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I just realized the forum is not eating my comments. You're marking them as answers, so they go to the top.
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@Wahara said:
It would only be irrelevant if you wrote it as irrelevant. The example I wrote for you very clearly interweaves the character's sexuality with his back story and what he became.The notion that a person's immutable characteristics don't influence their personal development and life experiences is silly. To say it's innately irrelevant? I'm sorry for taking off the kid gloves here a bit but that's just ignorant.
Further, "tokenization" is kind of an irrational boogeyman and the complaints I see from others about it are nearly always unfounded. If a character who is a minority is poorly written, that is a completely unrelated issue from their identity. They're simply poorly written, and that's it. Nothing about their identity would make them innately more difficult to flesh out.
What I think you mean to say is that you don't want characters which rely on stereotypes. Which I agree, that's harmful, happens often, and hurts more than it helps. However, characters can be both stereotypical and layered at the same time, they're not mutually exclusive things. It is also somewhat defeatist to give up on media representation of other groups of people out of fear it may be done wrong.
Let me rephrase: it's irrelevant to the current characters' lore.
Tokenization is a real phenomenon wherein a character is created to fill an imagined quota and ends up being a bunch of stereotypes cobbled together because the focus of the character is on their sexuality/religion/race.
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@Khalednazari said:
@Orion can you also share how reached the calculation?16/((1 - 0.50)(1 - 0.50)(1 - 0.20)(1 - 0.12)(1 - 0.25))
The second 0.5 is because of Self Care.
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@Wahara said:
I mean, it's not an insurmountable task to write LGBTQ characters with depth.
Of course not. Just write a character with depth and tack on the LGBT thing afterward. However, you and I both know that's not how things are done.
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@Wahara said:
@Orion said:
@Wahara said:
I want to be able to play as a gay character. Why the hell not?And you are playing as a gay character, as far as you know. Just because the devs haven't said they're LGBT doesn't mean they're not LGBT. I said it in my first comment in this thread: just assume they're whatever orientation you are and be done with it.
I understood what you said the first time, but you haven't articulated what threat the explicit inclusion of a sexual orientation would present to the game.
I have previously argued that it has the capability of adding depth and intrigue to characters, whereas you seem to be under the impression that it would do harm, or take away from the game some how. Okay, I'll bite, but you gotta give me something to work with.
I think it's irrelevant to the lore and the characters, the same way it's irrelevant in real life unless you want to know if you can date and/or have sex with someone. I also think it's usually done as a token inclusion, and those always suck.
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I ######### up the calculations. If they were multiplicative, it's about 2 minutes and 1 second total.
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@Khalednazari said:
What's the calculation with Sloppy Butcher?With Sloppy Butcher and everything else, it's 1 minute, like I said.
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@DeadByFlashlight said:
priorities
Smaller things are easier to load. Just saying.
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It's possible some perks apply additively and others don't, which would make this virtually impossible to determine without a KYF group with the patience of a saint.
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@TheDarkLycan said:
@Orion said:
2 minutes and 3 seconds (123 seconds), give or take, if it's done additively (adding all percentages and using that number as the debuff) with all perks thrown into the mix simultaneously.
54 seconds, give or take, if it's done multiplicatively (multiplying all the reciprocal percentages and using that as the debuff) with all perks thrown into the mix simultaneously.EDIT: I saw you added Sloppy Butcher after I did the math. Give me a minute.
it would make since if it is additive since caulrophobia itself is 50% of base heal time and with self care it would already take over 45 seconds so a total of around 54 seconds would be too low to make any sense
Heal speed is not the same thing as heal time. Sloppy Butcher reduces healing speed by 20%, but it increases the healing time by 25% (4 seconds out of 16 seconds). To make it additive, you'd get a 107% healing speed decrease, meaning your speed would go below zero.
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2 minutes and 3 seconds (123 seconds), give or take, if it's done additively (adding all percentages and using that number as the debuff) with all perks thrown into the mix simultaneously.
54 seconds, give or take, if it's done multiplicatively (multiplying all the reciprocal percentages and using that as the debuff) with all perks thrown into the mix simultaneously.EDIT: I saw you added Sloppy Butcher after I did the math. Give me a minute.
