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@Deathstroke said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/336831/games-are-so-easy-now-theyre-not-fun-anymore
I think some killers should get nerfs probably but yeah like you said when killer is losing or the game is close he can easily tunnel one out. Played 2 matches so far with 3 man swf we beat legion who was playing very fair and all escaped but everyone was on death hook expect the solo. Other match we played pretty well get 4 gens done but the scream targeted one of my friend more and got him pretty quickly out and we could not complete the last gen.
Just had good soloQ game agains't bubba unfortunately we could not save feng. Mybsolo mates had chance when bubba carried me but they were too afraid.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/1OLXYXFW5DJF/20220724-140033.jpg
Those sound like perfectly normal games, save for the tunneling ghostie. Why should killers be nerfed? Why can't survivors be the ones to have to adjust for a change?
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@Malkraz said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3087218#Comment_3087218
Name a single time this favor was ever given to killer players over the past 6 years.
Maybe because the community is so very, very not used to it but one killer favorable patch and survivors are coming completely unglued. How many times have we received a patch that isn't completely survivor sided? I've been playing since 2018. A three-toed sloth could count that on one hand.
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@Coder said:
I rarely post on these forums and I know it will sound like a survivor main bait, but it's not. I'm DESTROYING people at 4 gens with plague, wraith, myers, bubba... it's ridiculous. Plague get the best part since I'm running corrupt, pain resonance and thana (I know, disgusting). Sure, if I get some 4 man comp SWF they COULD win, but solos? there's virtually nothing they can do. And even if I'm losing I just go to "tunnel mode" and win anyway.
Also, if only a 4 man comp SWF on Discord can win against a Plague, the balance of your game is broken.
And as solo Q player, I just don't care anymore, I just try to farm as much bloodpoints as I can, finish my challenge and die/leave, but if the killer is half decent and has regression it's a long battle uphill.
The game "as is" is not right, I'm not saying it should be reverted, but now killers have a decent chance against SWFs, but maybe buff solo Q?
Maybe don't go into "tunnel mode"?. I am beginning to wonder all these complaints of camping and tunneling killers? How many of these killers are actually moonlighting survivors who don't know how to actually play the role? Just a thought. You said solo queue survivors have a "long uphill battle" if the killer is decent. You also said as a solo q player you don't care anymore and don't even bother to try.
Don't you see the problem here?
All it takes is one player with your attitude to sink the entire team. You say you keep getting easy 4ks. How many of those games included someone with your outlook who dc'ed or killed themselves on hook?
See what I mean?
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@CyberRoninX said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3086326#Comment_3086326
yes because then the devs will have correct numbers to look at.
There have always been killers that let the last survivor go, or farm after a really good exciting match. I know because I'm one of them and I've been playing since before clown. You come off like you want killers to tryhard every match with no mercy so you can then say kill rates are inflated. Thats some fisher price level psychology, man. I'll show mercy if I feel like it. You really, REALLY want those killer nerfs don't you?
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@CyberRoninX said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3084483#Comment_3084483
I just had a killer let my whole squad leave the match its got to be more than that.
Maybe the killer felt bad about the ongoing bloodbath in mid/lower ranks?
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@CyberRoninX said:
Killers that keep letting survivors win are doing nothing but messing with the numbers. When killers do this they just pad the metric that the devs are looking at to decide how to buff or nerf things. I personally will waste a killers time instead of them allowing me to escape.
I dunno man. I just came off a LONG losing streak as survivor. Everyone is still adjusting to all the changes from the new patch and i felt bad. I still have lots of flans on my artist so I loaded some up and had a few games where I double hooked and let everyone farm and leave. It felt nice and the survivors sure did seem to appreciate it.
Must we always tryhard?
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@Sluzzy said:
It should be obvious by now that the last patch broke the game. Survivors, especially solo survivors, have no chance of winning against a buffed killer across the board. Matches I have witnessed survivors have stopped trying. Nothing was done to help the survivors in this patch, while massively buffing killers. After watching an hour of streaming this morning to get a little atmosphere of the climate of the game. Killer streamers waiting in long queues and steamrolling every single match. It was so boring watching killers 4K every match. Not sure how they had a thousand watching but they did.
Survivor perks are not working. OTR is being countered by hitting someone off the hook. Perks are too weak or not working.
Killer queues have crashed because so few wants to play in an unfun and unbalanced match.
I think they thought this patch would work because they listen to only killer mains and streamers. Unfortunately, this very small loud minority is not how the game should be played or who it should be balanced for.
