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@skylerbound said:
I believe it’s MMR that’s an issue. Whether it be backfilling or way too lax. I’ve just had a match against a p100 Wesker with 4 slowdowns and his best add ons against me and 3 baby gents….
the next match a 0 prestige wraith going for adept against 4 of us with 2-;3k hours each. I think they need to be stricter
We kinda did this to ourselves with the MMR. Every time they ask this community if they prefer queue times vs. quality matchmaking, the resounding answer is always queue times. Their system gets one shot at a fair-ish trial, and then that gets borked when there's a dodge & backfill. So much of this problem is on us.
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@Trollinmon said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3636622#Comment_3636622
You as a solo player dont know what every other survivor is capable off.
I would think knowing what build you are running would be helpful in identifying what type of survivor you are, but why can't we show all survivors what everyone is running? Well survivors will dodge lobbies if they don't like those builds. But doesn't that then raise a different question in if that is the case why are those survivors even be matched in the first place?
Show builds in-game on the offerings screen or something, at the very least.
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@Pulsar said:
Last time I played on Borgo it was dead zone central.
It does kill a lot of stealth Killers.
That's a valid point. What the efffff is my beloved Piggly Wiggly supposed to on Borgo?!?! And the change to STBFL isn't exactly doing her any favors either.
She's just falling more and more behind...
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@Shroompy said:
In my opinion each killer should have their own pool of maps. This would help with balance SO much and would avoid things like Billy on Lerys or Dredge on Haddonfield.
You could also make it lore accurate by saying something along the lines of: "The Huntress has stepped outside of her domain and can be seen roaming around parts of the Autohaven Wreckers and the Garden of Joy."
I love the lore-specific idea, like saying Doc is extending his experiments into Gideon or Hawkins!
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@Adaez said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3636618#Comment_3636618
They should also add that before you start a game, hope 2024 is gonna be the year of qol changes.
I too hope some form of showing loadouts is added.
However I'm dubious about showing it pre-trial as it can worsen the lobby dodging issues we already have. Running perks to do challenges or dailies will get you dodged, and forget about the adepts, especially David's.
But the mobile version does this, so it's worth testing out imo.
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@Adaez said:
I feel like the root of all problems in DBD is the map balance, how am I supposed to do anything on a map like Borgo on a killer with no mobility that kills all stealth as well.
Soloq biggest problem is lack of communication which can be easily fixed by using emotes communicating with your teammates which DBD mobile has and yet we don't .
Sfw will fall in line once the map balance would be better since no more abusing broken loops or take advantage of big map loaded with pallets.
I've always believed the true advantage of SWF is much better quality control over your teammates.
Sure near-instant comms can be strong, but overall knowing your mates builds, tendencies, strengths & weaknesses all matter more. You also have the benefit of knowing they won't leave you behind, and if they're doing challenges or dailies too. Solo Q gets none of that, and cannot realistically get it either outside of showing builds somewhere, prolly in-game.
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@Skillfulstone said:
While most of what you're saying has merit, the part where Killers could take over if one DCs sounds off.
Most of the time, a Killer DCs because they are either severely outmatched, being trolled (both often come together) or are seconds away from losing (all Survivors are waiting at exit gates to click/teabag and the Killer just DCs to deny any potenti gate survival challenges and to skip the 2 minute wait time).
Having someone take over during those instance would feel pretty bad. Imagine waiting to start a game and then ending up in a game that ends seconds later or ending up against a God-tier 4-man way out of your league. Additional points or not, this wouldn't feel good.
Not to mention the mechanic would have part of it's efficiency paywalled since (I assume) a player couldn't join a game as a Killer they don't own/using perks they don't own. Which also greatly reduces the mechanic's potential for new players and/or players that aren't spending much on the game.
All this is unfortunately true.
To it I would add the notion of inserting players into ongoing matches would ignore their matchmaking altogether. That would almost guarantee gross mismatches every time, far worse than the backfilling problem we already have.
