New killer ability: Rewind time

fogdonkey

The killer can rewind time for a few seconds, everything what happened is undone: survivors run backwards, worked on gens lose progress, etc.

Imagine during a chase you can pull back a survivor by rewinding time.

They just finished a gen in front of you? Rewind time for a few seconds and catch the survs on the gen.

Chchchcheryl

Survivors get second chance perks, killers get a second chance killer

Seems fair and balanced to me 😭

Gamekeeper

You know, this could actually be really sick

we just gotta figure out a counterplay

JimboMason

aaaaah, its rewind time

Hyd

I wrote in-depth about abilities, perks, etc for a licensed Killer from Doctor Who, The Angel, that utilizes this kind of concept. Check it out below:

@Hyd said:

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Background:

I'll just give a brief overview as it will relate to DBD, but full details on this character as it's known in the show can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weeping_Angel

The Angel takes the form of an angelic stone statue covering their eyes while observed by someone (as if crying/weeping) and appears frightening like a vampire when attacking someone (see above pic). Weeping Angels can't move when being observed by someone but as soon as they are not being observed, they can move incredibly fast, almost as if teleporting. If they are allowed to touch/attack someone, they can send them back in time. They do this because they require a special energy to sustain themselves, and this energy is left behind by someone who gets sent back in time. Absorbing this Temporal Energy powers additional abilities outlined below. Angels don't merely exist in their physical form - because they are quantum beings, any visual representation of them can be manipulated to their advantage (i.e. a picture, a video, and even a mental image in someone's mind can come to life as a fully-powered Angel). Angels can also manipulate electronics to an extent, such as turning off lights in a room so a victim can't see them.

Movement Mechanics:

When the angel is being observed, they turn to stone and cannot move, but when unobserved, they appear normally (i.e. they lose the stone look) and can nearly teleport around at great speed, at all times covering their eyes, appearing as a very fast moving blur. This will be a completely new mechanic for the game so, how will it work? What does it mean to be "observed?" And how fast of movement are we talking here?

• Observed and Unobserved states: The Angel is considered to be Observed if any survivor is within physical line-of-sight of The Angel, AND, The Angel is within the survivor's camera view. The Angel is considered Unobserved if either of those qualifications is not met (additionally, the Survivor cannot being reparing/cleansing/healing/etc, as one cannot focus on doing those actions and also simultaneously keep an eye on The Angel). There is a distance limit as well, but it is quite generous. So, for example, if a Survivor is hiding behind something and using the camera to look around a corner or over some obstacle, The Angel will not be frozen because the Survivor doesn't have a physical line-of-sight on them.

Note: If this sounds like it can easily be exploited by just designating a Survivor to stare at The Angel and do nothing else the entire game, The Angel will have additional passive abilities to discourage this (see "Passive Abilities" section further down).

• Movement: While Unobserved, The Angel will have an impressive 10 m/s movement speed, greater than The Blight while rushing, and appears as a flickering, distorted blur. While Observed, The Angel turns to stone and cannot move at all.

Passive Abilities (some of these may end up better as perks, but for now...):

As this is not a typical Killer, The Angel will require some special passive abilities to level the playing field and bolster what would appear to be her primary weakness.

• Stone Sight: The aura of any Survivor currently observing The Angel is revealed to The Angel for the duration and continues for 1.5 seconds after they stop observing.
• In Your Mind's Eye: Staring at The Angel for too long begins to form a powerful mental image of The Angel in the Survivor's mind, which gradually manifests as a physical Angel clone within 5m nearby ALL Survivors that are observing The Angel. The Angel clone takes 6 seconds of observing by a Survivor to fully form, and when complete, The Angel can choose to instantly inhabit and take control of any clone, leaving a husk of itself as a clone where it stood. Any clones not controlled by the The Angel will notify The Angel when a Survivor looks at them, and reveal their aura for as long as they look. If not controlled by The Angel, clones will crumble to dust after 45 seconds. Alternately, The Angel can choose NOT to control a clone, and instead let out a bellowing shreak that emanates from the clones as well, causing any observing Survivor to look down in fear, giving The Angel a chance to escape.

Note: The 6-second observe time to form a clone does not need to be uninterrupted observation. If a Survivor looks away for a period of 4 seconds, the observe time will reset to 0, but if they look again before 4 seconds have passed, the observe time will continue to accumulate. This should hopefully counter any Survivor exploit intended to hold The Angel in-place without making any clones, either solo or with a coordinated team. As an additional defense against exploitation from Survivors who think they can escape by looking away and then looking again over and over very quickly, so as not to build up the observe time too quickly but still hold The Angel in-place, each action of looking away and then looking instantly adds 1 second to the observe time, so it becomes better to just keep looking and let the clone form or just run away.

• Stone Cold: The Angel does not have a heartbeat, and thus has a very small Terror Radius but can be heard moving about from a decent distance (sounds like a bunch of stones and pebbles being ground against each other) .
• Lights Out: Downed Survivors are terrified with fear and cannot bear to look at The Angel in order to stop her from picking them up or carrying them. They may still wiggle free though.

Power:

The core power of The Angel (and Weeping Angel in Dr. Who) is sending people back in time, so I'd somehow like to come up with a version of this that works in-game - how to implement such a power?

• Touched by an Angel: A 3-tier power which enables The Angel to send someone back in time with a successful Power Attack hit. Each tier is achieved by building up your Temporal Energy, which is done by successfully hitting players with the Basic Attack. The Angel begins in Tier 0, the default state with no accumulation of Temporal Energy, and a Power Attack here has no special properties, but it only requires 1 hit's worth of energy to get to Tier 1 and start sending people back in time. Upon being Power attacked, the Survivor is sent back in time by 5/10/15 seconds. Once Tier 3 is achieved, there will be a 60 second regression on the power before resetting to Tier 0.

Power Details (what does it mean to be "sent back in time?"):

There is some give and take here with this power in that it can benefit the Survivor in some cases, and benefit The Angel in others. Being sent back in time will do several things, including:

• An instant physical re-position of the Survivor to where they were X seconds ago
• A restoration of any status effects the Survivor had X seconds ago
• A reset of progress made on repairs, healing, etc to wherever it was X seconds ago (including completed generators and totems)
• A reset of any breakables if they were not broken X seconds ago

Some example scenarios:

• (Assume Tier 1) The Angel comes upon a Survivor repairing a generator and whacks them immediately, the generator was at 50%. Since the Survivor was repairing the gen 5 seconds ago, they aren't physically re-located, but the generator reverts back to whatever progress had been made at that point.
• (Assume Tier 2) The Angel uses a Basic Attack on a full health Survivor, injuring them, then follows up with a Power Attack. The Survivor is physically re-located to where they were 10 seconds ago, AND, since they weren't injured then, they are back at full health status.
• (Assume Tier 3) (This is one of the more interesting scenarios imo) A hooked Survivor is pulled off the hook by a team mate. After a brief chase (less than 15 seconds), The Angel catches up and whacks them with a Power Attack, sending them back (you guessed it) on the hook, with the hook progress being whatever it was at the time. (keep in mind that because this is Tier 3, The Angel only has this Tier for 60 seconds, so, pulling this off should be pretty hard considering everything else The Angel would have to deal with).

Perks:

• Blind Obsession: Survivors that enjoy looking at The Angel a little too much will eventually become blinded by the sight of one. After 5/4/3 Angel clones are created by a given Survivor, the next time that Survivor sets eyes on The Angel, an Angel clone will take only 2 seconds to manifest, and if The Angel takes control of it, the Survivor is completely blinded for 2 seconds and cannot freeze The Angel. The clone count for that Survivor resets after The Angel utilizes this perk.
• Voices of the Dead: The consciousness and image of any Survivor that is sacrificed (or killed by other means) becomes available to The Angel as an apparition to use for their own purpose. 1/2/3 apparitions (for each dead Survivor) can be placed around the map like traps that will scream when another Survivor comes too close to them, revealing the aura of the Survivor. Apparitions can be destroyed without alerting them if a Survivor crouches over to disable them.
• Temporal Shift: While The Angel is frozen in-place by a Survivor with Tier 3-worth of Temporal Energy, complete 4/3/2 Great Skill Checks immediately one-after-another in order to send the observing Survivor(s) back in time by 4/6/8 seconds. Succeeding all Skill Checks consumes 1.5/1/0.5 Tier's-worth of Temporal Energy. Failing a skill check will consume 2.5/2/1.5 Tier's-worth of Temporal Energy.

Mori Offering:

• Kiss of Death: The Angel stands over the Survivor who is face down, grabbing the back of their head with one hand, and violently gouging out their eyes with the other hand. The Angel then flips them over for a kiss, completely absorbing their Temporal Energy, turning them to stone and then bursting them into dust with a crushing stomp.

One final thing...

Quantum Realm: The Angel's own "timey-wimey-wibbly-wobbly" realm (similar to Spirit, Freddy, etc)

This could probably be utilized for a number of things, and initially I didn't think it'd be necessary until I got to the very end of this post and thought to myself, "Wait, if Survivors can freeze The Angel, how will the act of carrying a Survivor over to a hook work if other Survivors are watching?" My only way out of that predicament was to include a Quantum Realm for this Killer where The Angel can be safe from being frozen while carrying a Survivor. There may be better alternatives than this (for example, we could implement something similar to Pyramid Head's cage mechanic) but this is what I've come up with so far hehe.

Conclusion:

Obviously, any of what I've come up with - the abilities themselves, any of the numbers I've set for things, etc - is all just a starting point and up for alteration for whatever reason (i.e. too OP, not powerful enough, etc). It's really hard to know just how something will play and how fair or unfair it might be just simply listing these things out as text, so, I tried my best!

I think this Killer would be pretty frickin cool and different from anything else. Actually, there are lots of characters from Dr. Who that would make great and interesting Killers in DBD ("The Silence" comes to mind...).

Any feedback is appreciated!

EDITS:

12/1/2020: Added Quantum Shift ability as an additional perk or passive to consider

Quantum Shift: The first time any Survivor looks at The Angel, The Angel will immediately be presented with a very difficult skill check. If The Angel succeeds, they will automatically teleport to within 5m of the Survivor. 45s cooldown. (Note: Due to the Stone Sight passive ability and how quickly this teleport will occur, The Angel will likely have the full 1.5s leftover aura reveal on that Survivor)

IWasLeft2Die

That honestly feels very easy to be unbalanced. I like the idea but doubt that it ill be it since survivors would very quickly raise hell about it. It would be fun as killer for sure but as a survivor it would be miserable in a lot of ways

Shaped

Imagine being close to finishing a gen and realising you didn't even started.

Fog_King

I can't see it working, at least not the way it is described. It would be terrible to be a survivor, finish a gen and bam, power and you are back to not having the gen fixed and the killer is not there to either grab you or hit you and destroy the progress you had. If time was rewinded, at least that should happen for the killer too, so he/she would be at the same place they were before and not able to move foward in time when everything else is moving backwards.

fogdonkey

It would rewind time only by a few seconds, so maybe it could bring back a fully repaired gen only to 95% if immediately rewinded when the gen is finished. If the killer is far away it will not help.

SilentPill

Rewind survivors back onto the hook

[Deleted User]

I highly doubt they could pull that off in this game engine.

Regress a generator? Sure. Actually rewind in game events? Not a chance.

fogdonkey

Yeah, it would be hard to implement to rewind everything. And probably would introduce so many bugs like never so far.

[Deleted User]

Honestly given that the track rewinds at 3.19 I figured that was just going to be the killer's release date.

PTB, couple weeks and such and that would put it right around then.....but maybe I am over thinking it.

DemonDaddy

I couldn't imagine devs giving a killer that kind of power. Even if they did it wouldn't be worth it because survivors aren't allowed to be overly pressured.

Mat_Sella

Oh no! i hit the survivor with borrowed time...NOT ANYMORE!

voorheesgt

Anyone else think this killer is just going to be "fix" for rubber banding?

Survivor: "Whoa! I just got teleported back 10 feet... Neat power"

Killer: "#########! Why is my power randomly activating throughout the match?"

Saltjar34

KILLER QUEEN'S THIRD BOMB! BITES THE DUST!

So here's a fun fact, rewinding time is possible in multiplayer games. It's literally Kira's ultimate attack in Eyes of Heaven and All Star Battle. Problem is, this in a fighting game where there are 4 characters that have an extreme power up at some point in the match which is why rewinding time has a purpose there but that's not all. It is a fighting game and rewinding time meant that you can just re-achieve whatever you lost in a few seconds if you're good at combos.

In DbD, it takes 80 seconds to achieve an objective and approximately 30 seconds to find and chase a survivor. Rewinding time would be very punishing for both sides with survivors being affected the most. Plus what extreme power up will you be preventing? MoM? Flip-Flop? Look, I want Yoshikage Kira in DbD but this isn't how.

IWFreak

@Hyd said:

I wrote in-depth about abilities, perks, etc for a licensed Killer from Doctor Who, The Angel, that utilizes this kind of concept. Check it out below:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/208641/new-killer-the-angel-weeping-angel-from-dr-who

My guy, this sounds so much like The Fallen (hope I'm right with the name) from the game Damned. That would be an awesome idea tho.

onemind

I wonder of it's going to be like identity v phrotroghapher killer that can pause time in a different dimension and enter their world and do half the damage when time resumes

Imagine deep wound but you can't mend if healthy you get injured and gens that were kicked explode for half the regression and contine to regress if not being worked on hooking a surivor in this world getting hooked will down the surivor when the world goes back

Zeus

The way I see it, if it's a time rewind killer, he will rewind time for a maximum of 3-5 s with maybe a 60s cooldown. Idea is to force survivors to make a second read in a loop if he makes a right read the first time. Making it too spammy would start to get frustrating for survivors.

Also I'm not sure if it's possible to code this is a multiplayer environment

SilentPill

@Zeus said:

The way I see it, if it's a time rewind killer, he will rewind time for a maximum of 3-5 s with maybe a 60s cooldown. Idea is to force survivors to make a second read in a loop if he makes a right read the first time. Making it too spammy would start to get frustrating for survivors.

Also I'm not sure if it's possible to code this is a multiplayer environment

There’s no way they would rewind time in general, probably just rewind the players locations.

They have demonstrated it’s possible because a nurse addon already does it

Zeus

@SilentPill said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1977494#Comment_1977494

There’s no way they would rewind time in general, probably just rewind the players locations.

They have demonstrated it’s possible because a nurse addon already does it

Players location is what I was trying to mean. It's more of a second chance in loops than having to rewind gens.

Irisora

That would be extremely hard to code.. for not saying imposible in an online game, but without a doubt it would be very interesting.