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@MegsAreEvil said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/739104#Comment_739104
You cant outplay Spirit cause its just a guessing game. If you guessed right, you didnt outplay her, you were just lucky, that she wasnt that much of a deal, cause highrank spirit wont lose a chase, cause they have information about the survivor, but not the other way round. this guessing game from survivor perspective has absolutely nothing to do with skill or knowledge.
You remember that Spirit can't see scratch marks while phasing? I feel alot of people forget that.
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@humanbeing1704 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/739387#Comment_739387
ye I just don't see how haste with insta down seems fair
I could get into it with Survivor perks and all, but I don't want this talk to go that way. So, i'll just say that my opinion does not match yours.
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@MegsAreEvil said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/739218#Comment_739218
^The power isnt meant to be a threat. Dont troll on obvious reasons.
I wasn't trolling? I'm being honest. I am playing a KILLER. Why shouldn't my power given to me by a spider Goddess be a threat?
Are you saying that it should be like "Kung Pow: Enter The Fist" where they taught that one guy wrong as a joke.
Don't accuse me of trolling when I am trying to make a point. I don't troll and try not to be insulting as this forum should be used for constructive feedback and not insults.
On top of that Mending doesn't waste time as it is right now.
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I'm curious how the Survivor one would look like.
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@humanbeing1704 said:
I'd be 100% fine with noed if it didn't have haste
So they can't catch up to you?
Honestly, I don't like NOED cause it teaches new people to play wrong. It becomes necessary to them cause they don't learn to play better.
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@Blueberry said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/739285#Comment_739285
There's just a lot of people on here that only play one side so their perspective can be very clouded.
I don't like to bring up rank because it triggers a lot of people but it is a big factor when we talk about balance. If someone only plays killer up to say rank 10, then they're going to think killers are crazy strong because they 4k a lot. The issues aren't as apparant at low ranks because the players are bad enough that a lot of mistakes are being made and you can play whatever and still do well.
When you start getting into the red ranks is where the mistakes become much less common and the issues of being reliant on mistakes for certain killers starts to become an issue.
It's extremely rare on here to find anyone that actually plays both sides at rank 1 and still believes killers are anywhere even close to the power role in this game. You only see these opinions come from the people that don't play both sides at high rank because they haven't experienced the issues we talk about yet. Then they watch some youtube videos and think they understand the games balance.
Yeah, I have come to that conclusion too after seeing how many people start there topic with YT videos. At high ranks, if you play anything then the top 4 Killers, you are setting up an uphill battle for yourself. No "ifs" "ands" or "buts". Go play Clown at Rank 2. Go play Wraith or Legion or Doc... or you know, anything but Nurse, Billy, Spirit, or maybe Freddy at a high rank....
People complain they ever see anything but those Killers at high ranks. Then people turn around and complain that they should be nerfed. Do you want no Killer to be good at Red Ranks?
I'll admit, I only play Killer. I honestly hate playing Survivor cause it's boring to me. But Killer seem to be stress filled messes. It's honestly painful to try and shift between the two utterly different feelings of each side.
Survivor is boring cause there is no threat really. Killer is stressful because you have to fight to MAKE a threat.
Shouldn't that be enough of a glaring, neon sign of "SOMETHING IS WRONG!" ?
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I mean, if you don't see an issue with perks, go look at the Wiki.
Here is my thoughts on the matter:
NOED can be removed. The other ones can't.
Balanced Landing on every survivor makes it really frustrating for Killer. Even if they don't get the Sprint, the no stun can easily gain you distance. It really does alot for the slot.
DS.... 60 seconds is too long. That's all.
Adren is annoying for sure but it's not the worst thing... unless every Survivor has it.
Dead Hard really feels like a "Oh I messed up, let me press this button to get distance and avoid that." button. That can be annoying when I should have got the guy.
Object of Obsession is really really annoying on Killer side. If I am playing a Trapping Killer or Stealth Killer (why Ghost Face still doesn't have undetectable is beyond me) I will leave match.
Self Care gets me alot of hits as Killer, so I don't mind it. Nurse's is a good counter to it, so I see no issue with it.
But yea, just go to the wiki and draw your own thoughts. Quit being rude to each other as well. This forum is supposed to be for feedback and civil disputes. Not being rude.
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.... opps I did not mean to do that, but whatever now XD
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@GodNap said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/739315#Comment_739315
And maybe a little scary like an horror game should be. I love this idea, i hope that the devs are reading all this.