Your whole shtick got stale years ago man. Aren't you a nurse main? There's a difference between satire and plain instigation.
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3076025#Comment_3076025
Not true. I didn't use dead hard and solo q is still garbage. You people need to stop being obsessed with dead hard.
It has always amazed me how apparently no survivor on the forums used dead hard. I guess the 3/4 of survivors who were running it just don't post here.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
And funnily enough responding to people on the forums while doing a gen still doesn't fix the issue that gens are ######### boring
Yes. Yes they are.But they're ultimately required to actually live through the trial. I gave up on playing survivor tonight because I was tired of being sacrificed in matches that clearly should have been escapes. Because my teammates behaved as though the gens were full of whale poop.
Just last week survivors LOVED❤️ gens, couldn't get enough of them. Is an extra 10 seconds per gen that much of a dealbreaker?
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@ashtonisfarout said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3084839#Comment_3084839
It's not about winning or losing. It's about sending a message. And it will be received, you'll see. Most of the survivors that are suffering understand this.
Well, I can confirm you are indeed far out. I realize this patch was better for killers than survivors but bruh, you sound like Heath Ledgers Joker right now😳. Maybe try actually playing the game? Adjusting to the changes and building a new meta as opposed to going full blown anarchist?
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@Sluzzy said:
I predicted that. That's what happens when one side is spoon-fed and the other side is over-nerfed. The fun things nerfed and removed, and leaving everything and buffing everything for killers.
I know you're a troll man but the irony in that post is really sickening.
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@ashtonisfarout said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3082578#Comment_3082578
There's no point now, and the devs need to see that. I'd like to say they'll learn, but I don't think so. You can't learn if you don't play your own game.
So there's no point to playing the game, but you keep queuing up anyway and throwing games others might want to actually win? What do you think you're proving?
Honestly I wish survivors would be real and just say it.
"We want dead hard back!"
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@wiccan said:
Playing survivor for a lot of people rn is just simply not fun. Killers like legion who can extend the game for 20-30 minutes by forcing people to mend for half the game or sit on gens for 3-5 minutes suck the enjoyment out of the game. Tunneling and camping has also gotten exponentially easier. I know this to be true not just because I experience it constantly but because I do it myself. It makes the game easy. I hardly ever have to try on any killer if I just tunnel one person out or camp someone out with deadlock. I don’t blame people for taking advantage of strategies and I don’t blame survivors for wanting to give up. I blame the developers for claiming a patch was supposed to help decrease these things and instead promoting it with increased Gen times and the DS nerf.
Maybe don't camp or tunnel? I dunno man people will play how they want but HybridPandas vids brought me to this game in the first place and he always emphasized playing fair. I don't camp or tunnel under most circumstances and believe me you become a much better killer without resorting to scummy tactics. Especially now with so many perk changes people are trying to find a new groove and you're camping and tunneling bro, why?
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@Aven_Fallen said:
Because for some reason Killers who failed all game and camp during Endgame think they deserve the pity Kill.
My goodness😯
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@Pearce36 said:
Being the last survivor alive when the killer closes the hatch how can i have a chance of escaping out the exit gate if i go to open the gate and the switch gets and stays blocked then leaves me no extra time to open it so the times runs out and i die or the killer gets me this happened a bunch of times now pretty annoying
If the killer is running No Way Out and closes the hatch on you and you don't have a key you're in a pretty bad spot. About all you can do is hide wait out the 60 second nwo and hope. Or even better, don't let yourself get in that position in the first place.
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When I play survivor I like playing against killers like Dredge, Clown, Nurse(honestly I play her a lot so I know how to counter her), Trapper for the paranoia and rare killers like Hag and Twins.
But let's be honest which killers do survivors like going against? Bad ones. So they can win.
I mean real talk that's the way I feel lots of the time I play survivor and see it's like a baby Nurse or something.
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@ich_häng_mal_rum said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3083141#Comment_3083141
wow, that’s cute. You really think this perks are equal?
To use overcome you need the stun and this mostly work only against m1 killer.
with dh you don’t have to drop the pallet and can go for another loop. Dh was used to avoid hits from killer powers like nurse, huntress (hitboxes!!), Pyramidhead, blight and so on.
You have overcome confused with smash hit.
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@Tsulan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3084465#Comment_3084465
But now it's off the charts. My teammates simply refuse to play.
2 days ago. Match against Nemesis on the temple of purgation map. I opened a chest, repaired a complete gen solo, got 2 unhooks, 1 chase and 3 heals before the rest of the team completed their first gen.
