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Lovely how toxic people get because of a video game.
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After reading what the OP wrote, I don't know if I should laugh or cry.SenzuDuck said:
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Maybe they finance the development of dedicated servers with those skins.witulo said:I'm not an expert on this matter as apparently most people are here, but like I said. If they put the time money and resources they waste on microtransaction cosmetic items, and channel that into transitioning to dedicated servers I'm sure they could do it.
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Yes, but Instead of nerfing SWF, they buff solo players and therefore also SWF.se05239 said:@Tsulan said:
shasta said:
RotBb said:
altruistic said:Imagine thinking Killer at the moment is hard.
You clearly never played Killer in 2016, or 2017.
So many new players think they’re better than they actually are. They play against better people and immediately think it’s the games fault. Gamers today in a nutshell.
I have 500+ hours in game, wdym “new player”? I’m currently sitting at rank seven as killer, and I got to rank one as Amanda last season, I’m not a new killer and I wasn’t saying it wasn’t harder back then, what I was saying is that the game can’t ever be balanced because the killer is supposed to be stronger than the survivors unless they work together.
The killer is stronger , the problem is people refuse to change play style or perk builds to accommodate what they need , they think they should be able to play how they want and not change a thing and still win every single time
Translation: killers only need to equip hangman's + iron grip + agitation to counter sabotage, lightborn and Franklin's for Flashlights, ruin + pop goes the weasel + overcharge against gen rush, enduring + brutal Strength + bamboozle to counter looping, and we haven't even started on the perks required to counter actual survivor perks...
Game has never been easier for both sides.
But survivors hold still the advantage, when the killer should be stronger.The main problem of the imbalance is SWF. The game was never intended for it. It brings too much power to the survivors.
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The majority plays survivor.Nickenzie said:
They could just open a random thread like they did with the lore questions and ask for balance advice. Then they can look at the majority and ask the community if they agree with the majority before they actually start to balance the game.Lowbei said:...or we can ignore the problem and enjoy the mediocrity.
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And he bitches about it during the whole match.BACKSTABBER said:gitgud
truetalent pwns ez SWF teams
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It could get big with esports. Rainbow 6 managed to pull this off.powerbats said:@Tsulan said:
When did they say that?
This, the game isn't really big enough to draw an esport crowd yet, at least not one where you'd get sponsors and such to make it worthwhile. They also have to finish the balance changes they want to do and realistically write the new code.
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The amount of disconnects stands in no correlation to the amount of lag switchers.
I've over 1000 hours and I can count the lag switchers I've seen on 1 hand.
Almost every match has people disconnecting, because there was no apparent punishment.
Also, the switch from peer 2 peer to dedicated servers is way more complicated than you think. It's probably not even possible, since it may be hardcoded. -
When did they say that?se05239 said:@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Kilmeran said:
@DeadByFlashlight said: Everybody knows that, only survivors claim that they are able to 4k with ease against competent SWF
and regarding youtube. I can create a compilation of me throwing a coin and the only sides that show are head, even 20 times in a row. Does that mean that head is the "OP" side?Yep. That's way the so-called Tournament actually exposed so much.
True and it will probably never happen again
Never say never. The developers want DbD to become an Esport.
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Translation: killers only need to equip hangman's + iron grip + agitation to counter sabotage, lightborn and Franklin's for Flashlights, ruin + pop goes the weasel + overcharge against gen rush, enduring + brutal Strength + bamboozle to counter looping, and we haven't even started on the perks required to counter actual survivor perks...shasta said:
The killer is stronger , the problem is people refuse to change play style or perk builds to accommodate what they need , they think they should be able to play how they want and not change a thing and still win every single timeRotBb said:
I have 500+ hours in game, wdym “new player”? I’m currently sitting at rank seven as killer, and I got to rank one as Amanda last season, I’m not a new killer and I wasn’t saying it wasn’t harder back then, what I was saying is that the game can’t ever be balanced because the killer is supposed to be stronger than the survivors unless they work together.altruistic said:Imagine thinking Killer at the moment is hard.
You clearly never played Killer in 2016, or 2017.
So many new players think they’re better than they actually are. They play against better people and immediately think it’s the games fault. Gamers today in a nutshell.
Game has never been easier for both sides.
But survivors hold still the advantage, when the killer should be stronger. -
Could there be a reason? Maybe how unbalanced the game is?Dreamnomad said:The killer cry threads... how is it the only side that can kill or injure anyone are the ones constantly crying on the forums? Honestly, you should quit. You don't deserve to play as the killer if all you are going to do is whine and cry about how the defenseless survivors are bullying you.
And yes, many killer mains abandoned the game. The only reason survivors still find lobbies, is because there's a sale every month. Providing us with a steady flow of new killers that believe that they simply need to git gud. -
Let's stop it here. You don't see the issue, because you were not around, when the Haunted Grounds happened. Where some dev had the brilliant idea to "fix" Flashlights. Turning them into a guaranteed save.powerbats said:@Tsulan said:
Sure, it's the killers fault, when 4 survivors with toolboxes and sabotage, sabotage the already spread hooks. Killer can increase the 2 hooks by a whooping 1. Which still isn't a problem for longer lasting toolboxes.
It's not the bullies fault. Let's shame the victim.
