Orion

@Damon22441 said:

@Slayer said:
Maybe you can make a new game with ideas like that lol Sorry but that doesnt fit this game at all camping and tunneling meant to be part of a game for balance

Then you think the game is meant to be unfair and unfun. Why play a match when there's a real chance you get tunneled down or camped, effectively wasting your time and power bill? Why play a game that encourages this?

Camping and Tunneling are emergent gameplay mechanics that the developers don't know how to address without overhauling many things at once.

Why play a game when there's a real chance you might lose because you're not good enough? Because it's part of the challenge.

in How to Fix the Camping / Tunneling Issue Comment by Orion February 5, 2019

Well, it's relative.
Is it your only perk? Then yes, it's better than going with nothing.
Do you have literally any other perk, even one that's bugged and only works half the time? Then no, take the other perk and thank the Entity you'll never have to use Fire Up again.

in Is Fire Up Any Good? Comment by Orion February 5, 2019

@Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:
I got called a baby killer for using a "broken killer and tunneling"

Can you guess which killer I was when they said that?

Wraith?

in LOL the salt is real Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

If you did nothing wrong, you won't get banned.

in I feel a lil' bit scared Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

@BACKSTABBER said:

@Orion said:
That just sounds like teabagging with extra steps. Or Jedi Knight II PvP.

I dunno but is something funny many survs do nowadays as a greeting or gl

Back in my day, we didn't have any of these fancy animations and we made do with teabagging! Now if you'll excuse me, there are some kids I need to chase off my lawn...

in Do YOU know the survivors' bow? Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

That just sounds like teabagging with extra steps. Or Jedi Knight II PvP.

in Do YOU know the survivors' bow? Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

@thesuicidefox said:
"Spam looping"

Right I forgot, survivors should just run in a straight line and never do anything to make you waste time or avoid getting caught.

Even if they ran in a straight line, it'd still take a minute to catch them, give or take.

in I just can't anymore Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

@RuneStarr said:

@Brady said:

Still no shirtless Myers

This is unacceptable. Devs, explain yourselves!

One of them already said they wouldn't do it. We should take to the streets shirtless as a form of protest and post shirtless selfies here! I won't because I'm busy, but you guys go on ahead!

in You know this event sucks Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

@friendlykillermain said:

@Orion said:

@friendlykillermain said:

@Orion said:

@friendlykillermain said:

@Orion said:

@friendlykillermain said:

@Orion said:

@DexyIV said:
Nah. As Orion said it encourages unsafe and reckless unhooks. Not to mention it creates a lose-lose situation for the killer. Go after the unhooked person? Well, you're an [BAD WORD], but lose. Go after the unhooker? Lose. I typically use unhooks as a way to chase after the unhooker if i don't find anyone else in that time. I don't think that's something that should be taken away from me personally.

I'm Orion.

hello orion

Hello.

@DexyIV said:

@Orion said:

@DexyIV said:
Nah. As Orion said it encourages unsafe and reckless unhooks. Not to mention it creates a lose-lose situation for the killer. Go after the unhooked person? Well, you're an [BAD WORD], but lose. Go after the unhooker? Lose. I typically use unhooks as a way to chase after the unhooker if i don't find anyone else in that time. I don't think that's something that should be taken away from me personally.

I'm Orion.

So are they apparently

They are "OrionsFury4789".

hmm how long have i been gone and what major events have i missed? in the months that have passed

Survivor queues have gotten worse as more and more killers left, with the current event being the final straw. Still, survivors blame killers (as opposed to their own behavior that drove them away) and are both happy and angry they're unable to play the game in any significant way. One even called killers "toxic" for not playing the game.

oh so nothing changed then

Well, queues are now bad enough that survivors came to the forum in droves to complain, but they still haven't figured out that their attitudes only make the situation worse.

oh the irony what about the few decent survivors on the forums are they still around or have they been consumed?

Depends on who you mean. If they're still around, you'll run into them.

in Could "old BT" be 2 perks Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

@friendlykillermain said:

@Orion said:

@friendlykillermain said:

@Orion said:

@friendlykillermain said:

@Orion said:

@DexyIV said:
Nah. As Orion said it encourages unsafe and reckless unhooks. Not to mention it creates a lose-lose situation for the killer. Go after the unhooked person? Well, you're an [BAD WORD], but lose. Go after the unhooker? Lose. I typically use unhooks as a way to chase after the unhooker if i don't find anyone else in that time. I don't think that's something that should be taken away from me personally.

