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The hair looks absolutely terrible, but what I have the most trouble adjusting to is her new teeth/mouth. She looks like a rabbit.
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@Dino7281 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2404050#Comment_2404050
Well, but we know we are getting "robbed".
Problem is that survivos don't need to finish animation, they just need to start it and server will protect them.
Try to play Wraith for some time and you will see.
That's incorrect. Per the update, "As you can see, the server receives the pallet stun first, and then knows to reject the Killer’s hit as a result. That said, we have not changed how the mechanic of a pallet stun works – the pallet will still need to be approximately 50% of the way down before it stuns the Killer."
The survivor has to initiate a stun before the killer swings, and the pallet must also be about 50% down. It's not simply "starting it."
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@Cornpopers_Evan said:
I still personally use it as "do NOT come for me, killer is camping me, go do gens or something." Sadly though, that gesture has become so wishy washy that it doesn't really have a meaning anymore. :(
You're right. The meaning is lost, but the problem I found was, newer players (and I mean people who have even been playing DBD for years, not just within the last couple of months) had no idea there wasn't a consensus. OGers and people who started within maybe a year or 2 max of DBD coming out usually knew it meant "The killer is camping." But since the meaning changed, the newer players don't know the original meaning, so there's a big disconnect in solo queue. And the problem is, if you don't know there's a disconnect, you will think your teammates are ignoring you. "Why is no one coming to get me?" Or "Why are they coming when they could be doing gens? We're going to lose because they all got off gens."
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@AshInTheTallGrass said:
I always assumed that a survivor waving their arms on the hook meant, "Somebody come get me because no one is!"
Then I recently heard others say it meant, "The Killer is camping." And those people were usually the ones who had been playing DBD from the beginning.
So what do you think it means when you see it?
Update: In reading all these comments, the answer is, there is no consensus.
Some people feel it's one of the other, others have specific cues for certain situations. So the next time you go into second hook because you were waving your arms or you weren't waving your arms, it could be that your teammates thought you were saying the exact opposite of what you meant--not that they were intentionally screwing you over. We probably should just decide on how to signal "Killer is camping" and "No one is coming for me." But until then (or if ever), at least now there's awareness.
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@Sherry said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2399578#Comment_2399578
I learned it from Ohmwrecker. He thinks it means, come get me, so I just go with that.
Yeah there's no consensus even among streamers. I'm pretty sure Ohm isn't an OG player, which might explain his interpretation. I didn't even realize until recently that people had different interpretations of the signal.
I've seen streams where some people went into stage 2 even though they were waving, so they intentionally screwed over their teammates the rest of the game out of spite. Could've been those teammates simply thought the killer was camping, not that they were asking to be unhooked. Explains a lot.
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@FancyMrB said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2401003#Comment_2401003
Oh yes! If I get close and the hooked survivor is spazzing out I take it slow and looks for traps/ killers without terror radius ^^
I'm glad you do! Every time I try to warn people they just barrel right through and get trapped haha
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@FancyMrB said:
Waving constantly = camping
Waving a couple times as the timer goes down = get me off now!
Our of curiosity, did you ever get a different interpretation when you were nearing the hook and the hooked survivor started doing it? Sometimes, sudden arm waving is a warning for a trap.
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The Mummy licensed from the 1999 movie, so Rick O'Connell is a survivor and I can run around on an ancient Egypt map.
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@yobuddd said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2400301#Comment_2400301
Well, yeah, you’re right. However, getting streamers to agree on a unified message message would be.....unlikely.
Though the devs may not carry the most weight on this topic, I think a really easy way for them to bring people around to one point of view would be to simply put their preferred meaning into the loading screen tips. Newer players would believe the tip, and older players would assume other people are following the same mindset that is now so visible.
I would hope that a symbol would be easier for the biggest streamers to get behind (ranking perks and killers, however, no chance! haha). But you're right to be suspicious. And good point about it being put in as a tip. Judging by how varied the opinions are on this thread, I think the devs would piss off a lot players if they made a determination on its meaning. So many people are tied to the OG view that it only means camping and that any other interpretation is wrong, and others (like me) think the meaning has changed and too many people don't use it that way anymore (personally, I don't care what it means. I just wish it was consistent).
