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I'm not against Chucky being in the game.
I'm just worried about the hooking situation. The hook dropping into the crown for Chucky to impale the survivor would be neat or voodoo.
I even had the thought that since he isn't carrying a survivor but more or less dragging them, flashlight saving would be... how you say... different? They're free, but they're still on the ground dying
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Why not ALL FREE PERKS?
Why does this post primarily focus on Spine Chill? I want your take on this OP.
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I actually like all the perks minus two.
Spine Chill and Dead Hard.
Are they OP? No, they're just... one's just a full on free second chance perk that has this pick rate because Decisive was nerfed and Bhvr knows survivors will riot if they nerf Dead Hard. So... kinda gets annoying...
Spine Chill for the free speedy progression
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@WexlerWendigo said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2373286#Comment_2373286
Nope I meant that it should be a instantly unlocked to use as one of the 4 perk slots, not as base kit lol
Okay, if that's the case. Then why not all free perks just be done like that?
Hope, Resilience, Spine Chill, Premonition, Whispers, Sloppy, etc? That would lessen the grind a bit and help newer players right away
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Don't worry about it OP, a lot of people struggle against her. She is very strong
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2373290#Comment_2373290
fragrant tuft of hair, j.myers memorial, monitor and abuse, corrupt intervention, you can get it fairly easily at 5 or 4 gens, and then they can't really do anything. Especially considering the lunge increase as well as being permanently one hit.
What? Yeah, I still don't get stuff like that, when I go against survivors in high ranks they book it, I shot gun stalk a survivor and they will get their gens done fast anyway.
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I actually throughly enjoy blindness a lot.
But, by itself and in addons, no... not worth it the slightest. 60 seconds is too little and permanently is incredibly strong.
Though... experiences may vary.
But. When I use the third seal, I actually seem to be doing alright. I even had some survivors second hook on their first hook because no one can find them
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@[Deleted User] said:
I think it is kind of overpowered. Permanent exposed does not feel fair. Only reason i don't use it is because it ends matches too quickly and i get little score.
I.. how? It takes awhile for it to build up, how do you end matches "too quickly"
Even then I still don't think that's too quickly, the same can be said about Plague. Same exact stats and no one is cleansing. Yet, it's still kinda difficult.
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@Konnor24 said:
If this actually came into play, devs would have to impliment something for killers to know where survs are. So Whispers would be available to every killer? Im sure some survivors would love that... Or better yet, for all the utterly stressful games ive had when im a killer, DBD should pay for my medical bills if i ever get high blood pressure.
Im sorry but SC is a very easy perk to get, and it just seems like you're asking for a free 5th perk.
I was thinking. "No, I think they just mean it's automatically unlocked, but you still have to equip it" then I read the comment.
Yeah no. Uh uh.
I don't think having a perma perk that automatically gives you a bonus progression should be base. That's way too strong. If that's the case Killers should get brutal or mini ruin base kit and I absolutely know no survivors are lining up for those changes.
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I politely disagree about the statement @Zeus had about Franklin's never being a nerf.
It was a nerf at first, maybe unintentionally, but still a nerf because it couldn't counter keys anymore. Which was a rather huge hot button issue. We were able to counter keys, all was well. Sure, super situational, but hey. At least we always have a passive counter to keys.
Update rolls out
Surprise! Everything will be consumed minus keys, vaccines, and flashbangs. That's what set everyone off and by all accounts comparing those two versions. Yes, it was definitely nerfed.
But, now with the recent key change, I'd say it's just about the same now. Depends on how you see it, but I truly see it as the same thing. But, now built to last might be able to counter this (unless someone wants to correct me) that's the only difference.
But, yeah. I think it's the same.
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@Phasmamain said:
I’d love an SWF nerf the issue is that I don’t know how to. You can’t just punish people for playing with their friends.
ATM I’d say just give killers more rewards for killing even 1 or 2 of them as opposed to 4king
I'd love it too, but you're physically unable to unless you want to make it a maximum of two. But that would make swf players riot
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Why did I read the title as Pantless tier 3 Myers......
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How's my little Freddy?
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@mad_hatter said:
Arms up, like it was chasing me. That's why I say it directed Nemesis to me. He knew I was hiding there, because of the zombie.
How'd you get in the locker? Did you do anything that could make any noise? And was there a diversion?