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Pig, with Myers a distant second. 🐽🐷
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@Star99er said:
[Xbox Series X]
When you're Intentionally appearing offline on Xbox such as to avoid party/game invites from others you will still appear online for friends through Dead by Daylight. It would be a nice change if you appeared offline on DbD as well when you're not in the mood to play with others.
I don't believe the devs can make this happen. Xbox's various player visibility policies require stuff like this always be seen by other players. It's the reason DBD's Anonymous Mode cannot be used on Xbox, even though all of the other platforms the game is on can use it.
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Each and every time the DC penalties are turned off, evil things always follow. Always.
The amount of DC's for the slightest inconvenience is exponentially increased whenever they're off, and games get quickly out of control.
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I see your block and raise you another block! 😂
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@GeneralV said:
The Forums aren't bad, there is just the occasional bait here and there.
And hey, at least we are leagues ahead of DBD Twitter.
I don't venture there for DBD, nor reddit. How do we compare?
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3613639#Comment_3613639
Let me ask again, Why is it important for you to see my profile? - its none of your or anyone else that i dont know's buisness.
Why do i need to be a well known streamer to have the right to be anon?
At least you have the option to use Anonymous Mode. Those of us on Xbox can't even use it.
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The notion of just turn off CrossPlay is not really an option.
The way their system works is if I turn off CrossPlay on my Xbox Series X then now I'll only be matched up with others only on Xbox Series X who also have it turned off. So no one on any of the PlayStations or Steam or Epic or Windows or Switch. And also no one on Xbox1. And also no one on Xbox Series S or X who has CrossPlay still on. Tiny pool indeed.
Try it some time. I'd get a match once an hour if I'm lucky.
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@Iron_Cutlass said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3613432#Comment_3613432
Same.
I lose a match, I move on, I really dont care if I lose to SoloQ or SWF (or a mix of the two).
Healthiest approach by far imo.
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@Crowman said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3613623#Comment_3613623
Which has never stopped anyone from lobby dodging.
So maybe it's time to test out no lobbies at all? 🤔
As a bonus it would also kill off that last second swapping bs survs can do as well.
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@Crowman said:
Just lobby dodge if it really bothers you to play with an anon player. It's really weird how people get when you can't stalk and harass someone by seeing their profile.
The problem with that is all the dodging wreaks their matchmaking system badly.
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@[Deleted User] said:
Welcome to Freddy! Niche add ons with conditional activation! DARN
(Blight: gets all power back from landing power. Yes)
Could there be a better example of the disparity between two vastly different killers in their effectiveness and their add-on's interaction with their power & that effectiveness?
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@GeneralV said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3612619#Comment_3612619
Yeah, those map reworks messed everything up. There are deadzones everywhere, and those new tiles are awful to run.
I hope someday they do your Freddy justice, and get him to a better place. If for no other reason than bring a smile to your face! 😁
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@Pulsar said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3612504#Comment_3612504
He dropped chase once. He also won that game at two gens.
Chucky also won that game at three gens.
Trickster downed me, ignored Laurie and hooked me. Then he did the EXACT same thing on my last hook.
Clearly, I'm doing something wrong. My own individual skill doesn't matter whatsoever and nothing I do in the match matters. I am completely beholden to the mood of the Killer I'm playing against and that is a horrible ######### feeling and it makes me want to never touch this game again as Survivor. That's really unfortunate because Killer is FAR too easy to be a challenge and I've already pushed that envelope as far as I can
Whenever you would like, feel free to join me for some Remnant 2, or Baulder's Gate, or Conan Exiles, or heck I was streaming some Minecraft today.
Not worth your mental health & peace fam.
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@HugTechLover said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3612488#Comment_3612488
The tunneling has been absolutely rampant lately. Don’t know what it is.
The art of the chase is dwindling, on both sides.