Oh yes this excuse again, it's always the 4 man with tool boxes or the 4 man with flashlights, or the 4 man DS squad that's used as an excuse. I rarely saw at rank 1-2 4 man toolboxes and when I did only 1 of them was used on hooks, the rest were used exclusively on event gens.
When someone sabo'd an event hook and got hooked they got left till either they died or someone else got hooked. So what if killers can only increase 1 hook you're seriously going to try and use that as an argument after I showed how false it was already?
So somehow survivors are going to magically not put up any offerings for an entire 2 weeks of an event thereby forging their own chance at any cosmetics and or extra bp. Yeah no wonder killers are held in such contempt on these forums when you try and use logic like that.
Now before the trash starts flowing again I'm not ignoring the sabo issues but even if the sabo last longer so what, you're not going to just drop them and let them bleed on the ground till it respawns? There seems to be this huge victim and woe is me complex now that omg there's nothing i can do.
You can chase your chase orientations to get them to go closer to an event hook, you can punish those that sabo your event hooks. There's so much you as a killer can do yet it's I'm defeated before a single match has started syndrome again.
If you're all going to complain this much over something that not only hasn't happened but also might not you're just feeding all the trolls out there. They see stuff like this and now they're know they can trigger you by going after your hooks.
It might turn out bad but it might also turn out just fine, but the doom and gloom happens every patch and evey event yet the game seems to go on just fine. This is why those complaining the loudest on both sides can't ever be taken seriously.
Someone sabo's your stuff then tunnel and camp them as a lesson or mori them same as happened during the event. Most killers that brought mori's only used them on the jerks, tea baggers and event hook saboteurs. Most survivors if they had a sabo daily went out of their way to the furthest corners of the map away from event hooks to sabo.
When I had a savo daily i either dropped it during the event or I did exactly as above then dropped my toolbox in front of the killer to let them know. but if killers are jerks this time with no provocation then their event hooks get sabo'd. That's an unwritten rule since what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Just play the game and if people are jerks they're jerks and punish them accordingly and if not play regularly like usual. Besides it's 2 friggin weeks and it's a lot easier for you to get your tokens than it is for survivors.
Just to give you an example: 4x DS, 2 Flashlights and 2 toolboxes. I down a survivor, try to pick up, flashlight. Down him again, face a wall, pick up and try to reach the hook, get body blocked until he triggers his DS. Next time I reached the hook = sabotaged before my eyes. And when I finally reached the hook with no one sabotaging: survivor on my shoulder disconnected.
And that was during 1 match.
Yeah, it's possible to get those hooks. But survivors made it a nightmare for killers.
No one complained during BBQ event, because that one was ok. No mayor things had been changed for the event.
Oh and survivors got their event coins way easier than killers. They just had to be alive to get the coins. Others completed the event gens, while they were free to do what they wanted.
We'll see in a few days, who is right.
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Hex perks are worthless. Only use them if you have nothing else to equip.
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Btw, the BBQ event was a piece of cake.powerbats said:@Tsulan said:
Even IF you had it, it wouldn´t make a difference. The next event will be worse than Haunted Grounds.
The minimum distance of hooks has been increased to 24 meters. Now add, that there are only 2-7 hooks (depending on the offerings). Means, that most of the time, the killer will reach the hook just barely.
Survivors will run towards the zones, where no event hooks are. Body block, DS, sabotage, etc.
I guarantee you, that the forum will be full of killers which give up on the event.Because the shoe fits here.
@powerbats said:
@Tsulan said:
@powerbats said:
@Tsulan said:
I agree on everything you said.Btw, the upcoming event will be even worse for killers than Haunted Grounds.
Sabotage gets a buff during a event where killers have to hook survivors on special hooks.
What could possibly go wrong?!You could oh i don't know run Hang mans Trick for the luls when people try and sabo your event hooks as well as nail them for doing so. I ran it on my Trapper as normal but also my Huntress for the daily she had and nailed jerks.
That´s the "just break the pallet" answer to looping.
Event hooks will be a minority. Means, that the hook won´t be usually the closest hook you´ll see. Now the minimum distance between hooks is 24 meters. So the killer will just barely reach the event hook, only to get body blocked and/or the hook sabotaged. If he drops the survivor, because he has hangmans, then the survivor will break free. Even IF the survivor doesn´t break free, he won´t just stay where you drop him until the hook respawns.
Mark my words. Killers will have a terrible event.
This is going to sound harsh because it is but it's also logic and facts hopefully putting a stop to all this victim nonese.
In other words no one's going to put up offerings so the poor killers will only get 2 hooks, is that what you're saying? I mean good grief talk about drama and woe is me victimhood here, I mean it's not like there wasn't offerings galore the 1st week of the BBQ event. Most killers had their weapon within the 1st few days and after that were just farming bp.
There was also quite a few wouldn't put any up and instead make sure survivors couldn't do only the special event gens. Just because they didn't want survivors who'd put up offerings to help get them theirs couldn't get some for themselves.
if killers have a bad event mark my words, it's their own fault for not putting offerings out there plain and simple. Since if they don't want to put offerings out there then they don't deserve to get their special hooks plain and simple.
When I did the BBQ event I made sure to put up offerings every match on both sides even if I already had what i needed. I still did it to help others get their tokens since I knew not everyone would've gotten it and in fact I've still got offerings in my inventory on both sides.
If you or any other killer doesn't get it then you've got no one to blame but yourselves so stop trying to play the victim here.
Haunted Grounds was the event that traumatized many killers.
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Sure, it's the killers fault, when 4 survivors with toolboxes and sabotage, sabotage the already spread hooks. Killer can increase the 2 hooks by a whooping 1. Which still isn't a problem for longer lasting toolboxes.powerbats said:@Tsulan said:
@powerbats said:
@Tsulan said:
I agree on everything you said.Btw, the upcoming event will be even worse for killers than Haunted Grounds.
Sabotage gets a buff during a event where killers have to hook survivors on special hooks.
What could possibly go wrong?!You could oh i don't know run Hang mans Trick for the luls when people try and sabo your event hooks as well as nail them for doing so. I ran it on my Trapper as normal but also my Huntress for the daily she had and nailed jerks.
That´s the "just break the pallet" answer to looping.
Event hooks will be a minority. Means, that the hook won´t be usually the closest hook you´ll see. Now the minimum distance between hooks is 24 meters. So the killer will just barely reach the event hook, only to get body blocked and/or the hook sabotaged. If he drops the survivor, because he has hangmans, then the survivor will break free. Even IF the survivor doesn´t break free, he won´t just stay where you drop him until the hook respawns.
Mark my words. Killers will have a terrible event.
This is going to sound harsh because it is but it's also logic and facts hopefully putting a stop to all this victim nonese.
In other words no one's going to put up offerings so the poor killers will only get 2 hooks, is that what you're saying? I mean good grief talk about drama and woe is me victimhood here, I mean it's not like there wasn't offerings galore the 1st week of the BBQ event. Most killers had their weapon within the 1st few days and after that were just farming bp.
There was also quite a few wouldn't put any up and instead make sure survivors couldn't do only the special event gens. Just because they didn't want survivors who'd put up offerings to help get them theirs couldn't get some for themselves.
if killers have a bad event mark my words, it's their own fault for not putting offerings out there plain and simple. Since if they don't want to put offerings out there then they don't deserve to get their special hooks plain and simple.
When I did the BBQ event I made sure to put up offerings every match on both sides even if I already had what i needed. I still did it to help others get their tokens since I knew not everyone would've gotten it and in fact I've still got offerings in my inventory on both sides.
If you or any other killer doesn't get it then you've got no one to blame but yourselves so stop trying to play the victim here.
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Even IF you had it, it wouldn´t make a difference. The next event will be worse than Haunted Grounds.
The minimum distance of hooks has been increased to 24 meters. Now add, that there are only 2-7 hooks (depending on the offerings). Means, that most of the time, the killer will reach the hook just barely.
Survivors will run towards the zones, where no event hooks are. Body block, DS, sabotage, etc.
I guarantee you, that the forum will be full of killers which give up on the event. -
@powerbats said:
@Tsulan said:
I agree on everything you said.Btw, the upcoming event will be even worse for killers than Haunted Grounds.
Sabotage gets a buff during a event where killers have to hook survivors on special hooks.
What could possibly go wrong?!You could oh i don't know run Hang mans Trick for the luls when people try and sabo your event hooks as well as nail them for doing so. I ran it on my Trapper as normal but also my Huntress for the daily she had and nailed jerks.
That´s the "just break the pallet" answer to looping.
Event hooks will be a minority. Means, that the hook won´t be usually the closest hook you´ll see. Now the minimum distance between hooks is 24 meters. So the killer will just barely reach the event hook, only to get body blocked and/or the hook sabotaged. If he drops the survivor, because he has hangmans, then the survivor will break free. Even IF the survivor doesn´t break free, he won´t just stay where you drop him until the hook respawns.
Mark my words. Killers will have a terrible event.
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I agree on everything you said.
Btw, the upcoming event will be even worse for killers than Haunted Grounds.
Sabotage gets a buff during a event where killers have to hook survivors on special hooks.
What could possibly go wrong?! -
It gives the points during the trial and has been bugged for a year now. You only start to get points once the first dull totem has been cleansed.
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We could start a killer support group.
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@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Tsulan said:
So... camping sucks if it happens when the gates are powered, so your proposed solution is to do gens?
O_oCamping after the gates have been powered only occurs because the killer has nothing else to do.
But the devs said they wanted to change endgame anyway, so maybe "soon TM"No one understands what i mean -.-
OP said, that the solution to camping AFTER the gates are powered is TO DO GENS. -
@HellDescent said:
@Tsulan said:
So... camping sucks if it happens when the gates are powered, so your proposed solution is to do gens?
O_oIt's called securing a kill, in case you didn't know
Read again, what i wrote.
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So... camping sucks if it happens when the gates are powered, so your proposed solution is to do gens?
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I love how the general consensus is that every killer condemns sandbagging.
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There is no legit argument to purposely derank to face new players. The rank 20 survivor, OP complained about, was a experienced player who didn't belong there.shasta said:
See you my friend have a legit argument here I don’t blame you at all for being upset , but would you be mad if you killed a rank 20 and found out he had perks afterwards? I think these people fail to realize you can stack points on a character before playing the game mode , I know all kinds of people who played killer before survivor just to be an iconic characterredsopine1 said:shasta said:
This right here is what people should be upset about not what OP is posting, if I were a rank 15 survivor trying to go to twenty it would take 5 months to do with the new system....Boss said:I sometimes get rank 1s & 2s in my low/mid rank lobbies.
It's due to SWF. (Apparently.)
As if i didn't despise that mode enough...
ikr heck I'm still trying to get to green ranks with my p1jake (have bad games like minor lag probably my bad for broadcasting my games) or my most common issue is having 3man swf teams loading in and getting me tunnled by blowing my gens unsafe hooks making noise using bond to find me as there running all that bs)
Same goes for you. You said it took you 5 months to reach rank 20.
This isn't something to be proud of.
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But you are a killer main, yes?shasta said:
I don’t mind , if I didn’t want to p3 them I wouldn’t do it but I’m doing it with all my survivors just to have them maxed out on prestige and different perk builds for different characters, it becomes more of “what style do I want to play today?” Rather than using the same approach over and overTsulan said:
What if you don't like the character apart from looks?shasta said:
Yep because I would rather get all the perks I want before I jump into a match perkless or without perks I preferTsulan said:
So you spend 10+ million bloodpoints on a character you never played?shasta said:
It would take five months to derank to twenty from fifteen and I p3 my Adam before I even loaded him in a game the first time so yea it does happenTsulan said:
How do you know he didn't die deliberately?shasta said:
Again how do you know he didn’t just spend bloodpoints on a survivor and is a killer main? He dies first so he’s obviously not the best one of the groupJudgement said:@shasta said:
So they used bloodpoints to level up before playing? You got a 4K what are you complaining about ? I really don’t understand the problem, @not_Queen @Patricia @Peanits this is why they will never be happy no matter what anyone does for them, we have someone who killed everyone and still has a problem even though they were the highest ranked player all because the survivor at rank 20 didn’t have zero perks and stand still the whole match
Good god my dude, who hurt you?
It's the fact that this player is sitting at Rank 20 Survivor with metas on their characters as to bash noobs with meta stuff.
This isn't the first case of 'Rank 15-20 Noob Stomper with metas' I've seen either. If anything, while BHVR have made it more difficult to stay at the low ranks to bully noobs, they have not made it impossible.
Which is what it should be - impossible. The fact that I got four kills that match has no bearing on the fact that this player can be trolling and being toxic to players who actually are new to the game
For what reason? Funny moments montages? Genuinely being an ass?
Either way, what this player's doing can put off newer players from actually playing the game. That's my problem - I want more people playing Dead By Daylight, we all do. But it's players like this who don't let us have such nice things.
And yeah, I also like to prestige a character I never play, 3 times. Because #########'s n giggles.
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What if you don't like the character apart from looks?shasta said:
Yep because I would rather get all the perks I want before I jump into a match perkless or without perks I preferTsulan said:
So you spend 10+ million bloodpoints on a character you never played?shasta said:
It would take five months to derank to twenty from fifteen and I p3 my Adam before I even loaded him in a game the first time so yea it does happenTsulan said:
How do you know he didn't die deliberately?shasta said:
Again how do you know he didn’t just spend bloodpoints on a survivor and is a killer main? He dies first so he’s obviously not the best one of the groupJudgement said:@shasta said:
So they used bloodpoints to level up before playing? You got a 4K what are you complaining about ? I really don’t understand the problem, @not_Queen @Patricia @Peanits this is why they will never be happy no matter what anyone does for them, we have someone who killed everyone and still has a problem even though they were the highest ranked player all because the survivor at rank 20 didn’t have zero perks and stand still the whole match
Good god my dude, who hurt you?
It's the fact that this player is sitting at Rank 20 Survivor with metas on their characters as to bash noobs with meta stuff.
This isn't the first case of 'Rank 15-20 Noob Stomper with metas' I've seen either. If anything, while BHVR have made it more difficult to stay at the low ranks to bully noobs, they have not made it impossible.
Which is what it should be - impossible. The fact that I got four kills that match has no bearing on the fact that this player can be trolling and being toxic to players who actually are new to the game
For what reason? Funny moments montages? Genuinely being an ass?
Either way, what this player's doing can put off newer players from actually playing the game. That's my problem - I want more people playing Dead By Daylight, we all do. But it's players like this who don't let us have such nice things.
And yeah, I also like to prestige a character I never play, 3 times. Because #########'s n giggles.
Bold move...
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Don't worry. Survivors will get a big buff with the sabotage changes. The healing nerf won't stay for long, because killer mains like you will probably review bomb.
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Wait for the rework.
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So you spend 10+ million bloodpoints on a character you never played?shasta said:
It would take five months to derank to twenty from fifteen and I p3 my Adam before I even loaded him in a game the first time so yea it does happenTsulan said:
How do you know he didn't die deliberately?shasta said:
Again how do you know he didn’t just spend bloodpoints on a survivor and is a killer main? He dies first so he’s obviously not the best one of the groupJudgement said:@shasta said:
So they used bloodpoints to level up before playing? You got a 4K what are you complaining about ? I really don’t understand the problem, @not_Queen @Patricia @Peanits this is why they will never be happy no matter what anyone does for them, we have someone who killed everyone and still has a problem even though they were the highest ranked player all because the survivor at rank 20 didn’t have zero perks and stand still the whole match
Good god my dude, who hurt you?
It's the fact that this player is sitting at Rank 20 Survivor with metas on their characters as to bash noobs with meta stuff.
This isn't the first case of 'Rank 15-20 Noob Stomper with metas' I've seen either. If anything, while BHVR have made it more difficult to stay at the low ranks to bully noobs, they have not made it impossible.
Which is what it should be - impossible. The fact that I got four kills that match has no bearing on the fact that this player can be trolling and being toxic to players who actually are new to the game
For what reason? Funny moments montages? Genuinely being an ass?
Either way, what this player's doing can put off newer players from actually playing the game. That's my problem - I want more people playing Dead By Daylight, we all do. But it's players like this who don't let us have such nice things.
And yeah, I also like to prestige a character I never play, 3 times. Because #########'s n giggles.
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Can we bring WGLF back to it's original status? I mean that was really funny back then.
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How do you know he didn't die deliberately?shasta said:
Again how do you know he didn’t just spend bloodpoints on a survivor and is a killer main? He dies first so he’s obviously not the best one of the groupJudgement said:@shasta said:
So they used bloodpoints to level up before playing? You got a 4K what are you complaining about ? I really don’t understand the problem, @not_Queen @Patricia @Peanits this is why they will never be happy no matter what anyone does for them, we have someone who killed everyone and still has a problem even though they were the highest ranked player all because the survivor at rank 20 didn’t have zero perks and stand still the whole match
Good god my dude, who hurt you?
It's the fact that this player is sitting at Rank 20 Survivor with metas on their characters as to bash noobs with meta stuff.
This isn't the first case of 'Rank 15-20 Noob Stomper with metas' I've seen either. If anything, while BHVR have made it more difficult to stay at the low ranks to bully noobs, they have not made it impossible.
Which is what it should be - impossible. The fact that I got four kills that match has no bearing on the fact that this player can be trolling and being toxic to players who actually are new to the game
For what reason? Funny moments montages? Genuinely being an ass?
Either way, what this player's doing can put off newer players from actually playing the game. That's my problem - I want more people playing Dead By Daylight, we all do. But it's players like this who don't let us have such nice things.
And yeah, I also like to prestige a character I never play, 3 times. Because #########'s n giggles. -
Working as intended.
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Well, you made a longer post.Judgement said:@Tsulan said:
shasta said:
Judgement said:@DeadByFlashlight said:
When there are no other players at your rank, matchmaking will take a larger group of ranks into account.
I heard several times that queue time is insane for beginners, the whole rank 20-15 idea was completely nonsense if you ask me
If you took a look at the Rank 20's perk, that's definitely not a beginner.
This is someone who deranked down to Rank 15 then went through a few Rank Resets without playing Survivor the whole time just to play games as a Survivor at Rank 20 with metas.
This shouldn't be a thing, and yet it is.
So they used bloodpoints to level up before playing? You got a 4K what are you complaining about ? I really don’t understand the problem, @not_Queen @Patricia @Peanits this is why they will never be happy no matter what anyone does for them, we have someone who killed everyone and still has a problem even though they were the highest ranked player all because the survivor at rank 20 didn’t have zero perks and stand still the whole match
What OP is complaining about is that a experienced player is playing as rank 20 survivor.
Shouldn't be that way.The fact that he killed them, doesn't matter.
Thanks for explaining that to them, Tsulan. Just barely beat my post, lol.
Just beat you to that.
Noob ranks are a good thing. But people found a way to bypass it, to stomp noobs. Which is really bad. Since new players could be scared away, because of those players.
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What OP is complaining about is that a experienced player is playing as rank 20 survivor.shasta said:
So they used bloodpoints to level up before playing? You got a 4K what are you complaining about ? I really don’t understand the problem, @not_Queen @Patricia @Peanits this is why they will never be happy no matter what anyone does for them, we have someone who killed everyone and still has a problem even though they were the highest ranked player all because the survivor at rank 20 didn’t have zero perks and stand still the whole matchJudgement said:@DeadByFlashlight said:
When there are no other players at your rank, matchmaking will take a larger group of ranks into account.I heard several times that queue time is insane for beginners, the whole rank 20-15 idea was completely nonsense if you ask me
If you took a look at the Rank 20's perk, that's definitely not a beginner.
This is someone who deranked down to Rank 15 then went through a few Rank Resets without playing Survivor the whole time just to play games as a Survivor at Rank 20 with metas.
This shouldn't be a thing, and yet it is.
Shouldn't be that way.
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People even farm without WGLF. If just makes it more worthwile.
Camping is not a problem. Camping is just a secondary effect of killers not feeling like they have the power role. If killers were actually powerful, and survivors would have additional objectives instead of being able to repair all 5 gens in 3 minutes or less. Then there would be considerable less camping. -
@kimukipi said:
@Tsulan said:
It could be worse. David could farm you without BT.I'm not a survivor main but I'm sure you don't "farm" without WGLF. That perk is going to be penalized for unsafe unhooks just like emblems while BT lets you ignore that which is my point. And this could also help killers who doesn't camp (32 m terror radius is quite large to camp) but get fu*d over by BT once exits are done.
Where did i say farm without WGLF?
BT makes unsafe unhooks safe. You haven´t seen how it was before it´s rework. Everyone used it, because both the unhooked and the unhooking survivor got protected by it.
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It could be worse. David could farm you without BT.
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@Visionmaker said:
@Tsulan said:
If high ranks don't have campers, then what are you complaining about? Just enjoy the game.
Survivor emblems were so "hard" that most survivors wouldn't be able to rank up and killers on high ranks wouldn't find any lobbies to fill. It was so hard, because survivors refused to change their playstyle. Devs changed the requirements to pip, and now I save pip if I survive 2 minutes as survivor.Now the devs which said that camping is a feature from the beginning, which removed face camping (survivors still claim it exists), introduced BBQ to reduce camping (survivors hate it), introduced MYC (survivors hate it) and never wanted to punish camping. Suddenly punish it, because survivors complain all the time about this unfair mechanic. They complained so much, that survivors now are even immune to hits, right after unhooking.
But sure, killers will once again adapt their playstyle. Like they did so often. And survivors will find something else to complain about.
Just remember, that survivors complained about killers not needing to kill to rank up.
Since when was I complaining? There is not one complaint in any of my posts on this thread. Half my responses to these silly camper complaints is just to tell them to continue camping. Thanks for your input..?
Oh. Shame campers are now being "discouraged" from camping. (Since campers cared about pipping, right?) My condolences.
Again, as we've both agreed to, only low tier trash killers will need to "once again" adapt. I don't suppose you are in that group. But I can see it if that's why you are upset.
Are you responding to me or are you just ranting?
So "only low tier trash killers will camp" is something worthy of a response? Like discussion wise?
Sometimes camping is the only correct thing the killer can do.
Don´t believe me? What if 2 or 3 survivors are hooked in the basement or next to each other? Should the killer go to a random gen and patiently wait, until they have been unhooked?
Survivors screwed up. Killer gets punished for doing his job. Or do survivors get punished if they stay close to a almost finished gen? Of course not. It´s their objective. Just like the killers objective is to kill. -
All the perks you named require a animation lock. Like borrowed time.Peanits said:@Tsulan said:
Peanits said:@Tsulan said:
Peanits said:
@Grimbergoth said:
@Peanits said:
That's what bloodwarden is for. I think making it happen passively when the killer gets close would remove the butt cheek clenching moments when someone's running to the exit gate with the killer hot on their tail. i think your missing what he is saying . hes talking about the tbagging survivors who sit at the gate doing nothing except waiting for the killer to show up so they can get a fast chase bonus . at that point in the game all perks are useless except noed and only if they are not hugging the exit itself like 99% that stay behind do . Nah, I get that, but it's also tricky. How do you make it punish people who are teabagging but not those that go to the gates to heal up before going back for a rescue or take a hit, for example? Or even someone just standing there so the killer can hit them for some free points? You could try to get some fancy teabag detecting technology in there, but that's more effort than it's worth and could also create some unwanted situations. (e.g. Survivor is running from the killer and is just barely going to get out, someone else was sitting there teabagging at the gate so now it's blocked.) If they're teabagging at the games, I'd just hit them. Takes a second, and then they either have to leave or they get hooked. Blood Warden needs a rework. It should be activated, when the killer presses a button. If survivors want to heal themselves up, to save someone else, then they should do it in an unsafe environment. Not at the gate, where even if they get downed, they escape.
Devs said, that pallets are not supposed to be save places. Why are the gates?
I won't comment on blood warden since I haven't played with it much, but I have seen it completely turn around games a couple times. I think making it on-demand would be a bit much.
If they're already in the gates, you basically lost. That's why it's safe. They powered the generators, opened the gate, and they are quite literally an inch away from winning. If you hit them, they either have to leave or they'll lose. I don't see any reason to give the killer kills in that situation because they really did not earn them.
It's a "no risk, high reward" situation. Survivor doesn't risks anything by staying at the gate and healing. But gains a lot if he goes back to unhook.
Survivor perks work on demand. Deliverance, Dead Hard, Lithe, Sprint Burst and Self Care.
I don't see what you're getting at with survivor perks being on-demand. You could say the same about killer perks. Pop Goes the Weasel is on-demand. So are Overcharge, Rancor, and Bamboozle by the same logic. Even then, Sprint Burst is not on-demand, it activates when you first sprint. The equivalent here would be if you could activate Sprint Burst whenever you want by pressing a button like Dead Hard. In any case, I don't want to see a "Yeah, you beat me, but I pressed a button so now I win." I don't want kills I didn't earn.
If a survivor does choose to leave the gate, they are taking a risk. If they stay there, they're safe. Leaving the gate is not risk free.
Not exactly on demand.
Anyway, senzu joined the conversation and I'm really to tired for this kind of discussion.
Btw, you might want to take a look at the survivor forum. Bots running rampage. -
There are more moments when camping is the right choice.SmokePotion said:@Tsulan said:
Game is terribly survivor sided. Killers are there to entertain them. You already bought the clown. Now guess what the killer is for survivors.All gens can be repaired in 3 minutes or less.
Killer has to do 12 hooks in the same time.
This won't get any better, since now killers will be punished if they camp.Rank reset happened, so you should try to stay on low ranks and get used to the other killers. Since hag plays so different than other killers.
Yeah I've been practicing my "Chasers" as I call them. Clown is good for cutting off rotations.
I don't understand why killers are being punished for camping. There is literally only one time camping is worth it. And that when you have someone on the hook when the last gen is done, or just after.
I stand by my previous point that there doesn't need to be TWO exits that take less then 30 seconds to open. (i don't know how long, but I just had one group open one in about that) And that they should probably have more then one door on the gate, making them open each.
2 or 3 survivors hooked in the basement or close to each other? Killer has every right to camp. Survivors ######### up and yet the killer gets punished in that situation. Since he should allow for free unhooks. -
It's a "no risk, high reward" situation. Survivor doesn't risks anything by staying at the gate and healing. But gains a lot if he goes back to unhook.Peanits said:@Tsulan said:
Peanits said:@Grimbergoth said:
@Peanits said:
That's what bloodwarden is for. I think making it happen passively when the killer gets close would remove the butt cheek clenching moments when someone's running to the exit gate with the killer hot on their tail.
i think your missing what he is saying . hes talking about the tbagging survivors who sit at the gate doing nothing except waiting for the killer to show up so they can get a fast chase bonus . at that point in the game all perks are useless except noed and only if they are not hugging the exit itself like 99% that stay behind do .
Nah, I get that, but it's also tricky. How do you make it punish people who are teabagging but not those that go to the gates to heal up before going back for a rescue or take a hit, for example? Or even someone just standing there so the killer can hit them for some free points? You could try to get some fancy teabag detecting technology in there, but that's more effort than it's worth and could also create some unwanted situations. (e.g. Survivor is running from the killer and is just barely going to get out, someone else was sitting there teabagging at the gate so now it's blocked.) If they're teabagging at the games, I'd just hit them. Takes a second, and then they either have to leave or they get hooked.
Blood Warden needs a rework. It should be activated, when the killer presses a button.
If survivors want to heal themselves up, to save someone else, then they should do it in an unsafe environment. Not at the gate, where even if they get downed, they escape.
Devs said, that pallets are not supposed to be save places. Why are the gates?
I won't comment on blood warden since I haven't played with it much, but I have seen it completely turn around games a couple times. I think making it on-demand would be a bit much.
If they're already in the gates, you basically lost. That's why it's safe. They powered the generators, opened the gate, and they are quite literally an inch away from winning. If you hit them, they either have to leave or they'll lose. I don't see any reason to give the killer kills in that situation because they really did not earn them.
Survivor perks work on demand. Deliverance, Dead Hard, Lithe, Sprint Burst and Self Care. -
Blood Warden needs a rework. It should be activated, when the killer presses a button.Peanits said:@Grimbergoth said:
@Peanits said:
That's what bloodwarden is for. I think making it happen passively when the killer gets close would remove the butt cheek clenching moments when someone's running to the exit gate with the killer hot on their tail.i think your missing what he is saying . hes talking about the tbagging survivors who sit at the gate doing nothing except waiting for the killer to show up so they can get a fast chase bonus . at that point in the game all perks are useless except noed and only if they are not hugging the exit itself like 99% that stay behind do .
Nah, I get that, but it's also tricky. How do you make it punish people who are teabagging but not those that go to the gates to heal up before going back for a rescue or take a hit, for example? Or even someone just standing there so the killer can hit them for some free points? You could try to get some fancy teabag detecting technology in there, but that's more effort than it's worth and could also create some unwanted situations. (e.g. Survivor is running from the killer and is just barely going to get out, someone else was sitting there teabagging at the gate so now it's blocked.) If they're teabagging at the games, I'd just hit them. Takes a second, and then they either have to leave or they get hooked.
If survivors want to heal themselves up, to save someone else, then they should do it in an unsafe environment. Not at the gate, where even if they get downed, they escape.
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Game is terribly survivor sided. Killers are there to entertain them. You already bought the clown. Now guess what the killer is for survivors.
All gens can be repaired in 3 minutes or less.
Killer has to do 12 hooks in the same time.
This won't get any better, since now killers will be punished if they camp.
Rank reset happened, so you should try to stay on low ranks and get used to the other killers. Since hag plays so different than other killers. -
Try Juking!Mashtyx1 said:@NextKillerSpongebob If the devs remove pallet looping what are survivors supposed to do against the killer?
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If high ranks don't have campers, then what are you complaining about? Just enjoy the game.Visionmaker said:@Tsulan said:
@Visionmaker said:
Tsulan said:@Visionmaker said:
Tsulan said:
If the devs want to punish camping (being one of the features announced since the beginning), then let them.
They'll find out soon enough, that it was a terrible idea. When survivors on high ranks can't find lobbies, since ranking up as survivor is brain dead easy.
Oh yes, high rank killers, who almost never camp to begin with, will suddenly all drop rank because of this trivial change. What a tragedy.
"devs look, I camped with Nurse every game and depipped down to 15, this is ur fault #deadqueue Xddddd"
You make your jokes. But sometimes the killer has no other choice than to camp.
They won't be depipping from it unless they want to.
Just camp and depip all you want. It'll mean HR will be less of a cesspool, and survivors will finally have a reason to pip up. Campers will have an excuse to camp and bully newbies and smurfs. Win win.
Do you REALLY think that high ranks will play ANY different?
No. You were the one implying this in your first post. Let me refresh your memory:
@Tsulan said:
If the devs want to punish camping (being one of the features announced since the beginning), then let them.
They'll find out soon enough, that it was a terrible idea. When survivors on high ranks can't find lobbies, since ranking up as survivor is brain dead easy.I already stated in response to you that HR don't have campers to begin with, and thus nothing will change. And if protesting edgelords want to camp at HR (which they are probably not in to begin with), then they'll drop down to the cesspool where they belong.
Please don't put words into my mouth.
@Raziel said:
It's not a matter of making it less effective, it's a matter of providing incentive to leave the hook. At the moment, chases are the real big spender in terms of killer resources and a hook save can completely nullify your investment. Therefore, there is nothing to gain from ignoring the hook and protecting the gens.They have been nerfing chase for the last five patches. If you still do not see the benefit of leaving the hook, then it speaks for your skill as a player, not the design of the game.
The devs have been very kind for not directly touching camping as a whole.
Survivor emblems were so "hard" that most survivors wouldn't be able to rank up and killers on high ranks wouldn't find any lobbies to fill. It was so hard, because survivors refused to change their playstyle. Devs changed the requirements to pip, and now I save pip if I survive 2 minutes as survivor.
Now the devs which said that camping is a feature from the beginning, which removed face camping (survivors still claim it exists), introduced BBQ to reduce camping (survivors hate it), introduced MYC (survivors hate it) and never wanted to punish camping. Suddenly punish it, because survivors complain all the time about this unfair mechanic. They complained so much, that survivors now are even immune to hits, right after unhooking.
But sure, killers will once again adapt their playstyle. Like they did so often. And survivors will find something else to complain about.
Just remember, that survivors complained about killers not needing to kill to rank up. -
@thekatedenson said:
I feel like a lot of killers tend to take the easy way and when they’re taking a survivor to ththe basement they go off the side and jump down but since they have perfect balanced landing they can keep on walking and get to the hook faster and I hate it when you get right there at the point where it’s like 99% complete struggling and you’re like damn if they didn’t take the easy way around I wouldn’t gotten away. I don’t think killers should be able to just have everything handed to them like with the camping that’s basically getting an insta kill but like they’re just standing there doing nothing and somehow that gets them points survivors can’t jus stand there and do nothing and magically get points or magically get a gen done no they HAVE to work to survive so why don’t killers have to work to get a kill? Camping is already being punished soon so I’m not worrying about that but realistically if you’re carrying someone on your shoulders and you jump off of a cliff you aren’t gonna jus land perfectly you’re gonna end up dropping them so I think that if a killer is a carrying a survivor and they try to cheat by literally jumping to the hook jus so survs can’t get away that they should drop them or at least have a stumble affect cause not only is that unfair but it’s also unrealistic asfGetting survivors to the basement isn´t exactly the easy way. That´s like doing the gen in the middle of the map, while the killer roams.
Killers don´t get anything handed. Survivors do. You can escape without even touching a gen, unhooking a survivor or being chased. They don´t have to do anything.
Killer had to work for that kill. He tracked you down, chased you, downed you, carried you to the hook.
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So... they are working as intended.
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@RSB said:
@not_RSB said:
not_RSB said:
RSB said:@not_RSB said:
Tsulan said:
@AdánAR said:
@Global said:
The same can be said about killers going against survivors in red ranks. looping, Flashlights, Toxic Plays. It goes both ways not just one. Looping it's part of the game lol you can't complain about it i mean ######### dude. Red ranks plays like reaching rank 1 was the greatest trophy in the world (but no, it's only a trophy on steam). Flashlight helps you for saves. Toxic plays? What do you mean? Looping was NEVER an intented game mechanic. Camping was, Mori was. Yet only the later got nerfed into the ground.
I think looping should expose the survivor and decrease their movement speed for every loop, bring back insta mori the first down as well , these damn survivors are so entitled and think they are the only ones in the game
Nice try, vietfox.
vietfox? No but nice try , I’m actually on your side believe it or not and we’ve played together before , you’re actually pretty good at the game I’m gonna vote all your comments to awesome to show my support , I seriously doubt vietfox would show you any support I just think there needs to be more killer mains on here and I saw the bars on your name and saw a few other people change their name to show support for barred members unjustly so I was doing the same , sorry bud I’ll change my name if you’d like
Actually I just tried to change it and I cant dang I didn’t realize that’s how it worked I’m fairly new sorry @RSB
So what's your real name? And when have we played?
So... how is this multiple personality thing working out for you?
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I had a idea for a doctor change, that went away from the constant screaming and used more of the illusions.DeadByFlashlight said:@Tsulan said:
Shape shifting or mindfucks. Not being able to trust other survivors.Would be awesome, but sadly SWF and voicecomms are a thing
Doctor would sometimes appear as a survivor with terror radius.
Other survivors would sometimes appear as killer to other survivors. Including terror radius.
Illusions would move towards the survivors and try to hit them.
Windows would appear open when they are closed and closed when they are open.
Etc.