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I'm contractually obligated to say "Nea".
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@Wahara said:
@Orion said:
@Wahara said:
That's still unsafe to assume because emphasis can be placed on their immutable characteristics but they can also be given depth at the same time. Someone who is flamboyant isn't necessarily two dimensional. You can only really guess the motivations behind the creation of any particular character unless the creator outright says why they were included.I also don't see the connection. If I add in a woman to a TV show because I notice that the series has only male characters up to this point, and I observe social media to notice a large chunk of my viewer base asking for a female lead, why am I inherently less likely to consider things such as her acting skills or her ability to fit in the show?
I agree with you very much on the last part.
Someone whose entire character can be described as a stereotype is not the same thing as someone who has one or two stereotypical traits.
Because you're just looking for "actress". That's the first trait you're worried about, so you're less likely to care about the rest. It's not a conscious effort, mind you.
Okay. We're in agreement on one thing. Characters who are based purely on stereotypes are poorly written and unhealthy. Given your experience as someone who is queer, in your honest opinion, how likely do you think it is that a character who did carry one or two stereotypical traits but contained depth at the same, would be written off and condemned as a tokenization anyways? My guess is that likelihood is very, very high. This is part of the reason why I concede, at least in the abstract, that this is a thing that exists, but have great difficulty taking concern over its prevalence very seriously.
The bolded words are the links in your last bit that I would like you to justify. There's just something about this "for the sake of it" fear that is just plain off. Admittedly, I don't think I am doing the best right now at pin pointing it. I think the fear is grossly overstated to which I think I've made an adequate case for and I suspect it may be entirely unfounded, but don't quite know how to get that far yet. I'll need some time to think and revisit. There's a specific name for this fallacy.
Very low. I point out, as I did a while ago, to Jack Harkness, from the Torchwood TV series. He's "omnisexual" (doesn't even have a preferred species) and very promiscuous, but he's not seen as a token character. To be fair, though, he is the main character of the show.
It's a form of subconscious bias. When the characteristic you're interested in is X, every other characteristic becomes less relevant by comparison. It's not something you can control. Our brains are just wired that way.
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
a guy in america had something taken from him for no reason by the law and he asked for it back and they ignored him so he got ti back himself and got punished for getting his property backA guy in America lost a unique (yet worthless) coin due to a banking error. When he was told the police couldn't fix it, he decided to steal the entire collection and claim innocence because he only uses the one that's identical to the one he lost.
He hacked, he got banned, he deserved it. End of story.
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Yes. Get a better connection or stop playing online games when you know you can't.
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@RSB said:
All day everyday? I have 30/30 on survivor and 21/30 on killer lolim sorry that you are able to play this game almost all day and still get enough for them but for people like me who play by myself always get ignored when trying to get the nectar and end up dying when the killer finds me and i lost progress
It's been two days. If he has almost completed everything, then your claim that you need to play all day every day for the entire event is false, and the problem lies with you.
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@PolarBear said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@PolarBear said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
guys i really dont want to argue i just want to discuss who could be LGBTQ, why they could be, and have fun in another discussion. when people come into these discussions and say stuff like why does it matter or that its irrelevant to the game.
when you do this is saddens me because all i wanted to do was start another post about something i believe in why cant you just let me ask what i want and not campaign against it if you dont believe in it.
i want a confirmed LGBTQ character in this horror game that i have many hours into because i want to be able to relate to a character for real not just say oh this persons gay and i believe that.
so when i ask for them to confirm if in any characters lore, they believed they were LGBTQ so that i can personally relate to them for real, not just in my head its something thats reasonable.
if you dont want to talk about who you think is LGBTQ and try and find reasons why they are by looking in the current lore or coming up with lore yourself for if they were LGBTQ then leave
so, again if you dont agree with any of LGBTQ, you want to constantly go against anything any of us put, or just come up with reason after reason why this question i ask cant be added to the game's lore as a small part of it thats only one sentence long if that.