I'm Orion.

hello orion

Hello.

@DexyIV said:

@Orion said:

@DexyIV said:
Nah. As Orion said it encourages unsafe and reckless unhooks. Not to mention it creates a lose-lose situation for the killer. Go after the unhooked person? Well, you're an [BAD WORD], but lose. Go after the unhooker? Lose. I typically use unhooks as a way to chase after the unhooker if i don't find anyone else in that time. I don't think that's something that should be taken away from me personally.

I'm Orion.

So are they apparently

They are "OrionsFury4789".

hmm how long have i been gone and what major events have i missed? in the months that have passed

Survivor queues have gotten worse as more and more killers left, with the current event being the final straw. Still, survivors blame killers (as opposed to their own behavior that drove them away) and are both happy and angry they're unable to play the game in any significant way. One even called killers "toxic" for not playing the game.

oh so nothing changed then

Well, queues are now bad enough that survivors came to the forum in droves to complain, but they still haven't figured out that their attitudes only make the situation worse.

in Could "old BT" be 2 perks Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

@friendlykillermain said:

@Orion said:

@friendlykillermain said:

@Orion said:

@DexyIV said:
Nah. As Orion said it encourages unsafe and reckless unhooks. Not to mention it creates a lose-lose situation for the killer. Go after the unhooked person? Well, you're an [BAD WORD], but lose. Go after the unhooker? Lose. I typically use unhooks as a way to chase after the unhooker if i don't find anyone else in that time. I don't think that's something that should be taken away from me personally.

I'm Orion.

hello orion

Hello.

@DexyIV said:

@Orion said:

@DexyIV said:
Nah. As Orion said it encourages unsafe and reckless unhooks. Not to mention it creates a lose-lose situation for the killer. Go after the unhooked person? Well, you're an [BAD WORD], but lose. Go after the unhooker? Lose. I typically use unhooks as a way to chase after the unhooker if i don't find anyone else in that time. I don't think that's something that should be taken away from me personally.

I'm Orion.

So are they apparently

They are "OrionsFury4789".

hmm how long have i been gone and what major events have i missed? in the months that have passed

Survivor queues have gotten worse as more and more killers left, with the current event being the final straw. Still, survivors blame killers (as opposed to their own behavior that drove them away) and are both happy and angry they're unable to play the game in any significant way. One even called killers "toxic" for not playing the game.

in Could "old BT" be 2 perks Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

@friendlykillermain said:

@Orion said:

@DexyIV said:
Nah. As Orion said it encourages unsafe and reckless unhooks. Not to mention it creates a lose-lose situation for the killer. Go after the unhooked person? Well, you're an [BAD WORD], but lose. Go after the unhooker? Lose. I typically use unhooks as a way to chase after the unhooker if i don't find anyone else in that time. I don't think that's something that should be taken away from me personally.

I'm Orion.

hello orion

Hello.

@DexyIV said:

@Orion said:

@DexyIV said:
Nah. As Orion said it encourages unsafe and reckless unhooks. Not to mention it creates a lose-lose situation for the killer. Go after the unhooked person? Well, you're an [BAD WORD], but lose. Go after the unhooker? Lose. I typically use unhooks as a way to chase after the unhooker if i don't find anyone else in that time. I don't think that's something that should be taken away from me personally.

I'm Orion.

So are they apparently

They are "OrionsFury4789".

in Could "old BT" be 2 perks Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

@DexyIV said:
Nah. As Orion said it encourages unsafe and reckless unhooks. Not to mention it creates a lose-lose situation for the killer. Go after the unhooked person? Well, you're an [BAD WORD], but lose. Go after the unhooker? Lose. I typically use unhooks as a way to chase after the unhooker if i don't find anyone else in that time. I don't think that's something that should be taken away from me personally.

I'm Orion.

in Could "old BT" be 2 perks Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

@XavierBoah17 said:
If they removed the speed buff and instead added a penalty to using the perk. Like increased terror radius.

