Crowman

@[Deleted User] said:
The game can disincentivise camping/tunnelling but I think these actions are basically impossible for the devs to remove.
Some of the ideas people suggest are too damaging to a killer’s agency. Plus if a survivor team has 2/3 really good loopers and 1/2 poor ones it makes absolutely no sense for the killer to try and spread the hooks evenly. Even with the killer buffs and extra ten seconds, if you try and play as nicely as possible by spreading the hooks around and get caught in chases with good loopers and don’t switch targets because you want to be a “nice” killer you will often lose the game.
There’s another issue as well in that the consensus seems to be that it’s acceptable to camp/tunnel at certain parts of the game but not at others. Even if we all agree on that, how can the devs design the game around that sort of etiquette? Implement a camping/tunnel recognition system for when the killer is struggling with nobody sacrificed and there’s only one generator left to repair? Ok, you get to camp the hook now. It just doesn’t work.
Probably the best changes would be to increase base kit BT, revert DS to 5 secs, remove hook grabs and if the killer is insanely close to the hooked survivor then maybe buff repair speeds. But any more than that would be too much.

I honestly don't get the "tunneling/camping bad at 5 gens". Like just because it says 5 gens left, doesn't mean there's 5 gens worth of progress remaining. That can easily become 3 or 4 gens left.

I don't think the devs should increase repair speeds for the killer being too close to the hook. And relatedly I don't think the hook timer should slow down being too close to the hook either. Those mechanics are going to need exceptions and it's one of those things that survivors will abuse.

Something I ran into that should be changed in some way is that while it's not possible to completely block an unhook, killers can body block a single survivor trying to unhook. Meaning without coordination, a survivor on hook can just die because the killer is literally preventing the unhook. Hooks became radial due to an issue with killers being able to block the only unhook point so I think a similiar change needs to happen so a killer can't body block the unhook prompt. Along with no grabs this would at least gives survivors the ability to hook trade unless they mess up.

in The Players must understand and accept, that BHVR cannot prevent tunneling and camping Comment by Crowman August 9, 2022

When I was watching Otz stream earlier to see the new content, I saw the 100% BP bonus on the survivor tab at the main menu. Seems like they were enabled just not mentioned in the patch notes.

in Matchmaking Incentives In 6.2.0? Comment by Crowman August 9, 2022

@SoloQKev said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3123291#Comment_3123291
Yeah, hes a killer main which means he's always right LOL honest no point arguing with him. I rarely play killer as survivors more fun for me, well use to be fun. I just know that when I play killer its too easy now since the update and I never even tunnel or camp.

I play both sides and do believe that tunneling and camping should be nerfed as they are currently too effective.

I just don't see tunneling and camping prevent survivors from playing the game. Being on a hook might not be engaging, but it's still part of survivor gameplay. It's fine you don't like a gameplay mechanic.

in The Players must understand and accept, that BHVR cannot prevent tunneling and camping Comment by Crowman August 9, 2022

@Pulsar said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3123251#Comment_3123251
If you want to make the argument that being facecamped by a Killer isn't limiting your ability to play the game, go ahead.
It's a bad argument, but you're allowed to make it.

Your ability to play the game isn't being limited. You can not like how survivor gameplay is designed, but survivors are designed to be largely helpless on the hook and reliant on their teammates saving you. A killer preventing survivors from unhooking you is not preventing you from playing the game.

If you want to propose a different mechanic than the current hook state, go ahead. But the only way that a killer can actually prevent you from playing the game is if they body block you in the corner of the map and just sit there. Which is reportable btw.

Now I do think being able to facecamp survivors to death is not healthy for the game.

in The Players must understand and accept, that BHVR cannot prevent tunneling and camping Comment by Crowman August 9, 2022

@Pulsar said:
Okay, it's still anti-fun and we should try to limit it as much as possible.
I figure if we make it so that Killers do not need to camp or tunnel, we can then remove their ability to.
I just don't think a player should have the ability to completely prevent another user from playing the game. That's dumb.

The problem is being camped or tunneled isn't taking away your ability to play the game.

Survivor gameplay includes being on a hook. A killer camping you on the hook is not preventing you from engaging with survivor gameplay. Is it not fun, sure. The new perk on the ptb to pause the hook state can almost indefinitely extend the hook duration and while that counters camping the person on the hook certainly isn't having more fun.

As far as tunneling, being chased is also a part of survivor gameplay. A lot of survivors insist that the chase is the fun part of survivor gameplay. So while I can understand some people don't necessarily enjoy being immediately chased off hook before they could heal up, nothing about that is preventing you from playing the game.

in The Players must understand and accept, that BHVR cannot prevent tunneling and camping Comment by Crowman August 9, 2022

@The_Krapper said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3123163#Comment_3123163
That was my point though is you have to charge longer I guess slower is the wrong word but technically it does take you longer to reach maximum range because of the add on

It only matters if you are blinking past normal blink range. If you are going for a short range blink, it takes the same charge time regardless. And the range addons make your short range blinks faster.

in Anyone else having teammates give up in nurse games? Comment by Crowman August 9, 2022

@The_Krapper said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3123092#Comment_3123092
Actually running range add ONS makes your blink slower to charge but you just get that extra distance, a lot of people know I'm a nurse main on here and even I'll say the range add ONS need to be removed from the game, nurse really isn't as bad as some people claim though they just want her nerfed so they can run in circles and play her the exact same way you do most of the killers, if she gets nerfed I really hope they just do add ONS and not base kit nurse.

I don't know how you can call yourself a nurse main and not understand the mechanics of the range addons.

The addons don't make you charge slower. If you charge 0.5 seconds, you'll travel the same distance with or without the addons. What the range addons do is allow you to be able to charge a bit longer for extra distance. This was an intentional change with the nurse rework a couple years ago nurses didn't need to learn different muscle memories with range addons.

Patch 5.5.0 had a huge nurse update to her code and reintroduce omegablink nurse with her range addons. It might not be as fast as it was before, but it's pretty significant. Otz has a comparison video (starts around 2 minutes):

https://youtu.be/8x-shHZpCzg?t=118

in Anyone else having teammates give up in nurse games? Comment by Crowman August 9, 2022

A lot of nurses are taking advantage of the range addons making her blink faster which basically gives little to no counterplay against a good nurse. Those games often just feel pointless to play out.

in Anyone else having teammates give up in nurse games? Comment by Crowman August 9, 2022

@kaneyboy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3122833#Comment_3122833
but that's the whole fun of it? now one perk takes away any recovery from adrenaline.

It's not even unique to Terminus.

Any perk that inflicts broken can counter Adrenaline.

in Adrenaline is useless with Terminus? Comment by Crowman August 9, 2022

Adrenaline already ignores exhaustion and even waits for you to be unhooked or dropped from the killer's grasp to trigger.

A single killer perk hard countering an already good perk that already ignores things it shouldn't is not an issue.

in Adrenaline is useless with Terminus? Comment by Crowman August 9, 2022

@Tsulan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3122242#Comment_3122242
I highly recommend that you watch those videos. Especially the second one is very revealing on the mindset of some people.

It's insane to me that survivors needing to try to win is a problem now. Like if you want to play casually where you just chill with the game as a background thing, you can do that. Just don't expect to be escaping a lot.

in State of the game as killer Comment by Crowman August 9, 2022

@cburton311 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/339965/tunneling-is-getting-out-of-control
Tunneling is a huge problem, but I think this misses the point a little. Unacceptable tunneling occurs when a vulnerable survivor is unhooked and the killer bypasses all options to rehook that person almost immediately. If you have a chase that lasts 3 minutes, thats just playing the game and you did your part well.
What's the difference? The hooked survivor has very little options in those first few seconds off the hook. BT helps a little but as you mentioned the changes to DS, the recovery time after swinging, and the reduced speed boost all contribute to a situation that isn't fun at all. Survivors go from very unfun hanging on a hook to return there with little chance to actually play the game. After you get to resources, and start running the killer, especially if that duration is measured in minutes, this can hardly be called tunneling. The killer hasn't deleted you from the game.
The problem with the 2 different scenarios is the survivor is one tiny mistake from turning a very unfun tunneling experience into hanging on the hook again.