so, if you qualify as anything i said before then just go, leave, get out of this thread because no one needs you negativity in a thread thats asking for a small thing to be added that will not effect your quality of life unless you are a homophobe or transphobe or anything against LGBTQ and if you are then give good, solid reasons why its wrong to be LGBTQ (LGBTQ stands for everyone that is not strait just because there is not a letter there does not mean it is not represented) and if you can do that then go ahead and try.i am gay, i am also a Baptist Christian going to a Christian Baptist School who believes in God. so if your argument is that it is a sin against God then your argument is invalid because we are all sinners in Gods eyes and every sin is equal.
so, if your going to be negative then just go and let me and other people who want to participate in this thread participate peacefully.
(side note if your color blind and cant read this post tell me and i will post a different version that has no color)
You want to relate to a character by them being gay. How can I then relate to that character if I'm straight? If they can't implement the sexual orientation of a character in a meaningful way then why should they?
if your strait then your already accepted for your sexual orientation so you dont go what most LGBTQ+ people do
I can't understand your english, sorry.
He means that heterosexuals aren't discriminated against because of their sexual orientation. I think.
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Orion said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Orion said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
"However, I will point out, again, that whenever homosexuals say "LGBT", or some variation of it, they're only concerned with representation for the first two letters. You may ask yourself why this is relevant. Well, since you claim to be interested in representation for the sake of acceptance, look up bi-erasure."i said i was leaving but ######### dude i am gay, i have a transgender (MTF) sister, i also fight for all rights of all genders and sexual orientations i care about everyone who is LGBTQ+ and by saying we only care about the first two letters just means you dont know all the facts
You don't know all the facts either, sweetheart. Tell me, where in this thread was there a demand for a non-homosexual Survivor or even a non-homosexual character?
Every single thread I've seen asking for an LGBT character, be it for a TV series, a movie, a book, or a game, was always about a gay (usually male) character, and nothing more.let me post my original post
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
i asked this in the questions for the Q and A but it was one of the non-picked ones (i wonder why). like are any of the survivors in the game now LGBTQ and if not are you planning on there being any? any one have any ideas or seen things that sugest there is? i would say Nea is a lesbian but you never know cause she could be MTF (male to female trans) and Dwight could be Gay. Anyone think of people they want to be LGBTQ in this game's lore?what do you see maybe NEA IS A LESBIAN OR MTF and i do say dwight could be gay but i clearly stated ANY LGBTQ+ CHARACTER not just a gay male. and i said i only wanted like one or two LGBTQ+ characters implying all the rest would be strait.
And afterward, it (d)evolved into the main subject - gay characters. Because the rest of LGBT don't really matter.
no people like you guys who are against it did. because the rest of LGBTQ+ do matter and what you said is proof of why it does and it needs more recognition
Sweetie, don't give me that #########. I've been watching this crapfest for longer than you've been alive. Look up bi-erasure like I told you so you can get some idea of the way the rest of the LGBT crowd are treated by the LG's, which was the only reason I brought up that LGBT isn't just comprised of homosexuals.
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@Wahara said:
That's still unsafe to assume because emphasis can be placed on their immutable characteristics but they can also be given depth at the same time. Someone who is flamboyant isn't necessarily two dimensional. You can only really guess the motivations behind the creation of any particular character unless the creator outright says why they were included.I also don't see the connection. If I add in a woman to a TV show because I notice that the series has only male characters up to this point, and I observe social media to notice a large chunk of my viewer base asking for a female lead, why am I inherently less likely to consider things such as her acting skills or her ability to fit in the show?
I agree with you very much on the last part.
Someone whose entire character can be described as a stereotype is not the same thing as someone who has one or two stereotypical traits.
Because you're just looking for "actress". That's the first trait you're worried about, so you're less likely to care about the rest. It's not a conscious effort, mind you.
