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Went live and almost immediately had changes to her power. Coincidental?purebalance said:@Carpemortum said:
Lol not even 12 hours and people think he can be ranked appropriately XD. Hes going to have tweaks, and hes going to require REAL play time to get used to him. Bring this topic up in a week, maybe.LOL Spirit went live without changing what needed to be changed. You're worse than the people thinking lore is going to change due to ptrs on WoW. His overall mechanics are not changing. He can easily be ranked after 12 hours of play.
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Neither is ANY killer. Because I'm also assuming by optimal survivors you're meaning SWF.iTz_KilLaZ_x said:
This isn’t a complex game lol. He isn’t that strong against optimal survivor teams.Carpemortum said:
It's been out less than 12 hours you cannot say it is or isnt strong yet. People havent figured out how to utilize them properly. But it's definitely not a pig 2.0.... come on.iTz_KilLaZ_x said:
I know that. I’m just making a point that the power isn’t that strong.Khalednazari said:Mending ≠ Healing
So you cannot compare them. Mending is like snapping out / waking up.
Even if not, "optimal survivors" can wreck any killer. Just as any killer can wreck complete garbage survivors. That's not the point.
The point is they havent been out NEARLY long enough to try to accurately place their tier, or utilize them properly, 100%. Not to mention after the ptb goes on, they will likely tweak them for better or worse, so speculation on their viability in game is in no way accurate.
Two different top posts say theyre:
A- Nurse Tier
B- Below Freddy
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Surveillance....is based on regression.
Discordance...is based on progression.
Pair them together maybe?
Distortion paired with OoO?
Gonna be fun.
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Yeah likely will either have them on release, or just release the other 2 masks (1 male 1 female) to fit the bodies, as DLC shortly after. But since theres 4 people in the lore, I'd wager theyd give them free or unlockable.redsopine01 said:Guys this is a 4 person killer they only got 2 cosmetics out of 4 right now is all look at the teaser at the names with scorebords -
Well, its legion, as in referencing the demon? So they all occupy the same body/take on the role (I havent got to read the backstory), but I'm pretty sure its 4 not 2. 4 names remember? Maybe just blood for 2? Or since its 2 male 2 female the masks change who and the body changes to fit? So 4 wouldnt be needed.Orion said:@JanTheMan said:
I don't get it so there is two different killers?Two people who are the same Killer. Like in Scream.
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Wondering why someone hasnt gone into a kyf and idk, waited 3 mins to see?Khalednazari said:
We really don't know if Breakdown permanently destroys the hook. I really doubt that it would. It will most probably behave like a sabotaged hook and respawn in 180 seconds.Really? Thats insanely OP. Especially when stacked, its like the sabo meta without sabo. -
It's been out less than 12 hours you cannot say it is or isnt strong yet. People havent figured out how to utilize them properly. But it's definitely not a pig 2.0.... come on.iTz_KilLaZ_x said:
I know that. I’m just making a point that the power isn’t that strong.Khalednazari said:Mending ≠ Healing
So you cannot compare them. Mending is like snapping out / waking up.
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Lol not even 12 hours and people think he can be ranked appropriately XD. Hes going to have tweaks, and hes going to require REAL play time to get used to him. Bring this topic up in a week, maybe.
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Oh wow really? I mean to be fair they block shock, and there is now a perk that specifically identifies locker leaves, so it's not terribly broken. I also think this will help with the people who RELY on bbq, and dont use it as a supplement.thesuicidefox said:"Hiding inside of lockers now blocks the auras of Survivors while they are inside."
So when someone goes down just hide in a locker until 4 seconds after they are hooked. EZ.
I'm okay with this change actually. As someone who plays both sides
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Hes as fast as hag, who is a m1 killer after her traps go off, but you're upset that he has a slight stun and "cant down"? His power is for pressure, and chasing people out of their safe zones. Every power doesnt have to be a downing mechanic. If you can get 4ks as hag without teleporting fo traps (which isnt hard), I dont see the complaint with this killer, except that hes not super overpowered enough?iTz_KilLaZ_x said:
I agree. The movement speed along with having a power that just delays, makes the legion rather weak in my opinionLink said:To sum it all up imo this killer has an interesting way of applying pressure but he lacks the ability to down which is obviously an important thing to have.
