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Also, instaflashlight got nerfed, bnp as well (and still considered ultra rare, lol), killers need less time to pick up the survivors making the flashlight save more difficult. And still we get lobby dodgers? LOLGiche said:That's not answering the question directly.
I want your opinion on that hypothetical case : Would it be worth it to play the game if all killers you face were with this particular configuration?
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No, but neither the survivors got the same config.Giche said:That's not answering the question directly.
I want your opinion on that hypothetical case : Would it be worth it to play the game if all killers you face were with this particular configuration?
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Cause IRL inconvenience or pain? A game?Master said:@Vietfox said:
FrenziedRoach said:@Vietfox said:
Giche said:
@Vietfox There is nothing to discuss. This is exploiting a weakness in the game. This is cheesy and toxic, why do you defend this ? Cause "promotes" lobby dodging. Not being able to see each other would be way simpler and faster.
I personally never do it, i set my loadout before looking for a lobby and press ready when i get there, but i understand why some people do it.
Lobby dodging wouldn't be a thing if certain mechanics weren't so blue-ball frustrating to deal with.
Lobby dodging is just a symptom of a much larger issue... one that the devs thankfully seem to be aware of, even if they are slow at finding a solution.
Frustration is a subjective feeling, some people need to tell the difference between something being annoying and broken.
I've been kicked from lobby many times because one of us equipped a SINGLE flashlight, 2 toolboxes... Sorry for using tools provided by the game lol.When an ingame item can cause IRL inconvenience or even pain (in some cases), then its time to dodge the lobby. This is a game and I dont want to suffer just because I picked killer
SWF with flashlight+2 boxes is an auto dodge from me too if I play in highish ranks. (I dont play meta killers though)
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You won't see me dcing because of that stuff, same way when i gotta deal with a nurse with ebony mori. Play the match and move on to the next one.Giche said:I guess you were cool with the machine gun Huntress or her multiple insta-down hatchet right ?
And facing this nearly everygame would not be a problem, right ?
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Frustration is a subjective feeling, some people need to tell the difference between something being annoying and broken.FrenziedRoach said:@Vietfox said:
Giche said:There is nothing to discuss.
This is exploiting a weakness in the game.
This is cheesy and toxic, why do you defend this ?
Cause "promotes" lobby dodging. Not being able to see each other would be way simpler and faster.
I personally never do it, i set my loadout before looking for a lobby and press ready when i get there, but i understand why some people do it.Lobby dodging wouldn't be a thing if certain mechanics weren't so blue-ball frustrating to deal with.
Lobby dodging is just a symptom of a much larger issue... one that the devs thankfully seem to be aware of, even if they are slow at finding a solution.
I've been kicked from lobby many times because one of us equipped a SINGLE flashlight, 2 toolboxes... Sorry for using tools provided by the game lol. -
Cause "promotes" lobby dodging. Not being able to see each other would be way simpler and faster.Giche said:There is nothing to discuss.
This is exploiting a weakness in the game.
This is cheesy and toxic, why do you defend this ?
I personally never do it, i set my loadout before looking for a lobby and press ready when i get there, but i understand why some people do it. -
Cause op created the thread.Giche said:@Vietfox said:
When i play as a killer i set my loadout first, create the lobby and press ready as soon as i get there. Most of the times i don't even reach 00:30.
Also read what @George_Soros said.The fact that the killer can see the survivor's loadout and not otherwise so he can adjust his addons is basicaly the core of the balance and the concept of this game.
As stated multiple time by the devs.
Why are we even discussing this ?
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When i play as a killer i set my loadout first, create the lobby and press ready as soon as i get there. Most of the times i don't even reach 00:30.Giche said:@Vietfox said:
Because it's not a problem
Why i'm not surprised.
Also read what @George_Soros said.
Edit: you can see it on top of the page but i'll say it again: killers shouldn't be able to see who are the survivors and what items they got. Last second switch solved. -
Because it's not a problemBogdanNEK said:This problem is not addressed yet by the devs.
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Nvm
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Despite the tittle op probably enjoyed more playing with friends than reaching rank 1.Tsulan said:@fcc2014 said:
@Vietfox said:
Tsulan said:@Vietfox said:
Tsulan said:
Reaching rank 1 with SWF...
Nice pic! I'll use it every time i get camped for no other reason than secure the kill.
To look at it, so you don´t get downed first again? Good idea!
I like when you guys say "don't get downed first if you don't wanna be camped". Simply magnificent.
Hey, don't complain about SC, just down them before they can use it.Well guess we know @Tsulan strategy as killer. Down one hope the other go in for the save. No Thanks I'd rather still rank and you know earn bloodpoints.
