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I totally agree with OP. I want my perk slot back!
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I got a hatch grab yesterday from the front, you just have to time it right and be basically touching them. It's just like a hook grab in terms of distance but they have to be mid-animation when you tap m1.Smoker101 said:You have to be behind them or really close, if you try it well in front of them it will be a hit -
I believe this is unique to console. If the killer DCs on PC, you effectively escape (including the 5k BP) with your items.
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Personally, I have no problem with bodyblocking and think it is a valid strat with a solid risk/reward. The only thing I think should be changed is that the killer can't drop a survivor they are carrying if there is another survivir in the way, which can lead to some really frustrating situations.
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Ignoring the unwarranted insult, his/her underlying point stands. Labelling someone as "them" vs "us" isn't an argument. Stop trolling.fcc2014 said:
Lol wow you are brilliant.M2Fream said:
Yeah but atleast he made a point about Noed. Your point is about at sharp as a bowling ball.fcc2014 said:
The other killer bias player ladies and gentlemen.Orion said:@fcc2014 said:
Killer bias a bit.....??? Remove NOED also they should be dead before it geta that point correct??? How about every end game perk??? Failure right?!?!NOED can be disabled before it activates at any point during the trial. Once 2 generators have been repaired, even if the Killer finds and kills all the remaining Survivors one by one, they can no longer prevent the hatch from activating.
As for end-game perks, unless you're suggesting that the hatch is an end-game perk, I don't see the comparison. Maybe it should be a perk. Hatch won't open on its own unless the last remaining Survivor has Sole Survivor equipped. -
Even with agitation, you should have zero trouble outrunning a killer carrying someone. I think we've strayed pretty far from the topic, though.NoxiousOnnyyxx said:Yes, I know what agitation is for genius, but that doesn't stop the killer from chasing others while holding onto survivor. Especially, when they have iron grasp..
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Huh, that's the first time I've heard of the agitation "bug".Orion said:@Baphomett said:
I'm lost. What does agitation have to do with chasing? It only has an effect when carrying a downed survivor...Maybe he's one of those who thinks Agitation is "bugged" and works even if the Killer isn't carrying anyone, despite proof to the contrary.
Strange arguments aside, there really is a problem with chases being extremely hard to get out of without looping. Between bleeding, scratch marks and injured noises you have to use all 4 perk slots just to have a chance at actually escaping outside of a handful of specific spots on a couple of maps (or a really rare RNG terrian layout).
I'd personally love to see more evasion perks, or even nerfs to killer tracking, coupled with a hard nerf on looping like closing loops routes similar to the entity window blocks. -
I'm lost. What does agitation have to do with chasing? It only has an effect when carrying a downed survivor...NoxiousOnnyyxx said:Ha! Not when you have agitation and fire up.
Also, Fire Up is garbage tier... with all gens done it's still a poor sub for brutal strength. -
That would be my guess, too. The other licensed characters are a bit stale and have no new hype coming up, but the Myers' lincense needs more publicity woth the new movie, etc.Action_Jaxon said:@Nickenzie said:
Master said:@Salty_Pearl said:
Since we do know that licensed killers will be getting new outfits, could we ever see a casual Amanda outfit for The Pig? I think it would be scarier/creepier to see an actual human chasing you.
We know that?
I have heard nothing, and even then, probably not all licensed killers will get new skins
They are talking to the licensed people about getting permission to make cosmetics. However I don't know what licensed killer that it will be tho.
They said in the stream they were talking to one of the license holders my guess would be Myers considering the new movie coming out in October. I doubt we will see it for all licensed killers and survivors however but one is a good start.
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If they fixed ranking, and swf matchmaking, then tiering the ranks by color and not allowing deranking would make a lot of sense. Of course, the rank reset has never made sense to me...
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I think the intent was solid, but the execution was terrible. The end result is that new players are stuck in queue for ages, and when they finally do get a match ot almost always includes lower ranks anyway, either because of the SWF matching or because they sat in queue long enough that they were matches with 15s or lower.
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It seems any suggestion that makes the hatch escape harder is a no go with some survivors, which makes sense since there's 7k BP on the line for them.
So how about this - give the killer some kind of bp bonus if he is within range of the hatch when the last surv escapes. Then killers can just hit the surv and let him escape while still "winning". Thoughts? -
I made the mistake of trying out the old version at level 3 on the nurse once and got one of the cornfield maps. It was unbelievable - just a sea of red marks and corn that was so saturated it looked like a small army of survivors had recently marched through the field. Needless to say, I havent run it since, but I may check out the new version.