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I was watching the kings video on the new killer, and it looked like he was not getting kicked out of frenzy hitting the same guy over and over, but maybe I saw wrong. It still allows you to put pressure on the body blockers, and vault fast enough to follow through on someone after inciting chaos.ad19970 said:@Carpemortum said:
I'm assuming this is bait. Considering his power let's him vault faster and chain attacks with reduced attack cd....but ok. Rant away.I think the problem right now is that it's very hard to down survivors with the new killer, unnecessarily hard maybe. Because while in frenzy mode, you will need four hits to down a survivor. So it might be good against looping, but actually downing survivors is a different story. Also, every time you hit someone in frenzy who already has the deep wound status effect, you get thrown out of the frenzy and get quite a long stun, long enough for survivors to gain quite a bit of distance. So then if you hit a survivor two times while in frenzy you'll either activate frenzy again, hit the same enemy, get stunned, wait till you have your frenzy back and then hit the survivor a fourth time during the next frenzy, or you just chase him normally after wounding, however, chasing a survivor with 110% speed without using the killers ability is not very effective.
I think though he'll be very hard to balance. But we also should still wait and see if this killer really needs a buff or not. If yes, it probably won't be easy. The fact that he can pretty much ignore the two defenses survivors have against a killer, vaults and pallets, will make him hard to buff since he could easily be overbuffed.
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Are you serious right now? I know how looping works. And it usually involves windows or pallets to lengthen. Dont be a dick about it. Look at sesame street and see if you can figure out how not being an ######### works.Orion said:@Carpemortum said:
Problem is against good loopers? His power let's him fast vault.That's not how looping works. Look at a race track and see if you can figure out how looping works.
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Problem is against good loopers? His power let's him fast vault.Might_Oakk said:@Carpemortum said:
I'm assuming this is bait. Considering his power let's him vault faster and chain attacks with reduced attack cd....but ok. Rant away.The problem is that his power isn't used to down survivors. Hitting players with the power is very easy. The problem is vs good loopers you are just a powerless 110% killer chasing a wounded survivor.
Im sure it will be tweaked. Maybe stun time reduced post frenzy could help.
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I feel like his powers will take getting used to, to completely utilize them. But yeah, after a few hours of people never playing him we can be sure hes weak....BigBubs said:@Carpemortum said:
BigBubs said:Spirit ofc lol
It's been on PTB for not even a full day. It's impossible to say....considering they will likely tweak him before release.
Isn't a new killer supposed to be kinda harder to play against when they are new? Seems like a lot don't struggle against Legion as much as they do against spirit even thought she is out for a while now.
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Being notified two people are on a gen seems like a help in slowing down gens. Or am I insane?
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I'm assuming this is bait. Considering his power let's him vault faster and chain attacks with reduced attack cd....but ok. Rant away.
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It's been on PTB for not even a full day. It's impossible to say....considering they will likely tweak him before release.BigBubs said:Spirit ofc lol
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No? I dont have issues with games going on forever. If I commit to a hatch standoff, that's on me. Usually I hide and work on gens for points without standing still on a hole for 20 mins. Usually it ends in a chase and death, but sometimes you get that last gen done and get out.SpongeBob420Pants said:@Carpemortum said:
SpongeBob420Pants said:@Carpemortum said:
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@Carpemortum said: SpongeBob420Pants said:
@Carpemortum said: SpongeBob420Pants said:
@Carpemortum said: SpongeBob420Pants said:
Remove the key item from the game and make the hatch spawn open as soon as 1 survivor is left regardless of generator completion.
- Make it so the last survivor automatically has the exposed status effect.
Make it so the area around the hatch maybe 10 meters (number can be played around with) is a "safe" zone, in which the last survivor while in the zone no longer suffers exposed and the killer can't grab the survivor out of the hatch.
This change would make hatch play much better and the killer would still have a 50/50 at getting the last survivor.
Until the survivor sits on hatch teabagging until you decide to walk away...
Ya, just like the exit gate.
Which isnt fixing a problem exactly....if they cant be grabbed or one downed near the hatch, they're gonna troll around until you commit, step in, get hit, run out heal, troll, or just dance. It's a better idea than just removing it, but I dont think it would work. If they cant be grabbed, make them stay exposed. Make them commit and just go for it. Dont give more safe spaces to an already problematic situation.
When there's 1 survivor left they can't do gens, that's why the hatch exists, if it didn't the game would take to long. I don't know why your complaining about trolling, survivors can do that at the exit gate anyway.
Cant do gens? No, that's bs. They refused to. That's the problem. If 3 gens are close at the end it's the survivors fault, true, but that doesnt mean they should say "eh I dont wanna try working on gens I'm last lemme just find the hatch".