The speed is not being calculated additively. Using the scenario you describe, the healing speed would be negative if that were the case. Thus, the percentages must be multiplicative. With that in mind, it would take about 1 minute to heal.
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@Khalednazari said:
So you mean, these perk description doesn't contain all the info needed to calculate it?If only one perk is being applied, then they do. However, if more than one is being applied, you also need information on how the game handles overlapping interactions, which is not expressed in the perks.
Look, do you want the math or not? If so, give me the percentages and base heal time. If not, I'm going to eat something.
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@Khalednazari said:
The calculations from the perk percentages do not match the actual result ingame.Then the calculations being done do not match how the game actually makes them.
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@Khalednazari said:
It's not a joke thread. Atleast for me.It was worded like that, but whatever.
Post the percentages of each perk involved and the base healing time and I'll do the math, but I'm too lazy to look up all the info for myself. -
@Wahara said:
I want to be able to play as a gay character. Why the hell not?And you are playing as a gay character, as far as you know. Just because the devs haven't said they're LGBT doesn't mean they're not LGBT. I said it in my first comment in this thread: just assume they're whatever orientation you are and be done with it.
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@Dreamnomad said:
@Orion said:
@Dreamnomad said:
My vision gets all blurry, now it's harder to communicate with my team what the killer is doing!You shouldn't be able to communicate with your team in the first place, but that doesn't fit into your argument, does it?
I'm perfectly happy to de-rail this thread talking about voice communication if you want to.
No, that's fine, keep making arguments based on false premises.
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@Dreamnomad said:
My vision gets all blurry, now it's harder to communicate with my team what the killer is doing!You shouldn't be able to communicate with your team in the first place, but that doesn't fit into your argument, does it?
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I'd do the calculations in the way I assume they work, but since this seems like a joke thread...
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@alivebydeadight said:
@Orion said:
If you read the wiki properly, you'll see it only says that the entries might be from Benedict's journal.wrong it says that this is from benedicts
Now it does, because it was confirmed by the devs. However, when you made this thread, it didn't. When you made the thread, it said "Potentially Benedict Baker".
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@MegaWaffle said:
@Dwight_Fairfield said:
We Dwights are a peaceful bunch. Except the bald ones. They are not true Dwights because they look nothing like us.Jumps in a locker
But I play bald Dwight because I"M BALD!
The truth has come out!
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So how do you counter it? Please, share your wisdom.
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@Nick said:
Know when to stop a chase.And then the next Survivor will use the same spot. Why should there be a situation where the Survivor can force the Killer to give up?
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Orion said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Orion said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Orion said:
@SoylentPixie said:
I really don't understand this need to have something like this defined i really don't, and before we go any further, yes i am a bisexual female, so i don't consider my view to be biased in any way shape or form. The LGBTQ society have been pushing for acceptance for a long time, its slowly been happening and gained great momentum over the years which is awesome. But guess what, with acceptance eventually comes the mundane, the normal. Aside from the hardcore objectors that scream 'Nope!' it's become a normal enough part of society that nobody cares if you are gay, bi, trans and so on.Personally i think that is a way healthier state of mind than applying some stigma to it. As for asking for 'someone' in this games roster to be labelled as LGBTQ, i just don't agree, it is not an important piece of information and it certainly has no bearing on the game itself, especially when the characters are pretty much interchangeable with everybody being able to learn everyone else's perks.
Lastly, and I'm going to try and say this as nicely as possible because i try to be a decent person and i do not know you enough to dislike you.....You are not a mod, you do not get to decide who is and isn't allowed to reply to a post you put up on a public forum. Anybody who puts up a post in any forum has to understand that in doing so, there are going to be opposing opinions. You are asking about a subject that many people have differing views on, and people are allowed to have those views as much as you are allowed yours.
Disagreeing with you is not derailing the thread or bullying you, and if you feel that way, the simplest reaction is to flag the post that offends you, just be aware flagging is not a guarantee that the post will be removed. Being the author of a thread does not give you the right to moderate it beyond requesting it be closed if you think it has gone too far awry. A mod will decide what is and is not appropriate here, not you.