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Orion said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Orion said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
name good examples of movies with LGBTQ+ LEADS THAT ARENT LGBTQ based movies because their isnt alot from the USA thats in english.Wasn't there one that was literally nominated for an Oscar or something?
if there is name it other than Love, Simon since it is the first really good american LGBTQ+ movie that was in theatrers
Can't remember the name. I don't really care for those films, but I know there was one released very recently that got a lot of media attention.
yeah its called Love, Simon and its the first small step to adding another LGBTQ+ movie to the very small pool of them then campaired to the many strait ones
Found it. It's called Call Me By Your Name, released last year. Here's the link to Wikipedia's article on the awards it's won. Yes, it won so many awards that they had to make it its own article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accolades_received_by_Call_Me_by_Your_Name
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
hacking a cosmetic in the game files by changing the code in thier because the game reset and the devs didnt care enough to give him his Nea legacy skin back and in order to give him the one legacy skin he had to give himself all of them and he only used the Nea one. he constatly for a month tried to get help from the devs but they didnt listenA guy in some country robbed people because he didn't have money. He still committed a crime and went to jail.
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Orion said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
name good examples of movies with LGBTQ+ LEADS THAT ARENT LGBTQ based movies because their isnt alot from the USA thats in english.Wasn't there one that was literally nominated for an Oscar or something?
if there is name it other than Love, Simon since it is the first really good american LGBTQ+ movie that was in theatrers
Can't remember the name. I don't really care for those films, but I know there was one released very recently that got a lot of media attention.
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Orion said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
"However, I will point out, again, that whenever homosexuals say "LGBT", or some variation of it, they're only concerned with representation for the first two letters. You may ask yourself why this is relevant. Well, since you claim to be interested in representation for the sake of acceptance, look up bi-erasure."i said i was leaving but ######### dude i am gay, i have a transgender (MTF) sister, i also fight for all rights of all genders and sexual orientations i care about everyone who is LGBTQ+ and by saying we only care about the first two letters just means you dont know all the facts
You don't know all the facts either, sweetheart. Tell me, where in this thread was there a demand for a non-homosexual Survivor or even a non-homosexual character?
Every single thread I've seen asking for an LGBT character, be it for a TV series, a movie, a book, or a game, was always about a gay (usually male) character, and nothing more.let me post my original post
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
i asked this in the questions for the Q and A but it was one of the non-picked ones (i wonder why). like are any of the survivors in the game now LGBTQ and if not are you planning on there being any? any one have any ideas or seen things that sugest there is? i would say Nea is a lesbian but you never know cause she could be MTF (male to female trans) and Dwight could be Gay. Anyone think of people they want to be LGBTQ in this game's lore?what do you see maybe NEA IS A LESBIAN OR MTF and i do say dwight could be gay but i clearly stated ANY LGBTQ+ CHARACTER not just a gay male. and i said i only wanted like one or two LGBTQ+ characters implying all the rest would be strait.
And afterward, it (d)evolved into the main subject - gay characters. Because the rest of LGBT don't really matter.
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
"However, I will point out, again, that whenever homosexuals say "LGBT", or some variation of it, they're only concerned with representation for the first two letters. You may ask yourself why this is relevant. Well, since you claim to be interested in representation for the sake of acceptance, look up bi-erasure."i said i was leaving but ######### dude i am gay, i have a transgender (MTF) sister, i also fight for all rights of all genders and sexual orientations i care about everyone who is LGBTQ+ and by saying we only care about the first two letters just means you dont know all the facts
You don't know all the facts either, sweetheart. Tell me, where in this thread was there a demand for a non-homosexual Survivor or even a non-homosexual character?
Every single thread I've seen asking for an LGBT character, be it for a TV series, a movie, a book, or a game, was always about a gay (usually male) character, and nothing more. -
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
name good examples of movies with LGBTQ+ LEADS THAT ARENT LGBTQ based movies because their isnt alot from the USA thats in english.Wasn't there one that was literally nominated for an Oscar or something?