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@yobuddd said:
I would love to see the devs come out and put this to rest once and for all. “Flapping arms on the hook means ______.” And finally everyone can be on the same page about it.
I think it's got to be the biggest streamers. If there's a consensus there, and then it gets reinforced over and over, then it'll be mostly agreed upon and trickle down. But since waving is a survivor "creation" (meaning the devs didn't put in the ability to wave to signal one specific message. It's a byproduct of attempting to unhook yourself), not enough of the community would care even if they gave their two cents.
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@[Deleted User] said:
I think it means that there hasn't been any official confirmation one way or the other, and it's ambiguous.
You are right. It is ambiguous. But not everyone realizes that. So people wave their arms and think the other survivors get their intended meaning, but these comments show that's probably not the case.
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@PigMainBigBrain said:
Means the killer is camping....that being said....as a killer when I see you doing it and I'm like....100 meters away...you look ridiculous.
Because of these replies, I'm guessing it either means "I'm bored" or "No one is coming to get me" when you see it.
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@Moisette said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2399610#Comment_2399610
I understand what you mean and see why it can be confusing.
This game is extremely complicated, in my opinion. Some people say this and other people say that and it's very confusing. I'm someone that gets easily confused so the game can be a pain sometimes.
For me personally, when someone gets hooked and flails, I will sneak over and scout out the area before ever doing the save. Sometimes they're just saying "Please get me!" and sometimes they're saying "They're camping!"
Since the meaning isn't universal, that's probably the best you can do.
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@Amb104 said:
You're always going to be camped, so not really sure why you're asking, but lets say the camper is playing fair:
I would leave my arms hanging if someone is already coming for me, so the others can work on gens or whatever without rushing to me. If nobody is coming, then flail your arms until they fall out of their sockets.
I don't understand your first part, but the reason why the question was asked was because I wanted to hear how the community interpreted arm waving on the hook. And it turns out, there are a lot of different interpretations, often contradictory. And therefore, many people aren't aware that their intended meaning isn't getting received by the other survivors.
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@Moisette said:
I only wave my arms when the Killer is camping. If teammates continue to get closer, I start holding the button down like I'm going to attempt to jump off but stop shortly before the bar fills. As someone that only plays solo, that's all I think I can do xD;
The only other time is if I had a good chase and finally got downed and hooked, and it's like a "Yay! You got me! -flail-" or if the Killer slashes me on hook, I'll wave my arms like "Don't you slash me! -flail-" but it's only a couple times as soon as I'm hooked.
Other than those, I don't do anything but sit on the hook and wait.
It's funny you said that because some people said "no one is getting me" could be determined by if the survivor is "attempting." And that's what you do when survivors are coming and the killer is camping.
I've read probably every comment and all I've learned is, there is no consistency. But a lot of people share the same interpretation and it works for them (but consequently, those same people assume the exact opposite of the other players and then it doesn't work). No wonder people get mad that they're dying on hook, or that people got off gens to get them even though the killer was wasting time camping.
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@Dehitay said:
It originally meant that the killer is camping. Nowadays people don't seem to understand that, but I just treat it as if that's the case. If somebody's waving their arms, I just stick on the generator. Hopefully, people will learn the meaning of that movement eventually.
I think it's mostly the OGers who think of it that way (they're outnumbered by the non-OG players) so it's not going to revert back to that meaning. The only way it would is if the bigger streamers started advocating for it consistently, and then that got reinforced in forum posts, comments, etc, so that it becomes the norm. But I do like the idea of a "come get me warning." Maybe like others suggested, there could be differences. Fake attempting (actually grabbing the hook) could mean "no one is getting me." And simply wiggling your arms at any speed you want could mean "the killer is nearby or camping."