Like our orientation, our opinions are perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
we all should have opinions i agree but when you say someones opinion is wrong and everything they say is wrong then you shouldnt deserve the right to express an opinion
Nobody in this thread has said anything of the sort, so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.
well what do you think people do when they say im wrong and they shouldnt add a LGBTQ+ survivor with no facts or anything to back it and thats fine but when you constantly reply to someone about it then thats what i mean because there are a few examples of this in the thread
I know they just say you're wrong about this particular subject, because that's literally what they've been typing. You're imagining you're reading people saying you're wrong about everything ever instead of reading what's actually being said.
they are still saying im wrong on the subject what is the difference?
The difference is they're not saying the things you're imagining they are saying. If you were to actually read what is being said and reply only to the things that were said, you'd see that too.
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Orion said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Orion said:
@SoylentPixie said:
I really don't understand this need to have something like this defined i really don't, and before we go any further, yes i am a bisexual female, so i don't consider my view to be biased in any way shape or form. The LGBTQ society have been pushing for acceptance for a long time, its slowly been happening and gained great momentum over the years which is awesome. But guess what, with acceptance eventually comes the mundane, the normal. Aside from the hardcore objectors that scream 'Nope!' it's become a normal enough part of society that nobody cares if you are gay, bi, trans and so on.Personally i think that is a way healthier state of mind than applying some stigma to it. As for asking for 'someone' in this games roster to be labelled as LGBTQ, i just don't agree, it is not an important piece of information and it certainly has no bearing on the game itself, especially when the characters are pretty much interchangeable with everybody being able to learn everyone else's perks.
Lastly, and I'm going to try and say this as nicely as possible because i try to be a decent person and i do not know you enough to dislike you.....You are not a mod, you do not get to decide who is and isn't allowed to reply to a post you put up on a public forum. Anybody who puts up a post in any forum has to understand that in doing so, there are going to be opposing opinions. You are asking about a subject that many people have differing views on, and people are allowed to have those views as much as you are allowed yours.
Disagreeing with you is not derailing the thread or bullying you, and if you feel that way, the simplest reaction is to flag the post that offends you, just be aware flagging is not a guarantee that the post will be removed. Being the author of a thread does not give you the right to moderate it beyond requesting it be closed if you think it has gone too far awry. A mod will decide what is and is not appropriate here, not you.
Like our orientation, our opinions are perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
we all should have opinions i agree but when you say someones opinion is wrong and everything they say is wrong then you shouldnt deserve the right to express an opinion
Nobody in this thread has said anything of the sort, so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.
well what do you think people do when they say im wrong and they shouldnt add a LGBTQ+ survivor with no facts or anything to back it and thats fine but when you constantly reply to someone about it then thats what i mean because there are a few examples of this in the thread
I know they just say you're wrong about this particular subject, because that's literally what they've been typing. You're imagining you're reading people saying you're wrong about everything ever instead of reading what's actually being said.
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Orion said:
@SoylentPixie said:
I really don't understand this need to have something like this defined i really don't, and before we go any further, yes i am a bisexual female, so i don't consider my view to be biased in any way shape or form. The LGBTQ society have been pushing for acceptance for a long time, its slowly been happening and gained great momentum over the years which is awesome. But guess what, with acceptance eventually comes the mundane, the normal. Aside from the hardcore objectors that scream 'Nope!' it's become a normal enough part of society that nobody cares if you are gay, bi, trans and so on.Personally i think that is a way healthier state of mind than applying some stigma to it. As for asking for 'someone' in this games roster to be labelled as LGBTQ, i just don't agree, it is not an important piece of information and it certainly has no bearing on the game itself, especially when the characters are pretty much interchangeable with everybody being able to learn everyone else's perks.
Lastly, and I'm going to try and say this as nicely as possible because i try to be a decent person and i do not know you enough to dislike you.....You are not a mod, you do not get to decide who is and isn't allowed to reply to a post you put up on a public forum. Anybody who puts up a post in any forum has to understand that in doing so, there are going to be opposing opinions. You are asking about a subject that many people have differing views on, and people are allowed to have those views as much as you are allowed yours.
