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Legion doesnt have to hit you 4 times either. Can be done from 2-4 hits.Nickenzie said:
At least Freddy doesn't have to attack a survivor four times to down them. Freddy is definitely better than the Legion by a mile.RotBb said:Freddy, it’s realy obvious, he is simply more viable, people who say legion haven’t played enough games as/against him. -
I'm glad someone else can see the potential and not just say "lEgIoN iS tRaSh" over and over.
Glad to see you enjoy the new killer
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So the arguement that theyre not viable or able to down/a cure can be taken out of all debates with legion now? AwesomeMhhBurgers said:Point is even if he showed me 1000 screenshots of him doing 4ks, that's nothing special, he's still weaker than the other killer, that doesn't mean u can't 4k with him because even at r1 u will occasionally get survivors who are potatoes.
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To be fair people complain about the swf setup regardless of killer.BlackHack said:I know how to play it and i did my best in every round (chase after chase after chase) and i must say this is the worst killer in the game, i never feel helpless as killer in all my +1300HR only with this killer , someone will come and say i get 4k with him, ya i did 2 but when i play that round against very good swf team with (2 object+2 ds+3 flash+2barrow) they destroy me, did i play bad NO, i really play good but the killer power did nothing to me, so if this killer stay the same, they must nurf freddy man.
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Yes, that would be a wrong assumption.MhhBurgers said:Is it wrong for me to assume that anybody who says that legion has a learning curve beyond walking backwards and not getting hit by pallets is probably pretty bad.
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Imo they're viable now. Deep wounds could use tweaks but legion is very playable as is. I'd chase at 110 for days before waiting 7 seconds to hit somebody.Dreamnomad said:@BeanieEnthusiast said:
He’s not that bad.They are pretty bad. Weakest killer in the game imho. I don't think they are hopeless though. After a few tweaks they should be 100% viable.
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I personally love legion as a player of both sides. They're not EASY to loop. You can loop them. They dont HAVE to switch targets as drastically as youd have it seem. A decent legion can chase with very real danger.Tsulan said:They released a killer that fulfills every survivor mains dream of how a match should go:
He can't tunnel.
He has to constantly switch targets.
He's easy to loop.
He gives them a good chase without any real danger.
Survivors love him/her/it
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No, I dont. I sleep them.Zavri said:@Carpemortum said:
ScottJund said:While I'll concede that Legion would be at least decent with normal killer movement speed, it still doesn't address the fact he is the least fun killer in the game for both sides. I originally thought just giving him normal movespeed would at least bandaid him but he's actually completely fundamentally broken. Let's look at the ways to play him and why they are all terrible for both killer and survivor.
Basically the gameplay flow is: find survivor -> feral when close enough -> get free hit -> look around for nearby survivors. If none nearby, hit original target again to bleed out more. If there are survivors in range, tag them until you can't tag anyone else, then hit the closest survivor again to drain frenzy.
From there, you have a few options. The first is go look for someone who is mending, and just chase them as a no-power 110% movespeed killer. As long as the survivors have a brain and used their 20 seconds of bleedout to get to even a remotely safe area, this is painful and unfun for the killer.
You can also just repeatedly hit the survivor, waiting for your power to cooldown (which can be aided by addons). This guarantees you will eventually down the survivor because there's not much you can do to avoid a feral Legion. This is painful and unfun for the survivor.
The other option is to follow a survivor backwards and just cheese the chase mechanics of the game until they either bleed out or get to low enough bleedout to be hit by an unavoidable frenzy hit. This is painful and unfun for the survivor and the killer.
Hell, even people that still like hiding / playing stealthily can't do that.
That's it. Those are the options Legion has to down people. All of them are immensely boring, and not even 115% movespeed will fix these issues. He is fundamentally badly designed for maximum unfun. The developers in charge of Legion absolutely do not understand this, as they thought removing the double stun would be a good fix, when in reality all it does is promote the unavoidable eventual downing of a survivor with no counterplay earlier.
The sad part is even though he can guarantee downs on survivors, he's still awful. It takes a decent chunk of time without addons to either cheese chase mechanic down or just repeat-power use down. This ensures: the survivor being chased eventually has no counterplay, which feels terrible. It ensures the Legion will still lose vs. a coordinated team who spread out and do not waste time healing (because there is no point), and it ensures that the other teammates not actively being chased are either bored mending or bored doing generators.
Every single thing about Legion is bad.
I enjoy the legion. They're fun to play as and against imo. Such hate lately. If its not your killer so be it. Dont try to ######### in my sandwich
you would enjoy playing freddy without sleeping survivors then
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I dont watch him that often or follow. I just YouTube legion and found an easy example for you.ScottJund said:@ReneAensland said:
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@ad19970 said: People need to give the devs a break though. They did well with so many of the killer designs before, and they are forced to constantly think of new ideas for the killer. So I can understand why'd they screw up a killer once. With that said, I 100% agree with you on this post. Exactly why I always knew they couldn't buff him in any considerable way. Your post perfectly summarizes what's wrong with The Legion and why he can't be fixed. Guess we have to just move on and hope for a better killer design next time. The only way to make Legion viable without making survivors quit the game is to rework him. He needs a rework more urgently than Freddy, sadly. No, we do not, because so many of us in the community have been providing tons of valuable feedback, both before, during and after the PTBs, but instead of taking what we say seriously, they take it with "a grain of salt" and put their own twist on it. Quite many, including me said several times that the legion really needs a rework and should not be released as is. When we voice our concerns, like for instance during a Q&A we all know what Cote will say, we should all go play some civilization for a refreshing change, because that is exactly how seriously he takes our concerns - like not at all. Who's the same one who thinks the killers should be fun and don't need to be viable. So once they actually begin to take our concerns serously, then we can begin to cut them some slack. As I've said before, they should not release content that is not balanced or not ready to be released, because it wrecks all kinds of havoc in doing so. You say they did well with so many killers before, well that certainly depends on perspective, and instead of actually fixing the issues they apply bandaid solutions. There are also many in the community who dont have their panties in a twist over legion, as they are a viable killer.
They're not no. 1 killer, but they're not as trash as everyone wants them to be.
Yes there are some who for very odd reasons fervorously keep defending the legion, claiming that the legion is strong and viable, when it's glaringly obvious that the legion is now by far DbDs current weakest killer, and that legion is non-viable due to being the current weakest killer. I get you want the legion to viable and better, but legion is just not there yet, far from it. And I don't want the legion to be trash, but unfortunately that doesn't change anything.
Besides, people also being fed up with BHVR not taking our concerns, feedback and suggestion on how to fix seriously, that they're only taking it with "a grain of salt" and putting their own twist on things. And that is quite understandable, because this is something that keeps happening recurringly.
Go watch tru3 play some legion. One person at least tried and shows legion is viable. Just need synergy.
I did play legion in the PTB, and I did also see some off Tru3's videos about legion where for most of the times he was using very rare addons, which doesn't say anything about if the killers balanced or not, and believe or not, those addons are likely going to be nerfed, it says nothing about the legion being viable or being balanced for that matter. There a lot of things that the legion needs to be viable, and they're most likely have to rework it's power.
Tru3 stated Legion might be the worst killer.
I wouldn't bother. These people's criteria of "this killer is good is" "this person did well with this killer sometimes."
I enjoy legion, and have done well with them as well as played a lot agains them. I've seen others do well with them easily.
And bottom line is I have fun with them.
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So leatherface isnt trash either? Like...ScottJund said:@Carpemortum said:
Incarnate said:@Carpemortum said:
Incarnate said:
@ad19970 said: People need to give the devs a break though. They did well with so many of the killer designs before, and they are forced to constantly think of new ideas for the killer. So I can understand why'd they screw up a killer once. With that said, I 100% agree with you on this post. Exactly why I always knew they couldn't buff him in any considerable way. Your post perfectly summarizes what's wrong with The Legion and why he can't be fixed. Guess we have to just move on and hope for a better killer design next time. The only way to make Legion viable without making survivors quit the game is to rework him. He needs a rework more urgently than Freddy, sadly. No, we do not, because so many of us in the community have been providing tons of valuable feedback, both before, during and after the PTBs, but instead of taking what we say seriously, they take it with "a grain of salt" and put their own twist on it. Quite many, including me said several times that the legion really needs a rework and should not be released as is. When we voice our concerns, like for instance during a Q&A we all know what Cote will say, we should all go play some civilization for a refreshing change, because that is exactly how seriously he takes our concerns - like not at all. Who's the same one who thinks the killers should be fun and don't need to be viable. So once they actually begin to take our concerns serously, then we can begin to cut them some slack. As I've said before, they should not release content that is not balanced or not ready to be released, because it wrecks all kinds of havoc in doing so. You say they did well with so many killers before, well that certainly depends on perspective, and instead of actually fixing the issues they apply bandaid solutions. There are also many in the community who dont have their panties in a twist over legion, as they are a viable killer.
They're not no. 1 killer, but they're not as trash as everyone wants them to be.
Yes there are some who for very odd reasons fervorously keep defending the legion, claiming that the legion is strong and viable, when it's glaringly obvious that the legion is now by far DbDs current weakest killer, and that legion is non-viable due to being the current weakest killer. I get you want the legion to viable and better, but legion is just not there yet, far from it. And I don't want the legion to be trash, but unfortunately that doesn't change anything.
Besides, people also being fed up with BHVR not taking our concerns, feedback and suggestion on how to fix seriously, that they're only taking it with "a grain of salt" and putting their own twist on things. And that is quite understandable, because this is something that keeps happening recurringly.
Go watch tru3 play some legion. One person at least tried and shows legion is viable. Just need synergy.
I've 4k'd 24 speed limiter Leatherface games in a row at red ranks. Does that mean speed limiter leatherface is good?
Legion isn't complicated. We've figured him out. He's bad.
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Yes? For one you say it's not fun for anyone, which is false.ScottJund said:@Carpemortum said:
ScottJund said:While I'll concede that Legion would be at least decent with normal killer movement speed, it still doesn't address the fact he is the least fun killer in the game for both sides. I originally thought just giving him normal movespeed would at least bandaid him but he's actually completely fundamentally broken. Let's look at the ways to play him and why they are all terrible for both killer and survivor.
Basically the gameplay flow is: find survivor -> feral when close enough -> get free hit -> look around for nearby survivors. If none nearby, hit original target again to bleed out more. If there are survivors in range, tag them until you can't tag anyone else, then hit the closest survivor again to drain frenzy.
From there, you have a few options. The first is go look for someone who is mending, and just chase them as a no-power 110% movespeed killer. As long as the survivors have a brain and used their 20 seconds of bleedout to get to even a remotely safe area, this is painful and unfun for the killer.
You can also just repeatedly hit the survivor, waiting for your power to cooldown (which can be aided by addons). This guarantees you will eventually down the survivor because there's not much you can do to avoid a feral Legion. This is painful and unfun for the survivor.
The other option is to follow a survivor backwards and just cheese the chase mechanics of the game until they either bleed out or get to low enough bleedout to be hit by an unavoidable frenzy hit. This is painful and unfun for the survivor and the killer.
Hell, even people that still like hiding / playing stealthily can't do that.
That's it. Those are the options Legion has to down people. All of them are immensely boring, and not even 115% movespeed will fix these issues. He is fundamentally badly designed for maximum unfun. The developers in charge of Legion absolutely do not understand this, as they thought removing the double stun would be a good fix, when in reality all it does is promote the unavoidable eventual downing of a survivor with no counterplay earlier.
The sad part is even though he can guarantee downs on survivors, he's still awful. It takes a decent chunk of time without addons to either cheese chase mechanic down or just repeat-power use down. This ensures: the survivor being chased eventually has no counterplay, which feels terrible. It ensures the Legion will still lose vs. a coordinated team who spread out and do not waste time healing (because there is no point), and it ensures that the other teammates not actively being chased are either bored mending or bored doing generators.
Every single thing about Legion is bad.
I enjoy the legion. They're fun to play as and against imo. Such hate lately. If its not your killer so be it. Dont try to ######### in my sandwich
Can you find faults in any of my arguments, though?
Are we defining them by viable? Or fun? Because you try to argue both.
You can tag one, two, three people and then chase. Use frenzy to catch and mind game. Make them waste pallets. Any number of things to apply SPLIT PRESSURE and buy time, which as you claim is an issue with his power. Time to down ratio.
So while I could spend 20 mins and write out multiple scenarios countering what you said, it's a waste of time. Go watch tru3 or anyone else who isnt just ######### talking legion play them. Theres many options and builds. It's just not the top tier killer or exactly what the community asked for so everyone jumps on the "legion is trash" train.
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Go watch tru3 play some legion. One person at least tried and shows legion is viable. Just need synergy.Incarnate said:@Carpemortum said:
Incarnate said:@ad19970 said:
People need to give the devs a break though. They did well with so many of the killer designs before, and they are forced to constantly think of new ideas for the killer. So I can understand why'd they screw up a killer once.
With that said, I 100% agree with you on this post. Exactly why I always knew they couldn't buff him in any considerable way. Your post perfectly summarizes what's wrong with The Legion and why he can't be fixed. Guess we have to just move on and hope for a better killer design next time.
The only way to make Legion viable without making survivors quit the game is to rework him. He needs a rework more urgently than Freddy, sadly.
No, we do not, because so many of us in the community have been providing tons of valuable feedback, both before, during and after the PTBs, but instead of taking what we say seriously, they take it with "a grain of salt" and put their own twist on it. Quite many, including me said several times that the legion really needs a rework and should not be released as is. When we voice our concerns, like for instance during a Q&A we all know what Cote will say, we should all go play some civilization for a refreshing change, because that is exactly how seriously he takes our concerns - like not at all. Who's the same one who thinks the killers should be fun and don't need to be viable. So once they actually begin to take our concerns serously, then we can begin to cut them some slack. As I've said before, they should not release content that is not balanced or not ready to be released, because it wrecks all kinds of havoc in doing so. You say they did well with so many killers before, well that certainly depends on perspective, and instead of actually fixing the issues they apply bandaid solutions.
There are also many in the community who dont have their panties in a twist over legion, as they are a viable killer.
They're not no. 1 killer, but they're not as trash as everyone wants them to be.
Yes there are some who for very odd reasons fervorously keep defending the legion, claiming that the legion is strong and viable, when it's glaringly obvious that the legion is now by far DbDs current weakest killer, and that legion is non-viable due to being the current weakest killer. I get you want the legion to viable and better, but legion is just not there yet, far from it. And I don't want the legion to be trash, but unfortunately that doesn't change anything.
Besides, people also being fed up with BHVR not taking our concerns, feedback and suggestion on how to fix seriously, that they're only taking it with "a grain of salt" and putting their own twist on things. And that is quite understandable, because this is something that keeps happening recurringly.
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Exactly. And legion isnt #########. Soooo....yeet said:@PhantomMask20763 said:
yeet said:@PhantomMask20763 said:
I cant wait to run some more tracking perks instead of Aura perks, then survivors running that one Aura reading block perk will be useless to them. Same with Iron maiden, I'm a little excited to unlock the perks on my other killers. Legion doesn't seem THAT bad. He has trouble downing sure but nothing a few buffs can fix. I'm sure BHVR will realise he needs a few more tweaks before he can be good
a killer who has trouble downing people is not a killer that wins many games
And I understand that, I'm just saying maybe we're underestimating him and with a few more buffs/tweaks he can be much better. He doesn't need a complete rework, just a few tweaks
this game is not very mechanically complex, and legion is a pretty simple killer
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There are also many in the community who dont have their panties in a twist over legion, as they are a viable killer.Incarnate said:@ad19970 said:
People need to give the devs a break though. They did well with so many of the killer designs before, and they are forced to constantly think of new ideas for the killer. So I can understand why'd they screw up a killer once.
With that said, I 100% agree with you on this post. Exactly why I always knew they couldn't buff him in any considerable way. Your post perfectly summarizes what's wrong with The Legion and why he can't be fixed. Guess we have to just move on and hope for a better killer design next time.The only way to make Legion viable without making survivors quit the game is to rework him. He needs a rework more urgently than Freddy, sadly.
No, we do not, because so many of us in the community have been providing tons of valuable feedback, both before, during and after the PTBs, but instead of taking what we say seriously, they take it with "a grain of salt" and put their own twist on it. Quite many, including me said several times that the legion really needs a rework and should not be released as is. When we voice our concerns, like for instance during a Q&A we all know what Cote will say, we should all go play some civilization for a refreshing change, because that is exactly how seriously he takes our concerns - like not at all. Who's the same one who thinks the killers should be fun and don't need to be viable. So once they actually begin to take our concerns serously, then we can begin to cut them some slack. As I've said before, they should not release content that is not balanced or not ready to be released, because it wrecks all kinds of havoc in doing so. You say they did well with so many killers before, well that certainly depends on perspective, and instead of actually fixing the issues they apply bandaid solutions.
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Man for once I'm glad I'm on console. Been playing all day and the only map I have any slowdown is the new one. And it's very slight.Nikkiwhat said:[BAD WORD] Christ...just played on Yamakoa Estate as Hag and not only was it beyond infuriating to watch thia game play on about 5-10 frames...but I can't count on both hands how many times I go to slap a Gen and the prompt goes away and I have to move back and forth to get it to appear again....
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Nice! Another rank nazi steps forth.yeet said:@Poweas said:
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i play survivor more than killer and i say survivor is harder and requires more skill,
if they wanted to make surviving rates higher they could try adding offerings that increase the amount of pallets, similar to the oaks for killers.survivor always has, and always will be
easy mode95% sure the last time u played survivor was before the Vaulting changes and the Exhaustion nerf. Rn survivor takes wayy more skill then killer and I'm not even a survivor main (I've actually became a killer main since I'm getting Spirit on Monday and I'll be playing her a lot since hopefully she'll push me to develop my skill as killer unlike Nurse and Hag who I picked up in my first 4 games (for Nurse) and first game (for Hag and this was before she got her buffs). Yeah and Nurse and Hag are considered 'hard' the only killer that takes more skill then survivor (in general) to my knowledge is apparently Spirit. But if I pick her up quickly I'll tell you all about it.
Killer is the easier (by a tiny bit but definitely easier) gamemode.
Also I'm one of those players who love a challenge so that's why right now I do about 3 survivor games per day (somehow I'm rank 8 without even trying to rank up. My build is Sprint Burst, Self care, Iron will and Urban evasion for now but it'll be Botany once I get it to tier 3 so it shows how this rank system is worse then the 10k bloodpoints one .-.) And 2 killer games (at rank 11 but I double pip a lot since I play Nurse with no addons but Shadowborn, Nurses calling, Bitter murmur, and Deerstalker which is a ridiculously effective build since I slug people if I see 2 on a gen and get a ton of momentum from that and it's basically gg from there.)sitting on generators and looping isn't difficult
Yeah but 3 gen strat, bloodlusting and tunneling isn't difficult either. And with looping, you have to at least know what u can make without getting hit, have a whole plan ahead of u. As killer ur just bloodlusting.
if you're bloodlusting you're playing killer wrong
Nope I'm not I dont need to my chases are quick. But most killers I face at rank 8 are. They'll take the stun on the pallet and bloodlust 3 you down.
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I enjoy the legion. They're fun to play as and against imo. Such hate lately. If its not your killer so be it. Dont try to ######### in my sandwichScottJund said:While I'll concede that Legion would be at least decent with normal killer movement speed, it still doesn't address the fact he is the least fun killer in the game for both sides. I originally thought just giving him normal movespeed would at least bandaid him but he's actually completely fundamentally broken. Let's look at the ways to play him and why they are all terrible for both killer and survivor.
Basically the gameplay flow is: find survivor -> feral when close enough -> get free hit -> look around for nearby survivors. If none nearby, hit original target again to bleed out more. If there are survivors in range, tag them until you can't tag anyone else, then hit the closest survivor again to drain frenzy.
From there, you have a few options. The first is go look for someone who is mending, and just chase them as a no-power 110% movespeed killer. As long as the survivors have a brain and used their 20 seconds of bleedout to get to even a remotely safe area, this is painful and unfun for the killer.
You can also just repeatedly hit the survivor, waiting for your power to cooldown (which can be aided by addons). This guarantees you will eventually down the survivor because there's not much you can do to avoid a feral Legion. This is painful and unfun for the survivor.
The other option is to follow a survivor backwards and just cheese the chase mechanics of the game until they either bleed out or get to low enough bleedout to be hit by an unavoidable frenzy hit. This is painful and unfun for the survivor and the killer.
Hell, even people that still like hiding / playing stealthily can't do that.
That's it. Those are the options Legion has to down people. All of them are immensely boring, and not even 115% movespeed will fix these issues. He is fundamentally badly designed for maximum unfun. The developers in charge of Legion absolutely do not understand this, as they thought removing the double stun would be a good fix, when in reality all it does is promote the unavoidable eventual downing of a survivor with no counterplay earlier.
The sad part is even though he can guarantee downs on survivors, he's still awful. It takes a decent chunk of time without addons to either cheese chase mechanic down or just repeat-power use down. This ensures: the survivor being chased eventually has no counterplay, which feels terrible. It ensures the Legion will still lose vs. a coordinated team who spread out and do not waste time healing (because there is no point), and it ensures that the other teammates not actively being chased are either bored mending or bored doing generators.
Every single thing about Legion is bad.
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Bye!KingB said:I can't even stomach 5 games. First (and only) game as killer at rank 5(on ps4): Can't see anyone with dark clothing. Scratch marks disappear in grass. BT on all 4 survivors. Can't look up to counter flashlight saves. BBQ never finds anyone now. I'm done with this game. -
😁 [1] LOL!yeet said:Let's be completely honest, everything about this killer is miserable.
His power is incredibly poor, one of the worst in the game in fact.
His perks are mediocre at best, and uninspired in design.
His design is uninspired, and his backstory incoherent, and his power doesn't match his theme.
He is not fun to play as, or against, the play experience as him is miserable, and playing against him is so trivial it's boring.
I really cannot understand how we come off of a killer like the spirit, into whatever abomination we have here.
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######### is your opinion. I like legion, and have seen people wreck with them.RSB said:Buying the ######### killer with money won't teach the devs anything.
I will buy the characters with shards - it will be the first DLC I won't buy with money, and I have them all (sadly).
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Already bought it. Waiting to update now!
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I've only ventured to the wiki a few times for perk or mechanic clarifications. Usually to see how far I have to grind x survivor for y perk.alivebydeadight said:@Carpemortum said:
DocOctober said:Since Chapter VI (Freddy), the Chapter file names are named alphabetically after a random country. Since those files are accessible on PC, it's quite apparent, not so on console.
That's actually pretty cool. Did not know that!
In the wiki for dbd it tells you england on freddys chapter
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Should i post screenshots of people messaging me to help ops point? I get the occasional "gg" or "you were better than me you should have escaped".The_Crusader said:This is what we call "anecdotal evidence".
Rarely hate mail. Usually salt is from other survivors who got themselves ######### and blame me.
Even as camping LF I've got one message. "Why. Why play like a dick?" I told him I needed faces
Got an "ok". No hate.
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😁 [1] LOL!Tzeentchling9 said:But then no one would be left.
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That's actually pretty cool. Did not know that!DocOctober said:Since Chapter VI (Freddy), the Chapter file names are named alphabetically after a random country. Since those files are accessible on PC, it's quite apparent, not so on console.
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Not rendering is one thing, but 30fps is absolutely playable.Brady said:@Arsoul said:
You DONT NEED 60FPS to play a game. Let me guess, teenager that things only 60fps+ games are good regardless of storyline and gameplay?
Yes, I thought soIt's unattractive to play a game where no textures render, your game is lagging due to dropping in FPS. It's borderline an unplayable state.
@ReneAensland said:
Start a GoFund me. I'd pitch in a buck or two.No worries man, I just hope they try to look out for us low settings users, if not maybe my fam back home will be willing to for Christmas
A GoFund me isn't practical, it'd make me feel spoiled.
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Yet again? I've said this twice. And it's a very viable, easy solution if you're not a stubborn ass.Arsoul said:@Carpemortum said:
Simple hatch standoff solution to save 20 minutes.Killer: hit them and let them leave. You get bp, its INSTANTLY over and you can go to the next game.
Survivor: if they camp it, go do gens. You get bp for those still btw. -OR- just jump, and if they grab you, its INSTANTLY over and you can go to the next game.
Copy and paste answer yet again. I see you missed the entire point saying that to many people DONT go and do the generators etc. This would speed up the game for all and free the killer up to make a new lobby.
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Lol I never said paid servers would kill the game. You did.Tsulan said:
And where did I contradict?Carpemortum said:
Your first arguement was "how we gonna pay for servers. Theyll charge us and it will end the game"Tsulan said:@Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said:@Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said: @Tsulan said: MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: @Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield? Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free. death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee... So how many shooters and multiplayer games with no consistent world do you know that have a monthly fee outside of MMORPGs. In EAs Betafield 1, people had to rent the expensive servers if they wanted to have a dedicated clan server. EA has money and still rented out the servers. Ubisoft doesn't do it. But Behavior isn't one of those big companies. Do you really think they roll out something as expensive as dedicated servers with the current system? P2P doesn't cost them. But servers? That's a whole different story.
Why don't you reread all the information they released on that term. They never claimed it would be free for us. Again it's not gonna happen unless they keep a peer to peer option which would basically split the playerbase. They'd kill their game through that. Giving us servers for free without any charges or changes in the monetarisation system, would also kill the game.
Now what?
Are you high? Your arguement went from "dedicated servers are gonna cost us money and ruin the game" to "free servers without making us pay will kill the game".
#########?
I´m not high. What about you?
Do you think Behavior has infinite money? That they can afford to spend a ton of money every month, so YOU can get your free dedicated servers? Because those costs would kill the game in the long run, if they don´t change the way they finance their game.
I asked if you were high bc you contradicted yourself. You're so into arguing here you havent realized I'm not arguing with you. Just keep pointing out your salty flip flopping.
Where did i contradict myself? Please show me
Then it changed to "if they give us servers for free and dont charge us for them, it will kill the game"
So is it free servers or charged servers that will kill the game?
Or maybe just your incessant need to argue with people on a forum for a game you supposedly dont play.
YOU said, that paid servers will kill the game. Probably because you think people won't pay for servers as a service they always asked for. Duh...
I said, that giving us those servers for free without changing the monetary system will kill the game. Because servers are expensive. If the players don't pay for it, the devs would have to take the money from somewhere else.
I see you tried to put words in my mouth after I left the conversation AND pointed out where you contradicted yourself.
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Playing survivor is already a challenge considering the doorknob randoms my partner and I run into. Neither side is "hard to win" right now.thesuicidefox said:@Carpemortum said:
Challenge as killer. As 4k is pretty easy as is. Dont take what you know I meant and try to twist it.But you are being a hypocrite here. You want a challenge as killer but not as survivor, especially when survivor is ALREADY the less challenging side, and ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY when SWF removes 90% of whatever challenge there is in the first place.
I'm just saying as someone who plays both sides, people crying about swf stacks should just play against them and get better. Not ######### about it because they feel like they cant guarantee a 4k. -
Well, supposedly he doesnt even PLAY dbd anymore.MhhBurgers said:@Tsulan said:
Dreamnomad said:@Tsulan said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said:
@MhhBurgers said:
Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD
Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield?
Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free.
death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee...
Dude, there aren't going to be any monthly fees. Enough with the rumor starting. There is absolutely zero percent chance that this happens.
Source?
Do you even play games besides [BAD WORD] DBD?
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@Tsulan
Feel free to keep repeating your parrot speech and toxicity. I'm out. I've made my point and you know it.
Stop being salty at the people who enjoy the game. Especially if you "dont play". Its just cancerous to the community.
This thread is so off topic at this point.
"😂 [1] LOL"
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I know. I didnt tell you not to. I said you can FEEL FREE not to since you dont play and offer no real constructive criticism other than " I've been burned dont trust the devs".Tsulan said:@Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said:@Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said:
Nickenzie said: Tsulan said: I'm surprised no one has thought about monthly fees.
Behavior isn't Ubisoft.
They can't afford to pump out servers en masse without charging for them.
What happened to the old @Tuslan where you was so thankful about everything you received? I missed that part about you. I grew tired of that #########.
Hell, I even stopped playing DbD.
Stopped playing? So either you're lying and salty af. Or you quit and cant let other people enjoy it.
Grow tf up.
Or i can have an opinion and use my brain. Instead of just cheering for a 10 second notification without ANY details.
You behave like the dedicated servers will solve every single problem the game has right now.
Believe me, them holding back on everything isn´t a good sign. I´ve been around for 2 years, with over 1000 hours. I´ve been let down by the devs more often than not. And if they don´t share more on that behalf, it´s because it won´t make people cheer.
I dont behave like I say theyll solve all the problems. I behave like you're a salty manchild on a forum for a game you dont play changing your arguement about how theyll end the game, while trying to rain on everybody elses parade.
If you dont like the game, feel free to not post here and pester people who do enjoy it.
Btw, don´t try to tell people that they should stop posting here. Mods don´t like that
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Your first arguement was "how we gonna pay for servers. Theyll charge us and it will end the game"Tsulan said:@Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said:@Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said: @Tsulan said: MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: @Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield? Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free. death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee... So how many shooters and multiplayer games with no consistent world do you know that have a monthly fee outside of MMORPGs. In EAs Betafield 1, people had to rent the expensive servers if they wanted to have a dedicated clan server. EA has money and still rented out the servers. Ubisoft doesn't do it. But Behavior isn't one of those big companies. Do you really think they roll out something as expensive as dedicated servers with the current system? P2P doesn't cost them. But servers? That's a whole different story.
Why don't you reread all the information they released on that term. They never claimed it would be free for us. Again it's not gonna happen unless they keep a peer to peer option which would basically split the playerbase. They'd kill their game through that. Giving us servers for free without any charges or changes in the monetarisation system, would also kill the game.
Now what?
Are you high? Your arguement went from "dedicated servers are gonna cost us money and ruin the game" to "free servers without making us pay will kill the game".
#########?
I´m not high. What about you?
Do you think Behavior has infinite money? That they can afford to spend a ton of money every month, so YOU can get your free dedicated servers? Because those costs would kill the game in the long run, if they don´t change the way they finance their game.
I asked if you were high bc you contradicted yourself. You're so into arguing here you havent realized I'm not arguing with you. Just keep pointing out your salty flip flopping.
Where did i contradict myself? Please show me
Then it changed to "if they give us servers for free and dont charge us for them, it will kill the game"
So is it free servers or charged servers that will kill the game?
Or maybe just your incessant need to argue with people on a forum for a game you supposedly dont play. -
Ok, so you were one of the people abusing the button. Sorry you cant troll now?Unicorn said:
Right. Like I legitimately used the LOL button for funny posts or jokes not to spam.Carpemortum said:
They say its because people made bots to spam posts, but you could still do that with vote up and awesome, so I assume it was because people used it patronizingly. Which is stupid. Now I cant laugh at jokes without wasting a post on:Unicorn said:
"Abusing"? I'm sorry, can you elaborate? How can you abuse a button you can only click once per post? I'm new to forums so I'm not really aware of what happens on here.Orion said:Basically, people were abusing it, so it got removed.
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But....Tsulan said:But...
I need that face!
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I asked if you were high bc you contradicted yourself. You're so into arguing here you havent realized I'm not arguing with you. Just keep pointing out your salty flip flopping.Tsulan said:@Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:@Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: @Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield? Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free. death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee... So how many shooters and multiplayer games with no consistent world do you know that have a monthly fee outside of MMORPGs. In EAs Betafield 1, people had to rent the expensive servers if they wanted to have a dedicated clan server. EA has money and still rented out the servers. Ubisoft doesn't do it. But Behavior isn't one of those big companies. Do you really think they roll out something as expensive as dedicated servers with the current system? P2P doesn't cost them. But servers? That's a whole different story.
Why don't you reread all the information they released on that term. They never claimed it would be free for us.
Again it's not gonna happen unless they keep a peer to peer option which would basically split the playerbase. They'd kill their game through that.
Giving us servers for free without any charges or changes in the monetarisation system, would also kill the game.
Now what?Are you high? Your arguement went from "dedicated servers are gonna cost us money and ruin the game" to "free servers without making us pay will kill the game".
#########?
I´m not high. What about you?
Do you think Behavior has infinite money? That they can afford to spend a ton of money every month, so YOU can get your free dedicated servers? Because those costs would kill the game in the long run, if they don´t change the way they finance their game. -
I dont behave like I say theyll solve all the problems. I behave like you're a salty manchild on a forum for a game you dont play changing your arguement about how theyll end the game, while trying to rain on everybody elses parade.Tsulan said:@Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said:
Nickenzie said:
Tsulan said:I'm surprised no one has thought about monthly fees.
Behavior isn't Ubisoft.
They can't afford to pump out servers en masse without charging for them.What happened to the old @Tuslan where you was so thankful about everything you received? I missed that part about you.
I grew tired of that #########.
Hell, I even stopped playing DbD.Stopped playing?
So either you're lying and salty af.
Or you quit and cant let other people enjoy it.
Grow tf up.
Or i can have an opinion and use my brain. Instead of just cheering for a 10 second notification without ANY details.
You behave like the dedicated servers will solve every single problem the game has right now.
Believe me, them holding back on everything isn´t a good sign. I´ve been around for 2 years, with over 1000 hours. I´ve been let down by the devs more often than not. And if they don´t share more on that behalf, it´s because it won´t make people cheer.
If you dont like the game, feel free to not post here and pester people who do enjoy it. -
Because people like to find loopholes just to get around things. So they have to put every detail in.Skorpanio said:@Might_Oakk said:
Welcome to gaming. You have no rights after signing EULA.A streamer just had his entire Origins game library wiped for streaming a beta under nda.
Who tf reads a 20paged EULA though?
Not saying it's 20 pages but my god, do I really have to read through all of that? Why not just a half #!"/ page with clear words?Don't tell me, I do know why.
Just think it's a bit ridiculous...
Also, who tf streams a beta without looking into if its NDA covered or not?? Lot of beta watermark your screen to ensure you dont get away with it. -
If a survivor does totems as they see them and hides/leaves instead of BMing, no, it's not a problem or time issue. Use your brain in game.DwightsLifeMatters said:
Riiiiiight, r u okay?Master said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Peanits said:Break totems. If you find all five before fixing all the generators, it'll never activate.
Sure, but at this point it doesn't have to activate anymore cuz it took to long to do the gens and the killer got his kills. This "just do 5 totems" works only with organised swf groups. Solos will waste to much time if every single team mate hunts all 5 totems (which doesn't mean it's impossible tho, but u get the point hopefully). This game is about time efficiency, especially for the killer but also for survivors cuz there is only a limited amount of pallets to keep the killer busy. Once dead zones exists it's gg most of the time.
Gens take too long?
Also, yes SWF is a thing in this game
If u focus gens only obviously not, but if every single survivor goes out and hunts 5 totems first than yes. Use ur brain. -
Why? Some people CAN reach 1 with those killers. Dont go tryhard and double pip if you dont want to rank up?Mercury said:can we add a function, that those mid to low tier Killers can only get you up to a specific rank? Let's say Freddy can only get you up to rank 12 or smth. Pig to rank 8 for example.
That way you get to play the Killers you love - without the matches ending in complete and utter frustration because of the wreck of balance at higher ranks.
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No, the only thing I saw was a freddy that tunneled hard. Flashlight was barely used. Gens only popped after he chased one guy into oblivion.Kebek said:@Carpemortum said:
Kebek said:We had many people like you claiming so. No one ever stood upto it. This one was very simmiliar to you. Also mouth full of himself, how he's the best there ever was.
So were meant to see that if you face 4swf with the same load out, and CHASE ONE PERSON ALL GAME, you dont get 4k. Well no #########.
No, we're meant to see that no player no matter how skilled he is isn't a machine and makes mistakes thus loses sometimes. Anyone claming that his kill rate is above 90% constantly facing good players and not potatoes is a liar unless he streams every game and can back it up. No 90% kill rate without proof please.
It also shows that SWF need tunning down quite a bit.
All it shows is a freddy who cant let a chase go/ apply his pressure with dreamworld. That alone doesnt show anything about swf.
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It's legal trouble for them to change the way their game works and not notify you of every detail, even though they talk about changes beforehand and release patch notes? Ok...SmokePotion said:According to people, the new DLC releases tomorrow. On a Tuesday... Weird enough.
But they also haven't given us any announcements to that fact. One guy found something on a small game news site. And that seems to be what everyone believes.
What's wrong with BHVR? This is a big drop. One they announced at the game awards. But with 0 information on when it would be available.
Add into it they regularly patch this game without telling us what they patched. The term "Shadow Buff/Nerf" gets thrown around a lot. That's a serious problem. Legally.
I bought this game. Once it's on my computer it is my property. they are changing my property without notifying me 1: that they are doing it and 2: what they are actually changing. This effects the use of my property..
BHVR needs to step up their communication.
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Are you high? Your arguement went from "dedicated servers are gonna cost us money and ruin the game" to "free servers without making us pay will kill the game".Tsulan said:
Giving us servers for free without any charges or changes in the monetarisation system, would also kill the game.MhhBurgers said:@Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:@Tsulan said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said:
@MhhBurgers said:
Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD
Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield?
Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free.
death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee...
So how many shooters and multiplayer games with no consistent world do you know that have a monthly fee outside of MMORPGs.
In EAs Betafield 1, people had to rent the expensive servers if they wanted to have a dedicated clan server.
EA has money and still rented out the servers. Ubisoft doesn't do it. But Behavior isn't one of those big companies.
Do you really think they roll out something as expensive as dedicated servers with the current system? P2P doesn't cost them. But servers? That's a whole different story.
Why don't you reread all the information they released on that term. They never claimed it would be free for us.Again it's not gonna happen unless they keep a peer to peer option which would basically split the playerbase. They'd kill their game through that.
Now what?
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So were meant to see that if you face 4swf with the same load out, and CHASE ONE PERSON ALL GAME, you dont get 4k. Well no #########.Kebek said:We had many people like you claiming so. No one ever stood upto it. This one was very simmiliar to you. Also mouth full of himself, how he's the best there ever was.
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How tf is claudette racist?Cymer said:We all don't like hatchstandoffs. Claudette is racist and Kate has nice personalitits
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Not good doesnt mean horrible, chief.yeet said:@Carpemortum said:
Unnamed_Freak said:We can all agree that Legion is horrible.
No. We cant. I think hes quite interesting and cant wait to play them.
@Carpemortum said:
Unnamed_Freak said:We can all agree that Legion is horrible.
No. We cant. I think hes quite interesting and cant wait to play them.
interesting doesn't mean good chief
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Simple hatch standoff solution to save 20 minutes.
Killer: hit them and let them leave. You get bp, its INSTANTLY over and you can go to the next game.
Survivor: if they camp it, go do gens. You get bp for those still btw. -OR- just jump, and if they grab you, its INSTANTLY over and you can go to the next game.
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Simple hatch standoff solution to save 20 minutes.
Killer: hit them and let them leave. You get bp, its INSTANTLY over and you can go to the next game.
Survivor: if they camp it, go do gens. You get bp for those still btw. -OR- just jump, and if they grab you, its INSTANTLY over and you can go to the next game.
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Ea said dont buy our ######### if you dont like it. People didnt.Tsulan said:
Oh there's a reason those businesses act like that. Because people might actually switch the product if they get treated like #########.George_Soros said:@Tsulan said:
George_Soros said:
Tsulan said:
ItsYourBoyGuzma said:I think we can all agree that Mcote is a pretty cool guy.
Not after the "just play a different game" statement.
That statement is exactly what made him cool. None of that sucking up to entitled, disgruntled, demanding customers who can never be satisfied anyway.
Lol what?
Are you serious?
Other people get fired after making comments like this.The question was a legit one. Not a rant or anything. And as response he gets a play something else? Very professional...
Yes, I'm serious. We're so used to every business, from the jeans shop where we pick up our pants, our ISP, any KFC or coffee shop we visit or whatever else will just bend backwards to please us. "Thank you sir, is there anything else we can do for you sir, can I just kiss your boots one more time sir?"
Very unhealthy. This phenomenon is one of the reasons why you can see endless number of shrieking demands, often completely nonsensical, aimed at the devs. I very much respect an attitude that says "Look, here's our product. We think it's pretty good, but if you don't like it, feel free to buy from anywhere else, wherever the hell they're willing to cater for all your needs. We don't need your money THAT much."
Best example is, how he had to apologize within hours.
And the question the guy made, wasn't something weird or nonsensical. But as response he got basically a prime example of how to start a ######### storm and get your customers to never come back.
He said play something else if you dont like the game as is. The people who would, did. Still a lot here eh?
He wasnt wrong. If you dont like it, play something else. It's a very solid logic. Nobody is making you support them or play.