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@Pulsar said:
No, I will not.
I think he looks like an overall worse Huntress on the PTB. His reload is punishing, anything with Deep Wounds is lackluster, but most importantly; as a console player, I just don't think another precision Killer is something I am interested in.
Pretty much I felt the same way looking at gameplay of him.
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@ClickyClicky said:
As you say it’s only used by bad players. The wirse a killer is the more convinced you become that they have NOED because NOED means that they’ve never had to learn how to play the game.
It stomps solo and is useless against a 4 man swf which is ridiculous because you’d want the oerk more for the 4 man groups co-ordinating genrush and all getting that adrenaline instaheal. These killers don’t care though because they dc or lobby dodge vs swf anyway and continue to stomp solos with NOED.
I think they’re shooting themselves in the foot. I think NOED is inflating the kill rate and denying certain killers buffs.
Used by "bad players"
Yeah sure, I just have a perfect example where that isn't the case.
I played doctor with Green Obedience add on, and Purple Restraint add on, and I was on the Sanctum of Wrath Map (One of the massive Survivor-side maps).
After hooking 1 survivor, 1st gen popped in the first 50 seconds
After hook 4 more survivors, 2 gens popped.
After hooking 2 survivors, 1 gen popped
After killing 1 survivor, the last gen popped.
The gens were finished in 5 to 6 minutes, and each chase ranged from 30 sec to 50 sec. And 1 survivor was death hook while the other two survivors need another hook before death hook.
NOED did give me the ability to punish the fact they did no totems what so ever. The only way I was able to 4k the survivors with NOED, was because the survivors were too altruistic.
This match is the perfect example of where no matter how fast I downed the survivors, gens kept getting pumped out. NOED just punished the survivors not doing totems, and basically rushing the gens.
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@imlegion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1102196#Comment_1102196
My point was and still is it’s op just like noed it rewards bad play
It's not OP, a survivor can now finish 2-5 gens before he can even use that power.
Also his add on decreases his movement speed. If you get catch by a MM walking with a decreased movement speed (worse than huntress movement speed). It means that 1. the survivor was bad, 2. The killer played smart and brought you to a deadzone or 3. There are no pallets left
Seriously, a tombstone myers is probably the easiest killer to loop due to that hes slower with the tombstone add on.
If its the tombstone piece, it still the same situation except he doesn't have a reduced movement speed, and loses tier 3 after killing a survivor, which makes him more vulnerable to get gen rushed.
Myers has the most balanced add ons in the entire game.
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@imlegion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1100084#Comment_1100084
And it’s fair that Mikey has a add on that kills you before you even get your first hook? Nah bro start looking at your addons and stuff you killer have every advantage you just get caught up in a moment get preassured and ######### when your ass get handed to you
Yet that same add on requires a lot of stalk to get to tier 3, and by that time you lost 2-3 gens just trying to get into tier 3.
Also when playing tombstone myers, you get punished if you don't hook them.
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@csandman1977 said:
Correct me if im wrong but i think DCing took off to abusive levels when people realized if they dcd enough against certain killers, those killers would get changed.
Yep, and a lot of streamers abused the DC system, as well as some survivors.
They figured this out when the DCed a lot against old Legion, and BHVR said some thing along the lines of due to the amount of DCing, they will look into the killer.
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@AceOfSpades1773 said:
Let me start off with the fact that I am not a good killer. I suck at them but I like playing them. Recently, it seems I can only get Red Rank Survivors, most oftenly Rank 1 Survivors. I am Rank 10 as of right now, and I can barely play cause of this. I'm constantly getting rolled by whoever I play against no matter who I play as. I wish they'd fix this already, aren't survivors supposed to be at max 5 ranks above you? Is there any tips for how I should adapt to this?
Actually the ranking is +-6 ranks, but imo that's pretty unfair, and it should be +- 4. I don't get how a rank 13 player can face a rank 7 player and call that balanced mm under the +-6 rank rule. Heck even a rank 10 facing against a rank 4 killer/survivor (red ranks) under the +-6 rule.
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@Zagrid said:
The game is in such a poor technical state for both bugs and issues with the dedicated servers (hey there hit boxes), and in a poor state balance wise with some things being so under powered and somethings being super over powered, DC penalties don't make any sense.