Zombies react to noises and if they were next to the noise notification they'll immediately put their arms up
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Licker tongue is more a waste of time, don't use it. Unless you truly want .40 seconds of hindered
The answer is yes to everything else
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@Boss said:
Sorry if this is too off-topic, but is there a horror icon from more recent times in movie-, serie- or videogame media that's REALLY iconic?
And not something that started long ago and still continues today, like the HALLOWEEN movies.
This a late reply, I'm sorry.
.... that's a good question. But, there are horror movie slashers that are popular, but absolutely do not have a cult following like Halloween, Texas, and Nightmare on Elm Street.
These are Hatchet, the new Netflix movie movie train: Fear Street, and happy death day.
But, those fail in comparison. They're good movies, but two of them focuses on a supernatural gimmick more than the ideal character.
Hatchet is the exception, while the character is amazing, the story is pretty bland. Gotta have an amazing first movie to properly have a cult following.
Yet, those other two I put up are kinda different. While the characters are good, they're only really side characters for the story's main plot. They're not the center of the attention.
Fear Street focuses on the Witch (yes I watched all the movies. But this is the first movie as an example.) Whom possesses individual people, these people aren't special, it's the witch, but we never see her do anything else that would be truly captivating. The people are, but they're not focused on too much anymore, they're side characters.
Happy Death Day also follows this as well, but they actually do differ slightly away though. While there is a killer that's actually pretty iconic and not a side character, the main character is affected with a supernatural gimmick that makes the story much more interesting and engaging. That's it, especially towards the ending. The Killer is just a person, they don't have any disabilities, tragic backstory, possession, a sick motive, or anything special. But, what's even worse, is the fact that in the end. It didn't even matter.
Let's compare them to Ghost Face (first movie) to Happy Death Day.
They have the same exact motive. Revenge.
Ghost Face is more iconic however because they don't jokingly ask you "who's the killer? Don't worry, no one is actually gone forever, so it's just for fun"
In Happy Death Day, there is literally no consequence to guessing wrong in the plot. "Oh, is it my best friend? Oh no! They're dead! But, it's okay! I'll die!"
In scream, you saw the psychological torment the main character got from not only suspecting someone they absolutely hold dear, but became heart broken when they're wrong.
But, to answer your question?
No. These modern slasher movies are following an unfortunate trend and until they break that cycle, we'll tap out all the creative slasher characters concepts, but ruin them execution.
Sex, drugs, dumbass kids, or super natural experience that is hard to understand.
Friday is somehow the miracle child to not suffer through this until much later in the series. I think it's because they were the first to truly follow this trend and since you started it first, it's hard to be called out on something you created.
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@Seiko300 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2371687#Comment_2371687
First off- looping isn't being phased out, it's the main gameplay loop for survivors and killers, it's the entire reason why maps are designed the way they are, and in short DbD just wouldn't be the same game without this core central facet of gameplay. If you're referring to BHVR constantly releasing new killers with strong chase powers but little map control or other utility, then I would say even that is experiencing some pushback- it's not particularly new information to say that people don't enjoy going against chase killers because of how oppressive they are in 1 v 1s and how they kind of disregard the skill of their opponents entirely when it comes to looping or map knowledge because their power allows them to circumvent loops partly if not entirely.
Such that content creators are releasing videos like OhTofu's "Are New Killer Designs Destroying the Fun of DbD?
https://youtu.be/2WXNVJ6EXT0?t=130
So it's not like the community is embracing this new trend either.
Secondly, you kind of ignored two things that I said so they still stand: I used arguably the two most iconic horror characters (Myers and Jason) in my example to then say that if I showed them to people that don't watch horror, they wouldn't know who they were. Unlike characters like say- The Avengers, people who don't watch or don't even like comicbook movies probably know who Iron Man, Thor, Captain America are (Captain America specifically is apparently super popular abroad which is somewhat surprising). I would argue that this is nowhere near the same for horror characters- again because they target a much smaller audience (typically teens / young[er] adults) who enjoy the "thrill" that the horror medium provides. To my previous example again, Action and Comedy and other genres in general are simply much more emotionally accessible genres than Horror is.
So if the most iconic characters (Michael Myers and Jason Voorhees) aren't even all that iconic- what does that mean for all the other characters that are being mentioned on this thread? For Pennywise, Chucky, Candyman?