Like the survivors being able to disable it before it even activates?
...Wait.

in The problem with NOED [RANT] Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

Siegward's a nice guy, why would you want him as a killer?

in I Demand Seigward Of Catarina As Survivor. Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

@OrionsFury4789 said:
Nope I do just fine at rank one killer the crying wont end until you have a survivor start in struggle and then it might not even and I won't deal with lobby master 3000 I'll derank like you've admitted to doing plenty of times get instant lobbies and have fun , its not anyone on this forums fault for the way the game is maybe except the devs of course but hey if you can't beat them join them I'm deranking and IDGAF who likes it because I've heard the killers say plenty of times it's not their job to make sure we have fun so guess what? I'll be as toxic as I want and there's nothing you can do about it as long as I don't break the official rules
See you in the fog

That's right, go be part of the problem.

in Dodged Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

@malloymk said:
Lol. You killers are so toxic. You act like survivors deserve to sit in lobbies for ages, because the game is designed a certain way. Grow up. It's a game.

No, they act like they're not enjoying the game (or at least the killer side) due to various issues (imbalance, survivor toxicity, grind, bugs, whatever), so they stopped playing it. If you cared about the game, you'd lobby to get these issues fixed. Every killer that quits is another lobby that won't get into a trial, but you'd rather call killers "toxic" for not playing a game they're not enjoying than even consider their grievances might actually be real.

in Dodged Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

@Lagoni said:

@Orion said:

@Lagoni said:

@BunnyBuns said:
Dead by Daylight is a game where you have to either press mouse 1 a long time for generators or press ctrl for crouching for a long time when playing against Hag especially. Being a mature (read 30+') gamer I'd really appreciate if the game had toggle crouch and toggle gen repair because it would simply be less stressfull for my hands that already get similarly tired in my work.

The gen toggle could be simply toggled off by another click or moving a bit and crouch toggle by another press of ctrl or running a bit.

Thanks.

All your requests can be made though a very simple AHK script, and as far as I am aware, they don't care about people using scripts, since there is no real advantage to it.

EDIT: i suppose it would be just as easy for BHVR to implement it in the core game, so i see your point.

I've seen people banned for using scripts and would not advise it.

Do you know what sort of scripts they were using? And do you know if it was actually true, or if it was just a guy saying "yeah i know someone who got banned"?

I'm not implying that you are lying, but you often get a lot of stories which is just that; stories :P

It was a script to wiggle and struggle, if memory serves. One user came here to complain about their ban and linked to a thread where several people were complaining that it'd been "detected" and they'd been banned from the game because of it.

in Implement Toggle Actions for Wrist/Hand Health Reasons Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

@HavelmomDaS1 said:
I really get insulted for not respecting the 4% aswell (btw I don't believe it's 4% anymore, the amount of kobes I get in my killer matches feels more like 25%. WIthout deliverance btw).
I personally don't follow made up survivor rules because they don't follow any rules.

It's 11.5% if a survivor uses all 3 attempts, because it follows a binomial distribution.

in Salty Gamer Grill still thinks this is 2016 DBD Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

@Judgement said:
Same actually but the rehook part is dependent on whether I think they deserve it or not.
Be a toxic ass? That’s a hookin’. Do nothing all game? That’s a hookin’. Sandbag teammates and do basically everything to screw over your team? Better believe that’s a hookin’.
Also Deliverance. If you run that and I think you have it, that’s a facecamping.
But play well and play nice, you’re free to go.

I used to let them go if they unhooked themselves when they were the last survivor on the map (when I hooked them before the others left or died, they sometimes managed to unhook themselves), but they've since proven to be unworthy of any mercy.

in Salty Gamer Grill still thinks this is 2016 DBD Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

I always respect the 11.5% (4% over 3 attempts following a binomial distribution). I observe the event like I'm watching a live birth (but with far less disgust). Once it's over, though, the survivor goes right back on that hook.

in Salty Gamer Grill still thinks this is 2016 DBD Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

@Lagoni said:

@BunnyBuns said:
Dead by Daylight is a game where you have to either press mouse 1 a long time for generators or press ctrl for crouching for a long time when playing against Hag especially. Being a mature (read 30+') gamer I'd really appreciate if the game had toggle crouch and toggle gen repair because it would simply be less stressfull for my hands that already get similarly tired in my work.