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@KerJuice said:
For the players who flail when they want someone to come get them, they need to stop when they actually see a fellow survivor on the way. So many times I have been pulled off a a gen and someone else was already going before me. Or I’d have a build with Bond and I see someone else get off their gen while I’m closer and already in route, because the entitled jerk on hook wants you to arrive quicker. Don’t even get me started on those who try to Kobe in front off you after pulling two people off gens. 🤬
That’s solo que’s biggest weakness- everyone leaving their gens to go for a save.
Very disappointed to hear ppl do this because they’re bored. It’s confusing and misinterpreted enough, without an unnecessary factor added to the mix. No disrespect to those who do, it’s just that excessive flailing really grinds my gears.
Agreed. It also runs the risk that the next time that person is hooked, they might die on stage 2 simply because the other survivors think "well someone is bound to get him so I'm not getting off my gen this time." Problem is everyone feels that way, so no one gets him. We just have too many different interpretations, it seems. No wonder solo queue is the way it is sometimes. We all think we understand what the other is saying and we don't.
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@GentlemanFridge said:
As an avid Kindred user, I can confidently say that it cannot be assigned any meaning at all. For the sole reason that it’s literally the only thing a hooked survivor can do.
If you assign any meaning to it, there’s just way too much potential for misinformation, to the point that you may as well check anyway.
They may be tabbed out when being facecamped, leaving them limp. They may be bored and spam it. They may be doing it in rhythm to the music they’re listening to. You simply don’t have any certainty. Then there’s also the matter of interpretation by others. What is considered quick? Do they even notice you doing it at all?
When you have big content creators who don’t even have a consistent meaning for themselves, let alone one agreed upon - and, more importantly, actually consistently used as such - by multiple content creators, you cannot expect the majority of players to know and express one single meaning.
Exactly. There are so many meanings. Some people think it's totally meaningless, others are strongly in the "killer is camping" camp and the "come get me camp." And with big time streamers having different interpretations, there is no consistency. But I don't think a lot of the community realizes that. This chat thread has been very eye opening.
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@DBD78 said:
What does it mean when I point and crouch three times? That means Myers is there watch out. If I crouch four times it's Ghostface, two times it's Wraith and if I do nothing it's Pig because, it's only Pig.
Ok good so now I know every solo survivors knows what I'm trying to tell them 😀
There really should be more "if a survivors does this, it means that" for solos. Would be easy to have a system for telling the other person if you are pointing about a stealth killer, or where the hatch is or where I spotted a hex totem.
Lol if you found a teammate who could understand all that you'd've struck gold
Yeah after reading how many different interpretations there are I think we should try to pick one and stick with it. I like some people's interpretations: fake attempting means "come get me." waving my arms means "killer is camping/nearby."
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@Dingo88 said:
Even if the killer is camping me and my mate can usually get them of with big brain plays and little skill. But the majority of the time when Iv found them doing it the killer ain't been there
So you don't think it means "the killer is camping"?
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I really, really don't like what they did to Kate's teeth, but other than that I'm okay with it. I don't like the Feng update at all. I rotate mostly between Feng, Kate, and Claud as my mains and I've also not liked playing them as much since the update. At least Nea was a vast improvement. I played her for the first time in years because of it.
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@Dingo88 said:
I always thot it was a sighn the killer had left and usually it is
A lot of these comments were people basically saying "it means the killer is camping so I'm not going to go get you off the hook." We really have so many different interpretations. No wonder people go into stage 2 when they're on the first hook.
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@stikyard said:
I do it when the Killer is nearby to signal that he is camping, also to make noise so the Killer might not hear nearby survivors.
That's new! Haven't heard anyone say they "attempt" to make noise to disguise survivor sounds. I wonder how that works on the killer's end (meaning, does it work). Cool idea.
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@VioletCrimes said:
If a survivor is doing it constantly, I assume they’re just bored.
I do it as a “hey, the killer is actually right here, don’t grab me” signal, but I notice most survivors don’t adhere to that.
I bet those people thought you were trying to say, "come get me." Especially when a killer is face camping it can be a two man job, so I wouldn't be surprised if it never occurred to them that you weren't asking for help, just warning them.