It's ridiculous!
During the event, survivors were glued to gens and now they are allergic to them?
I'm so glad it's not just me. Well, glad probably isn't the right word but I was starting to think I was losing my marbles🤪. Where are all the players that were stomping me as killer like a week ago? I sure could use you on my team now and I don't think ten extra secs of gen time will make a difference.
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@NerfedFreddy said:
Brooooo you're so toxic why aren't you excited to hold m1 for the next 20 minutes against my thana overcharge pain resonance legion?!
Okay so once again.......
I, at the moment, am playing survivor.
And I'd like to escape and rank up on occasion. But I can't do all 5 gens by myself, can I?
Not easy to pip when someone dc's or kills themself on hook 30 seconds into the match either.
Pre-patch, when I would play killer survivors would go HARD on gens and force me to bounce around to keep up pressure. That has now completely stopped.
Why? Don't tell me an extra ten seconds makes THAT much of a difference.
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@masterellik said:
I love your comments, you really think survivors are communicating together all around the world to make the kill increase ??? ahahahahahaha
It's just every survivors understands that gens are too long to do... that this update is desperating everyone. When one survivors dies before the 3rd generator is done, the game is already over....
It's just natural reaction when you face a situation in which you know you can't do anything no matter how strong you could be. So survivors just kill themself to begin a new game etc.
Challenge with the new update has completely disappeared and no one is ever motivated to play the game correctly. You will see there will be less and less survivors from now on and the game will be closed like friday the 13th game on steam with only killers playing and no survivors.
The biggest community of this game are survivors because 4 vs 1. If they dont wanna play.... the game is over and it actually is. I dont play anymore because every game has nothing serious like before.
You actually think the match is lost if a survivor is sacrificed before there's only 2 gens left?
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I actually think we're getting to the root of the problem here. Gens are too long to do? 10 seconds. The time it takes to pick up a mug, take a sip of coffee, and put it back down.
Guys yes the game is more challenging for survivors now. But just because it's no longer a complete cakewalk lots of you are going to give up completely?
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@Plsfix369 said:
If you think Survivors are throwing just to increase killer's kill rate then you have gone and lost it, I've been trying to make my fun builds to work during the past few days and its sad to say, Nothing but except a few Meta build seems to work, since the Gen repair have increased not having looping/anti tunneling perks seems to get me killed faster. and I've been running Head-on and Deception long before DH got nerfed.
We're just trying to survive here, don't blame us with your weird conspiracy theory BS.
TLDR; Longer gens repair + Fun survivor perks = Death
Ten seconds my guy. If that ends up making a difference chances are you weren't going to pop that gen anyway. And you've but to read the comments above to see my point. Pre-patch as killer, I was so used to having one or even two gens pop during my first chase it didn't even faze me. Now, playing as survivor, you'd think if I'm first to be chased and take the killer on a decent run I'd see the same thing ten seconds later, right? Nope. Because in the face of an actual challenge lots of survivors decided to keep queuing for games, but not actually try. Sucks when I'm trying to rank up as survivor.
I agree the DS stun reduction was stupid. But all the other looping perks are still there. Save one. And even though lots of people won't admit it that's a huge part of this "I'm not trying" problem.
And again not so much a grand conspiracy(barring the glaring exceptions noted above). More like a groupthink/defeatist sort of thing. "I can't win without DH, why even try?", or "No one else is doing gens, why should I?".
And honestly? I don't care if you have that attitude. But stay out of my survivor games would you? I'd actually like to win.
Cheers
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@Gladonos said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/336417/survivors-are-literally-throwing-games
Seriously? You think survivors are conspiring by throwing games in order to get Dead Hard reverted? Killer mains never cease to amaze me.
No, you are just playing on ez mode now so you are convinced you are amazing.
Bro I'm playing survivor atm.😑
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@WeaverReaver42 said:
Alot of people have been implying that it's silly to imagine that this is deliberate. I am more inclined to believe it when my second game as survivor had all 3 of my allies kill themselves on hook (well two- but that was only because I made DANG sure the other guy was staying in the match with me. If he wants to screw over the match, he can stay till the end.)
Not far fetched at all. Remember the nerf Spirit dc-athon? Even streamers were on that train. The nerf nurse echo chamber when she still has the lowest kill rates in the game? I'm not suggesting a grand conspiracy, but I do think we are seeing a combination of herd mentality and salty groupthink.