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The speakers on my old ass TV a dozen feet away from the couch are doing the best they can dammit! 🤪
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It wouldn't help in your situation, but maybe when it gets half way filled you can crawl to a hook and the Entity can consume you there. Be a cool animation, like the Entity progress on first hook, but much faster.
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@GeneralV said:
Technically my favorite map no longer exists, because while it is still in the game the rework ruined it for me.
But even if it is not there anymore, Old Léry's will always be my favorite map DBD had to offer.
I loved the creepy hospital atmosphere, it was so damn good. The map worked quite well with the way I play survivor, and it was excellent for Old Freddy, so I never had anything to complain about.
Good memories, my friend. Good memories.
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I've always loved the Swamps, and for whatever reason have done wayyyyyyy better than I ever should have on them, in either role.
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@EvilSerje said:
Killer doesn't need anything to compensate, Kindred is only for Solos, SWF don't use it. Besides, killer already have basekit info: crows.
What if the crows could "mark" survs that disturb them, maybe showing their whereabouts for a couple of seconds? Maybe even their direction?
And then Spies doubles down on that info, or gets reworked into something else?
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@DyingWish92 said:
All streamers I've seen seem to utilize his power like this. Survivor will drop a pallet, they will scamper under the pallet and then immediatly go into a scamper around the pallet loop and hit the survivor.
I play on PS5. I've tried this but the scamper seems to not turn good and always misses the survivor by a mile because I end up going more straight then around the loop. Am I doing something wrong or do I just need to get good. Is the hit box weird to? Because sometimes I land the scamper right on top of the survivor and it doesn't registwr as a hit lmao. Any advice would be nice.
If you haven't already, mess around with the controller sensitivity settings some. Could help.
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@CountOfTheFog said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3611666#Comment_3611666
Wait, so you don't even need discord on PS and XBOX?!
Nope. I've been in chat parties where we're all playing different games entirely. Very easy to use.
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Yeah Xbox and the PlayStations have built in chat party stuff. I do not think the PlayStations have discord as it's owned by Microsoft, but I could be wrong on that. Dunno what tf Nintendo does.
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@Beatricks said:
Hello there everyone!
After a recent exchange with Peanits where we briefly touched upon the issue of balanced games with the Skill Based Match Making and the statistics that are derived of the trials by the dev team ( https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3591596#Comment_3591596 ), I decided to do a little informal experiment and see how balanced my matches felt and what "objective" results I got in regards to the SBMM.
I believe this gives a rough estimate of what matches are like in the 1600+ MMR skill bracket, which is the second highest one, followed by the soft cap that was recently raised. I believe that based on my opponents and teammates in the past, many of whom I cannot possibly fathom to be under the 1600 mark (Otz, Hens333, True, KnightLight and these are just the names I recognize).
I usually play anonymous mode, but for this experiment, I made my profile public and played as Yui, who for the most part, doesn't seem to come with a lot of perceived stereotypes as I wanted my matches to be as general as I could possibly make them. I played all games with the same loadout (Lithe, OTR, Prove, We'll Make It) + a brown medkit. I never dodged and I played to win, which meant that if I could, I prioritized my escape, but was willing to throw myself at the killer if that resulted in the rest of my team successfully escaping. I also set out to only give up a match if 2 people DC-ed or went next on hook.
All matches were played a week after Chucky was released and before the Chill event began to sample the "usual" games that are played. This coincided with flashlights being disabled so results might be skewed in that regard.
Match results:
4k: 28 matches
3k: 12 matches
2k: 11 matches
1k: 24 matches
0k: 25 matches
I actually only died in 48 of the trials which resulted in a significantly higher escape rate than usual, which I consider to be the result of the flashlights being disabled and survivors being less likely to waste time trailing the killer. Still, for the original purpose of this experiment, I feel like it supports my perception of the SBMM system, most games are heavily favoring one side and "balanced" trials (however you define them) are exceedingly rare.