There's no such thing as "unacceptable tunneling". It's a player elimination game and the killer is free to decide how they want to try to eliminate their opponents. The only thing that needs to be done is survivors need a bit more tools to help deal with tunneling as it's currently a bit too effective.

in Tunneling is getting out of control Comment by Crowman August 9, 2022

Killing someone early is vital. Sorry that you don't like it when killers kill.

in pig tunneled at 4 gens Comment by Crowman August 8, 2022

@Zexbunny said:
Have they even released recent stats?

We haven't gotten any stats since before mmr went live.

in Massive discrepancy between BHVR stats and reality? Solo queue seems to be ~30% winrate. Comment by Crowman August 8, 2022

@ImNotBobDylan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3121654#Comment_3121654
Did you read the paragraph you quoted? Here is a question for you, imagine you roll a dice 39 times, and you get only 6s. Would you need to throw it 1000 more times before claiming the dice is rigged?

You are trying to extrapolate 39 games between 4 players as an overview of the current state of the game for solo queue. 39 games is a drop in the bucket for the comparison you are trying to make. You need significantly more games before you can even make any sort of statement about the escape rate for solo queue survivors.

in Massive discrepancy between BHVR stats and reality? Solo queue seems to be ~30% winrate. Comment by Crowman August 8, 2022

@ImNotBobDylan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3121628#Comment_3121628
While I agree collecting data like this incurs a lot of problems, I heavily disagree about sample count being low (btw: now it's 39 games, I added a few new ones).
Despite the sample count being apparently low to our intuition, it's far enough for statistical laws to apply. MMR is supposed to make you win 50% of your games, but if that was true, then the probability of getting only 11.5 wins in a sample of 39 would be 0.4% according to Binomial calculator, so while we can't tell for sure what is the probability of surviving, we can already say that it's not 50%, and sample count won't change anything.
That said, my data is affected by the following problems:
Low diversity of players (only 4, not representative of what other streamers can maybe experience)
Time of day, mood of players
Fixing 1) would be tedious but doable, fixing 2) is unlikely to be doable. If you can name a few solo queue players (say 5, ideally with different MMRs) and an approximate time when they play then I'll redo the study with these players. You choose the parameters so I avoid selection bias.
I defined a "win" based on the MMR rules: Escape = win, Death = loss, Hatch = Draw.

39 games is still virtually nothing.

in Massive discrepancy between BHVR stats and reality? Solo queue seems to be ~30% winrate. Comment by Crowman August 8, 2022

Pain Res will still explode the gen causing you to be interrupted during the repair and trigger DMS if the killer has it. Calm Spirit doesn't prevent the knock off effect. However, you shouldn't scream but it might be an oversight since pain res causes survivors to scream, but does not create a sound notification.

in Shouldn't calm spirit prevent pain resonance Comment by Crowman August 8, 2022

If you had a data set of more than 4 people and a larger match count overall, this might mean something.

But we're looking at less than 40 matches overall between 4 players. Hardly enough to make any sort of conclusion about solo queue.

I can tell you from personal experience, I've had nights where it was a struggle to get a single escape. Then I had nights where I would escape multiple times in a row with a couple deaths. (all after 6.1.0).

