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@DarKStaR350z said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3813783#Comment_3813783
Yet you made an assumption about me to try and devalue my own thoughts, bit hypocritical of you.
The reason I say I feel killers have had to develop thick skin is because I’ve been playing since the console launch and things were so much more heavily in survivor favour and killers just stuck it out.
Now things are evening out and survivors quit way more than killers did when the balance was completely skewed against them, in my experience over the years of course. And survivors in my experience still quit back then because they got caught first or lost a mind game and went down.
If quitters are playing the game but quit when things don’t go their way then it screams they only have fun when they are winning and styling on the killer, and screw over their team if they misplay or get outplayed. It happens so early into the game that they don’t even know if the killer is going to tunnel camp or slug which is the usual excuse people give aside from crying killer op.

My initial comment was clearly humor. Hardly hypocritical unless you take everything at face value.

Do you remember when the killer could mori with no hooks? Do you remember when ruin regressed a generator unless you got a great skill check? Do you remember release legion?

Things aren't "evening out" they are swinging heavily to the killers favor. DCs are a sign that the survivor experience is suffering with key pain points, just like it did back then.

in A Theory on The DC Epidemic: Perk Changes & MMR Comment by Valuetown October 6, 2024

@DarKStaR350z said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3813596#Comment_3813596
That’s always the cop out answer to disregard anything you don’t agree with, I play both sides equally and I’m solo when playing survivor so understand the frustrations of teammates quitting and ruining the game for the rest of us; but if you played both sides yourself then you would sympathise with the killer side instead of saying it’s always the killers fault for survivors playing badly then quitting. If they cared about the survivor experience they would stick it out.

I'm iri 1 on both survivor and killer, so I would stop assuming things about people simply because they can recognize killers haven't had to develop "thick skin" when they constantly get their hands held every patch with needless buffs and tweaks that nobody in the community asked for.

I can tell you from experience that killers have way more going for them base kit than survivors will ever have. It takes one mistake by one survivor to snowball a game to a 4k. Killers can make 10 mistakes a minute and still 4k.

in A Theory on The DC Epidemic: Perk Changes & MMR Comment by Valuetown October 6, 2024

@DarKStaR350z said:
I don’t know why survivors give up so easily; playing killer can be just as annoying and if I had a way to leave without getting a DC penalty I might use it when I get put up against a team with offerings that spread hook placement, Boil Over, sabotage and flashlights/bangs, Dead Dog or Errie as I know it’s not going to be a fun match.
I guess killers have had to develop thicker skin over the years and are just used to suffering. And talking about hit boxes what about that Head On hit box and how long it lasts, how about getting pallet stunned when you’re no where near it.
It’s always the same arguments, killer OP as they have a power where I can’t run pallet to pallet and make them break every one, or map traversal so I can’t just sit on a gen and knock it out faster than the killer can walk across the map to it.
It’s unfair killers can use aura reading it’s only fair when survivors use it etc etc.
Fact is even when survivor was at its strongest there were still rampant DCs before the penalty and it was even encouraged by some ex fog whisperers. Survivors have always quit over the slightest thing because they only seem to be happy when making YouTube bully compilations and easily winning while rubbing the killers nose in it.
If a killer only moved the same speed as survivor you’d get DCs if they ever got a down probably.

Tell me you're a killer main without telling me you're a killer main

in A Theory on The DC Epidemic: Perk Changes & MMR Comment by Valuetown October 6, 2024

@alpha5 said:
Bad takes with naive, out of context numbers shuffling to fill a 10min video for the algorithm. His previous video on the Overbrine + Eruption meta has equally bad conclusions. That guy can't be serious with these videos. Then again he nodded at the bot after a DC.

There are many channels out there where killer mains masquerade as unbiased arbiters of balance for the game. It cracks me up every time, but it's equally as scary that people take videos like this at face value, don't apply any critical thinking on their end, and just simply believe all the claims made in them just because a content creator said them.