I even rated all matches subjectively on a scale of 1-5 where 1 was the P100 Nurse 12 hooking the team before a single gen was done and 5 being the one where the killer couldn't get a single hook by the time the exit gates were opened.
5/5: 14 matches
4/5:: 30 matches
3/5: 19 matches
2/5: 22 matches
1/5: 15 matches
Very similar results, although on this occasion, the balanced matches were not the least common. Obviously, this being completely subjective means that how accurate of a picture they paint is questionable.
Hook states are tracked in the spreadsheet document at the end of this post.
Tunneling
One statistic that I kept track of was tunneling. I had 3 categories here. Hard tunneling, which meant that the killer would focus on the first survivor they hooked exclusively, until they were either dead, escaped through the gates or the killer lost sight of them and had to pick another target. Soft tunneling were cases where somebody was tunneled immediately off the hook, but not as the first survivor that got hooked. For the purposes of this experiment, I did not consider tunneling after the last gen popped to be tunneling. Tally was as follows:
Hard tunneling in 47 matches.
Soft tunneling in 15 matches.
No tunneling at all or until end game: 38 matches.
Please bring DS and OTR to your matches!
Top 10 Maps
6 matches: Azarov's Resting place, Bedham, Haddonfield, Game, RPD,
5 matches: Ormond, Yamaoka Estate
4 matches: Crotus Prenn, Pale Rose, Rancid Abbatoir, Shelter Woods, Sanctum of Wrath
Top 10 Killers encountered
14 Wesker
9 Blight
8 Nurse
6 Chucky and Oni
4 Doctor, Hillbilly, Huntress, Legion, Nemesis, Spirit
Top 10 Killer perks
44 times: Pain Res and Pop
31 times: Corrupt
19 times: Bamboozle
18 times: Deadlock and Shadowborn
16 times: Nowhere to hide
15 times: Sloppy Butcher
13 times: Lethal Pursuer and Save The Best For Last
Top 10 Survivors encountered
24 times: Feng
23 times: Nea
20 times: Claudette
18 times: Nancy
17 times: Ace
15 times: Yui
14 times: Kate and Mikhaela
12 times: Dwight and Meg
Top 10 Survivor perks
130 times: Windows of Opportunity
91 times: Adrenaline
87 times: Lithe
73 times: Resilience
49 times: Off The Record
46 times: Dead Hard
44 times: Balanced Landing
42 times: Deja Vu
36 times: Decisive Strike and Sprint Burst
For the full list of matches, maps, hook states, killers, perks etc, here's a spreadsheet document:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/X12QP8BN0JIM/100soloq.xlsx
And here you can see every end game screenshot I took, with all names removed:
Hope you found this interesting, let me know if there are any questions!
Is this the EU region? Given some of the names you mentioned I would think so.
I know there's significant differences between the regions, with playstyles in the US, South America and Asia ones vastly different. Such as in Asia perks like Self Care are still highly run, and EU being notoriously more "sweaty" and more heavily PC than other regions.
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@GeneralV said:
Hopefully Pain Res will show up on the shrine at some point.
I would like to test it myself.
Maybe introduce personal shrines. They know what perks you have unlocked, how about it guarantees at least one unlocked perk per cycle?
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@HugTechLover said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3611127#Comment_3611127
I don’t play blight. I don’t even play killer. I’m a survivor main.
And here I thought you only played surv to support your Blight's ring habit! 🤪🤣
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I must be the only Piggly Wiggly that has never used the scream stuff
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@Smoe said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3610407#Comment_3610407
I don't think most people would have the patience required for the time it takes to do an entire game recoding, especially at the point the game is at right now.
Oh I know they won't do it, they've said they have no plans to a couple of times.
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@Krazzik said:
A very interesting question in the survey may shed light on why Cross Progression is taking so long.