Disagreeing with you is not derailing the thread or bullying you, and if you feel that way, the simplest reaction is to flag the post that offends you, just be aware flagging is not a guarantee that the post will be removed. Being the author of a thread does not give you the right to moderate it beyond requesting it be closed if you think it has gone too far awry. A mod will decide what is and is not appropriate here, not you.
Like our orientation, our opinions are perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
we all should have opinions i agree but when you say someones opinion is wrong and everything they say is wrong then you shouldnt deserve the right to express an opinion
Nobody in this thread has said anything of the sort, so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.
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Going after the weaker target is just playing efficiently. When's the last time you went for the generator that was at 0% after passing one at 50%? That's right, never.
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@Mediva said:
Its allowed for killers to stand still and take the game hostage too. they stand still so you cant get the survivor off the hook, or you die for it. To me thats the same.The Survivor will die, eventually. That's not holding the game hostage. You don't need to rescue that Survivor for the game to end.
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@Fishcat said:
Hook rescues can be little tricky too as it seems all the killers are camping the hooks non stopThat's time you can spend fixing generators without a care in the world. Then you survive and get 5000 BP.
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@MandyTalk said:
Ban for Flag Spamming - I'm down for that
Yeah I know it's a headache, but believe me the spam filter does catch the majority of it - for example this morning there were 4 pages of it in the filter, compared to how many were on the forums. If we tighten up the filter, then people's posts are held in the spam filter until approved which is annoying for people.
There are areas on the forum that need to be improved I totally agree, and we are looking at ways to implement some different things and hopefully make things better.
Can't the spam filter work off a regex? These spam threads have all followed the same basic pattern.
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@ipochet said:
i play even better when i'm wasted tbh... but what i mentioned about the maps...Asylum is one of the maps that definetely need a changeThat's a different discussion altogether.
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@Fishcat said:
Yeah I know what your saying but I still want my bloodpointsThen either play sober or do the stuff I mentioned.
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@Fishcat said:
Im trying my best believe me I might be a bit slow tho as im wasted often when I playI mean, you can't really complain about losing if you're "wasted", as you put it.
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@ipochet said:
almost forgot to say, they patched alot but didn't patch when u end a game, to join back because it keeps saying failed to join.... thats just trashIf you read the thread about it, they're having trouble reproducing the bug on their end, so it's not clear what's causing the problem.
@Fishcat said:
Not true some killers can be really good and some survivors may just be average like me not evyrone playing this game can be as good as you its not that simpleThat's why we improve ourselves.
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Whispers is a whole different can of worms, and I don't know how console gameplay works.
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@Jonathanskilz said:
@Orion said:
No, it doesn't. The problem with the possibility for endless heals is that there's no penalty for injuries. Maybe a Broken status effect that lasted longer the more times you were injured would make hits relevant.
are you a killer main btw or surv ? see you on forum alot
I play both, despite what some people may think and/or say.
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I was on that bandwagon for a while, but then I realized it'd just make healing itself a risk in the long run, and we don't want that. The way I said makes getting injured a risk in the long run, which we do want.
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No, it doesn't. The problem with the possibility for endless heals is that there's no penalty for injuries. Maybe a Broken status effect that lasted longer the more times you were injured would make hits relevant.
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I don't even take Self-Care. I'm just explaining why some people might have a problem with it.
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@ipochet said:
this game got one-sided, i can't take this anymore, when u get tunneled, it's already over because you can't hide or run to a freakin pallet because there are like 3 pallets in the whole map ....The minimum, guaranteed number of pallets in every map is between 15 and 20. You can hide if you know what you're doing, so I think we've found the problem.
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@yeet said:
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@Fishcat said:
Ive tried that too I suck and been having rrally bad teams lately maybe it gets better yesterday was able to escape plenty maybe its just one of those days I hopeBreak totems, break hooks, search chests, fix generators, rescue people off hooks, use maps, use offerings... Plenty of things can get you BP, but you do have to survive to get the biggest BP bonus. I recommend you learn how to play stealthily so that you won't be reliant on your team.
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@Chi said:
I don't run self-care anymore, if that is what you are implying? It takes a ######### ton of time to heal others and be healed.
