Tsulan

Peanits said:

To play Devil's advocate, I can see that causing a lot of dodging on both sides. Don't like the nurse? Dodge. Don't like hillbilly? Dodge. Don't like DS? Dodge. And in the end, there's not a whole lot you can do there anyway. Even if you don't like to play against the nurse you can't just put on your nurse-stopper perk. DS won't go away because you swapped a perk.

At the same time, it would make it possible to hard counter a lot of things. If you're playing the wraith, you're going to have a wild time getting lightburned the whole match. Or if you play trapper, have fun with the saboteurs. Or any stealth killers for that matter, there goes that first surprise attack. Everyone's expecting it.

Maybe I'm just a pessimist, but I can see it doing more harm than good.

I want the dodging to happen during the lobby phase. Not during the match. I have 1 in 10 matches where nobody disconnects.
The disconnects hurt both sides.

in Last second switch Comment by Tsulan December 22, 2018

My_Dude said:

No.

Once you get out of Rank 15 kid you'll understand why.

Okay I guess...
Once you reach rank 1, you'll understand why.

in Last second switch Comment by Tsulan December 22, 2018

KingSavageGaming said:

Tsulan said:

So, why not change the lobby to allow last second adjustments. Let´s say 15 seconds before the match starts, the survivors can see which killer they face and adjust 1 perk for that killer.
And the killer can see 2 perks on survivors, which he chose beforehand. For example, if he says he wants to see if survivors have DS and SB, he would see those survivors highlighted (but can not see which other perks they have, or if they have both perks or only one)

This would reduce our beloved last second switches and ragequits at the start of the match.

What do you think?

Well allowing the survivors to see the killer just give a middle finger to the element of surprise.

Element of surprise usually holds 10 seconds on high ranks. Then the survivors hear the first blink of a nurse or Billy's chainsaw.

in Last second switch Comment by Tsulan December 22, 2018

@fcc2014 said:

@Tsulan said:

Whats worse. Lobby dodging or in game disconnects?

Honestly both suck, but you know as well as anyone how entitled both side are. Disconnects you get points for.

You lose mere seconds in a lobby dodge. But you can lose the whole match, if someone disconnects during that match.

in Last second switch Comment by Tsulan December 21, 2018

@fcc2014 said:

@Tsulan said:
So, why not change the lobby to allow last second adjustments. Let´s say 15 seconds before the match starts, the survivors can see which killer they face and adjust 1 perk for that killer.
And the killer can see 2 perks on survivors, which he chose beforehand. For example, if he says he wants to see if survivors have DS and SB, he would see those survivors highlighted (but can not see which other perks they have, or if they have both perks or only one)

This would reduce our beloved last second switches and ragequits at the start of the match.

What do you think?

because you would have even more lobby dodging on both sides.

Whats worse. Lobby dodging or in game disconnects?

in Last second switch Comment by Tsulan December 21, 2018

@thesuicidefox said:

@The_Crusader said:
And like I said there are plenty of videos out there humiliating bad or inexperienced killers. Noob3 made a name off it.

IF SOMETHING WORKS AGAINST BAD OR INEXPERIENCED PLAYERS THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT AN EXPLOIT

That´s why we need a harder ranking system. Where reaching rank 1 actually means something. Which does not reset every month. The devs could gather information on what´s op and what not. Instead of basing their balance decisions around rank 20 players with less than 10 hours.

in Do you consider walking backwards as Legion an exploit? Comment by Tsulan December 21, 2018

@yeet said:
surveillance is top tier! you guys just don't know how to use it!
and no i'm not going to explain it to you

I use it in my ultra secret Freddy build: Surveilance, Monstrous Shrine, Fire Up and PWYF.

in This happens when your creator team is drunk=>Surveillance Comment by Tsulan December 21, 2018

@Vietfox said:
OrionsFury4789 said:

powerbats said:

I've always said it's should be a 10-15 second lockout timer after which no swapping is allowed so that gives the killer 5-10 seconds depending on which timer is used to choose.

The survivors get locked in and can't last second swap to brighter clothes/ all P3, items etc the killer has time to adjust if they need to. This way lobby dodging by killers because someone on the survivor side want so be cheesy is reduced.

Lobby times go smoother, everyone knows there's no hanky panky going to happen games start=profit.