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@Wahara said:
I guess I'm still hung up on this "for the sake of it" line people keep bringing up. For one, how would you reasonably determine whether a character is added for the sake of it or not? By the looks of it, it seems like people are saying any minority character who happens to be poorly written ended up that way because they were created for the sake of it. Maybe, they're just a character who is a minority who happens to be poorly written.No one has said anything about forcing anything, either. Why is my side of the argument being characterized as forcing something, or demanding something, when in reality I am simply asking for something and articulating why I think it's logically consistent and a good idea.
You can determine if they were a character added for the sake of it by noting their character traits. If the emphasis is on their orientation, race, or sex, then they were added because of their orientation, race, or sex. See my examples of good films and bad films.
Often, characters who were added for the sake of having characters with certain traits will also be stereotypical. Homosexuals will be flamboyant, bisexuals will be promiscuous, and so on.Your idea (I think it was yours, correct me if I'm wrong) of having their orientation be a catalyst for whatever went wrong in their lives is good. That's something I think we can all accept, similarly to how we accept that Rin's family was ######### over by the way Japanese companies work.
Alternatively, having their orientation be presented as what it is - an irrelevant factoid - is also good. A casual reference to a same-sex partner, for example, as you also mentioned.However, I will point out, again, that whenever homosexuals say "LGBT", or some variation of it, they're only concerned with representation for the first two letters. You may ask yourself why this is relevant. Well, since you claim to be interested in representation for the sake of acceptance, look up bi-erasure.
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Killers already lose bloodlust when they break the pallet. Why should pallets be made even safer?
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@ToolboxMotley said:
IS that the point? Have the developers said that somewhere? Or is that just what people have decided to tell themselves in order to justify No Mither's awful effects?Yes, they did say that in one of their streams.
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3 upvotes and nobody complaining that this is OP or whatever? I can hardly believe it.
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@GrannyonAcid said:
So uh. Been playing a few games as killer since I woke up. 4 games in a row the survivors walk up to me. Won't run. Won't play the game. I keep farming with them because I don't feel pathetic enough to just hang them up and end the game. This is really really bad. How are other people handling this? Are you just killing them all or is every game just turning into a farm fest? I really don't want to farm. I just wanna play.If you don't want to farm, I recommend you avoid playing during events.
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How many of those are there? Can't you just go to another one?
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Why should someone who was banned for hacking be invited to join a program like this?
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@Crusher said:
@Orion said:
@DarkWo1f997 said:
The ‘Disco’ category looks interesting.It's Portuguese for both "Disk" and "Disc".
Whoah, i am a portuguese xD
I know. I speak Portuguese.
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@DarkWo1f997 said:
The ‘Disco’ category looks interesting.It's Portuguese for both "Disk" and "Disc".
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I was going to ask how you'd apply the same principle to bisexuality, asexuality, and trans. You know, the things that homosexuals often forget are also part of LGBT when they demand "LGBT" characters.
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@Mc_Harty said:
Having a gay character into a video game simply because they fill a checklist is what everyone is against.The fact you can't see the difference between pandering and respectful characters shows your desperation.
^This.
Good examples of movies with a female lead: Terminator 2, the first four Alien films, Gravity. Their characters were not created to fit a checklist; they were created with all the important details in mind (badassery, intelligence, vulnerability, etc.), while paying no attention to irrelevant ones (skin color, sex, orientation).
Bad example of a movie with a female lead: the Ghostbusters remake. The movie was made just to have an all-women remake of the original, with no concern for what made the original any good.Good examples of movies with a black lead: the Blade trilogy, Black Panther, Django (so I hear; haven't actually watched that one). In the first case, the situation is analogous to what I described above. In the other two cases, the race of the characters fits the situation - one film is set primarily in Africa, the other is about a slave in the USA.