The gen toggle could be simply toggled off by another click or moving a bit and crouch toggle by another press of ctrl or running a bit.

Thanks.

All your requests can be made though a very simple AHK script, and as far as I am aware, they don't care about people using scripts, since there is no real advantage to it.

EDIT: i suppose it would be just as easy for BHVR to implement it in the core game, so i see your point.

I've seen people banned for using scripts and would not advise it.

in Implement Toggle Actions for Wrist/Hand Health Reasons Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

You can (I don't have the link with me, but you can probably find it in the "FAQ & Rules" section), but if it was just the end-game chat, all you need is an in-game report.

in Where can I send evidence of a Toxic player? Comment by Orion February 4, 2019

@terrortil said:

@Orion said:
All the perks in the stale meta, plus all the useless perks (Monstrous Shrine, etc.).

So let's remove them all?

No, just the useless ones and the ones in the stale meta.

in Which perks would you remove from the game? Comment by Orion February 3, 2019

All the perks in the stale meta, plus all the useless perks (Monstrous Shrine, etc.).

in Which perks would you remove from the game? Comment by Orion February 3, 2019

@FireHazard said:

@Orion said:

@FireHazard said:

@Orion said:

@FireHazard said:

@Orion said:

@FireHazard said:

@Orion said:

@FireHazard said:

@Orion said:

@FireHazard said:

@CyanideCandy said:

@FireHazard said:

@thesuicidefox said:

@FireHazard said:
Don't you think if a killers getting 4k every match (for example) and still uses post-gen perks to make sure the team dies is not overkill? Or to the very least makes them look like an ass?

It is overkill but they have no way to know before hand. Some games go super fast and NOED is almost necessary, other games it's not needed but procs anyway. I always feel bad for the groups where 1 or 2 of them barely make it to end game, but that's offset by the groups that blaze through gens and now I kind of need it to keep pressure.

If you need the pressure then use it. If you for example play fine without it than clearly you don't need it.

There's a difference between needing something and not needing something, but I guess that points never looked on.

Kind of like how you keep overlooking the fact that you have no real way of 100% guaranteed knowing exactly what motivated a killer to use no-ed? Or how either way, need it or not, there's nothing inherently toxic about using the perk? Your entire argument is based on your assumption and you're using it to slap the toxic label on someone else and have twice now encouraged people to treat each-other badly over the perk.

You make it sound like I just call out every NOED user, perhaps I should of added that I know when they're intentionally being toxic when they display it post game.

You can also tell they're being toxic from how they play, if you're being demolished by then do they really need the perk?

If they display toxicity in the post-game chat, you can report them.

How can they know, in advance, that you're a lot worse at the game than they are? Or do you expect them to swap out perks mid-game?

Since when does that make me for example a lot worse at the game than they are? If anything it shows they're an ass by snuffing out any hope of survival in their match. And it strengthens the point if they also show this toxicity in post-game chat or literally in game...

This has nothing to do with my skill vs theirs, it has to do with their closed mind approach to how a match goes in their eyes. But I guess its OK it just demolish an entire team without a second thought while assuming you're good. This goes for people who out right display this, NOT newbies who need the perk or what have you. I still don't know why you two miss this point.

Your example was about you being demolished. You don't get demolished unless you're significantly worse than the guy you're facing. So, how's the guy you're facing supposed to know, in advance, that he's gonna demolish you?

Do you understand the definition of an example? Its a scenario, I didn't imply it was a reality. Not everything I say is referring to me... Not sure where this is coming from.

The point still stands: How is the killer supposed to know, in advance, that they're gonna demolish the survivors?

They don't? But what I pointed as an example is just that... AN EXAMPLE, is it possible? MAYBE... Is it common? No.

Your argument is that it's toxic to use NOED when you demolish the survivors, since you didn't need it to win, yet you also acknowledge that the killer would need the power of foresight or time travel to know if they were going to need NOED or not. Do you not see the problem with this line of thought?

So you're saying because of the possibility that their match might possible not go as I say, and turn out to be horrible, makes my point null?

No, I'm saying your point is null because they can't know, in advance, how the trial is going to go. They can't know, in advance, if they might need NOED or not. They can't know, in advance, what the survivors are going to do. They can't know, in advance, how good the survivors are.
You're essentially calling them toxic for not being able to see the future.