I don't have a screenshot but the question was basically:
"Would you be open to Cross Progression if you could only carry over characters you bought ingame, rather than through DLC"
It seems that character unlocks through DLC may be much harder to carry over, perhaps there are legal problems with the DLC being tied to that platform's company and so they can't allow the unlocks to be transferred to another platform.
This would mean you would have to purchase the individual characters with Auric Cells or Iri Shards for them to be available on other platforms.
Being able to carry over all of their leveling, items & cosmetics would likely be most player's priority over DLC's. It would suck in my case as I never got a character with shards just through DLC's.
Too bad all this wasn't sorted out before they ported the game over to the consoles. Or the numerous reasons why Cross Progression has consistently been asked for in the first place.
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@Crowman said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3610242#Comment_3610242
Recoding the game isn't a simple task that can be churned out. It's going to take years for them to recode everything. But importantly, I'm pretty sure the dev team is already slowly working on recoding aspects of their code.
We've seen some innovation stuff with some recent killers. Xeno's underground map, Chucky's 3rd person camera, Singularity's bipod cameras. I doubt any of this stuff was possible for them years ago.
They've said in the past it's too late to add a replay system in, it would had to been in the original coding apparently. One of the reasons why I'd love them to recode the game.
Xeno's tunnels look like they're based on Demo's portals. Chuck's pov and model likely came from Victor. I'd have to think about the various parts of Singularity to see where they came from, if not actually new. Don't play him anymore too poopy with a controller. I think they said it takes a year's time to do a killer.
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@mightymouse said:
we need maps for the ring and clown/survivor and freddy and THE CANNIBAL/survivor and THE CENOBITE/survivor and need more animals in CROTUS PRENN ASYLUM map and rework SILENT HILL map and rework SPRINGWOOD map and rework RACCOON CITY map and have
blizzard snow/rain/thunderstorm/windy/lava/ tornado/hurricane in it
I'm just thinking of a Nintendo Switch trying to run any of those effects. Prolly melt and slide off onto the floor.
Maybe in a DBD2 someday?
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@jayoshi said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3609253#Comment_3609253
Not everyone plays on PC and can type what they have
This.
Chat is not available on the consoles, nor is it likely ever coming.
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@appleas said:
It’s also dbd mobile.
The platform has been out for a fraction of the time OG DBD has and yet there are so many things they have implemented that the community wants ranging from QOL to great skins/alternate moris and even a new game mode recently.
Naturally people would look at all this new stuff and ask themselves “Why doesn’t the OG game have all these? What are devs so busy with where even implementing QOL changes may take months if not years?” Sure the public may not be aware of the workflow that OG dbd has going on, but that is where PR has to come in to manage expectations and portray things in a better light.
The devs are all great people, but I think the PR in responding to questions could be handled better.
The comment that Otz talked about in his video regarding showing perks in the lobby definitely could have been phrased to something like “We have a lot lined up now but we’ll do our best to slot it in when we can!”
The reply acknowledging that nothing could be done about suiciding on hook sounded so … desolate. I could even sense that the dev replying had no idea how to resolve hook suicides and had no intention of trying. Even if that is the internal opinion of the dev team, it’s not something that should be acknowledged to the public. Once again it could have been PR-ed better.
As much as I get the point of the AMA is to be truthful as much as possible, the comments don’t just reflect the opinion of the devs but of the company itself. I’m not going to assume only one dev thinks that hook suicides can’t be fixed when I read the reply, I’m going to assume that BHVR as a whole is aware of hook suicides and acknowledges officially that it can’t be fixed.
The PR needs to be better.
The mobile version was coded from scratch by an entirely different team than BHVR. That's why they have different features than the PC/Console version.
I do wish they would recode the game. So many things could be added, like a match replay system, and bugs would likely be easier dealt with.
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@HugTechLover said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3608944#Comment_3608944
I’m sorry, but you’re not making any sense. They made him more skillful to play by removing a mechanic of skill expression?