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@Wahara said:
I'm not entirely sure where you intend on going with this differentiation between how one observes race versus how one observes sexuality. Something that is visually expressed, like race, is not inherently worse or "pushier" than something that's verbally expressed, i.e. "Sandra disappeared mysteriously one night after a late dinner with her girlfriend."In that way, sure, it's innocuous. Now let me ask you something: What is Sandra's sexual orientation?
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@Crusher said:
SOrry for repeating myself again, but its strange than its only at DBD this problem presist, will try to fragment it but rly douth its my side faulth, this bug happened once and they fixed in the next day btw.
It could very well be the game, but since none of us have any influence in the game, you might as well check your PC. If it's something in your PC, you can fix it yourself. If it's something in the game, all you can do is wait.
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1) Your point implies that the inclusion of sexuality is innately more "shoved down one's throat" than race or sex.
2) Duh? I'm not sure what point you were trying to make here. That's the whole point of comparison, you describe similarities between two things that are different. The similarities being that they are both immutable characteristics.
3) YES I AGREE THAT IS THE [BAD WORD] POINT YOU DENSE MOTHER [BAD WORD]. Neither is the mere existent of LGBTQ people. You're making me facepalm into a coma.
4) I can repeat the main argument, here. If no one gives a #########, then there's no reason not to include it.
5) You didn't understand the point. It is logically contradictory to argue a neutral stance and also a negative stance. You either don't care or you do care, not both.
6) Who said anything about forcing anyone to do anything? What the hell do you think I'm discussing? Marching into BHVR HQ with armed drag queens? Don't be ridiculous.
7) Heterosexuality is the naturally assumed default.- It is, because there's no way to show sexual orientation without showing romantic and/or sexual interactions between people. In media where these don't happen normally (like, say, a horror game), the developers would have to go out of their way to include scenes that explicitly state a character's orientation. Alternatively, and more commonly, they can appeal to stereotypes, which we could do without.
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@Wahara said:
"We don't know the sexuality of the characters so you can just pretend."It's like people are saying heterosexuality isn't naturally assumed to be the default or something. Weird.
I'd say that's your fault for not being able to project yourself onto a character without that character explicitly sharing your traits, but it's really because you don't seem to understand why the assumption comes naturally - because the majority of people are heterosexual. However, since it's not explicitly stated one way or the other, you're free to project whatever characters you want onto the character.
I assume some are heterosexual, some are homosexual, some are bisexual, and some are asexual, depending on my interpretation of their backstories. This is just as valid as assuming they're all heterosexual, or assuming they're all homosexual, or assuming they're all bisexual, and so on, because nothing has ever been explicitly said. -
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Orion said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Orion said:
@Wahara said:
@Orion said:
@Wahara said:
I want to be able to play as a gay character. Why the hell not?And you are playing as a gay character, as far as you know. Just because the devs haven't said they're LGBT doesn't mean they're not LGBT. I said it in my first comment in this thread: just assume they're whatever orientation you are and be done with it.
I understood what you said the first time, but you haven't articulated what threat the explicit inclusion of a sexual orientation would present to the game.
I have previously argued that it has the capability of adding depth and intrigue to characters, whereas you seem to be under the impression that it would do harm, or take away from the game some how. Okay, I'll bite, but you gotta give me something to work with.
I think it's irrelevant to the lore and the characters, the same way it's irrelevant in real life unless you want to know if you can date and/or have sex with someone. I also think it's usually done as a token inclusion, and those always suck.
so when the men said women didnt need the right to vote did they just say yeah its irrelvant yes they did until they fought for it. when african americans wanted freedom from being slaves did they just sit down, no they fought and got thier freedom in the civil war. so if there was no black person in this game it would be weird right? yes it would. if there was no women in this game it would be weird right? yes. my arguement is that they should add a LGBTQ+ character not to check off a list but because people are requesting it.