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@Jacoby2041 said:
The way I do it is:
Long presses, like I'm going to try to escape but not actually filling the progress bar - no one is coming, someone needs to come
Quick repeated taps, not raising arms all the way, like my character is twitching or something - the killer is close, faster based on proximity
Rapid short presses in such a way that my arms are constantly flailing up and down without stopping - I'm about to ######### die and you left me hanging, or I'm bored with nothing better to do
The last one lol
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@Gcarrara said:
As other have expressed, i use them continuosly and almost filling the whole bar to indicate when the Killer is camping.
I do it briefly once or twice to indicate that noone is coming and i could go into the second phase if someone doesn't start running towards me.
Of course you can never be sure it gets interpreted the right way 😅
Nope! Especially not after reading all these different interpretations! 😂
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@Pukenplag said:
I've been here since day -14 (I think, game wasn't on steam yet) and played since day 194. All the youtubers I watched taught me that arm waving means "come save me ffs". So that's what I learnt.
I later found out this was wrong. I only do arm waving when I see someone hesitate coming to save me and I just try to signal exactly the "come save me ffs".
I don't know that I would call it wrong (judging by the replies a lot of people think it means come save me). But it's just not standardized. We all mean different things. Some people are just bored, some are saying f u to the killer, others are signaling a camping or nearby killer, others want someone to get them, some are warning of traps. Hopefully you get teammates who get your meaning because if not, it could mean you die on hook or tick off a bunch of people who got off gens to save you and then got downed by an insidious camping bubba.
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@Red_Beard said:
I started playing near the end of 2017. The general consensus then was waving your arms meant I'm being camped. Even then though, there was debate about it. But I'm stuck in my old ways mostly so this is what I mean when I do it.
Waving my arms repeatedly means killer is camping me or patrolling the hook.
Grabbing hold of the hook and letting go at the last second before unhook attempt means I'm ready to be unhooked, come and get me.
Attempting to unhook myself means you are crouch walking too me for no reason or healing right beside the hook when the killer isn't near so you better unhook me before I hit stage two because if I do I'm going to kill myself on the hook or if you get me before I die I will run straight to the killer and let him down me.
When it is someone else, I just ignore what they are doing and figure it out for myself. If the gen I am on is close to finished, I will finish the gen. If not, I will run over to the hook and use my eyes and ears to figure out what the killer is doing.
I also get a little salty sometimes when people try to unhook themselves in front of me when I am running up to unhook them. I have on occasion stood there and let them hit stage 2. Kobe at your own risk.
Yeah I was pretty surprised at how specific the answers for some people were. A lot of people use the speed of the arm waving or the extent of the arm motion (like grabbing the hook versus a full arm wave) to try to signal different things. It's no wonder there's confusion in solo queue.
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@AVoiceOfReason said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2397425#Comment_2397425
The initial use was and has always been the same. Just because someone down the line has chosen to make it different, doesn't mean the original isn't the true way. If someone is waving their arms, no one is going for them. Making obvious changes to something that is simple and easy to understand is detrimental and has caused many issues in the past 2 years to this game. Camped, wave your arms so no one continues to run towards you then stop. Waving your arms because YOU want to get unhooked without anyone knowing where the killer is, serves no purpose. People will come for you on the hook when you're halfway, someone else gets hit or they see the Entity Spikes move around. There is no reason to move your arms around just because you want someone to rescue you. Be patient and wait. You wave your arms, no one wants to run over there just to get hit on the way to the hook then traded by a camper when they can finish gens and get you before you die.
If that were true, there would be no reason why people go into stage 2.
I get what you're saying. You learned it meant one thing and you base your understanding of what's going on around it. It's understandable and there's nothing wrong with that. But what I am saying is, not through fault or anything nefarious, that meaning has been lost over time, especially to newer players (and I don't mean a few weeks. I've been playing for a couple of years and I asked a few buddies who have been playing for longer before posting this forum). So that's why this informal poll was done, to get a feel for what the community thinks, because that's important to know during a game. If someone wants to make it a point to get the meaning clarified, that's great. Some people think waving should mean camping but that fake "attempting" should mean no one is getting me. That's fine, too. But until that happens, there is going to be miscommunication and I think it's good to be aware of it.