I mean, you could @Peanits and they would look.
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It's an idea i've had for a bit. I would love to see it combined with the other idea like that other person mentioned. Doc as it is doesn't really use "Madness." as it's understood. You just see him pop and stare... or maybe a fake pallet... or maybe a light on you. None of it is really all that interesting or even useful for the Doctor (other than the light showing you that Blendette in the corner) so changing it to things that would make the Survivor REALLY PANIC and not just "Oh... guess that's a thing." would be much more fitting to his theme.
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Ahh.... this got so many more views and such than any of the insightful and interesting Power or Killer ideas. Never change guys.... but really change.
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@NullSp3c said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/739290#Comment_739290
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/739168#Comment_739168
These 2 ideas combined would make the survivor feel like his character is in real madness, as it's supposed to.
Oh yeah! That's a perfect combo! I want that now so much!
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@Mookywolf said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/739290#Comment_739290
that would also be awesome... Doctor should be that ultimate "is that real or fake" killer. certain add ons allowing for different illusions.
Exactly! I love the idea of that, cause isn't the point of madness to mix reality and dream till you can't tell the difference?
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@GrootDude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/739201#Comment_739201
I main LF, was just playing legion for a ritual.
Oh no Groot, I know you are a LF main. I'm just saying I've seen it alot.
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Can I just add that i'd love for the Doctor's Illusions to lunge at a Survivor or something. Like scare them so that it makes them panic more "OH ######### IS THAT HIM OR THE ILLUSION?!"
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@Blueberry said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/739138#Comment_739138
Yeah they honestly shouldn't even be touching the higher killers right now. While they may warrant a couple tweaks, buffing the weaker killers to get them up to par should be such a higher priority at the moment.
Thank you for agreeing with me. It seems very obvious to me, and when I see people claim DBD is in a "Killer Meta" right now my brain just explodes from the sheer ######### that statement creates.
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@BirdmanOwO said:
@DudeDelicious Yeah, but at the same time you're wasting your time trying to inflict Deep Wounds on another survivor. Generally, by the time you can run to another Survivor, the first one is done mending and is now getting back on gens. You prolonged the match slightly, but in the end you barely did anything to help you "win". Not only that, but if the Survivors Don't heal, now you're just a M1 killer who made the match go slightly longer.
TL;DR Legion prolongs matches, but doesn't really have a way to effectively use the extra time he gives himself. His power also becomes useless since most survivors won't heal against him.
Exactly this.
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@Mochan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/738545#Comment_738545
They are still wasting their time mending instead of doing gens. Missions accomplished.
Survivors who will mend the moment you turn your back are the same people who go back to the gen once you chase someone else.
You really need to think about how much time it's even "wasting". it's not enough at all, and if you think it is then you need to look up more about the game.
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@Volfawott said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/738438#Comment_738438
They don't, the timer pauses when mending and in the terror radius
And because nine times out of ten Legion immediately try to find someone else I've had situations when I'm playing the Legion that survivors have literally just started mending right after I hit them and turn my back.
That's when I press m2, turn and slap them for it. But yeah, if I don't hear it, I still assume they will do that. There is no reason not too.
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@MegsAreEvil said:
Mending isnt supposed to be a thread, its just to give killers more time, cause survivors waste their time mending in safe places.
Excuse me. Killers themselves are supposed to be a threat. Most arnt. Please let them be.
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@Volfawott said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/738173#Comment_738173
Yeah you're pretty right due to the way the time pauses if you're in the terror radius or in the process of mending there's not much pressure to actually start mending
Hello see people actually just doing stuff like generators if they're in a terror radius or typically doing stuff until the last possible second and then mending
This is what i see too. As A Legion main, my power does nothing other than annoy the survivors. I love the running around and stabbing... and that's really all it is.
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@GrootDude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/738884#Comment_738884
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/811/GNT5NBZKH1VR.jpeg
This is new legion (took this a week ago), me existing irked them.
I main Legion too.... I get ALOT of DCs.... and it hurts my brain. Legion isnt even good and is crippled by the nerfs ("rework") they got.
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*cries in Legion main*
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You did that to them man. You knew the match making is like that now. You dragged them in, and were likely hoping to stomp lower rank Killers. Otherwise you could have shown them KYF.
(That's if this is real and not just an attempt to make the devs think the new matchmaking is making people leave. That way they change it back and you can go back to bullying low rank Killers. Your aggression and such is why I think that, more than anything. Calm down next time first to give yourself a better first impression)
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@Blueberry said:
She's one of the few killers like Nurse who doesn't rely on survivor mistakes to win. This is viewed on not fun from a survivor perspective. Ironically that's the viewpoint you have when playing the other 90% of killers that do rely on survivor mistakes.