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One more - with all the frustration around looping and chase mechanics, as well as the addition of so many aura reading and detection perks, are there plans to empower stealth players and/or evasion with new/reworked perks or mechanics? Such as counters to bleeding and bloodhound? Or is the game intentionally moving toward a chase-oriented playstyle?
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Also, are there plans for any more perks with bonus BP, or reworks of existing perks? I'd love to see other playstyles rewarded, such as a perk that helps lose the killer and generates tokens after escaping a chase and remaining out of a chase for x seconds, etc.
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There was mention in a previous live stream of taking steps to reduce the perk grind now that there are so many teachable perks. Are there are any further plans or ideas making thier way to a PTB, or is this low on the priority list?
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I thought you were totally against protecting the hook (aka camping). Did I miss something?feffrey said:I'm sure you will reply well I had to hook them first
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While that may or may not have been true, they just announced in the live stream that BHVR has hired several ACMs, such as Peanits. I don't know if there are still volunteer mods, but the ACMs are on the payroll.Nanis said:Let me just say these "mods" are volunteer/free paying mods who are power tripping all the time. Most of the time you'll see them is when they need to strike down someone unfairly. You can't expect anything consistent or honorable about them TBH
Source: been playing and participating since a month after game release
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I love the concept!
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That's the right attitude, imo. Everyone has to a take turn being the sacrifical lamb every now and then.Albireo said:If a survivor annoys me too much I'll go after him, because I want to get rid of him.
If a survivor taunts me all day I'm going to ignore him until he walks to me or I catch him off-guard...If I get tunneled and a killer only focuses on me for a big amount of time, and we win, I'll be happy about it. Even if I die. I know I've got my team the match! Who cares about bloodpoints or ranks, they aren't really hard to get in this game.
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Nerfing SC is a pretty solid shadownerf for NC and Sloppy Butcher, which are both currently very strong perks and an amazing combo. I don't want to see SC nerfed, personally.Brady said:@yeet said:
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I quote with reasoning:
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Self Care is not a problem, at all. It's in the meta because it's a simple perk that has common sense to be in the game. And a great plus on actually being a lone wolf. You know, the way the devs originally intended this game would be like.Run without Self Care, at any given rank, and you'll see there isn't a that much of a difference at all. It just makes solo players less reliant on other players, and when you solo, that's something you know.. that's really nice. Stop trying to take that away.
"It'll prevent mindless actions like bodyblocking, etc" lol no it won't and it hasn't. I still bodyblock without Self Care, and so fourth.
And if you change Self Care, Bond's gonna be meta along with the possibility of Botany, Empathy, or Leader making it's way up there too. Give or take. Maybe even We'll Make It will become more meta too. And you know what that means?
Faster Heals, grouped up so faster gen rushes, and way more coordination due to everyone running Bond because Self Care wouldn't even be considered worth a perk slot.
Just my opinion.
healing in general needs to be limited imo
Really? That's a very unreasoning opinion.
survivors currently suffer no penalty for repeated injuries
even the devs have acknowledged this and want to change it, but its always shouted down by survivorsYes, they currently don't. And they shouldn't.
You lost the chase. You weren't able to keep LoS of the Survivor and broke off. You don;t deserve another easy down if you find them again, do you?
Self Care is not a problem and it never has been; playing without self care has no worries because it's simply as easy as finding the next survivor or finding a chest.
pretty disingenuous to claim that the only time a survivor gets injured is during a chase.
god forbid survivors aren't just able to take hits whenever they please and might actually have to think about how they engage the killer rather than just a brainless "I'm always invincible" mentality that they have now.
the devs themselves don't like this, but survivors who want to keep the game a bully simulator decry it every time.You assume that by tampering with Self-Care, it will end risks like bodyblocking.
Not. The. Case.
I'll even be your prime example. I will bodyblock even when I'm injured. I'm not that afraid; I know how to optimally lose a killer, take them on a wild goose chase while injured, or do gens and escape while injured. Not everyone is able to, and you shouldn't take away the most basic mechanic that has the most common sense, in the game.
It seems that the more in the future we go, the more EASIER everyone wants the Killer Side to be. Pallets are a problem, the length of a chase, and gen rushing. Not healing. Prioritize your concerns rather than picking at every single good thing a survivor has in this game. It needs a fair balance, Self care is fine. Use Nurse's, Use BBQ, Use your auditory senses to find survivors. If they healed up before you got to them, it means they deserved the heal.
Also I'll state it again, be careful what you wish for. Completely touching Self Care would switch the meta and you know what the better alternative to self care is? Bond. You know what Bond does? Faster heals, grouped up for gen rush, and also more increase in use of perks like leader, that will make everything faster. Be careful what you want.