First ask, why do people DC. Well you might think out of rage for something but I think most of the time when someone rage quits it is not something another player did, it is something *the game* did to them.
So to cut to the chase and avoid a super long post. Instead of adding punishments for DCing actually fix the things causing people to DC.
Can they fix them all, probably not. But there are a good few that could definitely be fixed within a week.
Like disabling Ormond and Haddonfield until the map team can get around to reworking those into playable maps.
DC penalties are a necessary evil. Yes, ther are technical bugs such as infinite loading screen, and what @Sairek mentioned, but there are a lot of players DCing because of something unfun.
Heck just recently, my obsession DCed when I was about to rancor him to complete the rancor challenge.
DC penalties are needed, and it sucks when you crash during loading or mid game, and have to wait out the timer, but it's still better than getting screwed over by a salty survivor or killer, when playing as a killer and/or survivor.
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@neekocheeko said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1079589#Comment_1079589
Yeah it sucks for both sides. Killers have to resort to "no fun" tactics while survivors do the same. Stuck in vicious cycles and all that. Real bummer how the game is right now.
I agree, but honestly, I don't blame killers who camp or tunnel now as at this point with no real early game slowdown perk, killers are no required to at least camp or tunnel a survivor just to be able to manage the gen times.
The Ruin nerf came at a bad time, and the killer community basically said, enough is enough. And they began to stop playing nice.
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@GHOSTfaceP3 said:
I can’t wait till they do a nurse archive lol
Lol they probably won't do it for awhile as the Devs know they trashed the Nurse hard, and if people played her and see how trashed she got, there would be some kind of uproar.
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No, Disturbed Ward is a big map, and has argueably the worst totem spots in the game (seriously there are footage and pictures of lit totems in the open with no cover at all), and that the middle house is riddled with safe pallets and windows. Sure you can break those pallets, but it requires a good amount of time to do that, which as a killer you don't have. It's a map I despise so much.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.deadbydaylight.com%2Fen%2Fdiscussion%2Fcomment%2F738386&psig=AOvVaw0_iLgxHeyO1YUp9DJb2JId&ust=1581387235060000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCPjz-db0xecCFQAAAAAdAAAAABADHere's an image/DBD post of one of the totem spots
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Usually when playing against a streamer swf group, especially when I see 4 survivors spawned together, I just assume the worst and pull out my ebony mori, and tryhard add ons.
I'm sorry but if I see 3 to 4 survivors spawn together, I'm not taking any chances.
Now if a single streamer or a 2-man swf streamer, I just play normally and treat them as another player(s).
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@Proxi said:
The thing is yes nurse was very strong before.. but nobody really played her.. even in her superior days I barely saw a nurse at rank 1!
I feel like the nerf probably was deserved but you overdid it.
Having to walk so slow when no blinks are available makes her unplayable.
The changes to her addons already did the work in my opinion.
No more multiple blinks and no omegablinks.. thats already a big cutback to her former strength..
Honestly I'd love to see how nurse did without the change to her skill but with the nerfed addons.
I'd say she would be pretty fine!
The add on nerf was deserved, not the basekit thou. Many killers and survivors, including myself, said that the problem was the add ons, not the basekit. People who complained about the basekit, usually were people who complained about god nurses.
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@Fibijean said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1075634#Comment_1075634
That is only one person's experience, though. 100 matches by one person is actually a super unreliable statistic, and therefore dangerous to draw any conclusions off. The stats that the devs go off are for all regions and platforms, which is the kind of scope they need to make balancing decisions, because all their players will be affected by anything they do. That one guy might have found BT in 67% of his matches, but overall it might only be used, say, 30% of the time. We just don't know. The only fair way to compare other perks to Ruin's usage statistics is to get statistics on those perks from the same source, which we simply don't have access to.
Sure it may not be a reliable source, but it gives us at least a rough estimate
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@Fibijean said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1074446#Comment_1074446
Could you link me to the stats you're getting that number from?
It was from that guy who tested 100 matches, but it only included DS, and BT, which went doing the calculations, BT was used 67 to 68% and DS was used over 70%.