The difference is even though Spirit doesn't rely on mistakes that doesn't mean you can't outplay her, it just requires a lot more skill and game knowledge. The average player finds it easier to come to the forums and complain than to try and learn and adapt. Unlike playing the other 90% of killers where it doesn't matter how good you are, if the survivors don't mess up you still aren't winning.
Which... in a 1 vs. 4 game that's kinda silly. It really feels like the team has all the power, not the lone wolf, most of the time. It's weird you only hear about the Killers that are a challenge on here (normally, I've seen Nerf Legion and Nerf Wraith threads here...)
90% of the Killers are doomed if a team is firing on all cylinders. Even if they arn't, it takes alot of mistakes for Killers to get ahead alot of the times. Some of the Top Killers need TWEAKS, not nerfs. Alot of the other Killers need buffs.
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This is inherently a bad idea. Also grabs already don't work 90% of the time.
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@BunnyTheHutt said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/739009#Comment_739009
They don't. Killers really don't get buffs.
1: It took almost 2 years for Freddy too get a rework.
2: Legion got massive nerfs and hasn't been touched since despite the communty begging for it.
3: Bubba is pretty much useless unless you're basement camping.
4: Trapper is still not that good a killer and he's one of the three original
6: Wraith is too easy too spot even without Object unless on a small map, even if he does sneak up on someone he only can get 1 hit in before he has too enter Pallet Town.
7: Pig is just an M1 killer with traps that sometimes slow the game, but usually will get pulled off in the first or second box.
8: Doc's shock has a really bad delay that make's it's one good niche null.
8: Clown can't put pressure down too save his life.
All these killers need buffs, and they have needed them for a while, but still the devs refuse too touch them because they don't want to make the low ranks mad. It's not lies, it's facts. Killer's do not get buffs even when they need them.
Thank you. I agree with all of this.
ALSO: Everyone, this isnt really him saying "I MISS OLD BROKEN LEGION." He's saying "I wish Legion was worth using."
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@Noobsaibot5768 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/737644#Comment_737644
Welcome to the club.
*Sad oink*
*hugs*
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Hot take, and this is MY OPINION! So don't freak out.
I honestly feel like there is alot of whining on both sides in the community. Most topics boil down to Killer Vs. Survivor. Which is silly, cause we should be trying to give good and constructive feedback to better a game we all enjoy. Now, that being said...
I do feel like I see many more calls for nerfs from Survivors. From Moris to NOED to Spirit to Nurse.... and even Wraith and Clown of all people. I do feel like alot of this is just "I had a bad game so imma whine about it instead of learning to play the game." or "I've DC'ed every time i've seen this Killer. I'm not learning and refuse too." It REALLY feels like that alot of survivors just want to finish gens and not interact with the Killer at all. I've had plenty of games where gens are done as fast as they could be and they just straight leave. I tend to think of these people as the more competitive minded that just want to "Win" and move on. But honestly that's really boring for the Killer. (Not to mention that alot of them get too competitive and BM in post game). Then I come here and see calls for nerfs to Killers and I can't help but think that they just want EZ escapes... then tell any Killer that tries to debate them that they "Want easy 4ks". When all but 4 of the Killers are not good at high tiers, and the top 4 are shouted about to be nerfed every single day... I really can't help but feel like alot of Survivors don't want anything challenging to go up against.
I don't want easy 4ks. I never have in all my time as Killer. I want back and forth games that are fun and engaging on both sides. I don't like it when I stomp them and I don't like getting stomped. It honestly feels like most (NOT ALL) survivors want all the Killers to be nerfed to the level of Legion (cause enough people complained and they got uber nerfed instead of tweaked to get rid of the exploit). The ones I'm talking about seem to think that whatever they complain about will get nerfed, and they want ALL Killers to be weak. We have enough weak Killers, half the roster is bad. We don't NEED NERFS to anything.
What we need is careful tweaks to things. Not cratering Nerfs. Remove collision and add it back with prayer beads. Make that all Prayer beads do. Things like that. The lower tier Killers need to be brought up to be viable.
Let's all try and be a bit more constructive in our talking and don't just insult each other.
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@Raptorrotas said:
Funny how all survivors are in denial about "solo" with "randoms" not being the normal state of the game and thst its something like a punishment for "not playing with friends"....