I rarely slug. Unless i go in as Leatherface with full slug build. But i really encounter slugging to be incredible inefficient.
But really impressive, how you come to conclusions on the way i play, because i find it weak, when someone needs SWF to reach rank 1 as survivor. Since reaching that rank is incredible easy. -
Yours as well when it's related to survivors and toxicity.RSB said:@Vietfox said:
RSB said:@Vietfox said:
RSB said:
@Vietfox said: RSB said:
@Vietfox said: RSB said:
@Vietfox said: RSB said:
He was watching a toxic surv dancing in front of him on pallet, and you want him banned because of it? Funny. Cornered survivor doesn't let the killer catch her = toxic survivor
OP never said anything about banning, asked if bots are a thing in DbD. Or stop putting words in my mouth, smartass. Read what I've said.
I did read what you said: @RSB said: "AND YOU WANT HIM BANNED BECAUSE OF IT" Since you can't read with understanding, I will copy it for you. "He was watching a toxic surv dancing in front of him on pallet, " So your "Cornered survivor doesn't let the killer catch her = toxic survivor" is taken from your ass literally.
It's not, why you call the survivor toxic then? Because, quote, "He was watching a toxic surv dancing in front of him on pallet", the survivor was BM'ing him, not trying to "juke as he was cornered". Killer should had broken the pallet in the first place. If survivor leaves the loop before freddy breaks the pallet would had been hit in no time.
So no, survivor wasn't being toxic AT ALL, was doing what a survivor is suposed to do, survive.
The killer wasn't even trying to catch him, he just watched as the surv BM'd him dancing on a pallet, but yeah, "KILLAHZ WANTZ 4K EVRITIM, SURVZ AR TRYIN TO JUST SURVIVE YA KNOW".
Lol nice reply, you really got me with that last sentence.
Btw, survivor wasn't spamming the vault over the pallet anyway. If i was that survivor i would think "killer is gonna do the lag switch", so yeah, i would vault a few times just in case.Your mental gymnastics are marvelous, indeed.
That meg spent more time trying to figure out what was wrong with that freddy than vaulting the pallet. -
Lol nice reply, you really got me with that last sentence.RSB said:@Vietfox said:
RSB said:@Vietfox said:
RSB said:
@Vietfox said: RSB said:
@Vietfox said: RSB said:
He was watching a toxic surv dancing in front of him on pallet, and you want him banned because of it? Funny. Cornered survivor doesn't let the killer catch her = toxic survivor
OP never said anything about banning, asked if bots are a thing in DbD. Or stop putting words in my mouth, smartass. Read what I've said.
I did read what you said: @RSB said: "AND YOU WANT HIM BANNED BECAUSE OF IT" Since you can't read with understanding, I will copy it for you. "He was watching a toxic surv dancing in front of him on pallet, " So your "Cornered survivor doesn't let the killer catch her = toxic survivor" is taken from your ass literally.
It's not, why you call the survivor toxic then?
Because, quote, "He was watching a toxic surv dancing in front of him on pallet", the survivor was BM'ing him, not trying to "juke as he was cornered".
Killer should had broken the pallet in the first place. If survivor leaves the loop before freddy breaks the pallet would had been hit in no time.
So no, survivor wasn't being toxic AT ALL, was doing what a survivor is suposed to do, survive.The killer wasn't even trying to catch him, he just watched as the surv BM'd him dancing on a pallet, but yeah, "KILLAHZ WANTZ 4K EVRITIM, SURVZ AR TRYIN TO JUST SURVIVE YA KNOW".
Btw, survivor wasn't spamming the vault over the pallet anyway. If i was that survivor i would think "killer is gonna do the lag switch", so yeah, i would vault a few times just in case. -
Killer should had broken the pallet in the first place. If survivor leaves the loop before freddy breaks the pallet would had been hit in no time.RSB said:@Vietfox said:
RSB said:@Vietfox said:
RSB said:
@Vietfox said: RSB said:
He was watching a toxic surv dancing in front of him on pallet, and you want him banned because of it? Funny. Cornered survivor doesn't let the killer catch her = toxic survivor
OP never said anything about banning, asked if bots are a thing in DbD. Or stop putting words in my mouth, smartass. Read what I've said.
I did read what you said: @RSB said: "AND YOU WANT HIM BANNED BECAUSE OF IT"
Since you can't read with understanding, I will copy it for you.
"He was watching a toxic surv dancing in front of him on pallet, "
So your "Cornered survivor doesn't let the killer catch her = toxic survivor" is taken from your ass literally.