So you want me to rewrite the entire post and title (again) to appease you or something?

I'm just pointing out the flaws in your logic. What you do with them is up to you. You can either cling to your accusations of toxicity based on people not having the power to see the future, or you can try to see things from a different perspective.

in The problem with NOED [RANT] Comment by Orion February 3, 2019

@FireHazard said:

@Orion said:

@FireHazard said:

@Orion said:

@FireHazard said:

@Orion said:

@FireHazard said:

@Orion said:

@FireHazard said:

@CyanideCandy said:

@FireHazard said:

@thesuicidefox said:

@FireHazard said:
Don't you think if a killers getting 4k every match (for example) and still uses post-gen perks to make sure the team dies is not overkill? Or to the very least makes them look like an ass?

It is overkill but they have no way to know before hand. Some games go super fast and NOED is almost necessary, other games it's not needed but procs anyway. I always feel bad for the groups where 1 or 2 of them barely make it to end game, but that's offset by the groups that blaze through gens and now I kind of need it to keep pressure.

If you need the pressure then use it. If you for example play fine without it than clearly you don't need it.

There's a difference between needing something and not needing something, but I guess that points never looked on.

Kind of like how you keep overlooking the fact that you have no real way of 100% guaranteed knowing exactly what motivated a killer to use no-ed? Or how either way, need it or not, there's nothing inherently toxic about using the perk? Your entire argument is based on your assumption and you're using it to slap the toxic label on someone else and have twice now encouraged people to treat each-other badly over the perk.

You make it sound like I just call out every NOED user, perhaps I should of added that I know when they're intentionally being toxic when they display it post game.

You can also tell they're being toxic from how they play, if you're being demolished by then do they really need the perk?

If they display toxicity in the post-game chat, you can report them.

How can they know, in advance, that you're a lot worse at the game than they are? Or do you expect them to swap out perks mid-game?

Since when does that make me for example a lot worse at the game than they are? If anything it shows they're an ass by snuffing out any hope of survival in their match. And it strengthens the point if they also show this toxicity in post-game chat or literally in game...

This has nothing to do with my skill vs theirs, it has to do with their closed mind approach to how a match goes in their eyes. But I guess its OK it just demolish an entire team without a second thought while assuming you're good. This goes for people who out right display this, NOT newbies who need the perk or what have you. I still don't know why you two miss this point.

Your example was about you being demolished. You don't get demolished unless you're significantly worse than the guy you're facing. So, how's the guy you're facing supposed to know, in advance, that he's gonna demolish you?

Do you understand the definition of an example? Its a scenario, I didn't imply it was a reality. Not everything I say is referring to me... Not sure where this is coming from.

The point still stands: How is the killer supposed to know, in advance, that they're gonna demolish the survivors?

They don't? But what I pointed as an example is just that... AN EXAMPLE, is it possible? MAYBE... Is it common? No.

Your argument is that it's toxic to use NOED when you demolish the survivors, since you didn't need it to win, yet you also acknowledge that the killer would need the power of foresight or time travel to know if they were going to need NOED or not. Do you not see the problem with this line of thought?

So you're saying because of the possibility that their match might possible not go as I say, and turn out to be horrible, makes my point null?

No, I'm saying your point is null because they can't know, in advance, how the trial is going to go. They can't know, in advance, if they might need NOED or not. They can't know, in advance, what the survivors are going to do. They can't know, in advance, how good the survivors are.
You're essentially calling them toxic for not being able to see the future.

in The problem with NOED [RANT] Comment by Orion February 3, 2019

Never mind.

in Why do people like Ochido? Comment by Orion February 3, 2019

@FireHazard said:

@Orion said:

@FireHazard said:

@Orion said:

@FireHazard said:

@Orion said:

@FireHazard said:

@CyanideCandy said:

@FireHazard said:

@thesuicidefox said:

@FireHazard said:
Don't you think if a killers getting 4k every match (for example) and still uses post-gen perks to make sure the team dies is not overkill? Or to the very least makes them look like an ass?

It is overkill but they have no way to know before hand. Some games go super fast and NOED is almost necessary, other games it's not needed but procs anyway. I always feel bad for the groups where 1 or 2 of them barely make it to end game, but that's offset by the groups that blaze through gens and now I kind of need it to keep pressure.