Secondly Part Two, I literally told you that 7/8 killers mentioned on the list I provided ARE slasher characters to one extent or another because they all share the same identifying trait all slasher villains have in common- a slashing instrument. And y'know what, I'll take this a step further and say that The Thing does have their own slashing instrument because it frequently transforms its body to have all manner of sharp teeth and claws which it uses to kill victims in the film, like the scene where The Thing literally snaps off Dr. Copper's hands and then proceeds to bite into Windows' head in the next scene. So 8/8 of the listed killers are slasher killers.
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So I don't understand what you gain out of the insistence that "DbD is only for Slasher Villains!" when everybody we're talking about here are classic characters of the slasher heyday in the 70's 80's and 90's. Y'know what isn't a slasher character? Springtrap. Slenderman. Yet these are requested every day by a minor but very vocal part of the playerbase, and I have no doubt that at some point in the future we likely will see these characters come into the game to appease that part of the community whether you agree with those additions or not. (Again, I'm not making it a secret that I prefer the slasher villains of the decades over those two, but it is what it is).
You know who also isn't a slasher killer? NEMESIS. Who is actually in the game. Or Mr. X for that matter, who were the top two picks for Resident Evil killers to make it in Dead By Daylight, neither of them use slashing instruments opting to overpower their victims with the sheer brute force of their fists. So unless you're trying to tell me that Nemesis inadvertently cuts his victims to death with his fingernails when he punches them- this kinda sinks your entire theory about Dead By Daylight being only for Slasher villains doesn't it? Clearly the devs have some other ideas about what their game is meant to be.
I personally admire the slasher genre, I'm very much fascinated by it. And I love that Dead By Daylight's origins and for most all of its history for five full years centered around slasher figures. But I can also accept, and even appreciate when the game and its developers decide to depart from their humble beginnings and pay homage to a few other figures of horror like Nemesis and beyond.
Though I am saying, I would very much love if characters like Pinhead, Candyman, Pennywise, Chucky, The Thing, and of course definitely The Xenomorph, The Predator, and Jason Voorhees would find their home in DBD, since it's been a long time since one of their kind has joined the game. The difference is I don't want to be controlling and voice an opinion that would stranglehold the games growth, hindering it, and prevent it from being likable and accessible to other audiences. I'm not saying flat out "no" to other licenses, I'm saying "later".
Wow, you pretty much explained everything well. Why all horror should be welcomed.
I will be honest, I will miss "slashers" only idea I had when I first got into this game. It seemed so unique and lovely.
But, Pyramid Head joined and that feeling I had just died down, but for the better. Horror ICONS should be welcomed into dbd, not just slashers. If that was the case, more interesting concepts would never be reborn. These examples are: Scissor Man, The Keeper, IT, etc.
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@Thrax said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2371759#Comment_2371759
Fair enough. Sometimes that's all the dumb people I can withstand as well.
I play on console, so the lag gets to me. Plus, playing too many video games just sucks out motivation for me to do art.
So my plan does seem dumb, but I can't have over a million unless they gift out BP, so... what else is there to do?
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@Thrax said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2371562#Comment_2371562
So you're going to play MAYBE 2 trials a day?
Yup.
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@TheDarkTyrant said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2370621#Comment_2370621
I mean it just repairs your items. Not really the most amazing thing.
Sorry. Built to kill*
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@TheClownIsKing said:
Regularly.
I like using to bait and switch mid chase on unsuspecting survivors when I have 4 tokens. It’s great on Myers during T3 EW. Down someone, and then catch someone off guard close by when they suddenly hear your restored TR.
Interesting, I've never been fortunate enough to get this perk to work for me.
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I'd say he should get a slight buff, anything more would be genuinely terrifying
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2371632#Comment_2371632
I don't think she did. I think he wanted her to be with him, but failed and just turned her into something like him.
That's fair, that's genuinely fair.
I always took it to "I'll be with you, but I refuse to let you take innocent people with you."
But, the next best thing about the movie is that it's actually subjective and you're not wrong about having a specific view on it... I kinda wanna watch it again now.