in A Dive into Gen Regression Comment by Valuetown October 3, 2024

@Xernoton said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3811518#Comment_3811518
I specifically mentioned that if the base regression was nerfed it would need to come with compensatory nerfs on instant regression. So I'm not sure where that would lead to powercreep.
And can we stop with this "Killers cry as soon as they don't 4k every match!" nonsensense? Sure, you have a bunch of entitled players on both sides but this is not about that. It's about a base value that is simply too low to be of much use and perks that are bad because they affect this number. I even said, that I'm not really sold on the idea to buff base regression, so posting this as a response to me is misplaced at best.
Ruin isn't what does the work on these killers you mentioned. There are a bunch of other perks they could use that would provide them with more value and it's not all meta perks. The effect of Ruin is good in theory but falls short in practice. Passive regression sounds great but when you think about how much time Ruin actually provides, you quickly come to the conclusion that you could use douzens of other perks and get more value. Especially without the instant 5% regression on kicks and the risk of it being eliminated right at the start of the match, which is not very rare.
Side objectives would in theory be the best way to get around the whole slowdown problem but on one hand we know that the devs are not very fond of that idea and on the other hand this would always come as nerf to solo queue players too. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "more ways to win and lose". That will never happen simply because the game is designed around the idea of killers trying to kill survivors and survivors trying to escape. There is no room for an alternative win condition here, is there?
I'm not quite sure what this has to do with chase times either. Especially when we consider that it's instant regression perks like Pop, Pain Res, Surge and Eruption that benefit from short chases because you can use them more frequently, while CoB, Overcharge and Ruin only work over time and have no clause that they activate / deactivate with chases / hooks / downs. Obviously these perks will be better, if the killer can keep their chases short because then the killer already puts so much pressure on the survivors, that they have trouble dealing with that alone and cannot really take care of the killer's perks but that is true for about 95% of all perks in this game.
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3811526#Comment_3811526
Regression will always be meta. The question is what regression perks will be used. Right now it's a small selection that also synergise pretty well, which might get a bit better, if we mix it up a little.
I also didn't say anything about a net buff. Please read the third to last section of my post again.
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3811535#Comment_3811535
I agree that some of these numbers are just completely arbitrary but it is true that the base regression speed is very low. The direct comparison between instant regression and base regression is what made this video interesting enough for me to start a discussion around it.

Transferring power from instant regression to regression over time base kit will not do what you're hoping. Remember when leatherface, in hopes to get leatherfaces to use more addons, had beast marks and award winning chili given to him base kit but at a lower percentage of the addon's power? Guess what happened? Leatherfaces still only run beast marks and award winning chili. Why? Because the net value of the power INCREASED. Having base regression increased and instant regression slightly nerfed will still net an increase in regression. Killers will continue to run regression. Remember when everyone thought Pop was no longer meta when it got nerfed from 30% current to 20% current? It's still used in almost 75% of matches that I play. So yes, it is considered power creep when the overall power of base mechanics + perks & addons increases after said changes are applied.

Most killers do complain if they don't 4k every match. If they didn't, slugging for the 4k wouldn't happen as frequently as it does. Running grim embrace wouldn't happen as frequently as it does. Running quad slowdown wouldn't happen as frequently as it does. If you need 4 slowdown to achieve a 2k or a 3k, you're either running a D tier killer or need to work on your chase game.

There is absolutely room for more win conditions. This is the Entity's realm. The Entity is here to bathe in the suffering and fear of the survivors and the never-ending rage of the killers. This is a game to it. The only reason it says "Entity Displeased" and the end of the match screen is because nothing happened in the game. It WANTS to have an entertaining match to watch. It WANTS to see a hard fought battle that could go either way. What would be the point of watching a sports match if you knew the outcome of every game? I've said before, each killer should have a unique power up mechanic the killer interacts with and a unique power down mechanic the survivors interact with. The killer powering up to full would make it almost impossible for them to lose, and powering them down fully will render them weak for a time. Each map should have interactable elements that could help either side. I'm not going to turn this post into a brainstorm, but there are absolutely ways to incorporate this according to the game's own lore. Ultimately, it's up to the devs to prioritize it and put in the development time to do so. Also, I'm not sure how this would nerf solo Q players.

