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@Boss said:
You can probably convince them to get old Nightmare back, he was changed mainly for how many people disliked him.
So all you need to do is find a way to show that 51% or more of the playerbase across all platforms excluding mobile think that old Nightmare is more fun than new Nightmare.
Even if Behavior see's that more like Old Freddy, they probably still won't do anything. You'know, cause it's Behavior.
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@glitchboi said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2109751#Comment_2109751
Right back at ya! ♥️
And thank you so much to OP and everyone else!
You're welcome! <3
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@GeneralV said:
To everyone who came here, commented and showed some support:
I love you and I hope you have an amazing day! Lets make our voice heard! Lets get our killer back!
Spread the word: #GiveUsBackOldFreddy
#GiveUsBackOldFreddy! I want to play my old main again!
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@Baby_Victor said:
I already suggested we bring old Freddy with Robert England version of him and let New Freddy stay as melty face...Poetic.
I got into this game because of Freddy and mained him exclusively. I thought this game was fun and easy because of my ignorance and rank. After dominating, I worked up to red ranks, where I was met with a rude reawakening to Freddy and his weaknesses.
It really was very pathetic and sad how easily a knowledgeable survivor could toy with Freddy, specifically when they captured Freddy at gates by continuously waking each other up and never allowing Freddy the chance to hit, mocking, pointing and t-bagging him relentlessly. He could never push them out, only wait or DC.
I ate dirt for months to P3 and max/collect all Perks, research how to play better, looked for strong Freddy builds, experiment and studied the add ons (they vague info always bugged me about DbD). An finally, I was at a level where I could “win” most of games (the 4k) or at least not get completely dominated, even by a organized SWF.
Despite that, I still complained, just like everyone else, because he was obviously confusing and overpowering to the newly initiated but abusable to the average experienced Freddy vrs the Average survivor.
I never expected such a reaction though, they straight up removed Freddy and gave us a new Killer. I tried to get hyped and still main Freddy but he was too different. By then, I could honestly pick up and learn anybody else and have the same experience of learning a new killer, because that’s how different he was.
TL:DR
Bring back Old Freddy~
Exactly, Old Freddy wasn't as good as most other killers, but if played right he could still be strong.
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@Tsulan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2109466#Comment_2109466
Most of the complaints came from people that played against him during the free weekend.
People with less than 10 hours gameplay.
#GiveUsBackOldFreddy
I miss my main so much!
Me too. I just don't think it was fair of Behavior to completely cut Freddy's old power from the game like that and screw over everyone mained and liked him.
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@ClamorVentus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2109562#Comment_2109562
Whatever it is if its resident evil, i want a Birkin skin for Blight.
Yeah Birkin would be my second pick for a Resident Evil killer behind Jack.
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@ClamorVentus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2109537#Comment_2109537
Theres a theory that the uh reworks of coldwind look similar to Resident Evil 7 house
I mean, The Thompson House looks kinda similar, but not by much.
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Resident Evil, preferably the 7th game.
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@BuffySummers said:
If OG Freddy ever returns I’ll definitely be going AFK in all of my matches against him.
Why might I ask?
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@IWasLeft2Die said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2109392#Comment_2109392
Against I think most people would pick old freddy since he wasn't a threat really, not because he was more fun.
Well that's why if there was an option to play as him, he'd be buffed in some way. I think most people would rather play against a buffed version of Old Freddy than Modern Freddy, simply because Modern Freddy is pretty boring.
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@BrokenSouI said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2109392#Comment_2109392
Na. I love new freddy if we're being honest here. To me he's quite fun.
Well that's why I said "most people". It's fine you like Modern Freddy, but that's why I think there should be some sort of way to play as his older version, because many people don't.
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@TAG said:
"Hell, why the devs thought reworking Freddy in the first place was a good idea, I simply do not understand."
Because a TON of people voiced their strong displeasure of Freddy, both Survivor and Killer. This is also why they're not bringing him back.
But there were also a ton of people who did like Old Freddy. And I'm pretty sure most people nowadays would gladly take playing as and against Old Freddy than Modern Freddy.