If you need the pressure then use it. If you for example play fine without it than clearly you don't need it.

There's a difference between needing something and not needing something, but I guess that points never looked on.

Kind of like how you keep overlooking the fact that you have no real way of 100% guaranteed knowing exactly what motivated a killer to use no-ed? Or how either way, need it or not, there's nothing inherently toxic about using the perk? Your entire argument is based on your assumption and you're using it to slap the toxic label on someone else and have twice now encouraged people to treat each-other badly over the perk.

You make it sound like I just call out every NOED user, perhaps I should of added that I know when they're intentionally being toxic when they display it post game.

You can also tell they're being toxic from how they play, if you're being demolished by then do they really need the perk?

If they display toxicity in the post-game chat, you can report them.

How can they know, in advance, that you're a lot worse at the game than they are? Or do you expect them to swap out perks mid-game?

Since when does that make me for example a lot worse at the game than they are? If anything it shows they're an ass by snuffing out any hope of survival in their match. And it strengthens the point if they also show this toxicity in post-game chat or literally in game...

This has nothing to do with my skill vs theirs, it has to do with their closed mind approach to how a match goes in their eyes. But I guess its OK it just demolish an entire team without a second thought while assuming you're good. This goes for people who out right display this, NOT newbies who need the perk or what have you. I still don't know why you two miss this point.

Your example was about you being demolished. You don't get demolished unless you're significantly worse than the guy you're facing. So, how's the guy you're facing supposed to know, in advance, that he's gonna demolish you?

Do you understand the definition of an example? Its a scenario, I didn't imply it was a reality. Not everything I say is referring to me... Not sure where this is coming from.

The point still stands: How is the killer supposed to know, in advance, that they're gonna demolish the survivors?

They don't? But what I pointed as an example is just that... AN EXAMPLE, is it possible? MAYBE... Is it common? No.

Your argument is that it's toxic to use NOED when you demolish the survivors, since you didn't need it to win, yet you also acknowledge that the killer would need the power of foresight or time travel to know if they were going to need NOED or not. Do you not see the problem with this line of thought?

in The problem with NOED [RANT] Comment by Orion February 3, 2019

@FireHazard said:

@Orion said:

@FireHazard said:

@Orion said:

@FireHazard said:

@CyanideCandy said:

@FireHazard said:

@thesuicidefox said:

@FireHazard said:
Don't you think if a killers getting 4k every match (for example) and still uses post-gen perks to make sure the team dies is not overkill? Or to the very least makes them look like an ass?

It is overkill but they have no way to know before hand. Some games go super fast and NOED is almost necessary, other games it's not needed but procs anyway. I always feel bad for the groups where 1 or 2 of them barely make it to end game, but that's offset by the groups that blaze through gens and now I kind of need it to keep pressure.

If you need the pressure then use it. If you for example play fine without it than clearly you don't need it.

There's a difference between needing something and not needing something, but I guess that points never looked on.

Kind of like how you keep overlooking the fact that you have no real way of 100% guaranteed knowing exactly what motivated a killer to use no-ed? Or how either way, need it or not, there's nothing inherently toxic about using the perk? Your entire argument is based on your assumption and you're using it to slap the toxic label on someone else and have twice now encouraged people to treat each-other badly over the perk.

You make it sound like I just call out every NOED user, perhaps I should of added that I know when they're intentionally being toxic when they display it post game.

You can also tell they're being toxic from how they play, if you're being demolished by then do they really need the perk?

If they display toxicity in the post-game chat, you can report them.

How can they know, in advance, that you're a lot worse at the game than they are? Or do you expect them to swap out perks mid-game?

Since when does that make me for example a lot worse at the game than they are? If anything it shows they're an ass by snuffing out any hope of survival in their match. And it strengthens the point if they also show this toxicity in post-game chat or literally in game...

This has nothing to do with my skill vs theirs, it has to do with their closed mind approach to how a match goes in their eyes. But I guess its OK it just demolish an entire team without a second thought while assuming you're good. This goes for people who out right display this, NOT newbies who need the perk or what have you. I still don't know why you two miss this point.