EDIT: I should also mention, sometimes the nights were I have trouble getting an escape. The match result is still a 3-man escape because I would die in the end game after the generators are already done.

in Massive discrepancy between BHVR stats and reality? Solo queue seems to be ~30% winrate. Comment by Crowman August 8, 2022

@Laluzi said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3121099#Comment_3121099
Yeah, survivors healing while sick is a common one. Another is people cleansing right before they unhook a sick player or touch a dirty gen. There's not thinking a minute in advance, and then there's just not thinking period. Or not knowing how Plague works, because that's the only other way I can explain some of the stuff I've seen.
Legion's another common one for 'help, my teammates have no idea how to play against this killer and it's Screwing Me Over.' Or when you watch your teammate tbag behind a pallet against Myers...

To be fair, there are valid times to cleanse before unhooking a sick survivor. When a plague is hanging near the hook it's too unsafe to attempt a rescue while injured so you need to heal just so you can trade.

in Most enraging teammate moments Comment by Crowman August 8, 2022

I had a teammate rescue me from hook and then proceed to take the vault sandbagging me. If you really wanted me to die, just leave me on hook. People who unhook and then leave you to get tunneled are just annoying to be on the receiving end of.

Though last night I had a teammate ######### at me for being "bad" and went onto my steam profile to cry about how I have 3K hours. I had 2K less points than him, all the gens got done, and we all died because the killer slugged all 3 of us at the end of the game. But I guess he needed someone to ######### at since everyone else was crossplay.

in Most enraging teammate moments Comment by Crowman August 8, 2022

If you bought and played the game before this patch and had enjoyed yourself, it wasn't a waste of money.

This mind set that a game got an update that you don't like suddenly means that you wasted money on the game is just flawed logic. Do you say you wasted your money when you beat single player games?

in This Game was a Waste of Money Comment by Crowman August 8, 2022

If you DBD is anymore buggy than other live service games out there, than you really haven't been paying attention. When you have multiple people updating the same code base, bugs are bound to happen. It's simply not possible to track every change that happens before a release.

in Killswitch Comment by Crowman August 8, 2022

The combo doesn't really see much run, because even with survivors cleansing plaything totems the killer still has to find time to create the pentimento totem. And since generally survivors know where hexes got cleansed, it doesn't take that long for them to locate and cleanse your pentimento totems.

As good as 30% slowdown is, trying to set up and keep it around is kind of hard. And since it's not something that can just be active at the start of the match, good survivors who don't go down quickly can often not be pressured to cleanse their plaything totem.

in Are you tired of Plaything/Pent combo? Comment by Crowman August 7, 2022

@VonCrow said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3117864#Comment_3117864
Lol, you are omega tilted.
There is a small difference though. She is wasting my time here, but you are not losing anything if killers get Bloodpoints.
Jesus Christ.

You just have to accept the double standard that exists. Killer slugs last survivor and lets them bleed out survivors get pissy about you wasting their time, but they have no issue wasting your time by standing in the exit gate so they can bm you.

in What's the actual point of doing this? Comment by Crowman August 7, 2022

Mending honestly shouldn't be influenced by perks in anyway. It's a flat time sink if you tank an endurance hit and it allows killer powers that inflict deep wound to be a reliable form of slowdown.

in Self-care should allow you to mend faster Comment by Crowman August 7, 2022

Standing still dead hard was really dumb. Glad that got removed.

in Is the new DH bugged? Comment by Crowman August 7, 2022

@Carnivorone said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3118456#Comment_3118456
I'm not playing and I've requested a refund. Now I'm stuck with a game that is horrible that I've sunk lots of money into, and on top of everything else I have people with attitude telling me I'm not even allowed to complain about it. Well guess what, damn you, I'm complaining. I hate this.

That's literally how buying games is. You buy a game, you play the game, then you stop playing that game to play other games.

You are not owed a refund because you are done playing a game.

If you want to complain about the game go ahead. But if you want to justify rage quiting a game because you can't get a refund or you are not finding the game as fun anymore than don't be surprised when people who are enjoying the game don't like that you are ruining their matches.