I'll try to find that forum, but it does give somewhat of a rough estimate
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I'm just gonna leave this here:
If you get the reference, good for you
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@ZoneDymo said:
"So, after two weeks, maybe a bit more, I can say that I saw ruin in maybe 10% of the games, at the most."
yeah.... that was the point..... this is a success.
When you give players a ton of options and yert 50% runs A, then somehting is wrong.
They made Ruin a more generic perk to use, that was always the point.
So pretty much DS, BT, DH, and Adrenaline should all be nerfed, considered they are used more than 50% at red ranks.
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@Dreamnomad said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1074403#Comment_1074403
Good thing both of you aren't in charge of this game. That's an awful idea. This would truly be abused. What is to stop the survivor from staying injured and running around and harassing the killer with a flashlight?
…. you realize if they are injured, they can't work on gens, and that's the main point. If they want to stay injured, they won't be able to work on gens. And if they try to harass the killer, well being injured won't help as they will just be slugged.
It's a good idea because if the survivor isn't being tunnel, but wants his DS to be activated, he has to literally do nothing, but chase the killer, which works in the benefit of the killer.
@Auron471 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1074416#Comment_1074416
oh yeah, that too. I forgot to add that.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1074403#Comment_1074403
only if the DS goes away if another person gets hooked.
Well if you add that condition, it would require DS to have its timer removed or have its timer stopped when slugged.
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@[Deleted User] said:
Well, I mean it would be crazy to not think they won't nerf his ability to literally just face camp people to death with 0 counter-play whatsoever. There is no way that is not getting dealt with in the remake process.
I imagine that other than that however, it will be buffs all around, unless BHVR mucks it up lol.
I mean a perfect example of BHVR mucking up a killer is literally Legion, the mending exploit and moonwalk exploit could have been easily fixed without destroying the killer, but BHVR went nerf or nothing, and then they decided to nerf him again when Nurse was nerfed.
I expect them to do the same to Bubba.
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@flufflypillow said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1073912#Comment_1073912
Do you have any proof? Ppl are saying that everyone stopped playing killer, but I’m kinda getting confused on how big that number is. I’m on ps4 and I’m able to find lobby’s pretty quick. I’m assuming it’s just pc killers that are leaving?? I just wanna know how many people stopped playing killer cause to me nothing as changed. I’m just confused tbh
The proof is the queue times, currently when playing as a survivor at rank 1, I get about 20 minute to 40 minute queue times, whereas the killer queue times are instant.
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@LetsPlayTogether said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1073825#Comment_1073825
It's not really a nerf. Your just not supposed to get a key per game for sure.
Lol remember monto's plundered video where he pulled about 4-6 keys in one map just by using plundered's?
But honestly, yeah plundered's shouldn't grant you an increased chance to get a key.
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@Auron471 said:
"Just dont tunnel" intensifies
But honestly i think DS should just be like this:
Can be used multiple times. If the survivor is fully healed, or touches a generator, DS deactivates. DS cannot activate during the EGC.
Problem solved.
Honestly, that's a fair, and balanced idea. It makes DS a truly anti-tunnel perk, and can be used it multiple times if being tunneled off hook. If there is a timer on it, I would say have it at 100 to 120 sec.
pretty much +1 overall
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@Blueberry said:
Definitely doesn't need a rework.
He just needs his Undetectable, addons and portals improved.
Also his sounds, I can seriously here his footsteps, and he's super loud.
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@LordGlint said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1071716#Comment_1071716
Theres counters to both sides. Slugging is countered by unbreakable, while aura reading perks like OoO is countered by blindness perks/addons or the undetectable status effect. DS counters tunneling (and then some, lol) while exhaustion perks like blood echo, or exhaustion addons like Clown's Solvent jug counter exhaustion perks like Dead hard. I could go on with a dozen more examples if you want.
That being said, both sides also have things that dont really have counters to them. Survivors arn't gonna be able to counter something like agitation for example since its just a sort of self buff and not really for interacting with a survivor. Same can be said for survivor buffing perks like botany knowledge. While you can attempt to hinder what the perks are providing by using sloppy butcher against the botany knowledge or body blocking a killer using agitation with more blows than if the killer DIDNT have agitation... both perks are still having a positive gain to their users.
