS is never OP when the survivor hits it while you have Enduring, runs into a decent loop, gets a freebie on a missed swing + cooldown, doesn't go for the pallet, doesn't go for the window, doesn't go for the exit directly in front of them to start to loop, and runs back towards you for no reason.
I think we're 100% in agreeance in this scenario.
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I don't see any reason why not
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I enjoy it.friendlykillermain said:@Raccoon said:
I don't see the issue.No aura = Camp the survivor out of the game as it is about the same timewise as searching, winning a chase, and hooking another.
Fair change, imo.
yeah but camping isn't particularly enjoyable is it?
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I don't see the issue.
No aura = Camp the survivor out of the game as it is about the same timewise as searching, winning a chase, and hooking another.
Fair change, imo.
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Probably a better time than 2 weeks after release @_@
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You must really like seeing your topic at the top of the board.
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@thesuicidefox said:
The claws/PT don't actually increase your speed. What happens is that when you hit someone with sleep your speed is slowed by an amount. Claws reduce that amount, and PT removes it completely so that you move at your base speed when it hits a survivor.O_O
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I can't wait until Campfest goes live!
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Remember when Ono won that SFV tourney, or when Harada won that T7 tourney?
Weird that they're garbage at the games they've been spearheading for almost two decades.
Weird :O
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Wrong post.
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"Just go after the rescuer"
There's literally no reason to do this with the new BT, as you have to hit both the rescuer and the unhooked survivor 2x now.
If I'm forced to restart the chase, I'm obviously going for the person with fewer hooks left.
The incentive to disallow any unhooks/hard camp/tunnel is at an all time high
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How does Distortion interact with Freddy?
Is it one token each time he walks into his aura reading range?
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@ReneAensland said:
@Raccoon said:
Deep Wounds would be better, imo, if either:A ) The timer counted down during the mending process
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B ) As per Monto's suggestion, it required someone else to mend youThe second option plays into the killer's power/theme (grouping survivors), and provides a real drawback to the negative status effect, turning it from an inconvenience into a threat.
I like this.
turning it from an inconvenience into a threat.
^^^The Killer, in theory, is super fun, but the effect itself is not viable on an M1 killer with Hag's speed.
I've seen people say "just break Frenzy after the first hit."
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@Janick
The Killer itself is fine and well designed, imo (though that may just be the exhilarating thrill of vaulting pallets speaking, haha).The problem is that Deep Wounds is by far one of the least threatening status effects in the game.
If survivors couldn't just heal themselves out of Deep Wounds (need a medkit or ally), or the timer kept going during the actual mending process, The Legion would be able to apply the effect, break chase, and possibly have a chance of the survivor going down from the status effect.
Without add-ons, the effect itself is very non-threatening.
To add to this, you've replaced the threatening nature of Borrowed Time (already the meta rescue perk) with one of the weakest status effects in the game.
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Deep Wounds would be better, imo, if either:
A ) The timer counted down during the mending process
or
B ) As per Monto's suggestion, it required someone else to mend youThe second option plays into the killer's power/theme (grouping survivors), and provides a real drawback to the negative status effect, turning it from an inconvenience into a threat.
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I'm not understanding the context or purpose of this post.Vietfox said:
@RaccoonRaccoon said:
Just hit or grab them before they make a save...All 3 of them.Tsulan said:Cool, now endgame saves are guaranteed to succeed. Combine this with the short immunity featu... uhm I mean "bug" and killers can finally stand in a corner after all gens have been done.
Oh so you want to trade one hook for 3 hooks? Awesome.
Idk who said that but certainly wasn't me.
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All hits add tokens, friendo.Rebel_Raven said:
You are confirming at the time of this posting hits while feral add tokens, such as in Remember Me?purebalance said:@Raccoon said:
Oh, I've made sure that tunneling is no longer an option in my killer PTB games.I appreciate the suggestion and implicit acknowledgment that perks such as Dying Light and Remember Me have received a minor nerf as a result.
Remember me is buffed by this. If you tunnel your obsession with Remember me, you only get 4 stacks. Try again.
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If Deep Wounds were unique to The Legion, I think this patch would have been pretty balanced, even considering that lockers blocking auras makes it extremely easy to further mess with Freddy mains, haha.
I'd also personally prefer a different name than Deep Wounds, as they are by no means an ordeal to cleanse, unlike the name's implication. -
Just hit or grab them before they make a save...All 3 of them.Tsulan said:Cool, now endgame saves are guaranteed to succeed. Combine this with the short immunity featu... uhm I mean "bug" and killers can finally stand in a corner after all gens have been done.
Alternatively, you can just pick Leatherface/Billy, chainsaw camp people out of the game one by one, and ignore all the new changes
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Breaking News - The MK chapter has not dropped yet, and Goro is not a playable character.Vietfox said:7
@OrionOrion said:@Vietfox said:
Breaking news, not camping prevents BT from triggering.Breaking news, hookswarming triggers BT regardless of what the Killer does.
More breaking news, you already knew this and were being disingenuous.
Breaking news, hit the others or grab them while performing the rescue. -
Breaking News - *chainsaw noises as M2 is held near the hook*
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Oh no, sir, I've never been Rank 1.
Tell me more about Rank 1 lol.
Did I put my lol in the right place?
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I think I already established that, personally, I'll be circumventing the whole possibility of tunneling.Juya said:@Tzeentchling9 said:
CodyJia said:Don't tunnel. Problem solved.
Still have yet to see Survivors leave gens half finished to work on fresh ones.
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Remember Me also strongly encourages tunneling to avoid the obsession providing counter play.Orion said:Dying Light requires you to focus on making sure one Survivor dies ASAP. Remember Me requires hitting one Survivor multiple times.
In all honesty, though, I'd be very surprised to see this change go live, given the feedback, so I'm not too worried about it. -
Oh, I've made sure that tunneling is no longer an option in my killer PTB games.
I appreciate the suggestion and implicit acknowledgment that perks such as Dying Light and Remember Me have received a minor nerf as a result.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrbiyEa5Z1U