It's not, why you call the survivor toxic then?
Because, quote, "He was watching a toxic surv dancing in front of him on pallet", the survivor was BM'ing him, not trying to "juke as he was cornered".
So no, survivor wasn't being toxic AT ALL, was doing what a survivor is suposed to do, survive. -
It's not, why you call the survivor toxic then?RSB said:@Vietfox said:
RSB said:@Vietfox said:
RSB said:
He was watching a toxic surv dancing in front of him on pallet, and you want him banned because of it? Funny. Cornered survivor doesn't let the killer catch her = toxic survivor
OP never said anything about banning, asked if bots are a thing in DbD.
Or stop putting words in my mouth, smartass. Read what I've said.
I did read what you said: @RSB said: "AND YOU WANT HIM BANNED BECAUSE OF IT"
Since you can't read with understanding, I will copy it for you.
"He was watching a toxic surv dancing in front of him on pallet, "
So your "Cornered survivor doesn't let the killer catch her = toxic survivor" is taken from your ass literally.
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I did read what you said: @RSB said: "AND YOU WANT HIM BANNED BECAUSE OF IT"RSB said:@Vietfox said:
RSB said:He was watching a toxic surv dancing in front of him on pallet, and you want him banned because of it? Funny.
Cornered survivor doesn't let the killer catch her = toxic survivor
OP never said anything about banning, asked if bots are a thing in DbD.Or stop putting words in my mouth, smartass. Read what I've said.
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Cornered survivor doesn't let the killer catch her = toxic survivorRSB said:He was watching a toxic surv dancing in front of him on pallet, and you want him banned because of it? Funny.
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A trap well placed can turn a 2 minutes chase into a 20 seconds chase, that's why the trapper is my 2nd favourite killer. That time you spend setting traps is a good investment, even if you dont have the speed addon to set traps faster.Kebek said:That's the thing. Those addons are quite mandatory for him to be viable.
Setting traps as trapper takes a lot of his time and whenever traps get disarmed he loses all that. With some chance to slow survivors from doing gens by injuring them would help him quite a bit. -
Lol no.
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That bot is so realistic, even ragequits when losing!
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I know you said you try to avoid "General discussions" and i can see why, but it would be nice if you created a thread about this data. People who still think that 70% of the matches are against top tier 4 swf squad need to know.245_Trioxin said:@Giche said:
@245_Trioxin said:
Prove it. Back your statements up.Prove that it is misinformation. Prove that I am being intellectually dishonest.
Numerous feedback since 2 years, my experiences, the dev's stat stating, one year ago ,that 70% of killer's lobby were filled with SWF teams.
But, wait....
Why should i look for all this game's archive just to make a point to someone who clearly can't see it due to his bias ?
I wonder... what would restrain me from also asking you proof to your counter statement ?
Oh yeah, i don't like toxic arguments.
the dev's stat stating, one year ago ,that 70% of killer's lobby were filled with SWF teams.
I have been waiting for one of you to bring this little factoid up again. I see killer mains constantly try to use this as an argument, but all you need to do is a quick Google search and that argument gets deflated really quick.
That comes from the 5 October 2017 dev stream, in case anyone wants to check it out for themselves.
Let's look at where that 70% came from. The devs released some stats regarding survivor group distribution. Here is what they actually stated were the groups by percentage:
- 4 solo: 30%
- 2 friends + 2 solo: 34.1%
- 2 friends + 2 friends: 9.5%
- 3 friends + 1 solo: 17.9%
- 4 friends: 8.5%
So, the way the "70% myth" came to be is based on adding everything up outside of four solo players.
If we really look at the data, we can see that 64.1% of matches have, at the most, two people communicating.
In fact the only point at which it becomes possibly too much communication across the team would be at 3 friends. Include 4-man teams and that equals out to 26.4%, or between 2-3 matches out of 10.
4-man SWF teams make up less than 1 in 10 matches!
Add to that, the fact that most of those 4-man SWF groups aren't Marth88-level de-pip sweaty squads, and you're probably looking at 1 in every 100 matches or so. Which is why I said it's a very small percentage.
Stop parroting talking points and research the actual data.
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Starting with "lying or ignorant" is not the best way if you wanna avoid toxicity.Giche said:@Vietfox said:
You said a few days ago you come to the foruns to fight toxicity, and now i see you calling ignorant to a person who is sharing his point of view, respectfully and with good arguments.
Sorry to say that but you are the toxic one here."Ignorant" isn't an insult, i start with the principle that i'm talking to adult peoples, as this is a mature rated game.
Also i writed "Lying OR ignorant".
What he said is basically not true, this is basically misinformation, and intellectually dishonest.
I call him for it, you take it as an insult all you want, for what i care.
Precisely because you are talking to adults you should talk like one of them as well. No need to go "aggresive" in your first reply and maybe ask where did he get that information or simply tell your experience. -
As you might have read already: yes, camping is a valid tactic, but a cheap one as well. No one is saying you can't camp.Mycroft said:@245_Trioxin said:
@Giche said:
@245_Trioxin said:But it's fine when a team of sweat lords team up in Cheat With Friends and stack offerings and coordinate. Yeah, sure.
This is an incredibly small percentage of SWF players. You can stop now, your arguments have lost all merit.
Said who ?
Everyone who played killer more than 30 hours know that you're lying, or ignorant.
Or both.
And your wall of text isn't really telling anything, it's like you want the reader to be confused.
InB4 : "Lul that's because youre too stupid to understand it :DDD"
Says actual data. If it was that big of a problem, it would absolutely be on the devs radar, and they would do something about it. If it was actually ruining that may matches and destroying killers across the globe, they would have to fix it.
What of my "wall of text" is confusing? Please elaborate.
By the way, that's not a wall of text. Paragraphs are separated and punctuation is used. It's actually a pretty easy read.
I don't stoop to your level of insults. I encourage debate, and I will listen if you can bring me proper arguments. That's where @Mycroft failed. He didn't bring valid arguments.
Here's a valid argument. A killer has the right to secure a kill in a game where securing a kill is an objective or part of the objective.
Period, point blank. Full stop. Not my concern if the opposition doesn't like it. If they don't like it they play Civ 5.
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You said a few days ago you come to the foruns to fight toxicity, and now i see you calling ignorant to a person who is sharing his point of view, respectfully and with good arguments.Giche said:@245_Trioxin said:
But it's fine when a team of sweat lords team up in Cheat With Friends and stack offerings and coordinate. Yeah, sure.
This is an incredibly small percentage of SWF players. You can stop now, your arguments have lost all merit.
Said who ?
Everyone who played killer more than 30 hours know that you're lying, or ignorant.
Or both.
And your wall of text isn't really telling anything, it's like you want the reader to be confused.
InB4 : "Lul that's because youre too stupid to understand it :DDD"
Sorry to say that but you are the toxic one here. -
If it was a joke, nice one then.Tsulan said:@Vietfox said:
Tsulan said:@Vietfox said:
Tsulan said:
Reaching rank 1 with SWF...
Nice pic! I'll use it every time i get camped for no other reason than secure the kill.
To look at it, so you don´t get downed first again? Good idea!
I like when you guys say "don't get downed first if you don't wanna be camped". Simply magnificent.
Hey, don't complain about SC, just down them before they can use it.Where did i say that?
Jesus christ, i can´t even make a joke without triggering you.
But i've seen that excuse many times and i'm like "lol". -
I like when you guys say "don't get downed first if you don't wanna be camped". Simply magnificent.Tsulan said:@Vietfox said:
Tsulan said:Reaching rank 1 with SWF...
Nice pic! I'll use it every time i get camped for no other reason than secure the kill.
To look at it, so you don´t get downed first again? Good idea!
Hey, don't complain about SC, just down them before they can use it. -
Nice pic! I'll use it every time i get camped for no other reason than secure the kill.Tsulan said:Reaching rank 1 with SWF...
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It's for bragging purposes mainly, though it's more useful as a survivor than as a killer because of the stealth. The better item chance is not that huge.
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Characters and items.
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Bump
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Next perks we need:
1 - become immune to lobby dodging
2 - every time killer hits you while being hooked stuns the killer for 4 seconds
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Do you understand that slugging happens after the survivor is downed?Wolf74 said:@Tizzle said:
@Wolf74 said:
@Tizzle said:
@Global said:
whats wrong with only using unbreakable? Who has a problem with being slugged its your fault you messed up and got downed you dont deserve any more free lifes than what is already in the game. just use unbreakable.This isn't about free lifes or any of that garbage.
Slugging is an unfun mechanic, plain and simple.
Who wants to crawl around on the ground for 4 minutes, but then again I suppose Killers could care less.
Of course it is about free lives and that garbage!
Do you think all the crap survivors are doing is "fun" for the killer?
But that is all "needed to survive", right?
But anything the killer is doing to get his objective is "unfun" and needs to get "fixed", because "fun" is only for survivorSlugging requires no interaction between the Survivor and Killer.
If you aren't having fun playing as Killer, why exactly are you playing?
No interaction between killer and survivor?
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I like them, especially the streetwise one.
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Was that a compliment? AwwwZanfer said:Well @Vietfox is not the majority of the survivors, so you can't compare @Vietfox to the other survivors. Also sloppy and make your choice are direct counters because if it takes them to long to heal they are not doing gens and self-care will take to long so the killer can find them before they finish their self-care if the killer plays it right.
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You say that probably cause you play more as a killer than as a survivor, but i can assure you there are quite a few toxic killers as well. I got death threats twice from different killers just because i survived, and one of them with precise details about how he would kill me.CallMeRusty420 said:This is just one of the reasons why I detest a lot of survivor players. This person here even uses the N word. Only the finest for the survivors.
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Lol ok, but it's more like pink i think.jiminie said:@Vietfox said:
You know red lights were made so people can have some sort of light while still being used to the darkness, right?Huh?What are you talking about?
I mean the rarity, like a ultra rare Flashlight, not the light itself being red
Idk, i'm a man, can't tell more than 8 colours. -
Tunneling is to focus on the same player till dies, not hitting them before they can use SC.Wolf74 said:@Vietfox said:
Wolf74 said:@Zanfer said:
There are many ways of countering self-care:
Nurse's Calling,
Thanatophobia,
Sloppy Butcher,
Coulrophobia,
Dying Light
Perks that indirectly counter self-care:
Monitor and Abuse (on specific killers),
Make Your Choice,
Stridor,
BBQ and Chili,
Devour Hope,
NOED
Non of the above is a "counter" to Self Care.
Nothing is preventing SC from getting used, it only make it take a little longer.
And also one hits aren't counter either, most of them are tied to very specific conditions and have counterplay in themself.
A good counter to SC is to down them before they can use it.
Which is called "tunneling", which is another thing survivor will complain about.
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A good counter to SC is to down them before they can use it.Wolf74 said:@Zanfer said:
There are many ways of countering self-care:
Nurse's Calling,
Thanatophobia,
Sloppy Butcher,
Coulrophobia,
Dying Light
Perks that indirectly counter self-care:
Monitor and Abuse (on specific killers),
Make Your Choice,
Stridor,
BBQ and Chili,
Devour Hope,
NOEDNon of the above is a "counter" to Self Care.
Nothing is preventing SC from getting used, it only make it take a little longer.
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No (just read the tittle)
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No fun because i said so... You bastard xDDDPeanits said:They do. You can also stack it with caulrophobia and dying light for maximum "no fun because I said so". -
That's actually part of the game, totally intendedTopAsh22 said:Its OK but i think it could be better and not block your view of things in the direction of the notification
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The ones i tagged are experts on the topic, dont worry.
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This reminds me of the boots and pants commercial:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bnanI9jXps
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It's fine the way it is.TopAsh22 said:As the titles says, I think that when gens are finished or when someone is hooked the notification is way to much and can block the view of both killers spotting survivors around the gen and block survivor view of the killer who could be coming up but the notification makes it difficult to spot this. Could this be lowered or changed so it doesn't have this downside?
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I'm a survivor main as well, but if i see a change which apparently makes things worse for me my first reaction will be to look for some new counters and stuff. Ofc i can dislike the new changes, but i will also try to figure out some kind of counter.Delfador said:@Vietfox said:
As a survivor? Just keep playing.It is frustrating though, and I say that as a killer sided person although I am a survivor main.
Clown's extra time addon with bleach addon which also slows you down is just powerful adding no difficulty to the killer.
This is why I almost never use addons for my killers except for different builds like scratch mirror myers or waterlogged shoe + scarred hand hag.
Overall I believe that certain killers' base power should be strengthened while addons should be reworked so that they will provide different play styles rather than making powers more powerful.
For example, an addon for clown could be that when he throws a bottle, instead of slowing down the survivor by %15 for 2 seconds, it could make clown walk %15 faster for 2 seconds. This will ensure a better map pressure while survivors will no longer be affected by ms decrease, blurred vision or slow vaults.
Edit for some reason quoted wrong guy sorry
If something is really broken i'll just hope for devs to fix it, if not i can always get drunk and play with friends. -
When i play as a killer i'm a huntress main and i get the average of 2 K in rank 1(sometimes even more) w/o IH.Tzeentchling9 said:Iridescent Heads have already been destroyed by Survivor tears and Pinky Finger requires you to get right on the Survivor's ass and throw a very slow, heavily arced projectile.
Huntress with IH these days only really gets one kill, two at the most. She gets the freebie from the first Survivor and then all the rest get super immersed and rush gens. -
As a survivor? Just keep playing.