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@NomiNomad said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2247448#Comment_2247448
Understandable, have a great day.
*Proceeds to Self-Care even though the killer has Sloppy Butcher*
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@The_BiggCheeze said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2246969#Comment_2246969
I feel like old killer powers would be a bit complicated given they'd have to change add ons and such to accommodate. Like they can't just add in old Freddy, It'd be too much work I think.
I doubt Old Freddy, Nurse, Doctor, Bubba and Billy are just...gone. Their assets must still be there.
I don't think it would take a lot of time to add them back in Custom games.
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@NomiNomad said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2247433#Comment_2247433
Couldn't be me.
No, it literally couldn't be me, I'm getting face-camped.
Please get out of the corner.
Need that Self-Care value, sorry bro. Should have looped better smh.
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Imagine doing gens...
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@Crowman said:
DCs are never justified. It's just a person rage quitting.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2247386#Comment_2247386
I had a killer DC yesterday, because I got a breakout save.
The last time I saw a killer DC was when I looped a Huntress until she was out of hatchets, then proceeded to stun her with a pallet:
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"You main Freddy
I hope you burn alive
Son of a #########!"
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@DoritoHead said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2247374#Comment_2247374
That would be amazing!
Indeed it would! And he would finally get a cosmetic.
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I don't even remember the last time I saw a killer doing that, to be honest...
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Blighted Freddy when?
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I am glad you asked :)
And finally, if I was an image:
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I think I have one.
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That isn't exactly proof that the game is killer-sided, because it isn't, but I gotta say that this RNG looks very painful.
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@MadLordJack said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2246046#Comment_2246046
If it's predropping less than half the pallets, I'm not so sure there's an issue. Otherwise we should be unironically nerfing Pig.
Unironically nerfing Pig are sad words by themselves.
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@YuisPinkBob said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2246681#Comment_2246681
Okay, well, it's not up to you. Also I have seen maybe two threads talking about old Freddy and you seem to be the most prominent poster on them both. So it's safe to say very few others appear to want him reverted.
To be fair, you've only visited the Forums 66 times. There is a huge possibility that you have missed many threads, including those related to him.
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Yes, please! We should be able to change everything in Custom Matches, from old killer powers to old maps.
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@Alphonse said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2246824#Comment_2246824
maybe we can do something about it, maybe we can make a petition about it, not bring back old ones?
I would sign it, of course, but I doubt it would work.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2246675#Comment_2246675
Except the hours of the people who reviewed the base game and the hours of the people who reviewed the DLC are not at all correlated (unless we're talking about a specific user who reviewed both; which we're not). You're making a huge assumtion here, unless you've personally cross-referenced every review for the base game and the DLC for one month after release of the chapter (which I doubt!).
I also "know" that a lot of the complaints WERE valid, regardless of playtime, because I was there at release and have also spoken to people who wrote reviews! You cannot take a specific anecdote and use it as fact like you're doing. That would be like me copy and pasting my own review here and saying "I am not the only one who knows this." It's 100% biased and completely ignores the bigger picture. Cherry picking evidence to suit your narrative doesn't work, which is why I'm looking at percentages and not individual reviews. Discrediting those that disagree with you based on playtime and supporting the ones that adhere to your views is simply confirmation bias.
They didn't at all ruin his power - they improved it. He's in a drastically better spot now than he was before and the reviews (along with his kill rate) support that. One month after the release of The Nightmare on Elm Street Chapter, almost half of the reviews (46%) were negative. Compare that to 31% of recent reviews being negative; a drop of 15%. I would be annoyed that they changed my favourite character but yes, it would absolutely be fair and square. It's entirely the developers' right to make alterations for the good of the game and in response to what the majority want. If that meant that my favourite character gets changed then so be it. I accepted that when I agreed to the EULA, as did you and every other player.
"Old Freddy mains were not taken into consideration" is quite possible the poorest argument I've heard to revert the rework. It has no substance as an actual reason and is so vague it could be applied to literally anything. I, for example, could say "Old Decisive Strike users were not taken into consideration - revert it!" It's really a meaningless point.
The thing is, they don't have to be. Many users who negatively reviewed the base game at the time, with very few hours of gameplay, mentioned the DLC, and that is enough proof. Reviews of the DLC itself are hard to know, unless they make it quite obvious that they are an inexperienced player, which is an unlikely possibility. Granted, I am talking about what I saw and heard about it, and we've spoken to different people, so there is that.
Also, I cannot deny that I am biased, but that is because we are talking about my all-time favourite character here. And no, my intention was not to disregard the opinions of those who disagree with me, but to take into consideration the opinion of those who truly knew what they were talking about, which cannot be applied to a large number of reviews. No matter the topic, you should never discuss something if you don't truly understand it.
While he is stronger, he is much less fun to play as. His identity is ruined, and we are stuck with nothing more than a generic power. Some people prefer to have fun than to win every single one of their matches. And trust me, it is easy to say that the changes were fair when it is not about your character. What you've said is pretty much what I've said when they changed Legion. It is fair, the EULA confirms it... until they ruin your favourite, that is.
Yes, that argument is vague. But is it really that hard to have some empathy towards those who liked him? Not saying you don't, because you do, but I am talking about the change itself. And there is a clear difference between DS (regarded as OP) and Freddy (regarded as weak).
@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2246681#Comment_2246681
Please by all means revert the statistically (I say with a grain of salt) strongest killer in the game to a weaker state and see what the community response is. I can guarantee it won't be good.
If I could, I would do it. The result would've surprised you, I guarantee.
Also, I apologise if anything I've said came out as aggressive or over the top. I just really miss my main, more than you could ever imagine.
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We all do, my friend. We all do.
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Sounds like fun! I think you should give it a try.
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@bjorksnas said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2246151#Comment_2246151
All I gave were some general thoughts thats not even the complete mockup
throwing on 40% or some amount of reduced gen time onto a killer in modern times is just an excuse to make them weak id rather just make a version that is strong enough to not need it but skill based enough to not be current freddy
To be honest, I like your idea! The only thing I may disagree with are the Alarm Clocks, they would make way too easy to wake up against a killer who can only hit you when you are asleep.
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@Yords said:
Because it would probably break the game if they tried to implement it. It would also be incredibly unbalanced and wild.
Well, we have dealt with unbalanced stuff for years. What is one more?
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@YuisPinkBob said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2246251#Comment_2246251
You can't say for definite that "precisely none" want MoM changed back - you don't know everyone's thoughts and opinions. I for one want it revisited because they trashed it.
Also regarding Freddy, it was mostly killer mains that asked for Freddy to be changed in the first place. With a lot of them having played Freddy and used his power. To say old Freddy was a beloved killer is a blatant lie since most people complained about him in his original state.
Plus, as I already said, have him back. Let him be changed. Just be prepared for the uproar of complaints again and him becoming a really weak killer. Because that is what will happen.
Ah, my friend, if it was up to me his rework wouldn't have lasted an hour. And, judging by the threads here, this "uproar" would never take place.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2246240#Comment_2246240
And you would know this how, considering DLC reviews on Steam do not display a user's playtime. Sounds to me like a baseless attempt to discredit people who had valid complaints about the chapter.
Freddy on release clearly wasn't "perfect" considering the tremendous outcry upon his release, so much so that he ended up being changed. The rework was not at all unfair. You bought content that was subject to change, knowing that it was subject to change: "From time to time, BHVR may provide you with updates or modifications to the Game. You understand that certain updates and modifications may be required in order to continue the use of the Game. You agree that BHVR may stop to support previous versions of the Game upon availability of an updated version." - The Dead by Daylight EULA that everyone has to sign before playing.
I'm sorry that the killer you "loved to play as" is gone, but that's simply the nature of games like Dead by Dayight. Balance changes happen in response to what the community wants, and the community largely did not enjoy the Old Freddy.
I know it because complaints were not restricted to the DLC: the base game also had its fair share and such reviews show your playtime. I know it because I've actually spoken to people who were there at the time, some of them even knew players who negatively reviewed the game and the DLC. And, as expected, less than 10 hours.
And I am not the only one who knows this. Example, here is a direct quote from a review:
"So lets go waaaaay back to when Freddy first dropped on October 26, 2017. Freddy was regarded as very very strong by people who, to be quite frank, were not good at the game. So two weeks after he dropped, BHVR nerfed him and they nerfed him hard."
Yes, the content was subject to change, but improving Freddy without ruining his power wouldn't take much. Besides, imagine if it was your favourite character, which I am guessing it is Nurse. Imagine if Nurse got a full rework and turned into a generic killer with a power that you don't like, not to mention that it goes against your preferred playstyle. Would you think it was "fair"? Would the EULA terms come to mind? I believe they would not.
Last but not least, it is okay if you don't like Old Freddy. I understand and respect your opinion. But it doesn't change the fact that us Old Freddy mains were not taken into consideration when this poor excuse of a rework happened and we most certainly deserve our killer back.