@MandyTalk please don't take my word for it. Play some survivor. Try to win.
Don't let the balance team fall for this b******t.
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@Seanzu said:
Lmao there's always some type of killer conspiracy around survivors inflating kill rates or whatever it's actually mind boggling.
Killer let me go last match therefore he is artificially inflating escape rates and it needs to stop! 😂
Have you played survivor recently? Even my survivor games where the killer WASN'T RUNNING SLOWDOWNS there were two of us doing gens max all game, and on average two survivors who said idgaf from jump
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@Hibagon said:
I played a match as killer where the only slowdown i ran was corrupt intervention. I chased and hooked two survivors over the course of about 3 mins without ever even seeing the other 2 survivors. No gens done. Just before the patch that would have been two gens gone easily. Its like people have just decided they dont want to do gens anymore.
Which was my original point and reason for making this thread. Part of the reason I switched over to survivor after a day of mostly wins as killer was to see what the deal was(and finally unlock some survivor perks). No one is even trying to do gens, they're throwing. Which if you actually want to play some survivor is terribly frustrating. Pre-patch as killer at least one gen would pop during my first chase. Gens now take ten seconds longer which means......at least one gen should pop during the killers first chase. Right?
All day playing as survivor If I got found first and took the killer on a chase that lasted over a minute? No gens. None. When it would have easily been a two or three gen pop were I playing killer.
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@TragicSolitude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3082534#Comment_3082534
I've stopped doing gens because ever since the update none of my teammates do gens. What's the point? It earns crap for BP. I go around the map and cleanse totems and search chests until I die. I don't like doing 3 gens by myself just to die first and get almost no BP; you do gens to escape, but escape is impossible when no one else is doing gens, so it's just a waste of time.
Why did all my random teammates stop doing gens? I dunno. I've always had a problem with survivors crouching around the edges of the map and hiding in lockers instead of participating, but since the update I'm also having matches where people do nothing but swarm the killer and sandbag teammates. Once I got the new Tome Challenges done I completely stopped playing survivor because solo queue is miserable, I'm not freakin' putting myself through that with no BP incentive.
This. Exactly this. Just had another game vs Trickster 2 gens done 1 hooked then someone dc'ed. That game was winnable. All it takes is ONE person with your mentality to torpedo an entire team if you just want bps play killer at least you won't ruin the game for three others
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@thisisntmax said:
I've always died regardless of the game to stay in low MMR and inflate kill rates, since that's all anyone cares about. Though I mainly play killer now, so I'll be killing everyone and not getting two hooks and letting people go like I usually do.
You played just to inflate kill rates? Am I reading that right? Bro, why?
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@Moxie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3082514#Comment_3082514
Glad you asked:
-Thana needs a rework. NOT. A. NERF. It needs to be valuable to all Killers who cannot guarantee 4 injured survivors like Plague/Legion/Nurse.
-DS stun looked at. 3 Seconds would be fine if the survivor animation off the shoulder didn't take up 1 of those seconds.
-Many Killer "slow down" mechanics need slight adjusting. Legion would not be so overly oppressive if mending didn't take 12 seconds EACH. They adjusted other perks to compensate increased Killer action speed so unsure why these weren't adjusted either.
-Pain Res needs a cooldown or adjustment. You can add more scourge hooks around the map as compensation or even a slightly larger regress. Being able to camp a hooked survivor AND regress distant generators should not be a thing.
At the risk of sounding like a survivor main, I cannot think of any super overpowered Survivor perks that haven't already been gutted.
Open to all thoughts.
I honestly think Thanas effect is more psychological then impactful in game. It's rare as killer for it to give me that extra bit of time to stop a gen from popping.
I actually agree about the ds stun.
Legion is annoying sure. But his counterplay hasn't changed in years stay injured rush gens he's hardly oppressive even with slowdowns. He's one of the only killers I 4 outed since the patch dropped.
Pain res? It's ok, I mean it's a strong perk but especially after the nerf I think it's in a good spot. Killers are going to have strong perks, just like survivors. That doesn't mean the best killer perks should be auto nerfed
The biggest problem with solo q imo? Lack of teamwork. It's a 4 v 1 game. Survivors have had years of basically being able to solo the killer. Now if you don't rescue teammates work gens whenever possible heal injured teammates stealth when possible run the killer for at least 30 seconds when found? Chances are that's a loss. And that's what's driving me crazy about these survivor games I play enough killer to know we COULD HAVE won!