Oh I wonder how strong such hexes would be if all those conveniences of swf (or most likely cwf) were considered in the actual game balance.
If you suspect Noed, "do the bones."
Afterall you got time to spare for everyone running DS, afterall " just wait a minute".
Sarcastic, biting, and true.
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I would like it even if they let me sell back the splinters for the KILLERS I ALREADY OWN! STOP PUTTING THEM IN MY BLOOD WEB CAUSE I USED CELLS!
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@WickedKatz said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/736799#Comment_736799
Is that an issue?Counterplay?
are you one of the ones that yell about Spirit not having counter play?
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@arslaN said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/737190#Comment_737190
Thrilling would be good if the cooldown wasn't so long. BBQ doesn't have a cooldown and it gives you more bloodpoints so it's a lot better overall imo.
If you are having trouble finding people in the beginning then corrupt intervention will help you find them quickly since you won't have to check the furthest gens from you.
The main problem with your build is that it basically encourages survivors to do gens fast. imo. They will never self care because it takes ages and do gens instead. I find that it is actually a good thing sometimes when they heal because they don't do gens.
Ah that makes sense.
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@Chocolate_Cosmos said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/738068#Comment_738068
I play againts him and also I play him offten :P
You are prob just U N L U C K Y
Oh no, I already know that last part. Also, I main Legion.
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@FishFry247 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/737938#Comment_737938
Also everyone plays the same game stop the weird prejudice against people who plays killers/survivors that does nothing but make you look childish
agreed
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@Kaiju said:
I think you need to put this in feedback? Even do the devs say the pins idea was to apply the effect as soon as you hit them not double hit them
Why haven't they changed this then? This would make them SO MUCH BETTER!
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Legion is still played? Where? I feel like i'm the only one
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I'd say this was lost to whining, but it started there.
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Wow... this forum just degraded quickly. Not really helped by how aggressive OP was. I think I'll just not bother to lob any ideas in here other than...
@Raccoon said:
That doesn't address my question, though.
What could the killer possibly gain to be on par with all this free information for survivors?
They never answered your question other than being Rude.
And all of you go calm down or something. Why must these forum posts and topics always boil down to a war or whining?
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@NMCKE said:
I was thinking once you start mending, you must finish mending.
Therefore, you can't mend in plain sight or else you're dead.
That... and well if you let your mend thing get too 99% and then start mending... well right now you are fine. Nothing bad happens. I think that's kinda odd.
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Can I just add "Toxic" is very over used. It's not used for people that disagree with you. It's for those guys that tell you to ######### and toss racial slurs at you.
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Another one of these. This will go no where.
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@Chocolate_Cosmos said:
For me, it's Clown for sure.
I play againts him like once per 50+ games as Survivor.
.... must be Legion for you. They arnt even on the poll.
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@Gamzello said:
Recently I've become more active on the forums, and started getting back into DBD once more. I notice that lots of people were saying to "Nerf Spirit" but I'm completely against that idea.
Instead of nerfing another killer, only to have a few true viable ones and seeing them almost every game, let us discuss the others killers we hardly ever see!
There's lots of other killers that should have that same recognition that deserve the viability that other high tier killers have! As a survivor main, I enjoy having a challenge put against me by all killers. It sucks that after awhile you see a repeat of similar killers in more higher ranks.
Before anybody attacks me, I play both sides but prefer survivor! So please don't bash on me so hard! <3
Anyways, here is what I usually see in my games. I will be giving a short description of each killer, their viability, perks, add ons, average kills I see in MY games, what ranks they're in, and how rare they are. Of course you don't have to agree with me, but this is just the way that I see it.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/435/099B11JNLX5P.png
SS Tier killer:
Nurse's power is broken if you play her really well. Her add ons are really good. Her perks are great. Average can be 2k but if played well a 4k will happen. Can apply some map pressure. Very rare to find.
S Tier killers:
Myers's power is astounding. Very powerful with the right add ons, and perks are decent. You will get a 3-4k for sure. You can find him at any rank, but mainly high or mid rank. He can apply some map pressure. Common to find.
Billy is mobile killer, best to reaching exit gates or generators quickly. His add ons are great, but most of his perks aren't that good. He can get a 3-4k if you play him well. Can apply an insane amount of map pressure. You can find him at any rank. Uncommon to find.
A Tier killers:
Spirit is another very mobile killer, great for mind games. She's one of the few balanced, truly viable killers. Good perks, and very great add ons. If you play her well you can get a 3-4k. Can apply immense amount of map pressure. She is seen at any rank. Common to find.
