Davids outfit situation
can a dev give me an honest answer on why david has been getting neglected since he came out as gay? like im not saying that its intentional but its weird
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can a dev give me an honest answer on why david has been getting neglected since he came out as gay? like im not saying that its intentional but its weird
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Idk, maybe because he’s not as popular and isn’t one of their money maker survivors? David is not the only survivor who hasn’t gotten many cosmetics, so I don’t know why it’s “weird”.
But you are implying it, because you mentioned him being gay in connection to his lack of cosmetics. I feel like some people want this to be the case because every time I see the subject of cosmetics for David brought up his sexuality is always mentioned.
It's because nobody uses him, he won't make money so no point making skins for him, nothing to do with the fact he's gay
jonah has less players and just got an outfit so thats not a reason
he got more outfits before he came out so it has something to do with it i dont want it to but i fear it has
Im not sure if this is true but I'm guessing jonah has way fewer skins than David king, so I guess it's due. If not let me know though.
I see Jonah more frequently than I see David.
Ok then maybe a bunch of hetero males stopped using David after he was confirmed gay because they could no longer relate with that character? It would explain the drop in his pick rate, but still isn’t weird.
I want him to get a techy skin like Vittorio and Jonah did, or a nice fitted tux.. hmmmm
Is this like the new thing now just call BHVR bigots because they wont release an outfit for David? This is the second discussion on the front page relating to this
It's so stupid aha, people are just trying to create a problem that doesn't exist.
Thats how it is people just look for stuff to get offended over I guess the devs hate French people because Twins hasn't gotten a cosmetic in forever too
If you don't mind ill be making a post about that to take the piss 🤣
im just asking why he hasnt gotten a real store release in over a year is that forbidden now????? srsly i didnt ask you
A lot of players dropped David after he was revealed to be gay. Now that few people play him there's less point in releasing skins because they wont make as much money.
So it -kinda- is because he's gay but more due to the player reaction to it. If so many players didn't drop him, he'd likely be getting more skins.
I think its going to get much worse as time goes on. There will always be a problem somewhere. The devs literally go out of their way to highlight the lgbt community year around, especially in June and people still think they are not genuine in their support.
David has issue with costumes like other unpopular survivors.
Adam did not got any costume for long time and he got some lately. Same goes for Jeff, Jane, Jonah, Haddie, Jake etc. You see these survivors are getting costumes rarely.
Because making costumes is not free. And when you use money for it, you will expect to get some profit.
You have survivors which guaranteed moneymakers: Kate, Mikaela, Meg, Claud, Nea, Yun Jin, Vittorio, Dwight, Felix etc. Would you focus on your moneymaker characters or characters which has pretty small playerbase? Answer is clear.
David deserves some costumes but i don't think they are not making costumes because he is gay. They stopped make them because David is not popular anymore. A lot people stopped play him after he revealed as gay. You can't force people to play him, so if he won't get more players most likely his costumes will be rare like other unpopular survivors.
At least David got some recolors in rifts, unlike TWINS...
He still has way more skins than 70% of survivors?
He already has a lot of skins anyway. At least compared to my main
Thats a reach. Because him being revealed gay gave him more players as well within the lgbt community. I believe its simply due the fact that he isnt getting many skins as of now which is why you dont see him often and others are getting new skins. I rarely saw yunjins last year but now im seeing her more after getting more skins. It really correlates to who is getting skins at the moment.
Gotta keep pumping out those Feng skins
This is not always true. Ofcourse, Yun Jin had potential to rise. And when she got some new and decent costumes, we started see her more. But this did not work with Adam, Haddie, Jeff and Elodie. These survivors got new costumes but yet, still they are not popular.
But ofcourse they should give some costumes to David. He did not get any new costume for almost a year.
I swear most of the people do this because they want to be feel ,,attacked“ for some reason so they come up with stuff like this even tho it has nothing to do with it.
David got alot of outfits already and there are alot of characters who also didnt got any outfits since a long time.
Ok i see your point. But i just wanted to say its not good to say that a company stops giving a survivor skins because of their sexual orientation reveal. Its like giving the impression that behavior, a company that supports the lgbt community, are giving bigots a win by neglecting a character because they stop playing him. Yea he lost some players from that, but he gained some as well and made an impact in real issues than any survivor on the roster.
And i must say i still hold my ground on skins being tied to playability athough i do agree with your point. Because i actually have seen more jeffs, adams, and haddie due to new skins. But i have not seen more elodies. Most likely because her recent skin wasnt great and it was just one outfit over many months
To be fair, this could be part of BHVRs change when it comes to which characters get cosmetics. Jonah is very unpopular, but is getting more cosmetics recently. Same with Haddie, which even got announced by BHVR. So it can be the same thing, just because they only mentioned Haddie does not mean that she is the only one getting more Cosmetics.
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DId someone check if this is even an outlier? If I am not mistaken, even before knowing that he is gay, David was not as popular as other Survivors when it comes to Skins.
David used to get more skins but he's never been one of the Chosen Ones who get featured in every collection. Him being gay and not getting cosmetics is only related by the fact that he dropped in popularity after being confirmed gay. More popular characters get more skin, he was more popular before people knew he was gay, so now he doesn't get as many. It's disappointing but not really surprising tbh.
And unrelated but I love how you said "since he came out as gay" as if he became sentient and said he's gay out of his own free will
It's mentionned in every post about his lack of cosmetics because the last cosmetic he got was for his coming out tome, it's literally just a landmark stop trying to make it weird.
Saying "David hasn't had a cosmetic since his coming out" is the same thing as saying "Wraith hasn't had a cosmetic since the last anniversary", it's just to say it's been a long time.