Your example was about you being demolished. You don't get demolished unless you're significantly worse than the guy you're facing. So, how's the guy you're facing supposed to know, in advance, that he's gonna demolish you?

Do you understand the definition of an example? Its a scenario, I didn't imply it was a reality. Not everything I say is referring to me... Not sure where this is coming from.

The point still stands: How is the killer supposed to know, in advance, that they're gonna demolish the survivors?

in The problem with NOED [RANT] Comment by Orion February 3, 2019

@FireHazard said:

@Orion said:

@FireHazard said:

@CyanideCandy said:

@FireHazard said:

@thesuicidefox said:

@FireHazard said:
Don't you think if a killers getting 4k every match (for example) and still uses post-gen perks to make sure the team dies is not overkill? Or to the very least makes them look like an ass?

It is overkill but they have no way to know before hand. Some games go super fast and NOED is almost necessary, other games it's not needed but procs anyway. I always feel bad for the groups where 1 or 2 of them barely make it to end game, but that's offset by the groups that blaze through gens and now I kind of need it to keep pressure.

If you need the pressure then use it. If you for example play fine without it than clearly you don't need it.

There's a difference between needing something and not needing something, but I guess that points never looked on.

Kind of like how you keep overlooking the fact that you have no real way of 100% guaranteed knowing exactly what motivated a killer to use no-ed? Or how either way, need it or not, there's nothing inherently toxic about using the perk? Your entire argument is based on your assumption and you're using it to slap the toxic label on someone else and have twice now encouraged people to treat each-other badly over the perk.

You make it sound like I just call out every NOED user, perhaps I should of added that I know when they're intentionally being toxic when they display it post game.

You can also tell they're being toxic from how they play, if you're being demolished by then do they really need the perk?

If they display toxicity in the post-game chat, you can report them.

How can they know, in advance, that you're a lot worse at the game than they are? Or do you expect them to swap out perks mid-game?

Since when does that make me for example a lot worse at the game than they are? If anything it shows they're an ass by snuffing out any hope of survival in their match. And it strengthens the point if they also show this toxicity in post-game chat or literally in game...

This has nothing to do with my skill vs theirs, it has to do with their closed mind approach to how a match goes in their eyes. But I guess its OK it just demolish an entire team without a second thought while assuming you're good. This goes for people who out right display this, NOT newbies who need the perk or what have you. I still don't know why you two miss this point.

Your example was about you being demolished. You don't get demolished unless you're significantly worse than the guy you're facing. So, how's the guy you're facing supposed to know, in advance, that he's gonna demolish you?

in The problem with NOED [RANT] Comment by Orion February 3, 2019

@FireHazard said:

@CyanideCandy said:

@FireHazard said:

@thesuicidefox said:

@FireHazard said:
Don't you think if a killers getting 4k every match (for example) and still uses post-gen perks to make sure the team dies is not overkill? Or to the very least makes them look like an ass?

It is overkill but they have no way to know before hand. Some games go super fast and NOED is almost necessary, other games it's not needed but procs anyway. I always feel bad for the groups where 1 or 2 of them barely make it to end game, but that's offset by the groups that blaze through gens and now I kind of need it to keep pressure.

If you need the pressure then use it. If you for example play fine without it than clearly you don't need it.

There's a difference between needing something and not needing something, but I guess that points never looked on.

Kind of like how you keep overlooking the fact that you have no real way of 100% guaranteed knowing exactly what motivated a killer to use no-ed? Or how either way, need it or not, there's nothing inherently toxic about using the perk? Your entire argument is based on your assumption and you're using it to slap the toxic label on someone else and have twice now encouraged people to treat each-other badly over the perk.

You make it sound like I just call out every NOED user, perhaps I should of added that I know when they're intentionally being toxic when they display it post game.

You can also tell they're being toxic from how they play, if you're being demolished by then do they really need the perk?

If they display toxicity in the post-game chat, you can report them.

How can they know, in advance, that you're a lot worse at the game than they are? Or do you expect them to swap out perks mid-game?

in The problem with NOED [RANT] Comment by Orion February 3, 2019

@FireHazard said:

@Orion said:

@FireHazard said:

@Orion said:

@FireHazard said:
Of course they have the right to use any perks they want its their character, does that justify what they're doing though? No not really.