Blight doesn’t have a high skill ceiling? lmao
That tells me all I need to know.
I'd argue Blight has a much lower skill ceiling with a controller, but what they said is nonsensical af!
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https://youtu.be/n6jER1zqsPM?si=7_fjOL0hpYlDKwYO
just gunna leave this right here.
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@GeneralV said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3609490#Comment_3609490
The Pale Rose., iirc.
Yeah it had that angled double tile thingy, with a couple of the docks on it. Several gens would spawn on the map's edges consistently. Now it's kinda rare to see one there.
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@mikewelk said:
Really sad to see, especially when it's coming from a Fog Whisperer. Just shows how powerless they are to improving DBD which is just silly. Most of his takes are accurate and reflect a majorities opinion but we need to fight here for BHVR to fix the stupidest things that are constantly shared online to no avail. Like what's even the point of providing innovative feedback if they just note it and forget about it because they are lazy. No other word for it, just laziness.
I have my own thoughts on the Fog Whisperer program, but it has seemed like they're all just store fronts & marketing for years now.
Part of Otz's frustration clearly comes from believing his feedback & suggestions have had little to no effect for a while now. I remember Tru saying the same years ago, back when he still was a Whisperer.
It boils down to thinking maybe you're making a difference and then getting that bitter disappointment feeling when you become sure you don't, and maybe never did.
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@Archol123 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3607858#Comment_3607858
Why would a map feel repetitive just because of its smaller size? Big maps are a huge issue for killers without mobility and the map size does not necessarily provide for problems with 3 gens, since they basically appear on all maps regardless of size.
Maps don't need to be super small, but they should also not be as big as mothers dwelling...
One of the Swamps used to be even bigger than Mother's Dwelling, back in the day.
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@GeneralV said:
What I believe is worse than the lack of innovation is how the content is being handled.
Look, I understand some of my opinions aren't popular and that many people do not share the love I have for the Old DBD, but surely everyone can see how some things weren't handled properly.
Take Billy, for example. No one asked for an overheat or for Billy to get nerfed, and he was.
No one asked for the style and overall atmosphere of the game to change completely, and it did.
Killer design is getting less and less creative, usually a repetition of anti-loop killers that you can only counter by holding W and pre-dropping pallets, while the older killers suffer with unnecessary changes.
Mix the lack of innovation with bad changes made to innovative content and you get DBD's current state.
Billy was their most balanced best designed killer back then. Everyone loved him. Fun to play, very fun to verse. All he needed was add-on tweaks and that was it. Now......
I certainly share your love of the old maps, the old game really. Miss it terribly. 💝
May or may not be currently watching Puppers potatoing as Ash with Noob3 against a Billy on the old blue Sheltered Woods.
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@Pulsar said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3609395#Comment_3609395
And I remember we were all so excited!
We couldn't wait to see where the game would go next, what they would do next.
That wouldn't be the year of Road Map goals left to wither away and die, would it? 🤪
I feel your frustration fam.
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@BOOTtoFACE said:
What did Otz say?
He was harsh in a most reasonable way, as he usually does when he's frustrated af.
Pointing out what he called "lack of ambition" for their game several times is really telling.
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@HugTechLover said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3601229#Comment_3601229
That’s what I’m saying. I get it 100%. My wife plays on my old Xbox and it takes forever for her to start up, and load in and out of lobbies, whereas it takes me a couple seconds at most.
My buddy with the new console loads in pretty fast.
Just older consoles getting old, and contemporary games getting harder for them to load.
Those numbers are on a Series X console
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@radiantHero23 said:
Some people will always sweat. Makes the matches where people meme and have fun all the more special. Just had a game of pig where all survivors tried to leave the gate with active head traps while sitting in snowmans.
Hilarious.
Got a clip of this? 🐽🐷
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@radiantHero23 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3609109#Comment_3609109
I'm working on it...
I know...
🐽🐷