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@ReverseVelocity said:
Freddy was a fun and interesting killer, who could be pretty strong in the right hands. He was the most unique killer out of the entire roster. Instead of undoing the early panic nerf from release, they just deleted him from the game.
Give us an option to play him again, please.
Exactly, all he needed were some small buffs and QoL changes, and I think he would have been a fine killer. But instead they gave us Mr. Generic Anti-Looper.
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Where is the "Hell Yeah ######### That Map" option?
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Deathslinger just sent her to the ranch.
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I like it overall, though from what I've seen they didn't really fix Cowshed.
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It's not.
Anyone who says it is, is smoking some seriously good #########.
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@VESSEL said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2107502#Comment_2107502
Dude ngl, 'Who's Going To Stop Me Now' is one of my fav songs ever! Close 2nd is 'Rock The World'!
Ah, looks like I've found a fellow Aviators fan!
My favorites are Cities In The Distance, Angles Fall The Farthest, Moonlight, This Is Not The End, and Bones, but honestly I like almost all of their songs.
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I'll do "Cities In The Distance" by Aviators. They make a lot of music on YouTube, and I'm not sure if they put their songs on Spotify. If it isn't on there, I'll take "Emperor's New Clothes" by Panic! At The Disco.
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@Dabihwow said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2106883#Comment_2106883
Well I am thankful for the criticism and I do have @QwQw who is editing it for me. Problem is that I mostly am writing these when I'm at school on a draft her eon the forums, and when I have to go move to a new class, I kinda lose focus a bit on what I was writing beforehand ( also thank you Qw!). I don't leave the symbolic parts out, I tend to give very little to an idea of what these characters are. However Furnace Head design wise, I think its fine, however the thing is Furnace Head isn't an actual monster, I can't tell you exactly what he is, but I can tell you is that some of his physical description is to show this characters' story, also I know what halberd is I chose it be a fire axe to follow along with this character symbolism, originally he was supposed to wear a fireman helmet ( which I might allow, at some point), but I felt it would've been way to obvious for what this character was.
Thanks! And by the way, sorry for kind of taking a break from editing. Recently with school starting back up for me, my life's been a bit busier than before.
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In Billy's lore, he was held captive and abused by his parents in that brick shack, I doubt there's anything in there, but maybe Nurse can blink in there and see.
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I miss Old Freddy so much.
I just want my boy back.
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@Dabihwow said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2105660#Comment_2105660
We better hope to god its the next chapter
I'm pretty confident we'll get RE eventually, but yeah all we can do is hope that Jack is the killer for said chapter.
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@JesseJH28 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2052080#Comment_2052080
Give me this chapter right now.
All we can do is hope that we get Jack as a killer.
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They suck and are unnecessary.
The problem with Freddy wasn't that he was strong, it's that he was strong and boring.
The devs should have made Freddy's power more skillful and fun for both sides, but instead they nerfed him.
They also completely butchered his add-on's. Then again, after seeing what they did to Demo's I'm not really surprised.
Not to mention, they didn't give us a way to play as Old Freddy.
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+1
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I look forward to working with you.
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I doubt it will do nothing, but I also don't think it'll hit him too hard.
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Who's gonna tell OP that moonlight is just reflected sunlight?
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I hate to break it to you, but these nerfs do not "Fix" Freddy in the slightest. If anything, it proves the devs' ignorance to his actual problems.
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"jUsT BAiT iT oUt LoL"
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They're the weakest thing about him, I don't see why they were changed.
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@glitchboi said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2103971#Comment_2103971
Yeah, I hope we'll be able to see him again someday. I know he was weak but there were many things about him I loved that other killers didn't have.
That's why so many people liked him despite him not being the best; it's because he was unique, there was no other killer like him. Nowadays we got Mr. Generic Anti-Looper.
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@Spill said:
Who is this guy? What didgeridoo is he smoking?
Freddy's anti-looping isn't what makes him powerful. It is his objective and map pressure with teleporting.
Fredrick Kruger is the 1 killer who has MULTIPLE abilities.
He is partly invisible when awake.
He has a natural Borrowed Time defense when survivors are asleep.
He can fake pressure people off of gens.
He can travel the map in seconds.
He can waste time by making players travel to an alarm clock.