And what about the ones who simply just leave for any item? You don’t find that cheesy? , I don’t blame them a bit when you’ve been dodged 10 times in a row and that’s the only way to get a game and bring an item if that’s what you want, I’m just pointing out that if a survivor wants to bring an intended item into the game they can’t majority of the time so that’s the only way they can truly get use out of the items they spent bloodpoints for unless you punish the lobby dodgers, the killer shouldn’t be allowed to dictate who they face or what type of game they are about to have by cherry picking noobs with low trophies and no items.

@OrionsFury4789
Pretty much this, yup.
Killer who tends to lobbydodge: "ok, looks like they are solo players now, let's ready up... Wait, 2 flashlights? LEAVE.
When i'm playing with friends and we are lucky enough to not get dodged killer usually equips an ebony mori instead, i find it hilarious 😂

I´ve had matches where 4 survivors all last second switched to 4 flashlights. Then the match didn´t went as they expected and they all disconnected.

The change could reduce that.

in Last second switch Comment by Tsulan December 21, 2018

@powerbats said:

I call you biased, because you call me biased (sucks huh?)

Your personal bias versus my logic I think logic wins and yes i know it sucks when logic beats personal biases.

Thats no personal bias vs logic. I played both sides to rank 1 several times. Played almost exclusivly survivor for 2 months prior to the last event. Survivors killed me more than killers did. Or insulted more. Even before the match started.

Sure, survivors are more. But that´s not an excuse for how toxic survivor mains can be.

in Do you consider walking backwards as Legion an exploit? Comment by Tsulan December 21, 2018

@ShyN3ko said:

@Tsulan said:

@ShyN3ko said:

@Tsulan said:

@ShyN3ko said:

@Dreamnomad said:

@AlwaysInAGoodShape said:

The perk is called Surveillance. Here is a little help as to what the word means since you seem confused.

sur·veil·lance
/sərˈvāləns/
noun
close observation, especially of a suspected spy or criminal.

By it's very definition it is supposed to help the killer find survivors! What you suggested isn't a terrible idea for a perk. It would pair quite well with a buffed version of surveillance. But again, way off on the direction that a perk called surveillance should be.

Now think again. How do you get use of this perk? It's through surveilling a generator. You, the actual you, in order to strike a survivor who dares to touch it.

My suggestion is all about surveillance. The picture fits it even more perfectly since you're actually surveilling it rather then having any type of notification or aura reading while you are all the way in the desert;

close observation, especially of a suspected spy or criminal.

Where-as the old surveillance is just aura reading and has nothing to do with surveilling, my suggestion does the opposite and makes it about actual surveilling and makes it an even more suitable perk for the type of killers to whom it would be appropriate to use:
The pig
The Wraith

Wow, you are really tying yourself up in knots trying to justify this power. Btw, that perk idea would be completely broken on a 3 gen doc. Can you even imagine Doctor with Overcharge, Pop Goes the Weasel and your perk idea? An exposed status tied to working on generators is the only missing piece of the puzzle.

Yeah, on 3 gen doc it would be too strong.
But its better than the current state.

If the doc manages to pull a 3 gen, then the survivors failed hard.

if the killer want use the 3 gen tactic, he can do it.
But yeah you are right, too.

I´ve seen a streamer claiming that a doc was keeping the game hostage. Provided a 1 hour video of the killer trying to defend the gens while downing and hooking. The survivors held the game hostage, because they even spoke about making that doc pay... and even refused to leave at the end.

sigh But they only saw the killer as the bad guy. No wrong in their behavior.

The killer can only hold the hostage, if he bodyblock.
E.g. in the basement.
The survivors holding the hostage, because they didnt make gens.
This can happen, if they repair the wrong gens.
sacrasm active
But yeah, its never the survivors fault.
Only the killer is the evil person, because he play killer.

Shh they´ll call us biased

in This happens when your creator team is drunk=>Surveillance Comment by Tsulan December 21, 2018

@powerbats said:

@Tsulan said:

@powerbats said:

@BACKSTABBER said:

Moonwalk is a legal as 360 is, so it wont be fixed

Wrong since 360 is easily countered which is why 360 isn't considered an exploit this isn't easily countered.

Neither are exploits. Both are just ways to play the game, which the devs haven´t thought about.

Both can be countered.

BTW, nice survivor bias. Calling killer things exploits and survivor things easily counterable.

Nice bias really, is that all you can come up with? The devs have said it's not an intended game mechanic and it CAN'T BE COUNTERED. The 460 is also not an intended game mechanic but IT CAN BE COUNTERED.

Now see the difference both unintended game mechanics, 1 is counterable one isn't thus the one that isn't is an exploit.. Don't you just love logic, it can be your friend if you let it be. 😜

Oh and as I've stated many a time I've been killer these last few months and also I've been defending killers for quite some time like NOED and DH. You know telling people that want them removed to cleanse the totems?

But hey I'm obviously survivor biased because i defend killers from survivors calling for perk removal,but thanks for telling me I'm survivor biased. So if we go by your logic then obviously if I defend survivors I'm killer biased right?

460 OP pls nerf!

When the killer is running backwards. Jump through a pallet or window ffs. Same counter as normal 360s have.
Killer has to adapt. Once he does, it´s called exploid.

I call you biased, because you call me biased (sucks huh?)
But i love you (deep down)

in Do you consider walking backwards as Legion an exploit? Comment by Tsulan December 21, 2018

@ShyN3ko said:

@Tsulan said:

@ShyN3ko said:

@Dreamnomad said:

@AlwaysInAGoodShape said:

The perk is called Surveillance. Here is a little help as to what the word means since you seem confused.

sur·veil·lance
/sərˈvāləns/
noun
close observation, especially of a suspected spy or criminal.

By it's very definition it is supposed to help the killer find survivors! What you suggested isn't a terrible idea for a perk. It would pair quite well with a buffed version of surveillance. But again, way off on the direction that a perk called surveillance should be.

Now think again. How do you get use of this perk? It's through surveilling a generator. You, the actual you, in order to strike a survivor who dares to touch it.

My suggestion is all about surveillance. The picture fits it even more perfectly since you're actually surveilling it rather then having any type of notification or aura reading while you are all the way in the desert;

close observation, especially of a suspected spy or criminal.

Where-as the old surveillance is just aura reading and has nothing to do with surveilling, my suggestion does the opposite and makes it about actual surveilling and makes it an even more suitable perk for the type of killers to whom it would be appropriate to use:
The pig
The Wraith

Wow, you are really tying yourself up in knots trying to justify this power. Btw, that perk idea would be completely broken on a 3 gen doc. Can you even imagine Doctor with Overcharge, Pop Goes the Weasel and your perk idea? An exposed status tied to working on generators is the only missing piece of the puzzle.

Yeah, on 3 gen doc it would be too strong.
But its better than the current state.

If the doc manages to pull a 3 gen, then the survivors failed hard.

if the killer want use the 3 gen tactic, he can do it.
But yeah you are right, too.

I´ve seen a streamer claiming that a doc was keeping the game hostage. Provided a 1 hour video of the killer trying to defend the gens while downing and hooking. The survivors held the game hostage, because they even spoke about making that doc pay... and even refused to leave at the end.

sigh But they only saw the killer as the bad guy. No wrong in their behavior.

in This happens when your creator team is drunk=>Surveillance Comment by Tsulan December 21, 2018

@ShyN3ko said:

@Dreamnomad said:

@AlwaysInAGoodShape said:

The perk is called Surveillance. Here is a little help as to what the word means since you seem confused.

sur·veil·lance
/sərˈvāləns/
noun
close observation, especially of a suspected spy or criminal.

By it's very definition it is supposed to help the killer find survivors! What you suggested isn't a terrible idea for a perk. It would pair quite well with a buffed version of surveillance. But again, way off on the direction that a perk called surveillance should be.

Now think again. How do you get use of this perk? It's through surveilling a generator. You, the actual you, in order to strike a survivor who dares to touch it.

My suggestion is all about surveillance. The picture fits it even more perfectly since you're actually surveilling it rather then having any type of notification or aura reading while you are all the way in the desert;

close observation, especially of a suspected spy or criminal.

Where-as the old surveillance is just aura reading and has nothing to do with surveilling, my suggestion does the opposite and makes it about actual surveilling and makes it an even more suitable perk for the type of killers to whom it would be appropriate to use:
The pig
The Wraith

Wow, you are really tying yourself up in knots trying to justify this power. Btw, that perk idea would be completely broken on a 3 gen doc. Can you even imagine Doctor with Overcharge, Pop Goes the Weasel and your perk idea? An exposed status tied to working on generators is the only missing piece of the puzzle.

Yeah, on 3 gen doc it would be too strong.
But its better than the current state.

If the doc manages to pull a 3 gen, then the survivors failed hard.

in This happens when your creator team is drunk=>Surveillance Comment by Tsulan December 21, 2018

@thesuicidefox said:
DW timer shouldn't go down if you are in a chase OR in the killer's TR. Then this wouldn't be possible.

That said I don't think it's really the optimal way to play the killer and I believe that after some time counter play will emerge, especially if a lot of Legions are doing it. I've seen this many times before, a game comes out or something new is added, someone finds a way to cheese it, everyone cries "BROKEN", 6 months later no one does it because counter play was discovered. Sometimes this stuff takes time. You could have 5k hours and be the best DBD player in the world, doesn't mean you will immediately figure out new features. Come back in like 3 months to see if it's still a problem.

Also the video posted was green ranks, those survivors didn't seem very good.

It will probably get "fixed" by a patch. Not an exploit, but the devs already called it a dumb thing to do. Sooo i imagine that they´ll do something about it. After the holidays.
But i´m curious about the statistics. Since thats the only way to play Legion on a lethal lvl. Those stats would show that he´s in a pretty good spot and therefore only requires the removal of the moonwalk.

in Do you consider walking backwards as Legion an exploit? Comment by Tsulan December 21, 2018

@powerbats said:

@Someissues said:

@powerbats said:

Also if you're depending on bloodlust to catch someone you'e playing poorly at that point since bloodlust is a crutch in the end. If bloodlust pops and you take advantage of it great, if it doesn't pop you play normally.

It's not about depending on Bloodlust, its the fact that you can lose bloodlust when you are right behind them thats just dumb as f. you would absolutely need bloodlust on extremely loopable spots btw

Well unless you lose los you won't lose bloodlust and losing los is the only thing survivors can really do to keep a killer from just nailing them. I would like to see some slight tweaks on bloodlust though perhaps the longer you've maintained it ie stage 2 it takes longer to decay.

This is wrong btw. Bloodlust has been bugged like forever. I can chase someone around a single car on autohaven and lose Bloodlust.

But i think Bloodlust should be completely removed. It was a bandaid to solve the looping issue. But it´s doing a poor job. Non looping survivors get punished and looping survivors don´t get affected by it.

in Do you consider walking backwards as Legion an exploit? Comment by Tsulan December 21, 2018

@powerbats said:

@BACKSTABBER said:

Moonwalk is a legal as 360 is, so it wont be fixed

Wrong since 360 is easily countered which is why 360 isn't considered an exploit this isn't easily countered.

Neither are exploits. Both are just ways to play the game, which the devs haven´t thought about.

Both can be countered.

BTW, nice survivor bias. Calling killer things exploits and survivor things easily counterable.

in Do you consider walking backwards as Legion an exploit? Comment by Tsulan December 21, 2018

TheBean said:

Probably won't see leaderboards or anything until dedicated servers are out.

Then they can take allot more stats per match to make it more accurate.

I personally hope they never put in leaderboards though.. or the tryhards are gonna ruin the game.

We need tryhards. Because they would show the balance flaws.

in How is the new ranking system going? Comment by Tsulan December 20, 2018

powerbats said:

@Tsulan said:
JawsIsTheNextKiller said:

Have BHVR shadownefed in the past? If they don't have a history of doing it, then its probably worth reporting.

Sadly they have a long history of shadow nerfs.

Yes because everything is always done on purpose and not as is often the case an unintended change like they've announced when they fixed things.

You really start to tunnel me?
Just because you think I'm biased?

Meh, the devs probably simply forgot to appoint some changes. But those are still shadow nerfs. Nothing evil behind it. Or malice. Just bad memory. Like when they gave us surveillance. Thinking that a killer could hit 3 gens in 16 seconds...

in I'm the only one who noticed shadownerfs? Comment by Tsulan December 20, 2018

powerbats said:

@Tsulan said:

According to survivor mains, there are more killers than survivors now.

Well lets see there's a new killer that just came out which tends to inflate the killer population for a time before it goes back to the usual population balance. There's also RDR2, Fallout76 etc so since there's more survivors than killer people are playing those.

So you agree with me.
Come on.
Say it.
It's not that hard.