Well the difference is that if a survivor matched DS+Unbreakable together, it's essentially uncounterable, where you cant even touch him. Where as if I did ruin + surveillance, both are easily counter, where you break the totem, keep on the gen, and fake out the highlighted gen.
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@terumisan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1065936#Comment_1065936
I hope last year comes out on console
I hope the same at this point, the Devs won't be able to save DBD with them having a monopoly. Last Year needs to succeed as it would be a direct competitor to DBD, which would cause the Devs to actually put effort and try making the game balanced for once, and add new game modes.
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@AvisDeene said:
Decided to jump on the topic before another certain forum member posts it! 😁
I just started using it and it is so wonderful seeing survivors panic when they get insta-downed. It sucks though, since more often than not, the totems spawns out in the open. I found that it is best used with Hag and probably Trapper(with good add-ons) since they can defend the totems if they're in a corner.
Well last time I even attempted to use devour hope, I got no use from it as it would be destroyed after 30 sec to 2 min. Honestly, I would try it out if I knew I would have any use from it.
Also that right when i'm about to reach 24m mark, survivor gets saved.
Honestly NOED feels like a better perk as survivors rarely do dull totems, amking it so I get a use out of it compared to Devour Hope.
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@korean_zombie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1065724#Comment_1065724
that can’t be. I don’t know a lot about the studio but this game is their golden goose right?
BHVR got lucky with DBD, look at deathgarden, its basically a wasteland and a dead game, because the Devs don't know how to balance.
I'm really hoping Last Year gets more players, as BHVR really needs some competition to stop being lazy. Heck Last Year are doing bug fixes every week, whereas it takes a patch or midpatch to fix some bugs.
BHVR's monopoly in this genre needs to end, or BHVR kills DBD like they did to deathgarden. So far, it looks like Devs are going with option #2
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@Blueberry said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1062739#Comment_1062739
Yes, all those perks give you second chances at life for failing and asking absolutely nothing of you.
I'm not saying NOED is unbalanced, it's completely fair. What I am saying is that it's unheallthy design in that just like those survivor perks it gives you a second chance for failing and asking nothing skillful of you.
Well DS+Unbreakable is essentially uncounterable, whereas NOED can be taken out before it even activates.
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@mike4156 said:
This isn't a post to complain about NOED, but rather just to question why bad killers use it as a crutch. Most of the time resulting in their only kill. It's just certain days I go on this luck streak of killers who are SO BAD, i literally just ran an oni for 5 minutes around 1 pallet, we all **** on this guys life, tbagging blinding pallet slamming lmaoo. Then mister no skill killer has the audacity to be running NOED. lets be honest that you aren't even going to get far with that when 4 survivors are better than you. You're admiting you're a bad killer seeing as half the killers have 1 shot abilities they can get standard (M2). Needless to say he didn't kill anyone.
Next match, boy was this a funny one, a trapper with NOED who couldn't even loop. Every time he wanted to try to swing at the pallet and let me slam him. It's hard to take this guy seriously and then he gets 1 hook all game, guess what perk he's playing with? NOED LOL
Go ahead keep using it it's rather amusing, rules of survival, unless the killers complete garbage just let the random die on NOED, OR take a look in the most immediate areas to check really quickly, don't feed these bums, I'm perfectly fine with killers not developing skill through means of NOED to get 1 - 2 kills .
A major issue in this game is how people prioritize killing someone even if it means on the first hook. This I don't understand unless you truely don't care about even bloodpoints. Pips don't stand for anything unless you like having a challenge every single time in red ranks, even at purple ranks now u get gold and gray killers on ps4. Hell you even get linked with gold and gray survivors who would rather watch you loop for 5 minutes instead of doing generators. Even so with dumb survivors and a dumb killer with NOED 1-2 experienced survivors is all it takes to change those matches.