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I'm curious, are different mods assigned to different boards? I ask because I can't recall seeing any mod other you in any of the posts in the general discussion forum.Peanits said:It is. I'm currently at work right now. If you see people insulting each other, report them. Most of them go unreported and there's no way we can read every single post. -
On the other hand, you really can't blame the killer if the surv that unhooked hides and the wounded one runs around in the open just begging to be downed. Most of the time when I'm accused of tunelling, I was just c9nsistently going after the first survivor I saw, and the "tunnelled" surv was just terrible at hiding.
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No disagreement here. I only get upset when the opposing side is playing intentionally suboptimal in order grief someone. For example - hard camping the first hook with 5 gens up because the guy had a flashlight, or worse, slugging the obsession and standing over the body for the full bleed out timer while all the gens get done and everyone else escapes, just because they had DS equipped.lasombra1979 said:@Orion said:
Indeed. This is a PvP game, after all.That sadly seems to be a concept forgotten. I never understood comments of "I wont play this way because it is not fun for "insert opposing side" " when playing a PVP game. Sorry, as a killer, my objective is to hook and sacrifice people. As long as the means are allowed and legal by the game mechanics, you damn sure I will camp, tunnel and everything else to kill you. That is the point.
The fact is, though, I rarely see that, despite the impession one might get from the forum posts. -
I'd love to see more "meta" perks on both sides, just to switch it up a little and have more varied matches.Akuma said:Like Selfcare, Iron Will, exhaustion Perks, Adrenaline... new meta perks like killer got (ruin, bbq, bamboozle, pop goes the weasel or franklins demise
Something especially for two mechanics: vaulting and bleeding
something like your vaulting speed is increased by 15% or you angle for a fast vault is idk 20% wider
or you're not bleeding anymore like iron will which makes you completly silent... this would be so good especially in combination or at indoor maps
or maybe your bleed requenzy is tremendously slower like every 8 seconds you leave blood on the ground
this would be nice for some crazy stealth plays^^and nothing like
your wiggle effects are 75% stronger
what are wiggle effects? can you see them? eat them? idkPlaying meta survivor is since 2k16 always the same.. iron will, selfcare, balanced landing are soooo old... it's boring and sorry i dont mean playing another build just for fun no im talking about the meta like "bbq, ruin, enduring/bs"
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Or if other survs body block or distract. Or if you make it a point not to go down right next to a hook, etc. I see it as being similar to ruin in the risk/reward arena - 1/10 matches it is super powerful and the other 9 it's either "meh" or totally useless.feffrey said:
then you'll never get to use the perk unless they're taking you to a far away hookBaphomett said:
Honestly, if they just made all DS checks at the 40% wiggle mark, I'd be fine with the perk as-is. At least then it could be countered effectively in many instances and would be more of a risk/reward to run it.lyric said:
I never even said it was a good counter lol I never said git gud or anything , just simply stating I’ve noticed that I didn’t make the counter don’t blame mepauloandrade22 said:@Master said:
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Buily09 said:"why is Decisive Strike considered Toxic and cancerous?"
* Image at least decent survivor, that is not bad and don't have to be good. It takes a lot of seconds to catch someone if that survivor is using looping (that's classic). If you manage to catch that survivor, this perk will give all other survivors even more time on objectives, that survivor have free escape without only one downside (losing that perk slot for free escape! wow! what a downside, right?! hah). That chase will go on even much longer. If that survivor can loop rly well and know map rly well.... well it's almost all game one chase, gg. It's toxic, becuase you allready take so much time to even catch someone (I don't count noob survivors that go down fast) and then you have to deal with that ******. That's why.
Also, NOED have counterplay, yes, it's still kind off easy perk to use and carry you ezi, but it has counterplay (destroy totems, that's not that hardcore, you can even use "Small game" for it). DS don't rly have counterplay. Only counterplay to DS is that DS user will get down within few meters from hook and you can pick him up and down, but still "bodyblock" says hello, so it can be denied.There is a manual counter to D strike but not a lot of people use it because it’s so rare it wont work majority of the time, but if you time it exactly right and swing at the exact same time they hit the skill check and I mean it has to be spot on, it move cancels D strike and doesn’t drop you, a friend of mine sent me the clip after a match they had and they weren’t in a being hooked animation and far from anything and it got canceled when it hit dead center, I tried it out as killer and it didn’t work for the longest time so I thought it was a fluke because you know how this game can be with bugs, but one day I nailed it dead on and the icon popped up on my screen but they didn’t drop.