I wasn't implying anything, I was asking because I haven't had time to play DbD since the patch. See the question mark at the end of that sentence?
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@Chi said:
My main issue with the changes is that the healing changes made the game a lot more boring. With sloppy butcher and coulrophobia, I just want to [BAD WORD] dieHow long does it take if you find another Survivor to heal you?
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Just break the hooks.
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@Rex_Huin said:
Losing being fun – isnt this all a bit millennial / happy clappy?Back in my day you spat the dirt out of your mouth and tried again...
Back in your day, you lobbied for participation trophies because you couldn't handle the fact that your children were not the best or even special.
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@SoylentPixie said:
I really don't understand this need to have something like this defined i really don't, and before we go any further, yes i am a bisexual female, so i don't consider my view to be biased in any way shape or form. The LGBTQ society have been pushing for acceptance for a long time, its slowly been happening and gained great momentum over the years which is awesome. But guess what, with acceptance eventually comes the mundane, the normal. Aside from the hardcore objectors that scream 'Nope!' it's become a normal enough part of society that nobody cares if you are gay, bi, trans and so on.Personally i think that is a way healthier state of mind than applying some stigma to it. As for asking for 'someone' in this games roster to be labelled as LGBTQ, i just don't agree, it is not an important piece of information and it certainly has no bearing on the game itself, especially when the characters are pretty much interchangeable with everybody being able to learn everyone else's perks.
Lastly, and I'm going to try and say this as nicely as possible because i try to be a decent person and i do not know you enough to dislike you.....You are not a mod, you do not get to decide who is and isn't allowed to reply to a post you put up on a public forum. Anybody who puts up a post in any forum has to understand that in doing so, there are going to be opposing opinions. You are asking about a subject that many people have differing views on, and people are allowed to have those views as much as you are allowed yours.
Disagreeing with you is not derailing the thread or bullying you, and if you feel that way, the simplest reaction is to flag the post that offends you, just be aware flagging is not a guarantee that the post will be removed. Being the author of a thread does not give you the right to moderate it beyond requesting it be closed if you think it has gone too far awry. A mod will decide what is and is not appropriate here, not you.
Like our orientation, our opinions are perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
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@CoolAKn said:
@DocOctober If they do decide to add a character of a varying sexuality, I would much rather them be a fitting addition, rather than a token addition. So, if you haven't already, you can add me to the people that are against adding one for the sake of having one.I take my example from the show Buffy the Vampire Slayer to compare the introduction of 2 characters, both female lovers of Willow, one of Buffy's friends. The first was Tara. She was casually introduced into the show, and she slowly became a big part of it. She fit well with the dynamics of the show (sadly, she was killed off). Compared to the second, Kennedy. She just seemed like the show "had" to replace Tara quickly, and her introduction felt forced. Quite frankly, she was rather annoying, and somewhat brought the quality of the show down when she became part of it. The ending was enjoyable, but I think it would have been better without her.
I would much rather have DBD have a Tara-like introduction as opposed to a Kennedy-like introduction.
This is something I (and non-homophobes) can get behind. Like Ellen Ripley in Alien and Sarah Connor in Terminator, characters who aren't straight white men are good when they're good characters created in a vacuum (without concern for those irrelevant details) who also happen to be women or LGBT or black or whatever.
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@xmenfanatic said:
@DocOctober said:
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@MichaelAMyers said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@MichaelAMyers said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@MichaelAMyers said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
i didnt say you had to leave i said you should since there is no reason for you to be here except to constantly tell me im wrong for wanting this so again why are you here whats the reason other than to bother me? just go away please.