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@CornHub said:
And increase the likelihood of shelter woods? I'll pass
No killer (except for mobile ones and maybe the occasional Trapper) likes shelter woods.. o
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2371600#Comment_2371600
Unless I've been in a coma for several months, he hasn't even been added to DbD. How can he be a "poor man's Doctor"?
Personally, I liked his backstory, his motivation, and Tony Todd's voice just gives him that extra "oomph" to really stand out. The first time he appears and speaks just sticks with you, as do the brutal kills.
Especially with the "forbidden" love between two races, it makes it such a good memorable film.
Personally, I think Helen united with Candyman in the end. I know there's little evidence to support this, but just her announcing her love to him and her being a spector as well makes me think this
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@SMitchell8 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2371560#Comment_2371560
Can you explain what it is that's so fascinating about him? He's really popular amoung posters on here but I think he's completely bland and thats he's juat a poor mans doctor. What do people see that I don't?
Well..
He's a slasher, but different in a nice and refreshing way.
Let's compare him to the other more famous slashers people love. Those people are:
Michael Myers
Jason Voorhees
Ghost Face
Leatherface.
You may have noticed that they all share a similarity. They're quiet mindless murderers who Kill because of these rules.
Evil
Fame
Family
Revenge
Candyman fills Fame and Revenge, but as all good tragedies. He wasn't like this in the past.
He was brutally murdered for being in love with a woman. A white woman. Racial prejudice killed him and he vowed to be with his love. Killing all those who get in his way of his eternal love.
Sure that sounds pretty generic and it is, but when he becomes introduced, that's where it gets good. This haunting murdererous spector arrives, but... you don't feel fear. The sensual call, not a taunt, not a way to drop your guard, but a call as if you were familiar with them. You don't get hit with the Jumpscare "oooga booga" stuff, but just a new take. It feels so nice. I like a Jumpscare here and there, but Candyman's introduction is such a memorable scene that outshines all others besides Leatherface.
The actress did an amazing job with this scene, but hypnosis may have gone too far.
I'm sorry, it's hard to explain... I love Candyman because it's different from being a normal slasher, but it still has the elements of pure terror here and there, but you feel the love story as well.
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@Mr_Madness said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2371580#Comment_2371580
Yeah true, I would think he would carry them like Nemesis or use his tentacles for a more fitting animation.
Power would be hard but not impossible if given a while to think about it since did see quite a few good concepts that seemed fitting.
Hybrids are not bad but as it's differently played than killers like Deathslinger is sorta similar to Huntress merged with Legion with deep wound.
I just feel like if done right he would be a very good killer to play and face against like a Mirror myers but can do very well in high ranks while giving scares.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2371586#Comment_2371586
Yeah true but would be fun as long its not a insta down all the time since he can get stealth approach almost all the time so insta dowing everyone would be very OP. Maybe some sort of status effect that lasts for a while or something that slows the game down while still providing scares.
You have a point about hybrids being not always bad, but that combo makes me a little unsettled. Especially since they're the two strongest killers in the game and Slendy kinda mimics their power
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@Mercês said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2371581#Comment_2371581
That's what I'm trying to discuss... For example, people say Nurse is strong. But Nurse is strong on every map equally? What about ghostface? Is ghostface as strong on Autohaven as he is on Lery's? How can we say killers are fair if we're aren't balancing them considering a huge variable?
Trying to "balance" a role by out right making you decide to use each killer's optimized map all the time is broken. No offense, but that's genuinely a bad idea.
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@Shroompy said:
The devs giving away exclusives that I and many others earned
I worked tirelessly for Pro-Pain
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Map voting? Nooo.. that'd be way to sided unfortunately. It would be nice, but it would be way too strong.
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It could work.... but maybe not
So. He teleports around, he doesn't move, and he attacks if people look at him
So, seeing him carry a survivor and walking around fluently just seems... kinda upsetting.
Maybe unsettling to some, but I don't see that.
Plus, their power would be too... convoluted. Or we'd have a Nurse/Spirit hybrid.
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I'm farming with all the survivors until I get 1,000,000. Then I'm saving for the next chapter
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By the themselves? Yeah, they're fine.
The game's (map)? Please put me out of my misery. They went overboard with them in my opinion.
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I hate the perk, but Furtive Chase.
That's what my pfp is
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Built to kill would be bbbuuuusssttteeed
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@meowzilla69 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2369046#Comment_2369046
Ruin & undying is overrated, so is corrupt.