Chase times relate to instant regression. If chase times are longer, it takes longer to earn the instant regression from pop, pain res, slowdown from grim embrace, etc. If chase times are shorter, those instant regressions are earned much quicker, essentially nullifying fully a survivor's effort on generators. For example, if one survivor is hooked on a pain res hook, the gen with the most progress is regressed 20%. If another survivor goes down and hooked within 18 seconds of that first hook, plus the 3 second penalty for a regression event while the survivor is on the generator, making it actually 21 seconds, there will at most 0 net progress, at worse, another 20% taken off that gen.

in A Dive into Gen Regression Comment by Valuetown October 3, 2024

@Xernoton said:
https://youtu.be/g1lsSyVLBpg?si=pKR8INweNZeyW476
I got recommended this video on YouTube and although none of the information in that video was new to me, it does put things into perspective when you do such a side by side comparison between instant regression and regression over time.
A lot of these numbers are arbitrarily high because in a normal match your goal won't be trying to regress a gen fully but only to buy yourself time. So you don't really care that it takes 342 seconds to regress 90 charges or 327 seconds with CoB. You'll only care that CoB buys you 3.75 seconds if you can keep it active for the entire duration, which is basically nothing. This is the actual value of CoB as is. It's a much better info perk than it is a gen regression perk. You could take away the extra regression and it would barely count as a nerf.
Overcharge was butchered as well and I'd argue that against decent survivors, Overcharge is actually worse than nothing. You mostly won't get to keep a gen regressing for 20, which is what Overcharge needs in order for it to be as effective as no perk at all since the "difficult" skill check does pretty much nothing.
That is also the reason why I think Ruin isn't worth a perk slot. Yes, technically it does save you the time to kick a gen but on the other hand it takes 4.5c / 0.25c/s = 18 seconds to make up for that lost instant regression. Even if we factor in the time it takes to catch up to a survivor after you kick a gen, that doesn't make it much better. You won't need 18 seconds to close that gap, especially not on stronger killers. The most value you'll get out of it is, if a survivor goes looking for the totem and destroys it. But then you lose that perk for the remainder of the match.
A way for all 3 of these perks to become stronger is to increase the base regression speed. This would overall be a net buff to killers that is arguably not necessary, so it would need to come with nerfs to the better regression perks like Pain Res, Surge etc. This might sound good on paper but it does bear another issue.
Solo queue survivors cannot coordinate for someone else to take over their gen and stop it from regressing while SWFs can and do. That is less than ideal. For that reason and also the fact that different killers are better at keeping survivors away from gens than others I think, we should move away from regression over time and focus on instant regression.
What are your thoughts on this matter? Do you think base regression should be changed?

Don't buy into the fantasy that power creep will solve the issue. Buffing gen regression is kicking the can down the road yet again until inevitably you are met with the same question. The cyclical: buff it → survivor experience suffers → nerf it → killers are not 4k-ing every match → killers complain → buff it → on and on and on.

A killer should not be able to substantially override the survivor's effort into completing their objective simply by spending 2 seconds kicking a generator and nothing else. This is why you are selling ruin short. Ruin is a fantastic perk on the killers that can apply pressure to multiple parts of the map quickly. Just because ruin isn't 200% like it used to be back when it was busted doesn't mean it's something to scoff at now. A good plague, blight, billy, dredge, etc. can use ruin to it's fullest potential and dominate games with it. Also, Pop and Pain Res are wonderful perks in theory, but the execution is what makes the survivor experience horrible. On killers that have no chase power, they are great rewards, but for killers that can snowball very easily, they are used to further secure their chances of winning in the pregame lobby before the match even starts.

This is why I've said, and will continue to say, that this game needs a fundamental overhaul in base game mechanics. The only way you will get away from this horrible power creep between gen regression, gen times, etc. is by giving survivors and killers more ways to win and lose. That is the only long term solution that actually addresses the core problem at hand.

But, if we must stay limited with only gens and the subsequent gen regression topic: if gen regression does get buffed and chase times stay as short as they are on average, enjoy seeing commodious toolboxes with brand new parts every game, because survivors will have to adapt if that comes to pass.

in A Dive into Gen Regression Comment by Valuetown October 2, 2024

@A_T_E said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3809902#Comment_3809902
You speak about being disingenuous, yet you sit there and attempt to convince me, that "and does not align with the values the community of this game shares" isn't speaking for the community. I see you're simply projecting.
And you're just lying outright, when you say you aren't putting words in his mouth, when you're saying:
Categorizing these people as "baggage"
Despite none of those words were used by @Ohyakno.
You're literally making up things, acting indignant about the meaning you ascribe to it, then pretend like you didn't do that.

I'm sorry you incorrectly interpreted my message in this way. For one, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. If I say the sky is blue, I'm not "speaking for the sky," I'm just stating my observation based on what the sky is. I would also look up the word projection before you keep using it incorrectly.