Hag is another viable killer when you catch a survivor at the right time. Her power is great, she has decent perks, ruin being her best one. Her add ons are great. You can get a 2-3k, but if you play really well a 4k for her. Can apply some map pressure. You can find her more at low-mid ranks. Common to find.
B tier killers:
Wraith is fun to play, but not as viable as the others I mentioned above. None of his perks are usually ever used, or when they are, they are completely rare. His add ons are good. On average, I see Wraiths get 2k or below unless they're really good. Can apply some map pressure. Almost always found in low ranks. Common to find.
Freddy can be viable as well. His perks are decent. His add ons are decent. On average, I'd say they get about 2-3k kills. It's rare to get a 4k as Freddy from what I've seen. As survivor, I was able to ignore his power and still do generations easily, which can be a problem nonetheless for Freddy players. Can apply some map pressure. Found in any rank. Rare to find.
GhostFace can be viable, but he's a stealthy type killer. Usually stealthy type killers (Expect for Myers) don't really have good games, I've noticed that a lot. His perks are great. His add ons are good. The average kills I see GhostFaces get are 1-2k. (Yeah, it's really bad!) His power can be avoided however, which makes him more B tier. He doesn't apply any map pressure. Found in low or mid ranks. Rare to find.
C Tier Killers:
The Clown can be somewhat viable. His perks are good. His add ons are decent. I usually see Clown's get either 2k or 3k. They usually get genrushed to hell in my experience. He can apply to little or none when it comes to map pressure. Found in mid ranks. Rare to find.
Plague is also averagely viable. Her perks are okay. Her add ons are decent. Average is usually a 2k. Depending on the team, a 3-4k can happen. Her power can be very easily ignored, making her more a C-tier type killer. Can also get genrushed badly. Vomit Registration can sometimes not go through. Can apply little to some map pressure. Found in mid ranks. Rare to find.
Trapper is another fun killer to play, but easily counter-able as well making him more of a C tier killer. His perks aren't that great. His add ons are good. On average Trappers can get 1k to 2k. (In higher ranks), however in lower ranks he can get more of a 3-4k. Doesn't apply that much map pressure. Found in lower ranks. Common to find.
The Pig is another stealth killer, her traps can be ignored by high ranked players and still continue doing generators. Her perks are okay. Her add ons are okay. On average I'd say they get about 1-2k. Doesn't apply that much map pressure. Found in mid to low ranks. Uncommon to find.
D Tier killers:
The Doctor is one of those killers that are supposed to make generators hard to do, but does the complete opposite. Sometimes his power doesn't work or do enough. His perks are good. Add ons are okay. On average, they get about 1-2k or less due to genrushing. Found in low ranks. Uncommon to find.
Leatherface may sound like a really good killer, but not really. His stun time makes it worse for him. Has great perks. Okay add ons. On average they get about 1-2k or possible 3k. It's rare to see LF get a 4k in my games since they always get genrushed as well. Found in low and mid ranks. Uncommon to find.
Huntress has a great potential as killer but hit boxes, and delays on console make it so much worse. (I'm so happy devs are going to fix this!) Her perks aren't the best, I never see anyone running them that much. Her add ons are good. On average I'd say they get about 1-2k. She's really easy to loop as well, and usually genrushed. Found in low ranks. Uncommon to find.
Legion was a killer that you either hated or loved. After his rework, I barely saw a Legion. His perks are good. His add ons are okay. On average, Legions get 1-2k. Found in low ranks usually. Very rare to find nowadays.
This is my tier list of killers I've played against, and my personal opinion on them. I've also had my own personal experience with them. The killers I play a lot are: Myers, Trapper, Spirit, Plague, Huntress and The Pig.
I also play on PS4 so some of these results might a lot more different than Xbox or PC. Or maybe just for people overall. By average, I mean different players not people who main these killers by the way!!!
Edit: Fixing some errors, and added some text.
Hi! I'm one of those really rare Legion mains. If you are in purple ranks, I hope to play against you! You seem nice and really fair. Alot more level headed than most.
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@Deadeye said:
@Sziosis well, so far just talking about the basekit here. Franks mixtape was broken and combined with the powder an almost guaranteed 4k.