Nah, corrupt is fine
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Oh yeah, this perk could use a slight buff. Maybe a longer oblivious duration. But, it's my favorite perk to run on Oni
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@Marc_go_solo said:
There was a quote during the loading screen which went something like "Not the bees!!".
No idea if it means anything or not. BHVR have hidden clues in crazier places.
Remember when the number 4 for the 4th anniversary was the clue and we had no idea?
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Twins is strong in the regards of camping and slugging. Which, I loathe that play style. It's so boring.
Blight is as NoOneKnowsNova (interesting name) said: Map RNG based. He's a very powerful killer, but you gotta try them to see what it's like. Plus, you gotta practice religiously with them.
Nurse is a killer that has a learning curve to use, learn that and you'll be dangerous.
Spirit is... Spirit. I want to like her, but she's very powerful with little training.
Pyramid Head? Why Pyramid Head? I never truly felt he was OP, annoying without a doubt, but not OP.
Huntress is another killer that requires training.
Now, gens in themselves get done really really fast. So Ruin helps balance that out. To counter ruin, just do gens and don't get off the gen or be the dedicated scout. If someone else is doing that, then you do gens, Pop is fine, what's wrong with Sloppy, Are you seriously arguing about BBQ?
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2368164#Comment_2368164
It's more that when they heard the Candyman film was being postponed, they rushed the Twins' release, which is why they were so buggy. That's essentially a conspiracy theory at this point, but it's what people think.
And to support your point even further, this is not the first time this happened. Leatherface and Freddy actually had the same issue as well.
Freddy was the first license Bhvr were trying to nab after Michael. But, the studio that owned the license were so unsure of the idea, they want to but, it could be a disaster.
So, while Bhvr were trying to think of a chapter to get instead, the company that owned LEATHERFACE reached out to them. They got so excited so they started working. As they were working, the company that owned Freddy also agreed.
Bhvr had two licenses they needed to work out at the same time. It's why Kate who looks suspiciously like Sally was released much later with clown who came right out after Pig, why Coldwind got an update to have the Thompson house that looks suspiciously like Leatherface's, and why those two were ultimately the weakest killers in the game before they got their reworks
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@xEa said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2369112#Comment_2369112
Do you live on the moon? Slinger is the most hated killer since Legion 1.0.
How? You're comparing a killer to a killer who actually had the worst bug combo in the game that actually did guarantee wins.
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Don't ever post again OP, you got 1234 posts lmfao
I probably would have to say since she is really good, has a decently high kill rate with little effort
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"Oh no! They're all hot!"
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@DelsKibara said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2369177#Comment_2369177
Holy #########! That happened to me on another map as Survivor!
I wasn't even mad, I was just laughing my ass off to suddenly be speared out of nowhere in a corn map.
I love Corn sniping as deathslinger
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Okay, so I don't have a video. But, I will explain in vivid details of what happened.
I was Deathslinger on the MacMillan Coal Mines and I had the addon that allows me to insta down a survivor at a certain radius away. My discordance went off and I went to go pay the survivors a visit. I walked up and I see a Dwight in the distance, clicky-clicky. They kept running in circles far away and I decided "Meh. Why not?"
I looked down the sights and fired. Typically, the Dwight dodged, I sighed, but shortly after I heard a scream. I shot a Blendette whom I didn't even see who was on a gen and at the maximum range possible for Deathslinger. I was dumbfounded. Dwight stopped to stare, Claudette wasn't even moving, and I think an Ash came to look as well.
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It can be good, but it's held back by weird specifics.
Concept is great, I feel the requirements should be changed so it can have more a potential use on it. Or, force a difficult skill check and if someone fails it manually boots them off
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@GeneralV said:
Not sure if I have shared this before, but if GeneralV was a meme that would be it:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/CF3LOPBXA1I3/image.png
It is sad, but it is the truth.
Yeah you sent this before, I still feel bad
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I got super mad yesterday, was it the survivors? Nah. Map? Nah.
It was my brand new controller acting up out of no where. That's the time I've been so mad for a awhile in dbd, just that. It was 60 dollars.. ;~;
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I have never used Undying once.
I think I lost my cool by being over excited reading it when I first got it and then I just said. "Meh."