So if the person I was responding to said "food you eat in the morning, usually after you wake up," would it be fair to say they're talking about breakfast? Am I putting words in his mouth if I say they're talking about breakfast? Saying people will "find other things to be put off by" is constituting those players as problems because of their perceived baggage. If they didn't perceive these players as having baggage, what would be the problem with adding these options for them?

You're literally making up things, acting indignant about the meaning you ascribe to it, then pretend like you didn't do that.

in Option to Disable Mori Animations Comment by Valuetown October 1, 2024

@Altan said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3809905#Comment_3809905
But why do we need that in DbD

Did you even read the thread?

in Option to Disable Mori Animations Comment by Valuetown September 30, 2024

@Altan said:
Mori need an animation, would be broken if you just kill and go
Also it's a literal game about hitting, hooking and killing people? How is mori too violent

I never said remove an animation altogether to make it a 0 second mori. Have the killer's face cover the screen or something for the same duration, or have the screen fade to black and say "You Died."

Getting hit and flopping on the ground is no where comparable to blight's mori, oni's mori, plague's mori, Dracula's mori, etc.

in Option to Disable Mori Animations Comment by Valuetown September 30, 2024

@A_T_E said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3809854#Comment_3809854
Categorizing these people as "baggage" because they'll "find something else to be put off in short order" is completely disingenuous, a slippery slope fallacy, completely unwelcoming, and does not align with the values the community of this game shares
I disagree. Also, don't start speaking for the entire community.
Just because you disagree with him, doesn't mean you should start putting words into his mouth. He never mentioned them being "baggage", his assertion that easily offended individuals would find something else to be easily offended by isn't unreasonable, at all.

Not sure what part of my comment made you think I was "speaking for the community." I can recognize what the community values are without saying "everyone in the community feels this way." You're free to disagree, but I'm also not putting words into his mouth lol

in Option to Disable Mori Animations Comment by Valuetown September 30, 2024

@dwight444 said:
I was inclined to agree if it was an accessibility issue but so far op it just seems like they are more put off from a BM pov rather than the 'gore' (gore would be a stretch for some of the moris, especially Dracula's). You're comparing lethal company and saying there was an outcry from people, well, I don't know that I've ever seen an outcry for the gore in this game? This is probably the first post I've ever read tackling the issue.
maybe if someone had a mori where they started spamming strobing lights or something, sure, but this just doesn't seem like a legitimate issue, let alone one that is causing rounds from its player base to warrant designing an option to disable. Seems more like nitpicking if your friends really refuse to play this game because of the moris; based on your responses they seem more annoyed than anything.
all for accessibility, not all for dedicating resources to problems that don't exist when we have tons of problems in this game already

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't happening. I have seen plenty of people that say they will disconnect against plagues because of her power and mori.

in Option to Disable Mori Animations Comment by Valuetown September 30, 2024

@Ohyakno said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3809790#Comment_3809790
You're playing against twenty Draculas with twenty Moris? That's some interesting matchmaking. If your friends are so put off by a ten second animation I can only assume they'll find something else to be put off in short order.

Do you like the Wizard of Oz because that's the best straw man impression I've seen in my life. I'm sorry not everyone has the same desire to see superfluous blood and gore but still would like to play the game all the same. Categorizing these people as "baggage" because they'll "find something else to be put off in short order" is completely disingenuous, a slippery slope fallacy, completely unwelcoming, and does not align with the values the community of this game shares.

in Option to Disable Mori Animations Comment by Valuetown September 30, 2024

@Spare_Them_Mori_Me said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3809793#Comment_3809793
Nothing odd about it. Accessibility is always welcome. Dbd has quite a bit in it! But to play a horror game and want to cut out the horror? As a developer, I'd be a little confused. As a player, I feel its silly to complain about blood in a game promoted, sold, and defined as a horror game.
But to be open, Im not against this. I just feel its silly with all the things wrong with this game to put resources to.

No worries, I did not interpret your message as disrespectful at all. I know this game's initial pull was the horror aspect, but it has long since moved past that in my opinion. Like I said, this game is more equivalent to a game of chess, where the killer is one queen and the survivors are 4 knights. Especially with how fast paced the games have become, and with almost the full removal of stealth as a viable strategy, it's gone from horror to pvp co-op action.