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@AVoiceOfReason said:
Waving your hands initially to show the killer is camping then you stop. If you see a survivor running towards you, you do it until the survivor stops and turns around. That is how it has always been and always will be. If you aren't being camped and you wave your hands, sucks to be you. There is no reason to wave your hands to get rescued. Everyone knows you're hooked. Waving your hands to get us to come faster isn't something you should do. It's a waste of time. Be patient and wait. If you know you're being insidious camped, give those hands a throw to warn us from a possible down.
That doesn't seem to be the consensus based on these comments. So many people are now playing DBD, some of varying years, so the meaning has changed and not everyone knows what it means anymore. It's not an intentional thing. It's just a product of time and change. And since it's not something that gets talked about in streams, videos, or forums, people don't know any differently. But we all know that there are plenty of times when you go into stage 2 simply because no one is coming, so I get and agree with people trying to signal that by using their arms. Having a teammate dead on hook, especially at the beginning of the game, hurts the entire team. It's one less body to loop, do gens, or stumble upon the hex totem. And sometimes waving your arms is the only reason you get saved because people believe it means "come get me."
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@Boss said:
Didn't the mid-chapter patch make it so the game has to choose one of the 2?
I saw a Youtube video clip where a killer hit the survivor as the survivor was throwing the pallet. The killer got stunned, but he heard the survivor scream from a hit, and he thought he downed her. But she kept running and he was confused. It was explained in the comments that with the new patch, what happened was the survivor threw the pallet before the killer hit her, so that's why he got stunned. But because of his latency, he still got a noise notification that she was hit. Did the survivor get that same noise on their end? I don't know. But yes, based off of the patch and that video, that was my understanding of what was supposed to happen so I'm confused as to what happened with you. But Shinobusk seems to have a good answer. I think the devs should clarify though.
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@Itslat3ncy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2397190#Comment_2397190
Ha competent teammates oh plz I solo q being competent doesnt exist
I read that and thought, "I'm competent." But now I feel like that scene from Infinity War when the Guardians find Thor.
"He is not a dude. You're a dude. This, this is a man. A handsome, muscular man."
"I'm muscular."
"Who you kidding, Quill? You're one sandwich away from fat."
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The bored ones are probably in the most trouble lol if they've got teammates who think it means the killer is camping, they're probably going to die on first hook. If they've got teammates who think it means "no one is coming" and two or three survivors run to the hook at once to get them, they might let him linger on stage 2 a lot longer because they assume someone else has got it lol
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@xEa said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2397148#Comment_2397148
Thats very true. For me it means the killer is camping. Maybe it would be a good idea to create a poll and go with the general understanding of it.
Yeah. Some people were really specific in what they think it means. Some were:
If the arm waving starts immediately after being hooked, it means the killer is camping.
If the survivor is faking getting themselves off, it means "come get me."
If the survivor moves their arms rapidly, it means camping. But if they do just one or two, it means "come get me."
Sometimes it's even a warning of a trap (I've done that myself).
Some people think it strictly means camping, others it strictly means "come get me."
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@xEa said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2395803#Comment_2395803
Nobody is saving because they interpretate from your gesture that the killer is camping?
Judging from the replies, a lot of people do think it means "come get me." Since there's no consensus, it explains why there's confusion in solo queue. No one knows what the other is trying to say but we all think we do.
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@[Deleted User] said:
They're an impatient litt- ... It's lost all meaning tbh. Some people do it because the killer is right there, others do it when the killer isn't even around. Generally speaking, seeing a survivor do that when I'm playing survivor, makes me not want to rescue them.
I only see it as impatient when someone is almost at the hook to get them and they're still doing it. (And that's obviously if they're not trying to warn of a trap or camping). Other than that, I see it as trying to be helpful. (It's safe to come get me/The killer is here/There's a trap). Sometimes somebody dying on first hook is enough to make the whole game go under because it snowballs. But seeing how many people interpret it differently, it makes sense why there's confusion in solo queue.