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@Northener1907 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2246147#Comment_2246147
Sorry bro but i do not think so. I know my killer well, i played all versions of Freddy but with new meta, your Freddy would be max C-Tier.
@GeneralV is also Freddy main and he had really good concept for Old Freddy. I would go for him. He can share if he see.
Thank you so much, my friends! I've done my best to come up with a perfect power for Freddy and I am glad to see that you like my concept.
As requested, here it is:
Power: Dream Demon
Pull survivors into the Dream World
-Survivors who are awake do not see The Nightmare.
-Once targeted by The Nightmare’s power, survivors enter the Dream Transition for 7 seconds.
-The Nightmare’s Movement Speed Penalty for putting a survivor into the Dream Transition lasts for 1 second.
-During the Dream Transition Survivors can see The Nightmare intermittently and they suffer from the Incapacitated status effect.
-When the Dream Transition Lapse, the Survivor is pulled into the Dream World.
Once in the Dream World:
-Survivor’s auras are revealed to The Nightmare when they are outside of his terror radius.
-Survivors suffer an action speed penalty of 40%.
-To exit the Dream World, Survivors can find non-sleeping Survivors to perform a wake up action.
-Failed Generator Skill Checks can also wake up.
-Hooked Survivors wake up.
Special Ability: Dream Projection
-Teleport to a Generator in view. Releasing the button early will cancel the action.
-Survivors cannot interact with the targeted Generator.
-For each Survivor in the Dream World, the cool-down of using Dream Projection is reduced by stack-able 20%.
“You have nothing to worry about. This won’t hurt one… little… bit.” -Freddy Krueger
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How can I forget our good ole' maps? I miss all of them.
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@YuisPinkBob said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2245988#Comment_2245988
That's what happens whenever they change a perk or power. There will always be a group of people unhappy about the new change and wanting it to be reverted. But, with Freddy especially, that's not going to happen. In his original state he was very weak and the reason he got changed was due to the overwhelmingly negative response and complaints about him from killer mains. This will just happen again if he is changed back.
Personally, go for it, change him back, I'm all for easy games against a Freddy.
That argument is not exactly right, in my opinion. MoM was changed long ago for being broken, how many people want it back? Precisely, none.
Freddy on release was a very good killer, which demanded a unique playstyle, and extremely lethal when truly mastered. Complaints came from people who did not understand him, who didn't want to learn to play as and against him. Laziness, to put it plainly.
For many of us, Old Freddy was a beloved killer and we deserve him back.
We need him back.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2246069#Comment_2246069
To be honest, this.
The response to his launch was overwhelmingly negative and that resulted in him being reworked (and rightly so). Going back to a version that was so hated (for a lot of valid reasons) would be nonsensical.
That is not right. Most of the early reviews came from people with less than 10 hours of gameplay because of the free weekend, people who should not review a game at all.
Freddy on release was literally perfect, and did not require a change at all. The devs ignored this obvious fact and nerfed him, creating the Old Freddy that most of us know. Much stronger than perceived to be, but in need of buffs and QoL imrpovements.
Not to mention that his rework was extremely unfair to Old Freddy mains, such as myself. That was the killer I loved to play as, that was the killer I paid for, that was my favourite killer and I want him back.
It is about time we get our old killer back.
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@Yords said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2245036#Comment_2245036
So basically old Freddy but updated a bit? I honestly feel that this isn't what he needs. His dream projection could easily be used to hold 3 gen scenarios as good as doctor, maybe even better and the dream transition would just really hurt him, it is why Freddy was so weak before. I think the devs should just change how his snares work so that they are more complex and interesting in game.
I don't think so, my friend. The Dream Transition never hurt him, what did hurt him was his inability to prevent survivors from finishing things right in his face, which would not happen here thanks to the Incapacitated status effect.
Also, I don't see a probably with the Dream Projection being used to hold a 3 gen. Such scenario is the survivor's fault after all.
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What about needles?
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I agree with you on this one, my friend.
Also I am pretty sure you've already seen what my concept for a Freddy change is, but here we go:
Power: Dream Demon
Pull survivors into the Dream World
-Survivors who are awake do not see The Nightmare.
-Once targeted by The Nightmare’s power, survivors enter the Dream Transition for 7 seconds.
-The Nightmare’s Movement Speed Penalty for putting a survivor into the Dream Transition lasts for 1 second.
-During the Dream Transition Survivors can see The Nightmare intermittently and they suffer from the Incapacitated status effect.
-When the Dream Transition Lapse, the Survivor is pulled into the Dream World.
Once in the Dream World:
-Survivor’s auras are revealed to The Nightmare when they are outside of his terror radius.
-Survivors suffer an action speed penalty of 40%.
-To exit the Dream World, Survivors can find non-sleeping Survivors to perform a wake up action.
-Failed Generator Skill Checks can also wake up.
-Hooked Survivors wake up.
Special Ability: Dream Projection
-Teleport to a Generator in view. Releasing the button early will cancel the action.
-Survivors cannot interact with the targeted Generator.
-For each Survivor in the Dream World, the cool-down of using Dream Projection is reduced by stack-able 20%.
“You have nothing to worry about. This won’t hurt one… little… bit.” -Freddy Krueger
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@humanbeing1704 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2244979#Comment_2244979
especially if he's leaning also I dislike going against ghost caught on tape users
Well, I don't like going against Ghostface in general :)
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@humanbeing1704 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2244950#Comment_2244950
ghostface is so weirdly designed imo
Sure is! His PTB version was literally the weakest killer in Dead by Daylight's history and his current version is just broken.
Not "OP" broken, but "why can't I reveal him" broken
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Don't forget his sunglasses!
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That is what the trailer suggested, actually.
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The best was either Old Billy or Freddy on release.
The worst... either Twins or Legion. And Ghostface, obviously.
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@Lucent said:
He needs something to make him interesting to play for both sides. He is just so boring. I didn't get the chance to play him on release, wish i did.
Freddy on release was, without a shadow of a doubt, his best version.
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To be honest, I think the only change Freddy truly needs is his on-release version back.
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@HaunterofShadows said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2244857#Comment_2244857
Idk we've got multiple saying he's no skill now. Yep looking at forum posts its no longer spirit takes no skill its wraith takes no skill
Well, same has been said about Freddy, Bubba, and perhaps even others. At this point, such complaints are hardly a surprise.
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Played some survivor today, at Rank 3, and the killer I've faced the most was Nurse. That is hardly a surprise.
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Not so sure. He is stronger now, granted, but just as beatable as he always was.
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Oh, I am happy for you my friend. It is always nice to have some good trials from time to time. I myself had a lot of luck today!
Except a camping Bubba, but we don't talk about that.
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The devs changing something purely because of complaints? Ah, my friend, if only our voice was that powerful...
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@Phasmamain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2244324#Comment_2244324
Ghostface actually has none as of right now
Yeah, if his broken reveal mechanic fails him then he has nothing.
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@Hex_Ignored said:
But isn't it a requirement to have some form of anti loop in this game? I mean even wraith got a little bit of anti loop with his extended lunge. Old freddy is just m1 knife hand man in this regard or am I forgetting something?
Not when the killer in question is one which shouldn't chase that often. Also, the first hit as Freddy was almost always free, so there is that.
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@Haddix said:
Old freddy needs to return :)
The rework was a failure. Way too easy to use, super uninspired, and not fitting to Freddy Krueger at all.
Yes, our killer does need to return. The feedback is here. It should be only a matter of time.
Not saying it will be a matter of time, but it should be.
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@kassamell said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2243210#Comment_2243210
The trial was great- I think it was a hag and we had a 3 escape
Oh, I am glad to know.
And your comment was a curse. I literally just got camped by a Hag. It was not fun.
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@Starr43 said:
It’s me... the broken record again.. so I’ll keep it short.
Original Freddy with the dream pull mechanic was significantly more enjoyable than reworked Freddy. Original Freddy needed a little love to improve the overall experience of playing as him or against him but the rework removed essentially everything that made Freddy a blast.. at least in my opinion.
And your opinion is 100% correct!
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@PyroGL said:
I think a lot of posters in this thread are remembering old Freddy with rose tinted glasses... The inability to interact with survivors prior to pulling them into dream state was a complete sh*tshow and constantly resulted in Freddy waiting for the transition to finish before being allowed to attack, grab, etc. Y'all can't possibly want that back.
That is why I've suggested the Incapacitated status effect for the Transition. Such a simple fix.
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@I_am_Negan said:
If Bubba is face to face with the survivor on the hook he's face camping.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/WP85OYYB8Y00/image.png
If he's standing in the corner with insidious he's just a camping bubba.
Sad thing is, both will get you killed.
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@Yords said:
bruhh I literally have a freddy thread about his nerf in the works rn, I was going to touch on why his nerfs were misguided, mind if I still post it?
I would say go for it! The more we speak, the higher is the chance of the devs realising that reverting his rework is the only logical thing to do.