I promise you using the words "gay" or "coming out" really isn't that big of a deal. As you can see per this discussion there's way more people crying about "what do cosmetics have to do with him being gay" than they are people actually making it about him being gay. Y'all just freak out whenever something reminds you gay people exist.
Too many characters. Not enough artists.
Feng stonks are up baby. Actually us feng players havent had a nice equal attention skin in a while. I mean, we know we're amazing. It'd just be nice if the devs confirmed it.
You didn't ask "Why hasn't David gotten any cosmetics" dont tell fibs you literally implied that BHVR are bigots and had to slap him being gay as the reason as to why he hasn't gotten any don't play dumb also you didn't ask me? Who were you asking then this is an open forum LOL
Just out of interest, does David being revealed as gay coincide (roughly) with any Dead Hard nerfs or adjustments? For the most part, the only reason people play certain Survivors is to get their perks. Dead Hard, of course, has been substantially nerfed fairly recently, but a lesser change previously could have produced the slow decline we've seen in his use.
I imagine for a lot of newer players, David being free and (at the time) having the best perk in the game would have influenced his pick rate to a significant degree. DH nerfed = less people playing him to get his perk/lower use rate = less costumes. Of course, on top of that, being free, once people start buying characters, they're going to be less likely to go back to ones they haven't paid for. Meg is the exception in that respect but she also has really good perks, so there's an endless stream of newer players using her to unlock them. Good perks = higher, more consistent use rate = more costumes.
That's the one he got when he was revealed gay, he hasn't gotten anything since (and it was a year ago)
Dwight, Meg, Nea and Claud are popular survivors tho. And all of them are free and have decent perks. They have good playerbase, not only new players. Also veterans plays them as well.
David and Jake are not popular tho even they are free as well. But both of them have garbage perks, maybe that's why new players are not picking them.
Both Dead Hard and We're Gonna Live Forever were substantially nerfed shortly after.
How many people have stopped playing him because he's gay? Do you have numbers somehow indicating that's the specific reason?
All I have is my own experience and while David was never like -super- popular, he was always fairly popular because he's free. Within a month or two of him being revealed as gay I noticed playing with and playing against far fewer Davids.
Notice how they don't respond to this even though we all know he got a outfit in December, lol classic
Right after it was announced I saw him used a ton more than usual, and since going back to normal usage I haven't noticed much difference. But there have been like 6 more survivors released since then and a ton of cool skins in the store or events or rifts. 4 more male survivors have gotten shirtless or revealing cosmetics, 2 of those being on or right after their release.
Not saying some people didn't stop using David because he's gay, but to claim it's a lot and for that specific reason is a huge stretch with no actual evidence to back it up.
It’s pretty easy to assume that a lot of hetero males stopped playing David after he was revealed to be gay. It’s not even close to be a stretch.
Again as somebody mentioned, DH is not sought after anymore, so that also plays a part.
Not, it's really not easy to assume. Especially if you're going to throw around words like "a lot." What's a lot? 500? 1000? In comparison to how many tens of thousands of players there are? That's not a lot lol. What about David mains who just stopped playing the game for other reasons? There are a ton of reasons David may be played less (and we do not even know if that's actually true btw) and there's no reason to assume "a lot" of them suddenly decided to stop maining David simply because he's gay.
Personally, I don't main any survivors. I play the new ones when they come out and then go back to others when they get skins I like. Somebody could assume I don't play David because he's gay, but I don't because there are like 30 other characters with new skins coming out weekly.
Youre asking a question to which youve already formed an answer yourself and are seeking verification from others
David's popularity has gone down for 1 main reason, being BHVR created competition for him.
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wow a limited time event skin
Wow it's still a skin, even if you weren't playing at the time that's on you it's not everyone else's problem you want to bait people into a argument about how you think BHVR hasn't released cosmetics because of a character THEY created being gay, ya know because it makes sense to be mad at themselves for something they wanted to happen and then punish all the players they made want the character after that. 🙄
David King is less popular now and that’s probably due to a combination of things. It may be that the reveal of his orientation drove some people away, but it could also be because his perks were nerfed. Additionally BHVR has released more handsome male survivors and some have shirtless options. So David is loud, he has bad perks, and has a lot of competition—those are three additional reasons why people just may not choose him anymore.
How can there be competition when he's not getting any new skins over a long period of time? Why play a character thats not getting anything when u could play someone else that gets something every update and thats new. If he got more new skins then he would be played more
Now that I think about it... didnt he get a skin during the winter event?
Also for a LONG period of time he was the only 'hot' male Survivor. Good chunk have been added since. Also guessing his pick rate dropped when DH got nerfed (twice).
More skins don't always equal more players. The character has to be appealing and interesting first otherwise no amount of skins will really matter that much. Also a character can be popular without skins. Some license characters are an example of this. To answer your question about competition, they need only introduce a more appealing character for that to happen.
Why are you putting license survivors into this? They are entirely different as their popularity is determined by their own series on their debut. And please dont tell me anything about a character having to be interesting first and foremost when feng is literally carried by cosmetics alone when her lore and personality within her 2 paragraphs of base lore is drier than the Saharan desert. The number of cosmetics definitely helps their playability. And ive asked this question to so many people about how they decide their mains based on what cosmetics and what survivors they avoid due to not having any cosmetics.
And if you wanna put licenses into this guess which licensed survivors are played more. Among them are cheryl, ST survivors, and RE survivor because they continue to get things. While the less popular ones like tapp, quinton and even yoichi are also examples of less played due to less skins. Even Ash is being played more currently because of 2 rift skins. So dont tell me how # of skins doesnt really help with their playability. Cause you are wrong.