Also, horror does not automatically mean blood and gore. Some of the best horror movies have little to no blood and gore in them, and it's the suspense and what ifs that propel the feeling of horror throughout the movie. Like I said before, I would probably keep all the settings enabled, but for those who appreciate the strategy aspect of this game but not necessarily all the over the top gore, this would be a great option. Some people are just naturally more queasy with gore than others, which is perfectly fine, and I think there should be settings to tone that part of the game down.

In reality, the true horror of this game is seeing 4 slowdown on killer.

in Option to Disable Mori Animations Comment by Valuetown September 30, 2024

@Spare_Them_Mori_Me said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3809790#Comment_3809790
It also means this game isn't for everyone. Roblox dbd exists.

Odd thing to say when talking about accessibility settings that would not affect you if you unless you opted in to them.

in Option to Disable Mori Animations Comment by Valuetown September 30, 2024

@Spare_Them_Mori_Me said:
This game is rated appropriately and is very clear 'what' it is. The last thing we need is dumbing it down. If anything, it should be cranked up.
There's plenty of games that will suit someone who dislikes the horror type activities present in this horror type game.

This game being classified as "horror" is like calling call of duty zombies "horror." It's only scary for the first 10 games, then it becomes a strategy game from there on out. There are other games created nowadays that are "rated appropriately" that also have accessibility options to tone down blood and gore. Besides, if it's a setting, what does it really matter? I personally wouldn't turn them off, but I have friends that would love to play more of this game if they didn't have to see Dracula slitting their throats for the 20th time in a day, or singularity melting their face off. Just because it's "rated appropriately" doesn't mean that everyone in the target audience is desensitized to blood and gore (and plague vomit).

in Option to Disable Mori Animations Comment by Valuetown September 30, 2024

@Prometheus1092 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/428510/scratched-mirror-and-tombstone
Most Myers use infinite T3 with tombstone which takes forever to build up so if your getting tombstoned at 5 gens left then the survivors are definitely doing something wrong. Each to their own regarding fun but there are many people that enjoy playing and going against tombstone Myers because it gives him a threatening edge that no other killer has. Pretty much all other killers are seen as play things for survivors to loop and do the whole "come get me" thing. Myers is the only one that instills true dread and makes a survivor run for their life which is what the killer role should be imo.

"True dread" is a crazy way of saying unfun gameplay loop. Nothing more fun than not knowing if you're going to get removed from the match or not, having to sit through another queue, lobby, and load screen right? (sarcasm)

It's a game. Both sides should be fun. Focusing on "the survivor should be running screaming because of me the big bad killer" is more proof that killers view survivors as fodder for their own enjoyment, which is fine for pve games, but not pvp like dbd.

in Scratched mirror and tombstone Comment by Valuetown September 29, 2024

@DarKStaR350z said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3808280#Comment_3808280
Yes they’ve shrunk some maps but most are still so big it can take 30 seconds or so to walk from one gen to another the opposite side of the map; and if you hit a survivor by it then they can just hold W and make it to the opposite side of the map, making it impossible to defend some gens on some maps unless the killer has a map traversal ability or some power to quickly down someone without having to m1 them.

30 seconds from one corner to the opposite corner of a map is extremely small, and almost every map has that time or shorter to do this. Holding W does not allow you to go from one side of the map to the other. Survivors get at MOST 3 tiles of distance before they're forced to play a tile since the middle of almost every map is either a dead zone or filler pallets, not to mention the other tiles that have already been used by the survivors.

Also knowing when to take a health state and apply pressure to gens is a game sense skill as killer. If you're choosing to chase a survivor to the opposite edge of the map when the last 3 gens are on the initial side of the map, that's a poor play. Taking a health state is massive pressure for the killer since, by that time, the survivor medkits are most likely depleted, and it would require another survivor to come heal them. Also, by that time, one if not two survivors have already been sacrificed. That means at most 1 person is doing a gen that will take them 90 seconds to complete fully. There's multiple layers of nuance for these situations, but saying "just hold W" as a scapegoat is disingenuous to the state of its effectiveness, as it does not provide as much value as killers would like you to think, especially if the killer player knows what they are doing.

in Gen Slowdown - An Abysmal State of Meta Perks Comment by Valuetown September 27, 2024