So the killer has to hit a lullaby 5, invisible, small skill check that the survivor might not even hit? Holy [BAD WORD].
Classic survivor, dont even bother arguing
Nah hes alright .
I have seen much worse survivors trust me.
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I hope not, but let's face - it takes a certain personality to find facecamping (or hard camping or whatever you want to call it) fun, and those personality types won't be disuaded by anything. Hopefully, the OP will enjoy actually playing DBD instead of a crotch-watching simulator.feffrey said:oh wow another Face camping tunneling killer is born -
This^.Esheon said:You're definitely coming at this from the right direction. As @Spiritbx stated though, in higher ranks most of the players are good runners. Sometimes you will have to just commit to the chase.
You and your friends have exactly the right response to camping. Punish the killer by making sure he only gets one kill.
As for the "why should I care?" question, you shouldn't. Ignore the other side's version of the rules, and play the way that is most rewarding to you. Me, I like to punish farming and selling other people out by going after the offender. Others might just take the free hit/hook. Play how you like.
I will give one benefit to allowing unhooks, though. If you're good enough; if you get more chases, more hits, and more hooks, you get more points. Sometimes camping is the right move, sometimes patrolling, and sometimes just moving on to the next target.
I would add that camping the first hook, or hard camping at any point prior to the exit gates being open, is more or less guaranteed to result in a lousy score for you and a lot of survivor salt. Patrolling nearby gens and staying near-ish the hook without camping it, on the other hand, almost always results in a lot more points, a lot more chases and, IMO, a lot more fun. -
Honestly, if they just made all DS checks at the 40% wiggle mark, I'd be fine with the perk as-is. At least then it could be countered effectively in many instances and would be more of a risk/reward to run it.lyric said:
I never even said it was a good counter lol I never said git gud or anything , just simply stating I’ve noticed that I didn’t make the counter don’t blame mepauloandrade22 said:@Master said:
@pauloandrade22 said:
@lyric said:
Buily09 said:"why is Decisive Strike considered Toxic and cancerous?"
* Image at least decent survivor, that is not bad and don't have to be good. It takes a lot of seconds to catch someone if that survivor is using looping (that's classic). If you manage to catch that survivor, this perk will give all other survivors even more time on objectives, that survivor have free escape without only one downside (losing that perk slot for free escape! wow! what a downside, right?! hah). That chase will go on even much longer. If that survivor can loop rly well and know map rly well.... well it's almost all game one chase, gg. It's toxic, becuase you allready take so much time to even catch someone (I don't count noob survivors that go down fast) and then you have to deal with that ******. That's why.
Also, NOED have counterplay, yes, it's still kind off easy perk to use and carry you ezi, but it has counterplay (destroy totems, that's not that hardcore, you can even use "Small game" for it). DS don't rly have counterplay. Only counterplay to DS is that DS user will get down within few meters from hook and you can pick him up and down, but still "bodyblock" says hello, so it can be denied.There is a manual counter to D strike but not a lot of people use it because it’s so rare it wont work majority of the time, but if you time it exactly right and swing at the exact same time they hit the skill check and I mean it has to be spot on, it move cancels D strike and doesn’t drop you, a friend of mine sent me the clip after a match they had and they weren’t in a being hooked animation and far from anything and it got canceled when it hit dead center, I tried it out as killer and it didn’t work for the longest time so I thought it was a fluke because you know how this game can be with bugs, but one day I nailed it dead on and the icon popped up on my screen but they didn’t drop.
So the killer has to hit a lullaby 5, invisible, small skill check that the survivor might not even hit? Holy [BAD WORD].
Classic survivor, dont even bother arguing
Nah hes alright .
I have seen much worse survivors trust me.
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This is the first discussion I can remember that went this long without the usual suspects popping up with something salty and off-topic. Thank you for participating! I honestly feel a bit better about this forum after seeing these replies.ZombieGenesis said:It's sad but most lightly moderated forums turn into what this place has become. A discussion will happen and then certain posters show up and start slinging insults and diverting attention away from the main topic.
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Fair point. But shouldn't fixing that be a priority for any successful online game? We've all seen many other games go through that pain, and the change is dramatic when the game studio starts taking an active role i curbing the abuse.Master said:@Baphomett said:
First rule of the forum:
"Do not insult, harass or flame other forum members".And yet every thread with more than 2 replied is full of insults and flames.
Certain people are constantly throwing insults and ad hominem attacks on every thread they participate in (we all know who they are).
This forum has become so toxic it is absurd. Even the most reasonable and civil discussion is almost immediately derailed by someone jumping in with some snarky, salty insult or a tantrum rant.