If you ever watch him move, he travels very fast with a deceptively slow walk animation
The knives on his model don't match his attack distance so he gets hits when players think they are safe.
His teleport wasn't changed which should be his main ability. He can't have 2 strong main abilities. Hence the nerf
"Fredrick is the 1 killer who has killer who has MULTIPLE abilities."
Doctor has entered the chat
Pyramid Head has entered the chat
Pig has entered the chat
Plague has entered the chat
Clown has entered that chat
Charlotte and Victor have entered that chat
Demo has entered the chat
Seriously dude, did you just count Freddy's walking and lunge animations as an "Ability"?
Freddy's anti-looping IS what makes him strong. If you think I'm wrong, try playing Freddy with that ######### meme add-on he has that makes his snares have like no slow down, and you'll see how rough it is playing with only a teleport.
Correction; Freddy CAN have multiple strong ability's, the problem with him is that it takes little skill to use them.
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@GeneralV said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2103917#Comment_2103917
We will never know, my friend. Unfortunately, we will never know.
The devs are interesting. The one time they didn't need to go above and beyond with something, is of course the one time they actually did.
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@RiskyKara said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2103912#Comment_2103912
I'll look forward to that day with my screenshot key at the ready.
I wasn't fast enough :(
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@GeneralV said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2103891#Comment_2103891
Current Freddy would probably be stronger than him, but I doubt he would be a low tier killer. Especially with a 8 metres Terror Radius. Such sweet aura reading!
And he was a mean slugger. That is actually one of the main reasons for the nerf: the chapter released was eventually followed by a free weekend, so new and inexperienced players were getting slugged by Freddy all the time. Imagine the negative reviews...
Jesus Christ, why didn't the devs just revert this nerf? Instead they gave Freddy an entire rework, when all they needed to do was go back and edit some of these numbers.
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@RiskyKara said:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/EIZR1HX3Z8FX/vlcsnap-2021-04-12-19h24m58s884.png
BHVR was afraid of giving us any Pyramid Daddy cake but this is just as delightful too.
I actually had this skirt glitch happen during Spirits mori. Jesus that was an eyeful.
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@gfed said:
i know with the upcoming change with Freddy on 4.7.0, he’s getting small nerfs. On the note of using his snares and pallets separately, why not implement both into his base kit? The way to do this is holding M2 for snares while tapping once for fake pallet placement. Each use will cost a Dream token of his Dream Trap base kit power, that way Freddy players aren’t decisive between snares or pallets. Anyhow, I hope this suggestion sounds interesting at all for those who enjoy Freddy. I’m open for thoughts or opinions.
I'd actually be down for this. Dream Pallets aren't even really that good anyway, so I don't see the harm in adding them to his basekit.
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@GeneralV said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2103788#Comment_2103788
As for the movie, I agree with everything you've said, especially with number 1. Making him an innocent man would be such a good twist for the story, and it would give him a very powerful desire for revenge, which could be explored in many different ways. And I was pissed that they removed his daughter from the story. I just really like Katherine Krueger.
Back to DBD, take a look at his first nerf:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/YZ8KLZPB55Q3/image.png
And I agree, all he needed were a few buffs and QoL changes, not a full rework. Maybe one day we will have the opportunity to play as Old Freddy again. That is what I truly want.
Hell if he was still around, I'd wonder how strong he'd be if the devs were to revert that first nerf.
Honestly I think he'd actually be pretty good. If you ran M&A on him, you'd only have an eight meter terror radius. People think Deathslinger with M&A is scary, imagine a killer who has an even smaller terror radius than that, AND can see if you're outside of it.
Not to mention, survivors no longer waking up when you heal them from the dying state would make Freddy one mean ass slugger.
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Damn, got me with the title.
I think Whispers is a really good perk on him. The moment it procs, you can Static Blast and find where the survivor is hiding.
I also run Save on him, since it helps with his already pretty good chase game.
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@Huge_Bush said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2103788#Comment_2103788
I actually enjoyed the remake too but your suggestions would have made it much better! Practical effects will always be better than heavy CGI.
I'm glad you liked my suggestions! Exactly, CGI can work, but not when it's overused and solely relied upon.
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@Gamergirl69OWO said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKhG_JS0_4M&t=238s
Idk his points are kind of weird and don't make too much sense to me
Ah, @Dabihwow recommended me this video in his thread about RE in dbd.
Honestly it makes perfect sense to me. Nemesis and Mr. X are just big walking slabs of meat, they might as well be robots considering their one goal (If You Can Call It That) is to do ######### for Umbrella. Not to mention their pure size alone would make implementing them a pretty hard task.
I think it would be the best of both worlds if the devs embraced the roots of RE by adding Chris and Jill as survivors, but also it's modernity by making Jack the killer.
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@GeneralV said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2103621#Comment_2103621
It truly is.
First of all, I actually enjoyed the Remake. The only things that I didn't like were: the fact that they changed his crimes and removed his daughter from the story.
The unnecessary nerf after a week was before time, as I only entered the Fog a year later. And I enjoyed playing as Old Freddy until his rework, which I was never supportive of. All I wanted were a few buffs an QoL adjustments.
And now his new power, which is not nearly as fun as his old one, is getting nerfed. It is not easy to be a Freddy main.
I actually agree. I know I called the remake #########, but I didn't outright despise it like many others did. I just wish the producers did some things differently.
- Make Freddy actually innocent. The movie kind of sets this up as a "What If?" but then completely goes back on it and makes Freddy evil. Honestly I think it would have been a cool plot twist if Freddy actually was innocent, and was wrongly accused.
- Kill off Nancy and make Quentin the main character. Quentin was actually one of my favorite parts of the film, because he helped breath some life into it. Similar to point number 1, I think it would have made an interesting plot twist if Freddy actually succeeded in killing Nancy off half way through the movie, and it was left up to Quentin to fight Freddy.
- For gods sake, get rid of the awful CGI. Amazing practical effects have always been a staple of A Nightmare On Elm Street, and seeing the movie have a ######### ton of crappy looking blood and other effects like the classic shot of Freddy pressing his face through Nancy's wall really breaks the immersion.
Obviously a lot of this goes against the og film, but honestly imo that's would have made it enjoyable. I hate remakes of classic movies because they always feel like crappier versions of the originals. That's part of the reason why I like the Friday The 13th remake because it completely changed Jason from being a slow lumbering guy in a mask, to a fast agile hunter. There are still a lot of other things wrong with the movie, but at least it tried (And Succeeded In My Opinion) in adding it's own twist to Jason. I really wish they would have done that with Freddy too.
Back to dbd, I also wasn't around for Freddy's release, so I don't know what the actual nerf was, but I'm pretty sure it was just basic number tweaks to parts of his power.
And honestly, I just don't think reworks will work in dbd. Regardless of how many people say _____ killer sucks, there are always going to be people who enjoy playing them, and will be mad that their mains power is getting completely scrapped. And in case of Freddy, the rework backfired insanely hard and he became one of the most hated killers in the game, as well as pissing of the Old Freddy mains. I really just wish they would have just given him some small buffs and QoL changes instead of flying off the handle and erasing his power entirely.
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@Chappy01 said:
they still didn't nerf freddy's lunge so he is still the best m1 killer in the game.
Freddy's lunge is literally the exact same as every other killers.
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@GeneralV said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2103080#Comment_2103080
I feel sorry for you, my friend, judging by your playstyle you would have loved Old Freddy. He wasn't the strongest among killers, but he was extremely fun to play as!
I would do anything to play him again, and I was actually expecting this to be the previously announced change. And what did I get? An unnecessary and weird nerf. It feels bad.
It's truly a shame what happened to Freddy.
Firstly they couldn't even get the good Freddy. No, instead we got shafted with ######### 2010 remake Freddy that almost no one liked.
Then he got an unnecessary nerf a week after he came out.
Then he became a laughing stock amongst the community as the worst killer in the game for years.
Then when he finally got buffed, people bitched and moaned that he was op and brainless, and Freddy quickly became hated by the community.
And lastly here we are now. The devs squandered their chance to make Freddy a fun interactive killer for both sides, and instead went with the lazy option of just giving him a quick nerf and calling it a day. And they couldn't even give us an option to play the older version of him.
Like goddamn, Kruger just can't catch a break.
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######### you and I hope you have a fantastic day.