But Legion is not the worst killer cuz it is 115% now. Every killer at that speed can manage to be good. And the multi stabbing was actually the great fun part, for me also on survivor side. Because of the 110% MS Legion was not really a threat when injured, but there was always a massive slaughtering once you teamed up with other survivors. Actually it was a bit funny to me to see screaming survivors spread into all directions, I really loved these scenes.
@UlvenDagoth I think Legion needs a complete rework. Most survivors still hate them. I think sometimes, for no resaon, just because they got used to hate Legion, but anyway. The massive slashing and chasing down multiple times needs to get back, but in a way that makes it more counterable and not a waste of time if you loose a chase.
Maybe like stacking up wound tokens with each hit, that slows down your speed by 3% and needs 10 seconds to heal per stack, maybe 5sec when healed by others. But you are downed if you receive the 4th stack. So you can decide if you take more stacks and risk the down or if you take the slowdown. Just a rough idea, but definitely something completely different from what it is now
Oh that's a fun idea! I like that. Keeps with the Feral sadism too.
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@Mr_Goodman said:
Sad that a troll discussion gets more views and comments then my other discussions that I genuinely put effort into. That's the dbd community for you lol.
IKR?
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@Deadeye said:
@UlvenDagoth I know about the blood. This was actually one of the HUUUGE points that I totally did not understand why they changed it. There was literally no one complaining about it. The only complaints about that was the moonwalk abuse to track survivors backwards, but that is "outside" of the Frenzy! When they opened the questioning to ask things they should answer in their stream I asked them about taking position to every change and what they addressed with it. Sadly that was not asked often enough, they stated some of the changes but not all. And I'm pretty sure there is no straight answer to this change
I enjoy Legion... I still play them cause I like the playstyle... but playing any other Killer I feel like in an anime when the fighter takes off his weighted clothes or something. Legion is in a terrible spot and I keep seeing people say they just nerfed them to buff them later. How long has it been? When am I really gonna have fun again?
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@Sziosis said:
I miss old Legion as well, but there was little to no counter play to a good Legion back then and many of the addons made Legion terrifying. He needed so many changes to be more balanced, but they dropped what I originally liked about Legion which was having to stab people repeatedly to down them. He's not the worst killer after the change, but it's sad those aspects are gone for good now.
He is one of the worst. Trust me I know. I main them.
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@Deadeye said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/737734#Comment_737734
He had a counter. Almost everyone forgets that Legion cannot see scratch marks in FF chase. And also that sloppy butcher and bloodhound was kinda meta to them to get around that. But that is a tracking ability that is strong on every killer, Legion just could make use of it the most because of the ability. NB that this eats up half of your perks, so it's gotta be good.
Leaving that aside, many survivors did the pallet bait wrong. They returned way to fast to the pallet so that you could see their head. You need to time that right, and many people didn't do that. If someone knew how to do it right, it wasn't so difficult to get past the 6 seconds. I even managed some times to crouch back to the pallet, Legion get past me and then I didn't fault back over the pallet but followed Legion, to make him turn around and me leaving behind his back. No scratch marks for the win. Of course this doesn't work when already injured (without Iron will), but feels great when you manage to outplay Legion like that. And that's not the only situation where you can make use of the missing scratch marks. Breaking LOS and Quick and Quiet was pretty strong against them.
I used to main Legion also before the change and had regular 0 - 4k games with them. After the change I simply hate them. Nothing that was fun to play is left. The power simply gives an easier first hit, after that it is just pushing through the loops. If a survivor is too good at looping, I even go to tier 3 with Myers if I feel like, just to get the speed boost to hit the injured loop god. Legion has simply nothing.
And to be honest, for me it was no problem to "have no counter play" against Legion. I enjoyed the chase as long as it lasts, trying to buy as much time as possible for others to do the gen. I don't need to make a fool of all killers by any means. If I can't because of his power, I'm happy to take the advantage of longer chases by default and try to maximise it. And be even happier if I still manage to escape. And for example that the FF was ready within 2 seconds? That also means if Legion tried to optimize the Frenzy distance, a single 360 could be enough to get the stun and another distance boost.
But it is easier to just complain about all that doesn't fit into your playstyle than to find a way to deal with it.
Thank you. This was the best way i've seen this put and much better than I could have said it. All of your points I agree with, and I feel the pain as a Legion Main now. Also... just as a sad side note... Legion can't see blood or scratch marks now in FF...
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@anarchy753 said:
The worst part is this map has had some new, and VERY well hidden spots added to it recently.
And yet they looked at that piece of crap and went "nah that's fine, nobody will spot that."
IKR? This is why i dont run Ruin.