You can, and I have, done generators as the last alive and escaped. I've also had survivors do it to me while I patrolled the hatch.
Having more than 1 gen to complete as the last survivor is a losing fight that requires stealth and drags the game on, the hatch exists so that the last survivor doesn't have to try and complete 4 gens by themselves.
Well, if 4 gens werent done, theyd have to complete at least 1 alone regardless.
Also, its not a completely lost fight. You have perks to assist in this, stealth as a gameplay option, and you're assuming that 1 gen is done with a 3k. Imo the killer is doing his job and the 4th got into that situation by not already doing work.
If a killer gets 3 dead, and the last person has 4 gens left to go, the killer already won. In a game where 2/2 is balanced, you cant EVER expect or deserve to escape. So when you're in this 1 survivor 4 gens to go situation, or even 1 gen to go....do what you can, and earn points. Try to evade the killer, and heighten your game.
The survivor should have to, or at least want to get work done. Otherwise it promotes the mindset of "well technically all I have to do is outlast those 3 and find the hatch" which in turn gets people doing less work, and when found in the described situation, cry about how theres no hope.
LOL, no buddy. people already play bad and expect their team to do 2 gens and die so that they can get hatch.
I've complained about it myself in these forums. The change to the hatch I suggested is simply to improve the hatch fight and make it a race instead of a standoff.
Lol, no buddy, after playing both sides, and seen plenty of complaints about it, I still dont think it would work.
Simple solution would be to remove it and not let anyone be entitled to a 4k/escape but god forbid people actually do gens instead of hiding and trolling for the better part of 15 mins.
Promote better gameplay, dont handicap things. If neither person wants to give in to a "hatch standoff" then let them waste their time.
Also, I didnt even mention the hatch spawning regardless of gens. If it spawns with 0/1 done you dont think more people will be trying to get their team killed first?
Again, its never unwinnable, just heavily stacked.
If they removed the hatch the game would drag on and be too slow, a problem you seem to have.
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Dude, everything hes saying is fair, and if you even had an arguement, you dont now because you've basically reduced to "I'm not listening to what you say blah blah blah".Wolf74 said:Wow... you are hiding a lot behind your favorite phrases… "logical fallacy" ..."straw man"...
Maybe you should just change your nickname to Red Herring?
You are very fast to claim something "disproven" if you do not agree.
Guess what? Your not Judge Dredd, you are not the law.
Just because you said so, doesn't make anything true by default.
He responded to your points, even quoted you asking to be quoted on something, and you just....bash him and compare him to a comic book character? Cmon man. -
Freddy doesnt. He just has his...hand....
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Actually, no, the devs stated they had intended to have it, but they didnt have time/resources to do that AND kyf on release, and decided having kyf at start would be a better option.Wolf74 said:To all those that see it as a valid argument that the Devs said "SWF was intended from the beginning": this true, but it's also true that the Devs did NOT implemented it into the game from the beginning, because they KNEW it was unbalanced and they had no clue how to balance it.
Than the (survivor) player FORCED it into the game, by reviewbombing the game and the Devs caved in.Talking about false narratives; this is one.
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But they cant make you play any way. You can still play solo. Other people may play with friends but if you're a killer it doesnt matter, food is food. Yeah it may be harder, but is every game expected to be easy? That would defeat the purpose.Rebel_Raven said:@Carpemortum said:
Rebel_Raven said:@Carpemortum said:
Rebel_Raven said:
If I can't detect and/or dodge SWFs, I'm going full survivor main, aside from rituals, until the majority of SWFs I run into get the hooks out of their asses, and stop trying for ultra efficient gen rushes, being toxic, and BM, and generally intent on making sure I don't have fun, and/or I get compensated for the difficulty spike.
I suspect I'm going full survivor main for a while since I have low expectations on them upsetting the survivors by doing anything concerning SWFs except make it easier for them to get matches. Killers can probably go screw themselves.
I'll figure out how to detect SWFs again if needed. If survivors that aren't SWF get dodged, I'm not bothered. No, I don't have fun with the difficulty spike, them getting an easier game while they make mine harder, them getting free perks if not breaking the game, and so forth. I didn't sign on to fight coordinated teams. The game isn't balanced for it. It's not worth the effort. The only person who controls your fun is you. Dont let it get to you. Take it as a challenge and get better. Not every game has to be hard or easy to be fun. It's a game. If you want an easy game, try civilization? I hear Its great. Secondly, you didnt sign on for anything other than an asymmetrical horror pvp game. 1v4 whether doorknob survivors you can straight line chase or well coordinated swf, is asymmetrical.
Also, saying that if non swf get dodged, you're not bothered, literally says you dont care if someones alone or swf, it sucks to be them, because you only want solo games?
Yeah, and I listed what I don't find fun.
People casually getting together to curbstomp me isn't my idea of fun.
It's akin to if the game had a survivor that was helping the killer out by telling them where the other survivors are, and actively sandbagging them so the killer wins. The game isn't balanced for that sort of thing, because this game isn't balanced for that level of communication at all, be it between survivors, or survivor and killer.
And I signed up for an anti-social multiplayer game because of this excerpt from an interview:
"It’s anti-social multiplayer where survivors have to collaborate and cooperate up to a certain point. The old saying is that you don’t need to be fast than the killer, you just need to be faster than your friends. Whereas the people playing as the killer, they just need to straight up murder everyone.
Read more at https://www.mmorpg.com/dead-by-daylight/interviews/dead-by-daylight-twitchcon-2018-interview-1000013188#zDDyuobkIwyroQCc.99 "
SWFs are very social, you see. Goes against what the spirit of the game is.
So, yeah. I want to vs 4 strangers. If they win, they win. If they die they die. I don't care. I don't care if they're on par with Monto, Noob3, HybridPanda, or any other streamer so long as they're not communicating.
People get what they give. I'm not seeing survivors, solo or otherwise generally doing much of anything to make sure the killer gets a fair shake, or fun, nor do they generally play that way. That said, I don't care much if solos get caught in the crossfire, and I'm prepared to suffer the same because I -only- solo.
Gives me some satisfaction that the worst a killer gets from the lobby is me, and an Ed, Edd, and Eddy.
If you've followed my posting habbits, I generally don't complain about much, but I'll stand up for killers, and survivors alike to an extent.
You picked up the game because of an interview held during the halloween event? I call bull.
I picked it up because it was free.
HOWEVER!
I -hate- PVP with a burning passion so I didn't play it immediately because, obviously it's all PVP.
Also I watched some early early play and it was way different, and didn't appeal so much.I researched more. I found the interview, and yes, that was what gave me momentum to play the game.
Most PVP is heavily team based, and I hadn't played much in the way of asymmetrical games.
Anti-social? Interesting!
Hey, I'm not going to be expected to talk to anyone!
I'm not going to be expected to be a part of a social team which will generally demand me go along with meta!
They can't [BAD WORD] tell me how to play because we can't communicate! I can play how I want! FREEDOM!!!
Finally! Lets do it!I started the game, and played my first game as Huntress, and kinda fell in love.
I read up on Min, and saw she was sort of a lone wolf objective do-er, and tried her. I liked survivor, too!
And it was PVP. Blew my mind.
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You picked up the game because of an interview held during the halloween event? I call bull.Rebel_Raven said:@Carpemortum said:
Rebel_Raven said:If I can't detect and/or dodge SWFs, I'm going full survivor main, aside from rituals, until the majority of SWFs I run into get the hooks out of their asses, and stop trying for ultra efficient gen rushes, being toxic, and BM, and generally intent on making sure I don't have fun, and/or I get compensated for the difficulty spike.
I suspect I'm going full survivor main for a while since I have low expectations on them upsetting the survivors by doing anything concerning SWFs except make it easier for them to get matches. Killers can probably go screw themselves.I'll figure out how to detect SWFs again if needed. If survivors that aren't SWF get dodged, I'm not bothered.
No, I don't have fun with the difficulty spike, them getting an easier game while they make mine harder, them getting free perks if not breaking the game, and so forth.
I didn't sign on to fight coordinated teams. The game isn't balanced for it. It's not worth the effort.
The only person who controls your fun is you. Dont let it get to you. Take it as a challenge and get better. Not every game has to be hard or easy to be fun. It's a game. If you want an easy game, try civilization? I hear Its great.
Secondly, you didnt sign on for anything other than an asymmetrical horror pvp game. 1v4 whether doorknob survivors you can straight line chase or well coordinated swf, is asymmetrical.
Also, saying that if non swf get dodged, you're not bothered, literally says you dont care if someones alone or swf, it sucks to be them, because you only want solo games?
Yeah, and I listed what I don't find fun.
People casually getting together to curbstomp me isn't my idea of fun.
It's akin to if the game had a survivor that was helping the killer out by telling them where the other survivors are, and actively sandbagging them so the killer wins. The game isn't balanced for that sort of thing, because this game isn't balanced for that level of communication at all, be it between survivors, or survivor and killer.And I signed up for an anti-social multiplayer game because of this excerpt from an interview:
"It’s anti-social multiplayer where survivors have to collaborate and cooperate up to a certain point. The old saying is that you don’t need to be fast than the killer, you just need to be faster than your friends. Whereas the people playing as the killer, they just need to straight up murder everyone.
Read more at https://www.mmorpg.com/dead-by-daylight/interviews/dead-by-daylight-twitchcon-2018-interview-1000013188#zDDyuobkIwyroQCc.99 "
SWFs are very social, you see. Goes against what the spirit of the game is.
So, yeah. I want to vs 4 strangers. If they win, they win. If they die they die. I don't care. I don't care if they're on par with Monto, Noob3, HybridPanda, or any other streamer so long as they're not communicating.People get what they give. I'm not seeing survivors, solo or otherwise generally doing much of anything to make sure the killer gets a fair shake, or fun, nor do they generally play that way. That said, I don't care much if solos get caught in the crossfire, and I'm prepared to suffer the same because I -only- solo.
Gives me some satisfaction that the worst a killer gets from the lobby is me, and an Ed, Edd, and Eddy.If you've followed my posting habbits, I generally don't complain about much, but I'll stand up for killers, and survivors alike to an extent.
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No, they said you MAY see all join at once. Because of how it pools together people. Did you just not read what was posted and just get riled up over not dodging swf?purebalance said:@Carpemortum said:
purebalance said:@Mc_Harty said:
The only thing I got outta of this thread was @purebalance thinking that business should treat their customers as children with all these family comparisons.
Weird then I guess you don't support the change right? That's what I'm getting out of this. Either you support the change and SWF should have never been made since they're treating killers like children with the change or you don't support the change and they shouldn't be treating either like children.
The joining at once was a SIDE EFFECT of getting quicker lobbies. Its not a conspiracy to prevent killers that are afraid of swf from dodging.
Except it isn't. They literally said you will see all 4 at once and said nothing about the lobby filling instantly due to what they did. All that says is the new plan is to hold all of the survivors in limbo until it's formed. You're making up nonsense now which makes sense since you can't seem to use logic.
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Devs said no more licensed until this roadmap which has its last release in spring. So it's not licensed....and Legion is also a demon, concept, supervillain, mythos, etc. A movie may have used it but it doesnt mean that's the source material.douggie123 said:I think I may be the first to have done this but i think the new killer is licensed. My reason for this is because I searched the legion and it's an actual movie and what do you know the guy in the movie has schizophrenia. Look on Google. -
Thread closed.Sheldor said:If you have 27 minutes to spare doing an idiotic standoff like this then you should not come here complaining about it. You wanted it this way - you got it. You could easily have ended it by hitting once and letting her go but you decided to play along. No mercy whatsoever....
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The joining at once was a SIDE EFFECT of getting quicker lobbies. Its not a conspiracy to prevent killers that are afraid of swf from dodging.purebalance said:@Mc_Harty said:
The only thing I got outta of this thread was @purebalance thinking that business should treat their customers as children with all these family comparisons.Weird then I guess you don't support the change right? That's what I'm getting out of this. Either you support the change and SWF should have never been made since they're treating killers like children with the change or you don't support the change and they shouldn't be treating either like children.
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Yeah I dont get it. A buddy of mine will hunt down totems every game, but if he finds ruin running hell just tap the generator and waste more time than looking for the totem.KingB said:I don't understand the complaints about Gen tapping. I've been playing since right before the huntress came out and I've seen it maybe twice. If Gen tapping causes an explosion of you tap it twice within 5-7 seconds rip freddy.
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The green people may be a 2 man swf? The ping may be because of the broader geolocation algorithm, but all in all, relatively the same games, just faster?steezo_de said:I'm sure I'm part of that small group of people that are using this new algorithm before it gets pushed to the next playerbase tier. I'm saying this because where I used to wait 5-10 minute for queues, I'm now getting them in under 2. The problem I'm getting is that a good portion of those games have higher than normal pings to survivors as well as the miscellaneous green rankers in my red lobby. I do appreciate the faster lobby times tho.
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The only person who controls your fun is you. Dont let it get to you. Take it as a challenge and get better. Not every game has to be hard or easy to be fun. It's a game. If you want an easy game, try civilization? I hear Its great.Rebel_Raven said:If I can't detect and/or dodge SWFs, I'm going full survivor main, aside from rituals, until the majority of SWFs I run into get the hooks out of their asses, and stop trying for ultra efficient gen rushes, being toxic, and BM, and generally intent on making sure I don't have fun, and/or I get compensated for the difficulty spike.
I suspect I'm going full survivor main for a while since I have low expectations on them upsetting the survivors by doing anything concerning SWFs except make it easier for them to get matches. Killers can probably go screw themselves.
I'll figure out how to detect SWFs again if needed. If survivors that aren't SWF get dodged, I'm not bothered.
No, I don't have fun with the difficulty spike, them getting an easier game while they make mine harder, them getting free perks if not breaking the game, and so forth.
I didn't sign on to fight coordinated teams. The game isn't balanced for it. It's not worth the effort.
Secondly, you didnt sign on for anything other than an asymmetrical horror pvp game. 1v4 whether doorknob survivors you can straight line chase or well coordinated swf, is asymmetrical.
Also, saying that if non swf get dodged, you're not bothered, literally says you dont care if someones alone or swf, it sucks to be them, because you only want solo games? -
Rd1 online was also a decade ago. So theres that. And 100% campaign is the easy part dude!ItsYourBoyGuzma said:
First of all I never said i 100% RDR2, I said "im 100% it.. " as in doing everything in the campaign.Carpemortum said:
You couldnt have 100% it. You dont have online trophies yetItsYourBoyGuzma said:@DarkWo1f997 said:
dude is a total badass. Gunna main him from day one. DBD is the only game that will be able to actually drag me away from Red Dead Redemption 2.the only reason why im leaving RDR2 to play DBD is because i beat it last week and im 100% it and doing everything takes a lot out of ya, but other than that RDR2 is a blast
.Also, online drops this week, sooo, are you sure about coming back to DBD? Lol.
Screw Online trophies, rdr1 online was okay but the campaign , side quests, and hunting straight destroy online
Rdr2 online is likely to be more akin to gta online, but more polished and mechanically sound. I need to finish my side challenges before it happens because I'll never look back at sp. -
I find hanging from a hook through the heart and walking away unrealistic, but it is what it is lol.DwightsLifeMatters said:
Really? You don't find them looking unrealistic? I would prefer either a little rework of the dripping to look realistic or just completely removing it (by choice maybe)Mister_xD said:i am really surprised when ppl say the prestige skins would look bad tbh...
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Silent bell is far from useless. Couple it with all seeing blood or the 6 seconds of no TR and the outline wont even matter.douggie123 said:This also kind of leads to some of his add-ons being useless such as the silent bell. -
So dont walk straight towards them? Try going around jungle gyms and trees as cover. Or get positioned and sit still so when THEY leave you are in position. If you're following someone cloaked, chase style, you're going to be seen XD.douggie123 said:I love playing him but as I am walking over to survivors they see my outline and they're gone and sprint burst, balanced landing users and lithe users are the worst for it. -
Except, I said his arguement about it coming out as a response was invalid, BECAUSE they had intended it. So...yeah....powerbats said:@purebalance said:
It 100% is not invalid. They hadn't implemented it and SAW that they were dodging to get grouped. The response to that which would be similar to this is that they cannot see who is in their lobby rather than implement it to reward them.
That's like a parent who planned to give their kids ice cream and instead the kids raid the freezer. You don't as a parent reward that.
So argument is 100% valid.
So something that was planned but didn't make it in time for release but was implemented shortly afterwards is invalid because you say it is? That logic I mean I can say all your posts are invalid because I say they are, which btw is the flat earthers logic.
Also the parents wouldn't have given them ice cream the same night but would've done so further down the road.so both your arguments are invalid and now you're arguing just to argue knowing you have no argument anymore.
Ad Arguendo.
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No, they stated it was always intended but didnt have time on release. They released it at a time when you may have seen people dodging, so its coincidental. Correlation does not mean causation.purebalance said:@Carpemortum said:
purebalance said:@Visionmaker said:
@Master said: @DwightsLifeMatters said: Lol funny, the killer main community was asking since years to give them an indication that they face swf groups to equip themselves better for it (others just simply dodge). However, the last indication they had is gone. Whatever, I think as a solo I can benefit from that in the long run. I got dodged a lot of times just for the reason that I joined the looby simultaneously with other randoms. The question is whether it is desireable to give no indication for SWF at all.
As long as DCing isnt punished properly, killers last resort is a DC vs SWF
Well, you can answer it yourself. What does the matchmaking change aim to achieve: equalized queue times or killers' desire to exclusively play versus 4 solos?
Given that it removes the killer's ability to abuse lobby dodging to avoid SWF (but still not any other reason like dodging lobbies with survivors using too many items, having too many hours, having troll-y names, streamers, wearing paid cosmetics, using certain characters, etc.), I think it is fair to address last second switching next.
So when survivors lobby dodged to ENSURE they got with their friends SWF was created. When killers dodge to avoid them they stop it.
SWF was intended from the start....so....arguement invalid.
It 100% is not invalid. They hadn't implemented it and SAW that they were dodging to get grouped. The response to that which would be similar to this is that they cannot see who is in their lobby rather than implement it to reward them.
That's like a parent who planned to give their kids ice cream and instead the kids raid the freezer. You don't as a parent reward that.
So argument is 100% valid.
The arguement was that they invented SWF to fix the lobby dodging friends. Which is a 100%invalid arguement. -
SWF was intended from the start....so....arguement invalid.purebalance said:@Visionmaker said:
@Master said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Lol funny, the killer main community was asking since years to give them an indication that they face swf groups to equip themselves better for it (others just simply dodge).
However, the last indication they had is gone.
Whatever, I think as a solo I can benefit from that in the long run. I got dodged a lot of times just for the reason that I joined the looby simultaneously with other randoms.The question is whether it is desireable to give no indication for SWF at all.
As long as DCing isnt punished properly, killers last resort is a DC vs SWFWell, you can answer it yourself. What does the matchmaking change aim to achieve: equalized queue times or killers' desire to exclusively play versus 4 solos?
Given that it removes the killer's ability to abuse lobby dodging to avoid SWF (but still not any other reason like dodging lobbies with survivors using too many items, having too many hours, having troll-y names, streamers, wearing paid cosmetics, using certain characters, etc.), I think it is fair to address last second switching next.
So when survivors lobby dodged to ENSURE they got with their friends SWF was created. When killers dodge to avoid them they stop it.
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Except not everyone is on the same system or even on pc? Kyf is there, go play non flashlight non mori games there, where fake rules can be enforced?SenzuDuck said:@Carpemortum said:
So you're really saying people dont run moris in normal games that often? I see moris AND flashlights all the time. 2/4 survivors carry them.
Maybe dont take PTB seriously to where moris bother you? You're not earning or losing a thing there. It's literally to test EVERYTHING with the new killer/survivor.
Ntm, if the PTB is so toxic, why not just, idk, not play in it and let the people who want to see the moris and flashlights do it? You're not forced to.
I am 100% not bothered by what happens in PTBs (I never actually said I was) but I'm also not blind enough to see that PTB because impossible to play after a day because the lobbies are dead because no one else wants to be morid 10 games out of 10.
KYF is there for a reason, go 4 man mori and flashlight your friendos. ez pz
You said it needs to be addressed, to lock out moris and flashlights and it would be utilized more. I disagree as it removes gameplay items and mechanics. In your arguement, you make it out to seem like we cant truly test the new characters because of people using other items deemed toxic or needless. But what about half of the perks, items, abilities. Should we lock out all killers other than the new one? No, bc the ptb has more than just new killer and survivor. It has patch changes too. Which may affect flashlights, moris, or any other number of things that we dont know. So it should be left in, at the very least in case a change bugged them out or made them not work.
I also dont believe they're "dead after a day". Nice exaggeration though. -
So you're really saying people dont run moris in normal games that often? I see moris AND flashlights all the time. 2/4 survivors carry them.SenzuDuck said:@Carpemortum said:
SenzuDuck said:This isn't about "ending toxicity" it's about making the matches on par with what you'd come to expect from the main game, instead of having almost every match being a mori/flashlight fest.
So, like, normal games? Which usually have flashlights and moris?
Yea dude, normal games like getting morid 10 out of 10 games, that actually doesn't happen, and like I said, they actually lose the items and moris in the main game but suffer no consequences in the PTB.
Maybe dont take PTB seriously to where moris bother you? You're not earning or losing a thing there. It's literally to test EVERYTHING with the new killer/survivor.
Ntm, if the PTB is so toxic, why not just, idk, not play in it and let the people who want to see the moris and flashlights do it? You're not forced to.