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@NekoGamerX said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3082514#Comment_3082514
I want killer stop camping and tunneling at 5 gens maybe basekit kindred or up the basekit BT not sure.
also give survivors and killers basekit BP bonus like we use to get from perks BBQ&C and WGTLF.
I'll be happy
Maybe it's because my survivor mmr is lower, but playing all day yesterday I had 2 tunneling killers. Folks who main survivor tend to have a pretty broad definition of those two words. As to the other matches I lost, no the killer didn't camp or tunnel. They didn't have to. I just died on first hook going to rescue a guy(who ended up dying on first hook) because two of our team just loaded into a game they didn't want to play. It's infuriating hanging on hook seeing Claudette having a siesta in the killer shack and Jake apparently preparing a bubble bath in Garden of Joy main house. I get it's going to take a while for survivors to adjust to this patch so when I switch back to killer I slow my roll a bit but as for my survivor games can you guys stop being babies
JUST TRY PLEASE
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@MaudetteClorel said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/336417/survivors-are-literally-throwing-games
To be fair, I'm still trying my best even if I'm playing with 3 other solos.
But taken a game I had today against Legion with thana, hex plaything, hex pentimento and scourge gift of pain... If there was an option to give up I would've done that. Because all my teammates did was healing and breaking totems even though after the first pentimento stack they KNEW it was in the game (and 2 of us had a boon, so we could've played around that).
This game went on for a solid 46 minutes, do you honestly think I will still be trying if all of us are dead (and we all died) after the 3rd gen popped 40 minutes into the game? Not to mention that I was pretty much the only one who was still trying to do gens while the other 2 Mikaelas were busy giving the legion more pentimento stacks.
That's my whole point. Before this you could pretty much count on at least one survivor being on a gen at all times.
So what happened? It's not like it's impossible to win as survivor you just have to actually, y'know, try
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Honest question man what exactly do you want changed?
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@EternalSinOfCain said:
Been seeing this a lot myself. Their DH doesn't work, they kill themselves on hook.
I was playing Nemesis and literally had a Jake and a Nancy just run up to me. So I downed the Jake, and hooked him. Nancy flashlight clicked at me and I started to chase her... Jake kills himself on hook. I down the Nancy, hook her, she does the same. After the match I asked What the hell was going on, the Jake said "Perks are worthless, can't do ######### anyway. Maybe if we make the game look bad enough, the devs will actually fix this bullshit update."
So yeah... Survivors actually are throwing just to inflate the kill rates. It's kind of pathetic to see really.
I just had a 4 out vs a huntress but two of my teammates were ttv so they actually tried.
@MandyTalk please don't let the devs or balance team fall for this it's the most crass form of manipulation.
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@fulltonon said:
Maybe they are trying to increase kill rates at this point.
That is honestly what I think. I'm a killer main not the greatest survivor but ok. I should not be topping the board with 3 p10 teammates. It's like when survivors and streamers dc'ed against Spirit en masse till she was nerfed, a combination of coordinated manipulative effort and giant baby tantrum.
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@Lost_Boy said:
What and face SWF like 90% of games lol. I initially thought xplay was unfair, but I'm glad it exists now. Playing against the same SWFs on Xbox all the time is boring & console survivors are toxic asf
I'd rather face nonstop swfs then nonstop hackers
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@Junylar said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2634716#Comment_2634716
Sure they might be reworked, but not before NOED gets reworked.
Bro after the past few patches the noed complaints sound hollow af. If you can't work around noed with the resources survivors have in 2021 its a you thing sorry
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I'm not exaggerating when I say I got enough hits to win that game close to 3 times😡 They sucked. But, get a hit, injured survivor runs to a part of the map with no gens. If I commit, boons on one side of the map are instantly relighted and gens start being worked. Drop the chase, they instaheal from the boon on the OTHER side of the map and come right back.
The balance team at BHVR if they are gamers should be ashamed of themselves
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Sending toxic survivors a screenshot of their own mangled corpse, especially after a mori:)
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I main killer on ps4, when I'm feeling masochistic. I've never waited more than 2 minutes for a game. Be it 5 when I get off work or 2 in the morning if I can't sleep. Why do you suppose that is?
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@Morfedel don't feel too bad man this game was fun the first year even with swf then OchiDo and noob3 came along and taught survivors how to be as disgusting as possible. They actively try to humiliate the killer and because of swf and the dev's favoring survivors this game isn't survival horror any more it's basically Scooby-Doo
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:killer main waits patiently for survivor mains to draw the obvious conclusion: