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I also had a Wraith game today
I wonder what would of happened if the bill I ignored for a while because he was just plain bad actually did gens.
Likely I would've gotten the 4k at one gen instead of four
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@lagosta said:
I swear this is how I pictured you finding the bug:
Idk who you are and I've never seen you before today but you're the funniest person on this forum
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Yeah it's really really annoying.
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Biased, Cheryl or Felix.
Perks wise you want Dwight's perks
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If they nerf keys I hope they don't nerf their addon capability. I'd finally be able to use a key for the obsession ring or the blood amber or the gold token without being tunneled. Give the broken key a different appearance and make it stronger at least.
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Who ever you are I love you
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@SilentHillOnDvD said:
Tell me what this is and I'll watch
An absolute bop
Also I'm pretty sure about acceptance and being yourself, I didnt watch it all though cuz I'm on data rn
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I'd actually say her outfit is linked to her lore in the details.
'Ashen Lady'
Emphasis on the Ash part, I've heard of crazy women who burned down their houses with family inside being called Ashen Ladies a couple times but that's about as obscure as it gets and could be a regional thing.
On the gloves in her outfit when she is blinking instead of the usual cracking effect it actually looks like her hand is burning from the inside.
Finally the dress and weapon have an ashy particle effect that makes it looks like she is burning without fire/smouldering.
Also yes her lore is ######### awesome
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@[Deleted User] said:
You're not supposed to juke him, but you can try losing him if you're healthy. If he was wasn't as powerful as he is now at downing, twins would be trash tier.
There's also another action to resort to when you are about to get downed, but i'm not saying that one, figure it out yourself, because it's a counter and i don't want more people knowing this counter.
Lockers far from Charlotte right? It gets right on my nerves when they do this
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I wanna know what you mean by no killers are gamers anymore?
What we're just random people who spend all their time knitting miraculously finding the skill and dedication to learn killer in DBD of all games.
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@DecisiveDwight said:
Literally had a wraith speed hacker the other day uncloaking really fast and then even faster cloaking able to speed through pallets and hit us we all dropped like flies and then again today a GF speed hacker same name as before the devs don't seem to care what evidence we give they just sit there and laugh probably.
Was he using the serpent addon? It may have been a specific pallet speed break uncloak hit build, it's very fun you should try it.
Not trying to excuse hacks but it sounds familiar (besides the speed hacks).
I've been accused of hacking for using that build before
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Honestly the main issue is a lot of people would think they were trying to associate LGBT+ with evil but I doubt the devs would do that on purpose (watch them pull out bigotry bred hatred for humanity in them so they started killing straight people and prove me wrong lmaoo).
If the killer is LGBT+ and the survivor isn't that's cool, throughout history a lot of villains have been qu**r coded anyway (censored that because some people are sensitive to the word people shouldn't be using it so liberally on this forum). And tbf the villains are usually hotter anyway so that's chill.
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@GravyRobbers85 said:
How about we just quit promoting cultural Marxism? Be happy with what you have. You want equality, but you only want it when it's convenient for you.
Hello? Are you ok? You're in 2021, I think you hit your head?!
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There is no definity that this chapter will have an LGBT+ Character in it, let alone a whole chapter about it lmaooo.
The idea that behaviour is being pressured into doing anything is ridiculous. It took a PR nightmare to see a colour blind mode wip and if they actually got forced into doing anything ever we'd have a haddonfield rework and nurse bug fixes among many other things
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1976913#Comment_1976913
know what im so desperate id take it
Ngllll me too
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1976904#Comment_1976904
from the fanart ive seen he definitely is and im living (dying :p) for it
Hope he's not g4p
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@TheClownIsKing said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1976791#Comment_1976791
Exactly. We don’t currently have characters exerting their “straightness” mid match.
We don’t have Trapper before doing a Mori bend down and say “By the way, I’m hetero”.
Well he got the daddy issues to boot so he needs to let us know if he gay or not one of these days
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@Nameless said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1976554#Comment_1976554
Unless you're going to claim representation somehow makes it so that you'll no longer have to survive a merciless killer in DBD, that argument is fundamentally flawed.
We have ascended, we actually just sandbag you with our superiority instead of being chased by the killer
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@HealsBadMan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1976243#Comment_1976243
I think she used to be 110% back in the day but rn she's 115%
Noice
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Because they want to, plus wigs and stuff are quite popular with pop artists rn
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@DeadHardMan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1976229#Comment_1976229
Pig is a 115% female killer
I thought she was 110?
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1976235#Comment_1976235
Can you extend your hair that much in a day?
Hair extensions. Weaves/Wigs. Pictures being taken at different times of the year.
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I think its just dimples and smile lines
I do think this pfp is male for sure though. The face shape and structure is too masculine for a female DBD character, even if it is the killer
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@[Deleted User] said:
Yes. The other one has longer hair and different clothing. I'm guessing this one's the killer.
I mean as far as I'm aware changing clothes exists.
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@WeenieDog said:
what ever it is, I just hope it isn't a 110% ms killer.
90% bet it's a female killer too, so it'd be another 110 female killer. Plague is the only 115 killer that's female (unless you count Charlotte, but I personally don't, she's Charlotte after all).
I'm not raising a sexism issue rather than I'm raising that all the female killers aesthetics are much better and I want to be cool AND speedy
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Survivors get second chance perks, killers get a second chance killer
Seems fair and balanced to me 😭
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@NoOneKnowsNova said:
It wouldn't suprise me if it was. Look at Slingers. That was only a chain moving and someone screaming.
It gave away 100x more than what this teaser is though
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@EvanSnowWolf said:
I believe it also works on Midwich elementary school.
:0 noice
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1976139#Comment_1976139
but then you need to hope you get the right basement spawn too haha,
best of luck man
God damn
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1976129#Comment_1976129
afaik yes just there, not 100% if it works with shack basement my friend tested it out and got it with a mb basement
Welp time to waste bloodpoints finding dead dawg offerings
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
Fun fact: it works on Dead Dawg Saloon!
??? Just dead dawg?
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@SnakeSound222 said:
They are. I’ve already seen someone say that it was bugged for them lol.
My god
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@SirCracken said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1974998#Comment_1974998
You are on the forums as well, so that statement seems accurate. But I digress.
"Yes whilst the quality of the game is important so is social progression and inclusion"
This "Social Progression" you speak of, (which I'm genuinely inclined to ask if you just learnt of), is laughable. You mean to tell me that the wellbeing and livelihood of people in the real world is influenced by their most shallow and inconsequence traits, (their race and gender), being put onto fictional characters and is linked to their acceptance in society? Shall we solve the problem of homelessness, domestic abuse, harassment, and every other man-made problem by making dozens of ham-fisted games based on each subject?
You do not need a virtual avatar to be seen and respected. You only need confidence in yourself and the will to improve. I sure as hell don't need a collection of pixels to feel justified in my existence. And if you feel otherwise then I highly recommend you work on fixing that.
"Also it doesn't need to make interesting gameplay. DBD actually has tons and tons of story shown by the tome and lore sheets and all the cutscenes"
If a game is not interesting or fun people will not play it.
DBD has an admittedly interesting story but piss weak lore. The archives, the lore sheets and cutscenes are lore. Not part of the overall story of the game. They are backstory for the characters. And very poorly written at that. The only reason why people still play it today is because of the unique gameplay, even despite all of the terrible balance decisions. The percentage of people who stay exclusively for the story and not the gameplay are considerably smaller than those who keep playing for the gameplay. If you feel this point needs evidence, consider which action would make the game lose more players:
- A - Removing all characters, perks, and maps.
- B - Removing all lore, flavour text and cutscenes.
"If you have balance issues or bug issues take that to the balancing team and the bug fixers, not the character design team"
Funny. This implies that anyone on either team, (if DBD even has a dedicated team for fixing bugs), cares about player concerns. And is competent at their job. But that's besides the point.
I wasn't intending to get anything in the game changed with my initial comment. I was remarking how people very much like yourself don't seem to care about the core issues with the game, (that are guaranteed to be only made worse in the next patch), and instead focus on superficial aspects of the characters.
"Irdk what you mean in relation to anything else you've said with the last sentence (especially since you become about ten times more intellectual in that last sentence alone)...
I'm really not sure where you're getting anything intellectual from. I was just repeating my point again. Allow me to break it down.
To care more about the pre-written traits that your interchangeable collection of polygons possesses...
(Caring more about your characters identity...)
- rather than the quality of the gameplay they're presented in...
(Compared to how good the game you're playing is...)
is a reductive mindset.
(Is pointless.)
"but (assuming you are a straight cisgender person because that's certainly what you put across)...
Excuse me? Did I have a seizure mid-sentence and forget the part where I mention anything about my own sexuality? Who are you to assume anything about me when you claim to want acceptance? Your hypocrisy is palpable.
you have never understood the need or want for representation in the respect of your identity but i think not wanting people not to care about what is being put across to a large community (which is that whilst up to speculation everyone is straight until explained otherwise) is a rather reductive mindset on your part.
I don't play video games to fill some shallow, ego-driven hole in my heart that can only be filled by having my least valuable attributes displayed by an imaginary character. I play them to have fun. To explore ideas and scenarios that are impossible to do in real life. I'm sorry, but your mindset is just disgusting to me.
You would ignore every single fantastic aspect about every single video game, the stories, set pieces, mechanics, the music, in favour of having less straight people portrayed in them?
I genuinely don't know what to say.
How is it laughable
I'll reply two a few of your paragraphs in one and just say that although a set of pixels that represent something doesn't give validation (if it does to someone I agree that should be fixed), but the fact that it presents that idea as something that isn't alien or wrong.
When I said it doesnt need to make interesting gameplay you seem to have misunderstood my wording.
I'm saying backstory or gender/sexuality shouldn't need to create interesting gameplay to be of importance.
I personally care very much about the game's core issues but I know they aren't solved by the people who do character design and their backgrounds. Just because the game has other issues doesn't mean I want all the teams that don't balance/bug fix to slack and put out nothing or terrible content.
I say you become more intellectual in that last sentence because you managed to more perfectly summarise your point with clearer intent than the rest of the essay you wrote.
Perhaps I was wrong to assume you were whatever for the sake of my point but you certainly don't come across with the mindset of someone who wants social progression and inclusion (which involves video games).
I don't think anyone plays video games to "fill some shallow ego driven hole in (their) heart". As I have mentioned above the process of inclusivity within video games is not primarily to validate but rather present the whole thing to a larger audience/community than people who are that.
I can't find the part where I said I play video games to see myself in the characters and you basically imply I'm egotistical for wanting representation which i think is completely absurd. At no point either did I say what you have layed out as "disgusting" as my mindset...
I play video games for the experience of playing the video games, the fantasy situations, the blood rush the exciting gameplay, same as you.
So as if you your last question wasn't rhetorical. No I wouldn't.
And neither do I, know what to say. You berate me for assumptions and then continue on to make several yourself (though partially less rude ones I do apologise.)
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@DragonMasterDarren said:
Will someone please explain to me why the devs are obsessed with putting insanely tedious and hard to get challenges in the 2nd part of every single tome? The amount of luck and the sheer number of variables in this challenge actually hurt
first you need a killer who is entirely okay with slugging (good luck finding that at lower ranks)
then you need to be just close enough to heal them without the killer finding you
AND then you need to also do this TWICE IN ONE GAME
alternatively you do this challenge with a UB SG Tenacity Build, I.E something you would need to spend money to get
or you just get lucky enough to have a farming killer or a SWF, one or the other
like come on, if you want hard challenges then put them in parts 3 or 4, not 2
yeah this is an exceptionally hard challenge to get, added in the need to have the perk empathy equipped whilst you do it is a bit extreme.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975022#Comment_1975022
4 people in a month? Where do you live? The deep south?
I think the game is such a mess right now that people don’t want to see all this hype over sexuality while the game itself needs fixing. As everyone has already said its not the same teams but players are feeling desperate and unheard. People are assuming that they dont want an LGBT character released but if you look back over the past year a lot of players have been saying they don’t want ANY characters or dlc released, they just want the game to receive an operation health style makeover.
I only came back a few weeks ago from a 3 month hiatus. Earlier last year I took an even longer break. Seeing what they have done with the new maps really saddens me for the future of the game not just because the maps are bad but because we can see that the designers clearly do not understand their own game and are incapable of designing good maps at this point. The new meat plant in particular is so bad that I’m considering uninstalling again because no way am I playing an m1 killer on that map. There is zero gameplay. So when that map comes up I now take a 5 minute timeout or I go afk for 5 minutes....,like either way I’m wasting 5 minutes doing nothing when I could spend those 5 minutes playing a different game and having more fun. Rotten fields was already that kind of map for me, not sure if its because im colour blind making it worse but I physically had to learn forward and squint every game to continue a chase against characters with dark clothing and it gave me eye strain. Speaking of which given Almo’s attitude towards color blind people which was recently made aware to me I wouldn’t expect this company to handle any kind of inclusion your hoping for in a tasteful way. They fixed the maps last year and then ruined them again with the updates. So sad.
Then we have the bugs. The game it collapsing under the weight of its own bugs and many have been in there for years. They said they fixed the silent survivor bugged and yet its still there so they cant even fix the bugs they claimed they fixed.
Finally we have the balance which nobody has been happy about for a long time.
So with players frustration at an all time high, the game just adding more and more bugs to the pile, the developers actually somehow making maps worse everytime they touch them, and just the usual balance issues which have remained for almost 5 years, I think a lot of hype about the sexuality of a character in a game with no sex, no romance. No dialogue, no direct way to interact or communicate with other characters or people is just leaving people fee cynical like the developers are just chasing easy sales and cheap praise rather than doing anything which would take more work. People felt the same when they were adding more licensed killers too, hey the game is a mess but STRANGER THINGS GUYS!! PYRAMID HEAD GUYS!! yeah I really enjoy Pyramidhead but the novelty quickly wears off when you start losing games because of bugs or you have a stressful of boring time because of map design
Well, thankyou for actually continuing maturely, it's not something that can be expected out of a lot of members of community.
I actually live in England on EU servers, I think there's much more racism here than on NA servers.
I honestly agree with a lot of what you are saying, one thing I will say though is that a large amount of people (not the majority, but still) who are outwardly showing annoyance towards the matter is because they don't want forced inclusion, or inclusion at all (depending on the persons world view). I personally also want a game health update but I'm definitely the first to advocate for inclusion if the option is there.
I certainly understand your pain in the colour-blind situation, being red blind myself I've found a lot of annoyances with that but I'm just glad a colour-blind support option is coming even if it was born out of a pr crisis.
While I don't doubt that if they are making this character explicitly LGBT+ it is an attempt at a cash grab as long as it is down well I do actually think it will go down well with a large amount of people, but if it's not god knows the repercussions BHVR is gonna feel lmao.
Balance wise though I think as much as it's important all these situations needed to be separated because it isn't the same people working on these things. That's definitely meaning though they should be doing more work and releasing fixes and balance updates because the whole team isn't working on making new cosmetics and character lore. That though is a debate for a whole other post.
I think in the end people are so hyped for this character's possible step towards ACTIVE inclusion because we don't get much with this game (as we all know) so if we get a ball we take it and we run with it because it's the best we're gonna get. It's also hype like this that might make BHVR realise this could be a good step to take in the near future if they aren't doing it now.
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@Adeloo said:
Are you sure ? i mean for me the colors are purple and blue which is a common duo of color to use.
But i wouldn't mind a LGBT survivor, even tho it's already up to everyone to make their opinion on each survivor sexuality and gender ^^ People already create their own canon (Felix x Blight, Zarina being trans, etc i saw many different opinions and ideas) But i think it would be nice to see some diversity especially if the survivor is Asian, i really hope she doesn't end up being a fusion of Kate and Feng :(
felix x blight is actually a thing?
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I like this, it matches the idea of an iri addon whilst not being too OP
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I find this highly amusing. I never said you're homophobic or transphobic for not agreeing but the way you're trying to argue this situation certainly seems like your averse to the addition of a non straight or non cis character (i never said that this means you are phobic nor that this was 100% the case but that it sounded like it). The only cheap shot is you undermining me and trying to be make it seem like I'm doing that. I can take cheap shots if you want but I'd like to have an intellectual discussion.
Talking about want/need for inclusion does not imply exclusion. One can be neither included or excluded at the same time. Especially in this situation with what you said about how no one is every specifically said to be straight or cis. Explicit inclusion is certainly more impactful than speculative. Like if you interviewed for a job and you kind of knew you got it but you were never told so you just turned up one day and no one said anything (my analogy is a bit sketchy but its the first thing I thought of).
Fair enough about the general thought, but whilst it is not a MASS issue it is an issue that happens, specifically in pair with the shockingly common racism in this community. I've run into four separate people over the course of the past months targeting only minority characters. I say only four because they did it explicitly and were racist and pointed it out in endgame chat. In addition to these four there are probably others that did it in subterfuge (maybe idk) and numerous numerous matches where racial abuse has been thrown about in end game chat like it's free real estate for multiple reasons from using smart face on Bubba to using Claudette to just saying gg wp after the match. So yes, not a MASS problem but certainly a problem. In relation homophobic and transphobic abuse is thrown around in endgame very commonly, so to defer from the racism issue people would specifically target minority characters based on their sexuality and gender.
Now will you continue having an intellectual conversation or are we gonna start taking pot shots at each other?
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@SirCracken said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1974921#Comment_1974921
That's very presumptuous of you. I thought your community was based around "Tolerance" and "Acceptance"?
The fact of the matter is that the quality of the game matters more than the made up identity of its characters. It doesn't matter if every single character is suddenly made part of the spectrum overnight. The game's problems will persist and the gameplay experienced by the players will continue to suffer.
Because sexuality and gender don't make for interesting gameplay in a multiplayer game with little to no story. Unique and balanced mechanics do. To care more about the pre-written traits that your interchangeable collection of polygons possesses, rather than the quality of the gameplay they're presented in, is a reductive mindset.
lmao what? people on this forum are on smth today i swear. Sorry that I pointed out that you sound like one of the people that complains about cosmetics for no reason.
Yes whilst the quality of the game is important so is social progression and inclusion. This is why more companies push for diversity hires nowadays (although its kinda disrespectful only to be hired because of your identity rather than credentials) because people who aren't outside of the predominant community (straight white men) in these situations don't feel overly comfortable in those situations. No one is asking for every single character to become gay or bi or trans or nb or whatever (or autistic seeing as you brought up the spectrum for some reason?). What we want is to be represented because especially in a world with so much discrimination its ######### nice to show that you are seen and you are respected.
Also it doesn't need to make interesting gameplay. DBD actually has tons and tons of story, shown by the tome and the lore sheets and all the cutscenes. They specifically put in time and money to write this and then later narrate it for the tome sheets. Also balancing and character design and story are not the same area of the team. If you have balance issues or bug issues take that to the balancing team and the bug fixers, not the character design team. Irdk what you mean in relation to anything else you've said with the last sentence (especially since you become about ten times more intellectual in that last sentence alone) but (assuming you are a straight cisgender person because that's certainly what you put across) you have never understood the need or want for representation in the respect of your identity but i think not wanting people not to care about what is being put across to a large community (which is that whilst up to speculation everyone is straight until explained otherwise) is a rather reductive mindset on your part.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1974937#Comment_1974937
There are people in here basically implying that people are being excluded from the game, or that by not being included they are by default excluded.
Lets just be clear nobody has been excluded from playing and most of the characters undisclosed sexuality. Some characters in the game right now have their sexualities up for debate for example everyone speculated about Nea.
As for “killers camping an LGBT survivor” that’s nonsense. You could make the case for killers camping minority characters but it doesn’t happen so I think that fear is unwarranted.
No one has said that, like at all.
That is very clear idk why you're acting like I'm saying we're being excluded at all...
I never mentioned a killer camping an LGBT survivor you're literally making stuff up wtaf? also that ######### does happen with minority characters but no one mentioned anything along those lines.
So to be clear you've thought of three random statements that no one has said and then tried to argue them to me for no reason? NGL it sounds like you're averse to an inclusive survivor just by your attitude.
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when i need a break I throw on pig and just have a friendly round, and let everyone boop the snoot.
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I wait in the gate to make sure my team mates are safe and because I want every last point from a match, survivor queues are long again you bet I'm milking every point out of the game.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1974924#Comment_1974924
Why do people act like the game has a “STRAIGHTS ONLY” banner slapped across its store page?
Nobody and I repeat NOBODY has ever been excluded from this game.
I was replying to the person saying isn't this the 'bury your gays' trope. I'm saying I wouldn't want to be excluded from murder because of my sexuality, and that's its fine because if everyone is being murdered equally it doesn't go along those lines...
why the offensive?
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I absolutely agree
As a gay trans man I've seen a lot of hate and just straight up #########-y opinions in my time about stuff like this but I'd honestly thought we'd moved past the point in the majority of the online community where we'd get people putting up comments like these. What's worse is these people would 100% know they couldn't say this stuff in person, but because they are behind a screen they are allowed to be as hateful as is possible. It really frustrates me. Idk why people find the idea of representation so upsetting but its frustrating asf.
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@Zenro said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1974912#Comment_1974912
What a weird thing to nit pick. You get the point.
sorry I just hate the whole idea of pink is girls blue is boys because it sets so many things in binary, more than just allowing people to express themselves it stretches a long way in being quite oppressive. I'd explain but I'm not in the mood to write a 2000 word essay on the off chance one or maybe two people might read it.
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@EvanSnowWolf said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1974563#Comment_1974563
They do not care about you.
AT ALL.
All the proof you need of that is to look at all the companies that change their Facebook profile pictures on June 1st and then dump them July 1st.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1974600#Comment_1974600
Doesn't this fall under the Bury Your Gays trope, since the Killers are literally going to be murdering them ad infinitum?
yeah but they are murdering everyone else equally. I don't want to be excluded from being murdered just because of my sexuality!
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@SirCracken said:
I find it weird that people care about this at all instead of the dozens of ways the game is going to break after the next patch.
"Sounds are still broken, the meta is still stagnant, the new maps are unbalanced and there's bugs out the ass in almost every game mechanic. But hey, the newest character might have my preferred sexuality!"
that's very closed mind of you. bet you're one of the people that complains about the team (of about 300 people) bringing out cosmetics (even though its not the bug fixers making the cosmetics). you're acting like people can either only care about being represented or the state of the game. Ultra BS.
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@Zenro said:
Okay so I think I have cracked the code on the new survivor and the hints they have been dropping. So they have yet to reveal the face of the new survivor? Why is that? But they reveal the body and not the face. I believe the face will be somewhat masculine. Also lets go on to the coloring of the Mightee 1 entertainment banner on their twitter. It is blue and pink fading together. Blue representing boy and pink representing girl. Mighty one. Like both coming together to be one. I really feel very strongly that this is the case. The killer on the other hand I have no idea about... Thoughts!?
or instead of being stereotypical we could think maybe the pink and blue represents the trans flag rather than girls and boys...
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@Johnny_XMan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1974038#Comment_1974038
When you frame your response with "It's a legitimate tactic" It is always going to sound like it is a balanced one. Camping can and is being abused by killers, like, I don't know why we are acting like this hasn't been a thing since the game first released.
I don't see how comparing the scenario I brought up (which is common in this game) with an predator irl is in any way shape or form relative?
This is a game with rules and it is supposed to be as balanced as possible, correct? If it's not then people will raise concern, much like this new player AND many other people have on these forums and other outlets where DBD discussions happen.
A killers goal is to the kill the survivors. Simply that (hence my predator analogy). I get there are people on both sides and one being a dick ruins the others fun but I think completing the objective is acceptable to a certain level. I don't see killers complaining when a survivor finishes a gen they chased someone off, they just know they didn't pressure well enough. Its something that can only be stopped by one's own actions, same as getting camped...
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I won't lie I'm guilty of this but I'm trying to farm the tome asap because doing challenges stresses me out.
I do the challenge and I get out the game if applicable.
I get it yeah it ruins people's experiences yadayada. But I'm just saying not everyone is being a pretty #########, just got places to be