In this thread, there are more people against it than there are for it, and a large portion of the ones against it are LGBT themselves. Stop trying to frame your position as the morally correct one or even the popular one, because it's simply not true. Having LGBT characters in a game isn't going to help LGBT teenagers who become homeless due to their homophobic parents kicking them out. It's not going to help the high suicide rate due to bullying. It's not going to change anything.
"a large portion" where i see a few but most have just said stuff about the subject not about thier sexuality i said i am gay and another said they were gay but other than that there arent any other claims.
Like DocOctober pointed out, 15 people disagreed with you. Of those 15, 3 (20%) are LGBT themselves. I'd say one fifth is a large portion.
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@pam said:
Look u Molester if u can't give a helpful answer please don't reply. Thanks and have a bas dayJust because he didn't agree with you doesn't mean his answer isn't helpful.
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Camping is punishable as long as you don't engage the Killer.
Going for the easier target (what you call "tunneling") is just common sense. Would you work on a generator until it's at 33% and then go find one that's at 0%? No, you would not. -
@Slaymore said:
Morf_UK just DC'd because the killer wanted him to farm - where is his ban? Will they ban a popular streamer? or ignore it because he basically advertises the game.Vinc3ntVega DC's and there is a DBD employee as a moderator in his stream - conflict of interest much? Both Vince and that employee should get bans.
Let's see those bans Devs - fair is fair.
Sure. Their DCs just have to be in the required percentage.
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@Crusher said:
The moment that i unistaled and delete the files and reinstaled it should had fix the problem if it was damage before i unistal.That's not how it works, at all. If your disk is damaged, it's damaged, period. If it's fragmented, same thing.
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@Crusher said:
@Orion said:
I recommend defragging the disk and/or running chkdsk. It looks like DbD is having problems loading the files. Could be a damaged sector or just a fragmented disk. It seems unlikely that an update like this would fundamentally change the way the game reads information from the disk.Just did stuff to try fix it, none works, look up at thread.
I did, and you didn't say you'd tried defragging or checked the integrity of the disk.
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I recommend defragging the disk and/or running chkdsk. It looks like DbD is having problems loading the files. Could be a damaged sector or just a fragmented disk. It seems unlikely that an update like this would fundamentally change the way the game reads information from the disk.
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The disk itself might be failing. How old is it?
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A dev commented in my thread - twice. I can die happy.
Yes, I'm a dev fanboy. Sue me.
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@Wolf74 said:
@Orion said:
@MhhBurgers said:
Thana is 14% IF everybody is injured which increases gentime by literally just 8 seconds.
13 seconds, actually. Goes from 80 to 93 (80/(1-0.14)).
14% speed reduction is not the same as a 14% time increase.That is +13 seconds IF(!!!) ALL survivor are injured and actually stay injured for the whole time.
Yes, which was the scenario he came up with.
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@Killigma said:
@Khalednazari said:
Seems like I need to create more math questions for Dead By Daylight now.Maths with Orion, every Friday at 11:00am GMT
Orion has classes. I'm only at home today because I woke up wanting to throw up.
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@powerbats said:
I was in the match with him and what he was doing was charging up treatment mode and hitting you with punishment at the exact same time. There was absolutely no transition time and when i questioned him on it post game he said he was switching during charge up to punishment.The only way to do that is with a macro or program similar to the one that got people banned for flashlight clicking if i remember right. He was literally charging and smacking a the exact same time as the shock therapy charge went off.
I've got video of him but not during that time frame and he also somehow was managing to hit people way out of range similar to a lag switch attack.
Could also be a bug where one interaction doesn't stop the other, and he was exploiting it.
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@Khalednazari said:
Seems like I need to create more math questions for Dead By Daylight now.No, you don't.
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@Killigma said:
Where were you while I was studying Physics at high school Orion!Probably learning physics myself.
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@MhhBurgers said:
@benzos said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@benzos said:
@powerbats said:
@benzos said:
@powerbats said:
Silence filthy heathen, that combo is stupidly op more than a 5 blink nurse.