This perk is the biggest hurdle in the game toward survivors , to be fair it always has been, i think I'd rather have this reworked than ruin, ruin was bareable, although admittedly it was the cause of disaster in a lot of games. Why should No One Escapes Death work on every survivor multiple times until its cleansed, depending on what level of NOED you have should be how many times you can use it;
MY PROPOSAL ON HOW N.O.E.D. SHOULD BE:
( NOED Tier 1 - You get a 1 hit down on 1 survivor, only works 1 time)
(NOED Tier 2 - You get a 1 hit down on 2 survivors, only works 1 time on each selected survivor)
(NOED Tier 3 - You get a 1 hit down on 3 survivors, only works 1 time on each selected survivor)
There's absolutely no reason u need a crutch bigger than 3 free M1 1 shots.
Please I hope the Devs see this idea, its much more balanced, especially for super low rank noobie survivors who don't know where to look for totems, or that the situation calls for them to just escape rather than rescue.
New survivors can get small game from the web, which basically counters Noed.
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@sluc16 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1061915#Comment_1061915
Saying "just do totems" is not a solution as most of the players base are solo players. Survivor cannot be running around waisting time without knowing if there are still totems left or all are already broken.
For this to be actually a valid argument, there should be a totem counter in the game.
Or run the perk small game, seriously there is a perk out there made for totems. Small game should add a totem counter thou.
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I'd rather not have my ping and my game become a lag feast because of a vpn.
@Mandy said:
Without the profile of the person and proof from your ISP that your network was cut as a result of an attack there's nothing we can do.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1060116#Comment_1060116
Because the game is now on Dedicated Servers, this does not work with Steam any longer - because there's no connection to one another, which does raise the question of how someone can get the relevant information to attack someone else's internet.
Idk how he did it if that's the cause, maybe he accessed my steam account after the game? Idk how exactly people get Ip addresses through steam
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@Nomadd said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1059347#Comment_1059347
Yeah, well, I still think if one-two survivors are blocking the killer and he refuses to hit them he's the one who's toxic. And if he eventually hits one of them and still goes after me, once I'm much further away, than the person he's just hit, he's double toxic and stupid. Best option? Alright, but I think I'm not best option if I'm being blocked/protected and he has to put more effort to maneuver around other survivors rather than hit one and switch target.
But hey, I admit, I'm not good at this game. Plus I don't like toxicity, I prefer having fun than sweat and tryhard (in game without rewards especially) and I hate trash-talking after the game so... yeah, I'll just go back to other games, thanks for your answers.
You realize the game for killer is the quicker you take a survivor out of the game, the better chance the killer has at winning? You have DS which basically gives you 60 sec of immunity, and expecting the killer to play fair is out of the window. Killers warned what happened the moment Ruin was announced to be nerfed, and the Devs didn't listen so this is the result.
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@ScottJund said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1059722#Comment_1059722
I've noticed the slug thing very frequently. Super fun having Claudette slugged in dark grass with 0 sounds.
Lol not as fun as having a p3 slugged claudette at Sanctum of Wrath. She basically bled out as I couldn't hear her or find her at all.
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@LetsPlayTogether said:
Slugging isnt outplaying survivors. Its outdoing basic game mechanics and just scummy play as killer. The only thing that needs to be fixed is that slugging shouldnt be possible like it actually is. Its not fun to lay on the ground half the game til a sweaty killer got his "will".
Imagine there was a perk that could let you get up when you are slugged? Oh wait its called unbreakable.
Seriously grow up, Devs said to slug to use pressure, and no that Ruin is nerfed, killers won't play "nice" anymore so grow a pair kid.
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@Liruliniel said:
Dev's said apply gen pressure, switch to surv, or play Civilization. Apparently people are bad killers.
Sadly that's what the Devs are calling killers at this point, "Bad Players" who should learn to chase and pressure gens at the same time. Worst part is that they may reduce the synergy with slowdown perks, I believe that would indeed basically kill the killer population or cause a huge killer strike if they even do that.
@Liruliniel said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1059358#Comment_1059358
No idea honestly. Just bad luck, but the Devs want it balanced around a 2k and expect a killer to lose 1 to 2 gens beforehand. From my guessing though it seems you didn't apply pressure by letting the chase linger on too long.
The OP said that it was a very quick chase, and after hooking him, 3 gens popped. Myer's Haddonfield map essentially makes chases last longer, so I don't think there really was anyway for him to get a quicker down, unless the survivors are potatoes or the survivor makes a huge mistake.
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@Talmeer said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1058330#Comment_1058330
The change on one perk is for many people, I guess, not the problem.
It is just... In 1 patch is a nerf, in the next patch is a nerf, in another next patch... 1 time the bucket will be full. It is just natural.
Pretty much me, the fact the Devs do nerfs, as well as ignore feedback, and nerfs an important perk, without addressing the core issue, pretty much caused me to camp, tunnel, slugg, and basically play moris. Ruin nerf basically broke the straw on the camels back for me, in which I basically play for myself at this point.
Currently, I held back on the moris, and playing a bit more fair due to a bet my friend made on who gets to rank 1 faster, and winner gets 10 bucks, and so far I already got DDosed by a salty survivor who got mad by me slugging, which is already making me think if I should concede the challenge as I think my mental health is deteriorating based on the sweat and challenge.
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@Pulsar said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/126496/survivor-ddosed-me-after-slugging-him-for-a-4k
I'm not entirely sure how to help. I would suggest filing a report, but you don't have his name, correct?
Yes, I don't know his name
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@Peanits Is there anything I can do to find out who DDos me to report them? (I play on PC)
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@katoptris said:
If you're on console check under recent players. For pc unfortunately i wouldn't know.
Sadly, I play on PC, so I really don't know who I recently played with
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Also if anyone has advice on how to find the username of the person who DDOSed me would be greatly appreciated.
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@Elk said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1057454#Comment_1057454
On PS4 when I see 'so and so invited you into a group' I think "Let's add another to the pile." Also good luck in getting to red ranks first, so you can get that 10 bucks. Remember this is what you are fighting for.
Thxs so far my friend is a rank higher, so I may bust out my Iri king, and Iri queen combo to catch up.
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@twistedmonkey said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1057399#Comment_1057399
They also said they are looking at toolboxes.
The problem with any slowdown or speed up perks/item is that they change the core game speed so it makes it harder to see what exaclty need done.
Then of course you have players who will camp anyway even with all that.
Its not just about survivors fun or no perk/item for survivor would have ever been changed. Every change that has happened to survivor was for the killers fun in reality but some will only see the most recent changes and jump on a bandwagon of saying this while ignoring all changes which came before it to both sides.
Sure they are looking at toolboxes, but they are also metioning that they may reduce the synergy with slow-down perks. I'm sorry, but what the ######### were they smoking when they said this. Literally slow-down perks are needed to make the game last longer.
I'm seriously questioning if the Devs are actively trying to kill their own game
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@Elk said:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/066/E05DVQERUM5S.gif
So many. (Happy sigh) Last night, apparently i was wall hacking as Doctor with level 3 Restraint, Queen. With the perks Bitter Murmur, Whispers, No Ed and Dying Light. Restraint is probably what made them think that.
I got something similar, except its way more sad considering the rank I was at. I played doctor with Green Obedience add on, and a Purple Order add on running the perks, Pop, Destressing, Whispers, and BBQ n Chili. And basically no matter how quick I downed them, the pumped out gens so I resorted to slugging 3 survivors, and using static blast to find the last guy. I saw scratchmarks near a few lockers and I checked one, found him hooked him , and hooked the rest.
The end game chat was filled with "Toxic Slugger", "Using Crutch Perks" (Note they had DS, BT, Adrealine, and DH), "Using Crutch Add ons" (Seriously, they had a key, and 3 green toolboxes..., and 3 of those survivors were SWF), "Tunneler", "Gen Camper", Bad Killer" etc., but the unusual and sad part was the guy I found in the locker called me a "Wall hacker", and he attempted to deny to leaving scratchmarks. Note: these guys are rank 1-3 survivors against a green rank 9 (I'm working my way to red ranks again because a friend challenged me who could get there the fastest from yellow ranks, and the winner gets 10 bucks).
Honestly the end game chat for moment made me think the PS4 community was less toxic than this.
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I'll just post what I said in another thread:
For me it wasn't Ruin itself that makes me quit. It's the fact that they nerfed Ruin without address the issue of gens and/or maps, and the fact that the nerf was based on frustrations to play against as a new survivor and people who cant hit skill checks. That's what was putting me off.