Why would anyone new want to come and participate? Where the hell are the mods and why we do we have to put up with this when we want to discuss the game?
Do you play the game at all?
That should be answer enough.In fact, if you compare toxicity in the forum to the game, then the forum is holy in comparison
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Ikr? I feel like I should have a cane to shake at all the salty kids and tell stories about walking uphill in the snow to a cyber cafe just to play LAN games.
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"Therefore, I clearly cannot drink from the glass in front of ME..."CallMeRusty420 said:@SovererignKing said:
I find the Oni Mask close up far too straightforward which is why I don’t think it’s an Oni. The developers love their curveballs, the Oni Mask is just too obvious.But what if the curveball is the obviousness of it sense people like you might take it as something that would be too obvious but then it's what was right in front of you from the beginning? Reverse psychology >.>
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Tunnelling, camping and looping are all common complaints and there is no convincing the people complaining that there is any validity to those strategies. As a survivor, I dont get mad at the killer for tunnelling - that's just optimal strategy. If two adversaries can do equal damage to you, you target the weaker on first.
What I do get upset about is other survivirs feeding me to the killer to be tunneled. If the killer isn't busy and you unhook someone, at least take a hit for them to give them a chance to run. It's common courtesy, people. -
Unfortunately, that's my impression, too. It seems you have to do something particularly eggregious, or direct at a mod, to get noticed.ZombieGenesis said:This forum is largely the Wild West. It seems like some mods occasionally take an interest but it's not consistent by any means.
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Fair point. DbD is, after all, the totality of existence ; )Orion said:@Baphomett said:
Just so everyone is clear, the term facecamping predates DbD and was used in other games to mean camping in very close proximity, ie in your face. The confusion comes from OG DbD players arguing semantics when newer players use the term in this context.Please, everyone knows games weren't a thing until DbD came out. If there were games before that, then why did everyone assume everyone else with a private profile had it because of DbD?
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It's also worth noting that camping, tunnelling and looping are all valid tactics at the disposal of the players, although all three are frowned upon by the other side and often mislabelled as toxic, because they emphasize "winning" over everyone having fun in the match.
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Just so everyone is clear, the term facecamping predates DbD and was used in other games to mean camping in very close proximity, ie in your face. The confusion comes from OG DbD players arguing semantics when newer players use the term in this context.Orion said:@ceridwen309 said:
The term "face-camping" continued to get used by enough users to indicate that killer was staring into a hooked victim's face. Several players became divided over this terminology, and some attempted to incorporate a new term: "hard camping".The new term is still met with some resistance today.
It's not a new term. It was used concurrently with facecamping to reflect the type of camping that is now referred to as facecamping by those who don't know what facecamping actually means.
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It looks like it's Thursday at 16:00 UTC, if that helps.
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Sorry, didnt realize you were that into buttplugs. Carry on.Milo said:@Baphomett said:
Baphomett said:I feel like DS is becoming a challenge perk, like no mither. You get three hits before you go down, but that first hook will be facecamped until you die.
INB4 - Facecamping doesn't exist anymore, you are using the wrong term for standing with the killers face in the survivirs crotch for 2 munutes!
Hard Camping can you now talk about the topic?
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We already have one, it's called "We're Gonna Live Forever".
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Well, then... hat's off to you, sir!powerbats said:@Baphomett said:
Gut gud, noob. I get rank 1 every season as perkless wraith - without cloaking!
Now that's dedication but as a Claudette I've run around nude the entire season perkless and danced my way to rank 1. I've even taken Bill to rank 1 perkless with nothing but his hat on.
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INB4 - Facecamping doesn't exist anymore, you are using the wrong term for standing with the killers face in the survivirs crotch for 2 munutes!Baphomett said:I feel like DS is becoming a challenge perk, like no mither. You get three hits before you go down, but that first hook will be facecamped until you die. -
I feel like DS is becoming a challenge perk, like no mither. You get three hits before you go down, but that first hook will be facecamped until you die.
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Gut gud, noob. I get rank 1 every season as perkless wraith - without cloaking!ZombieGenesis said:
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Unsalted? Butter-free? That, sir, is heresy.1Handirl said:I'm already full from my unsalted and butter free popcorn. This was too funny to me.
This guy gets triggered by his own responses. What a fail.
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I still say the answer is to remove the hatch grab entirely for the killer and give survivors the exposed status within 16 meters of the open hatch.
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We see these posts more or less daily on the forums. The devs have said they were considering it at one point but there has been no further mention of dedicated servers in a while.