Yes, it absolutely [BAD WORD] does. Who are you to tell someone else how to play the game they bought? Who are you to tell someone else which parts of the game they bought they're "allowed" to use? As long as they don't break the rules, they're justified in doing whatever they want, because that's the product they paid for. Who are you to say otherwise?

So what you're saying is, since I bought the game I can be an [BAD WORD] to everyone I come across and be utterly toxic? And theirs justification for it? Sounds amazing.

You'd be breaking the rules, so no. I should've known I should've added "as long as they don't break the rules" to every single point, just so you couldn't pretend you didn't read it.

No I read it, what you're clearly saying is if I wanted to I can be a knob to everyone I come across and just because I bought the game that will justify what i'm doing. The same can be said to people who know they don't need NOED but use it anyways despite it being obvious in the match that they don't.

I know that point flys past most your heads, but that's what the rants implying here. Idc if you're a rank 20 using it, or if you're a Freddy who uses it, or what have you. I care only when its on killers that DON'T need it but still have it on them because the killer knows it makes the survivors angry.

That's not what I said, so no, you either didn't read it or just didn't understand it. I don't know why you're pretending you did both.

in The problem with NOED [RANT] Comment by Orion February 3, 2019

@FireHazard said:

@Orion said:

@FireHazard said:
Of course they have the right to use any perks they want its their character, does that justify what they're doing though? No not really.

Yes, it absolutely [BAD WORD] does. Who are you to tell someone else how to play the game they bought? Who are you to tell someone else which parts of the game they bought they're "allowed" to use? As long as they don't break the rules, they're justified in doing whatever they want, because that's the product they paid for. Who are you to say otherwise?

So what you're saying is, since I bought the game I can be an [BAD WORD] to everyone I come across and be utterly toxic? And theirs justification for it? Sounds amazing.

You'd be breaking the rules, so no. I should've known I should've added "as long as they don't break the rules" to every single point, just so you couldn't pretend you didn't read it.

in The problem with NOED [RANT] Comment by Orion February 3, 2019

@FireHazard said:
Of course they have the right to use any perks they want its their character, does that justify what they're doing though? No not really.

Yes, it absolutely ######### does, as long as they don't break the rules. Who are you to tell someone else how to play the game they bought, as long as they don't break the rules? Who are you to tell someone else which parts of the game they bought they're "allowed" to use, as long as they don't break the rules? As long as they don't break the rules, they're justified in doing whatever they want, because that's the product they paid for. Who are you to say otherwise, as long as they don't break the rules?

EDIT: Added "as long as they don't break the rules" to every single sentence to avoid people pretending they didn't read it.

in The problem with NOED [RANT] Comment by Orion February 3, 2019

Yes, please.

in Implement Toggle Actions for Wrist/Hand Health Reasons Comment by Orion February 3, 2019

@Tsulan said:

@The_Crusader said:

@MaxiferPriest said:

@The_Crusader said:
I cant believe people still think Billy is the most balanced killer.

Crosses the map in 5 seconds, instadowns a survivor 10 seconds into the game before other survivors have even got to touch a gen

Balanced.

use your ears and eyes. They really help, yea i know you don't believe me but open your eyes and listen more carefully. if you get hit in first 10s of the game by billy chainsaw (or if you get hit next to a gen you're working on) that's 100% on you, not that billy is that good, you are that bad.

It's not me that gets hit that early luckily it's teammates.

The thing with Billy is he can land on top of survivors before they have a chance to make it to a pallet. Everybody knows this, Then it's instachainsaw and down.

No other killer can just fly across the map and instadown people like he can. No way he is the most balanced killer.

He can´t fly. There are tons of obstacles on the map and simply doing a step aside saves you from getting chainsawed.

Now that i think of it... We really need a flying killer! (really flying, not this nurse levitating stuff)

I suggested something that could almost fly, back in the Steam forum. This killer would be able to put down poles across the map and jump to them after charging for a while. He'd also be able to vault pallets. Sound like any killers you might've heard? :P

in Do you think all killers should be “S-Tier?” Comment by Orion February 3, 2019

Many survivor perks are underestimated. You'd be surprised what's waiting for you outside the stale meta.

in I underestimated Pharmacy Comment by Orion February 3, 2019

Not offended, just curious. Next.