And yeah you are right I wasn't enjoying it in the first place, I played DBD since January 2018, and I was having a good time till around Apiril of 2019, when the Legion "rework" (aka the gutting of Legion) happened. The fact that the devs were beginning to ignore feedback, was the start of the unenjoyment of the game. I started playing less and less over time until the Nurse nerf happened, where no feedback was even considered. That was the big kicker for me, and that was when I starting playing the game like twice a week and playing a few matches before being burnt out. The Oni, and the second Legion nerf (seriously nerfing an already gutted killer) just added fuel to the fire, since Devs sill didn't listen to feedback. The Hex: Ruin nerf and the fact they didn't address the issue was the straw that broke the camels back.
I'm already playing multiple games that are enjoying, such as War Thunder, Bo1, Bo2, and Bo3 zombies, and I'm planning to play Last Year.
TLDR: It wasn't the Ruin nerf, but the fact the core issue wasn't address, and the fact since April of 2019, the Devs ignored feedback and just listen to new players.
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@Raptorrotas said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1051845#Comment_1051845
Didnt the nerfs already include "appears ~0.3 seconds earlier" ?
Yep, which still is a minor nerf.
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Honestly the Devs could have done this in a different way, the main complaints about the Nurse were literally Omega 3-Blink nurse, and Omega blink nurse, and 3-5 blink Nurse.
If I were a Dev, instead of doing what the current Devs did, I would have first changed the add ons and leave the basekit alone, and test that for 2-4 months (And actually hire some veteran players to do additional testing). If she was still OP after that, then I would have added a cooldown or let nurse appear for survivors first, before the nurse actually did by 0.5 sec, and keep testing from there.
This is what the Devs should have done, but instead they decided to stack too many nerfs at once, and once the results came out that Nurse was worse off than before, they stop doing any more testing, and left her as it is.
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@brokedownpalace said:
Because people don't want to take the time to learn her.
Yeah, not like the effort needed is massive compared to the reward you get, previous the effort you put into old basekit Nurse gave you a nice reward of being able to punish people who play with 1 style (aka only looping), which means the effort put in = the reward you get.
Now its the opposite where there is too much effort and too little reward, currently an addon less nurse can be outrun by survivors in a straight even after two blinks. She's literally an add on dependent killer in order to get map pressure and survivors. Old basekit Nurse was balanced as like Spirit, she required a different type of playstyle. Nurse is also very unfun to play as each cooldown feels like a punishment for just blinking, the fatigue was enough. Basically the effort put in >> the reward you get.
Before the Nurse nerf, my two favorite killers to go against were literally Nurses and Spirits as the required a different playstyle instead of mindlessly looping. It actually provided a challenge, instead of, "Oh let me just loop this killer around a pallet, and rely on my second chance perks when I make a mistake". Both the old basekit Nurse and spirit made those second chance perks not as effective and game changing, and required skill to play against.
Old basekit Nurse didn't need a nerf, instead her add ons needed a nerf, which the majority of people said was the problem. The old basekit nurse was balanced as there was counterplay.
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@Respectfulnancymain said:
Isnt that when double pallet jungle gyms were a thing so how did they 4k? The game must have been very hard
Killers had to rely on survivors mistakes, its still the same case today, but its just a little bit more balanced.
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@Danielgdp3 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1044787#Comment_1044787
It doesn't remove it all it does is reduce it, she still has some of the best map pressure in the game
No she doesn't, killers like billy and spirit have way better map pressure than this nurse. Old basekit nurse, yeah she had the best map pressure, but she doesn't now considering to actually get some form of map pressure you can only blink once to keep a blink for a chase.
Literally a survivor can outrun a nurse in a straight line without add ons. Imagine making the strongest killer in the game needing add ons in order to catch a survivor holding W in a straight line.
Spirit and Billy are stronger than the Nurse now.
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@Eye66 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1037186#Comment_1037186
It's almost entirely being outplayed, survivors expect to escape every match because it's so easy and getting downed is surprising. It's never about how the survivors could play better, it's "how the killer be weakened to not get me in thaf situation?"
Pretty much its accepted at this point, that the only way a killer can get downs, hooks, and kills is literally by survivor mistakes, except for killers like spirit.