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@DelsKibara said:
I take it as "COME ######### RESCUE ME YOU ######### #########!"
Or some variation of that.
I'm definitely not projecting my solo queue experience.
Oh no, definitely NOT projecting . . .
:)
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@Afius said:
My wife uses it as a "suck it" gesture to the killer if the killers camping, we get a kick out of it.
haha that's a new one
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@IlliterateGenocide said:
Waving ur hands no longer means camping, it "stop doing opening that dang chest. I'm gonna go to second hook"
The pain of solo queue
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@Kirkylad said:
It's always meant they're being camped to me, so if a survivor is doing it and they aren't they need to figure that out or they're going to be left on the hook to die a lot lol.
In reading all the responses I've been surprised at how many people have different interpretations of what it means. Hopefully you luck out with teammates who think of it the same way as you mean it.
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@Zokenay said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2395800#Comment_2395800
Wait thats a thing? i didnt even knew lol
Yeah, whenever the obsession is in chase with the killer, those spider leg looking ( ) around the name move. It's helpful if you're aware of it because it lets you know the killer is busy.
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@McFALLENONE said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/269725/zombies-should-occasionally-carry-items
I can't imagine this would be useful for any side, for killer your risking a chance of spawning another chest, and for survivors wasting a valuable resource such as a pallet is probably not worth it (Not to mention the killer will know where you are.)
I agree with this, but I'd like to add that, from a programming standpoint, I don't think this would work. There're already a lot of lag issues when going against Nemesis. The zombies take up a lot of memory and are also very buggy (running into things, getting stuck, etc.). Adding items to them would only make the problem worse. In a different game, that'd be a great idea.
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Nea went from the Entity incarnate to a normal looking character.
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@neonblush said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2396053#Comment_2396053
The nostalgia is definitely a thing for me too. But the thing that always bothered me about Feng was how low quality her face was before - she was cute but didn’t look like a real person haha
Well I think we can at least agree that Nea is infinitely better now at least haha
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@StardustSpeedway said:
I always have assumed for years that it means the killer is camping and I base it off that. That's what I do anyway and most survivors seem to understand. I'll do "unhook" attempts to signal them that it's ok for them to come and rescue me.
Crazy how different the interpretations are. People mean a lot of things, sometimes with very pretty specific cues.
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I'm usually a Feng main and I prefer the pre-rework Feng. Could be just nostalgia, but I think she looked better before.
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Oni, Billy, Demo, and Nurse, to name a few. I like more killers than I dislike.
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@Botiz said:
If i'm not waving it usually means i'm waiting for the killer to leave the area before:
I do it once or twice i'm telling someone to start running to the hook to save me
If i'm doing it constantly it probably means i'm close to second stage or death and I desperately want someone to save me before I do go into second stage or do die
That's what I would assume you meant if we were in a match together, so at least I'd get you haha
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@KerJuice said:
I was considering making a thread on this (still might), in hopes of getting the community to rally together and make it an official signal. I haven’t been here since Day 1 unfortunately. I started right after Legion dropped. My interpretation was waving your arms meant the killer left and to the best of your knowledge, it’s safe to come get me. I’m shocked to see all the responses in here stating once upon a time it actually meant the killer is camping, do gens. That’s interesting. Now I get why some players were waving their arms and the killer was still there. I thought the player on hook was being entitled. Yea there’s big confusion on this, and it hurts solo que a little. I always appreciate Kindred when players run it.
Yeah in reading all these replies I've realized there's a lot more interpretations than I thought, down to even the speed someone uses to wave their arms.
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@Jarol said:
When I lift to half the shoulder, I make signs that they come to look for me, if someone comes I stop doing it and if I do like crazy it means that they do not come for me, they are camping or it is a trap.
In reading all these responses, it makes sense why sometimes there's confusion on what the signal actually means. I kinda do the same. If someone is coming to get me and hag or trapper put a trap, I wave my arms frantically when they're nearby to try to warn them. Doesn't work. Guess we all use the arm waving to mean different things, sometimes even contradictory to each other.