@danielmaster87 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3806190#Comment_3806190
He did. You're claiming that killers win all the time with 3 gens remaining, when I'm lucky if I win with 1 gen remaining. How are you gonna get constant gen regression from your perks unless the survivors are constantly giving you downs? The 60% kill rate is arbitrary, because kill rate in general is. It tells you nothing about the match. Your listing of perks used makes more sense than it. But why are killers still using gen defence when it's been nerfed into being garbage? Because the games are still too fast for killer to get their hooks.
Contrary to the usual use of gen defence, this is the most experimental killer meta we've ever seen. As in, killers are using a wide variety of perks, which the devs want, but the killers are doing that because everything sucks. They're desperately trying to find out what's good. Some killers are die-hard gen defence users and will never change, others like me have switched to chase/endgame builds, but even me sticking to those builds for the past like 2 years, I'm trying out gen defence again. So the current state of the game is survivor meta being the same as it was in 2017, the killer meta being in flux, and SWF still being untouched on their pedestal.

First off, no he did not. If he did, he would have seen that the nature of my post wasn't "nerf gen regression only period" but rather providing alternatives to the base game loop that would provide depth to both survivor and killer to make gens not the only priority. Saying "play high MMR with no slowdown and tell me how it goes" is proof he did not read the whole post.

Secondly, 60% kill rate tells you at least 7 hook states are being taken in a match out of 12. You're right that it's arbitrary, and I think it's fair to ask why such an arbitrary number was selected.

Thirdly, saying it's the most experimental meta we've seen proves my point. You don't need 4 slowdown to win. You can run whatever you want on most killers because the devs have shrunk maps to fractions of their original sizes, they have killed almost every tile in this game and replaced them with garbage filler tiles that offer no safety, and the base killer mechanics provide so much pressure, you are almost guaranteed at least a 2k every match. Putting on 4 slowdown makes it almost impossible for the survivors to win, which was one of the points of my post.

Lastly, gens fly if you cannot secure a good chase in the first 70 seconds of the match. There are certain killers where that is understandable, like Myers. On killers like blight? That is a skill issue. There are blights that end games in 70 seconds with full aura builds. A single gen takes 90 seconds. Gens are flying just as often as pigs do. So what a killer loses one gen to a brand new part + commodious toolbox at the beginning of the match? Does that really matter when the pop + pain res + grim embrace combo grinds the game to a halt? If you can't start the killer snowball to force survivors off gens, that's a skill issue problem.

in Gen Slowdown - An Abysmal State of Meta Perks Comment by Valuetown September 26, 2024

@[Deleted User] said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3806270#Comment_3806270
If you sweat up to high MMR with a meta build and then remove the meta build, of course you're going to have a bad time. If you just use whatever perks you want, you won't be boosted, and you won't have any problems with gens flying without bringing slowdown.
I rarely run slowdown while playing killer and rarely use exhaustion or second-chance perks while playing survivor, yet I do just fine on both sides, presumably because my MMR is not inflated by always running a meta build.

This is the point that is extremely frustrating. A full gen slowdown build for most killers is training wheels. Unless you're running Myers or Freddy, one if not two slowdown perks are more than enough. Put a full slowdown build on a killer that knows how to play well without them? That's where you get high killer win streaks. That's where you get 1900 blight win streaks. That's where you get the abysmal state of solo Q, but who cares as long as the killer players are having fun and getting at least 3 kills at the expense of the survivor experience right? (Sarcasm)

in Gen Slowdown - An Abysmal State of Meta Perks Comment by Valuetown September 24, 2024

@Devil_hit11 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3806380#Comment_3806380
like non-sense. killer winning at 3 gen remaining is survivor playing poorly. if you watch some higher level games, for example, take this tru3 game of nemesis. He wins with 1 gen remaining where 1 of gens is 70% but he dominates all the chases except Nancy's first chase which at shack… which… again is a survivor sided loop with little no to counter-play as time-sink. you can win loops but it wastes lot of time if survivor plays correctly in which she did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ_U-D6fuQw
Can you guess why he won this game? It is how little friend, the gen defence perk. that is why player use gen defence perks because those perk are what give impact to change outcome of a match from losing to winning. Until bvhr makes other perks NOT named gen defence perks go from losing to winning. there is no reason for player to choose anything else. It is like if you told survivor to use Better than new over running idk, Deja vu. The player is not going to pick perks that are not useful and most killer perk that are not gen defence are better than new levels of irrelevancy. stop being surprised when all popular perk choices for killer are exactly the same type.

I don't think anyone is surprised by that. Despite Hens not using it once, I see pop almost every match for this very reason. My question is more along the lines of why does the game have to remain this way, and is there anything we'd rather have instead.