Speaking of which I might stop saving for Rin's very rare outfit and finally get him just for the farming there.
try it with thana too.
The worst ones are the Distressing/Coultrophobia/Thanatobia then either add in whispers for the stealth or just BBQ. Throw in extended terror radius addons and walk back and forth down the middle and profit.
have you timed the heals? Those games aren't even worth it to me. lucky i haven't run across too many.
Just do the damn gens instead of healing up. Distressing+Colourophobia means you healing outside of the TR on the game is basically a ruin on steroids.
i know about doing gens instead of healing but if your team is all injured, they got thana, colorophobia, distressing, sloppy on the game map, its crazy. I want to know how long it takes.
Thana is 14% IF everybody is injured which increases gentime by literally just 8 seconds.
13 seconds, actually. Goes from 80 to 93 (80/(1-0.14)).
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I was about to make a thread saying the same thing. Thank god I can be lazy instead and just click "Awesome".
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@missW said:
It seems to be right, and no one believes in a foreigner’s remarks.
If you have Chinese friends, you can take a look at our forum.
Is it as I said, many people are innocently banned?
I just to illustrate the fact that the new team is how to catch up with work efficiency, indiscriminate ban, not to look for ridiculeIt's not about you being Chinese. I have never heard of an unjust ban in Dead by Daylight. When pressed, people always admit that they did things they shouldn't have, and those things are what got them banned. If you read other threads about supposedly unjust bans, nobody believes those people either, no matter their nationality.
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Orion said:
@Wahara said:
@Orion said:
@Wahara said:
I want to be able to play as a gay character. Why the hell not?And you are playing as a gay character, as far as you know. Just because the devs haven't said they're LGBT doesn't mean they're not LGBT. I said it in my first comment in this thread: just assume they're whatever orientation you are and be done with it.
I understood what you said the first time, but you haven't articulated what threat the explicit inclusion of a sexual orientation would present to the game.
I have previously argued that it has the capability of adding depth and intrigue to characters, whereas you seem to be under the impression that it would do harm, or take away from the game some how. Okay, I'll bite, but you gotta give me something to work with.
I think it's irrelevant to the lore and the characters, the same way it's irrelevant in real life unless you want to know if you can date and/or have sex with someone. I also think it's usually done as a token inclusion, and those always suck.
so when the men said women didnt need the right to vote did they just say yeah its irrelvant yes they did until they fought for it. when african americans wanted freedom from being slaves did they just sit down, no they fought and got thier freedom in the civil war. so if there was no black person in this game it would be weird right? yes it would. if there was no women in this game it would be weird right? yes. my arguement is that they should add a LGBTQ+ character not to check off a list but because people are requesting it.
In this thread, there are more people against it than there are for it, and a large portion of the ones against it are LGBT themselves. Stop trying to frame your position as the morally correct one or even the popular one, because it's simply not true. Having LGBT characters in a game isn't going to help LGBT teenagers who become homeless due to their homophobic parents kicking them out. It's not going to help the high suicide rate due to bullying. It's not going to change anything.
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Farm.
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@alivebydeadight said:
@tehshadowman33 said:
Does that mean devs can now remove the various light versions from each of the older maps?That would reduce the game's filesize.
@Orion so this would make the game much easier to play and lobbys could load faster, this is smart
I didn't say that. I don't know which specific parts of the game would be affected by this, I just know that there would be an overall increase in performance.
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@Wahara said:
I feel like people have begun to stop seriously engaging with me. The goal posts have been moved all over the damn place. First, I went up against the idea that the request for LGBTQ characters implies an irrational fixation with gender or unnecessary identity politics. Then, I go up against the idea that it "doesn't matter" Then, I go up against the notion a character's identity cannot inform their lore. Now, the argument is but it's too likely to end up portrayed in a damaging manner so we shouldn't try.Nah. I ain't play'n this game of whack-a-mole. You dears have fun.
The goal post hasn't been moved. There are simply many arguments against adding characters with specific traits.