- I do have a reason for being here and that's posting
- I never said you were wrong
- No one is bothering you and you playing the victim card because no one agrees with you? how old are you? 12? Like listen man I stated my opinion and clearly the majority agrees with me and even a user who is gay agreed they don't care.
a reason for being here is not to just post it states in the rules of the fourm you are not aloud to de-rail the post which you are by not even participating in the question i asked, also yes you said we shouldnt add a LGBTQ character since it isnt necessary. and yes you are bothering me and i am not playing the victim card since multiple people on here agreed with me and want this, i am 17, you can state your opinion all you want but you dont need to contantly post on this thread because of the sake of posting and the majority is not just agreeing with you its about 50/50 and not everyone has posted here. just because one gay person agreed with not adding this its probably because they dont like labels and i understand that but if your like me you take the label Gay and you make it you, it enpowers you and you say it with pride. if you dont say that your gay because you dont like labels then you probably arent sure that your gay or you went threw some kind of trauma that caused you not to want to label yourself. so again for like the 4th time just go, there is no reason for you to be here if your not going to participate in the thread and basically say no im not when i say you are. i say your bothering me and you sau no your not. i say you have no reason for posting here and you say your reason is to post. I say you stated that this is wrong and you say no you didnt.
You are the only one derailing it and I don't care for the rest of the things you said here now like I said no one really cares for a trivial concept such as "sexuality" for characters in such a video game if you care so much write a fanfic or something because I said "it doesn't really matter."
then if you dont care about it go away from my post theirs no reason for you to de-rail it any longer. and yes multiple people care about the concept of sexuality for characters in video games. look again i say he is de-railing it and he provides on proof and says i am. also i say there are people who care about a LGBTQ+ character being added and he says no one does. see guys? this is the exact definition of a internet troll. and i will just be igrnoring his posts for now on until they add the block feature to the fourms
YOU ARE THE ONE DERAILING IT! Stop quoting me back here! I'm not even trolling you just butthurt because everyone isn't agreeing with your "I need to force my sexuality to feel empowered!" Concept and yes block me! Jeeez for a 17 yr old you act like a 5 yr old.
this poster has plenty of people supporting their desire to talk about queer characters being in the game.
Since I knew that that statement is bullshit, I had a look at every single comment in this thread again and noted down if the people who posted them were pro OP, contra OP or either undecided or had an "off-topic" comment.
Excluding OP, there are only 4 people so far who support OP's request for an LGBTQ character to be added to the game.
9 people were undecided or didn't contribute to that question.
But a big fat majority of 15 people are against adding an LGBTQ character for the sake of having one. That's almost 4 times as many as are for adding one. Of at least 3 of those people, I know that they are gay or bisexual themselves.
Stop talking crap and don't call 4 people "plenty".
There is a big queer community that enjoys dead by daylight, just because they didn’t all postndoesnt mean there aren’t people whom
Read these threads and play the game. There are plenty who support this.You claim that many people support this, but the actual, verifiable evidence shows that almost four times as many people oppose this. Your imagined support just isn't coming through in real support.
PS: Just because they're queer doesn't mean they want this. As @DocOctober pointed out, at least 1/5 of those who oppose this are bisexual or homosexual themselves. Don't presume to know what we want just because we're not heterosexual.
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@Ghost077 said:
@Orion said:
I can't read minds, no. However, you think your inability to win against the Pig is because the character is inherently OP, so that tells me you think you're not making any mistakes when going up against her. That, in turn, tells me you think you think you're better than the player using her, but only lose because the character itself is too powerful, when the reality is that the character is underpowered and you're just not good enough to beat her.Of course, I make mistakes. But in the game against other killers, this does not prevent to have chances to win. If a lot of players have difficulties against a character - yes, it means that he is not balanced. If it becomes balanced at high levels, it does not make it less unbalanced at another levels. All players have the right to vote, not just tops. In your opinion only the top.
For example, in a game Dawn Of War Soulstorm, the Eldar race is unbalanced strongest. However, a pro player can beat another player for a weaker one. But this does not cancel unbalanced this race. Even a weak player, if he learns a few abuses, will easy beat the rest of his level. And this not okay. If to get pleasure from game, need to become a top player to beat someone pers or race - this not okay.Yes, the game should be balanced at the top, because that's where skill is (more or less) equal, and thus only differences in mechanics affect the outcome of trials. That's a scientific approach, and not only is it OK, but it is objectively the best way to balance a game.
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I can't read minds, no. However, you think your inability to win against the Pig is because the character is inherently OP, so that tells me you think you're not making any mistakes when going up against her. That, in turn, tells me you think you think you're better than the player using her, but only lose because the character itself is too powerful, when the reality is that the character is underpowered and you're just not good enough to beat her.