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Right, and I asked why? You didnt explain why you thought why other than the devs said so once.SenzuDuck said:@Carpemortum said:
Didnt ask for proof, or source, I asked why would they. They want to get rid of things that are instant, like the flashlight I agree with. But healing, when it depletes the medkit is a tradeoff. You didnt lose your flashlight when youd insta blind did you?Jesus christ, are you literally just trying to argue or what?
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Lol, no buddy, after playing both sides, and seen plenty of complaints about it, I still dont think it would work.SpongeBob420Pants said:@Carpemortum said:
SpongeBob420Pants said:@Carpemortum said:
SpongeBob420Pants said:
@Carpemortum said: SpongeBob420Pants said:
@Carpemortum said:
SpongeBob420Pants said:
* Remove the key item from the game and make the hatch spawn open as soon as 1 survivor is left regardless of generator completion.
* Make it so the last survivor automatically has the exposed status effect.
Make it so the area around the hatch maybe 10 meters (number can be played around with) is a "safe" zone, in which the last survivor while in the zone no longer suffers exposed and the killer can't grab the survivor out of the hatch.
This change would make hatch play much better and the killer would still have a 50/50 at getting the last survivor.
Until the survivor sits on hatch teabagging until you decide to walk away...
Ya, just like the exit gate.
Which isnt fixing a problem exactly....if they cant be grabbed or one downed near the hatch, they're gonna troll around until you commit, step in, get hit, run out heal, troll, or just dance. It's a better idea than just removing it, but I dont think it would work. If they cant be grabbed, make them stay exposed. Make them commit and just go for it. Dont give more safe spaces to an already problematic situation.
When there's 1 survivor left they can't do gens, that's why the hatch exists, if it didn't the game would take to long. I don't know why your complaining about trolling, survivors can do that at the exit gate anyway.
Cant do gens? No, that's bs. They refused to. That's the problem. If 3 gens are close at the end it's the survivors fault, true, but that doesnt mean they should say "eh I dont wanna try working on gens I'm last lemme just find the hatch".
You can, and I have, done generators as the last alive and escaped. I've also had survivors do it to me while I patrolled the hatch.
Having more than 1 gen to complete as the last survivor is a losing fight that requires stealth and drags the game on, the hatch exists so that the last survivor doesn't have to try and complete 4 gens by themselves.
Well, if 4 gens werent done, theyd have to complete at least 1 alone regardless.
Also, its not a completely lost fight. You have perks to assist in this, stealth as a gameplay option, and you're assuming that 1 gen is done with a 3k. Imo the killer is doing his job and the 4th got into that situation by not already doing work.
If a killer gets 3 dead, and the last person has 4 gens left to go, the killer already won. In a game where 2/2 is balanced, you cant EVER expect or deserve to escape. So when you're in this 1 survivor 4 gens to go situation, or even 1 gen to go....do what you can, and earn points. Try to evade the killer, and heighten your game.
The survivor should have to, or at least want to get work done. Otherwise it promotes the mindset of "well technically all I have to do is outlast those 3 and find the hatch" which in turn gets people doing less work, and when found in the described situation, cry about how theres no hope.
LOL, no buddy. people already play bad and expect their team to do 2 gens and die so that they can get hatch.
I've complained about it myself in these forums. The change to the hatch I suggested is simply to improve the hatch fight and make it a race instead of a standoff.
Simple solution would be to remove it and not let anyone be entitled to a 4k/escape but god forbid people actually do gens instead of hiding and trolling for the better part of 15 mins.
Promote better gameplay, dont handicap things. If neither person wants to give in to a "hatch standoff" then let them waste their time.
Also, I didnt even mention the hatch spawning regardless of gens. If it spawns with 0/1 done you dont think more people will be trying to get their team killed first?
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Didnt ask for proof, or source, I asked why would they. They want to get rid of things that are instant, like the flashlight I agree with. But healing, when it depletes the medkit is a tradeoff. You didnt lose your flashlight when youd insta blind did you?SenzuDuck said:@Carpemortum said:
Why would they nerf instant heals when they just nerfed healing time? It is a one time use that depletes the entire medkit...?
because the devs literally said they wanted to do away with things that are "instant".
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So, like, normal games? Which usually have flashlights and moris?SenzuDuck said:This isn't about "ending toxicity" it's about making the matches on par with what you'd come to expect from the main game, instead of having almost every match being a mori/flashlight fest.
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Why would they nerf instant heals when they just nerfed healing time? It is a one time use that depletes the entire medkit...?SenzuDuck said:@Mc_Harty said:
@SenzuDuck said:
because even on the PTBs people run killers that aren't the new one and run their most OP builds just to piss people off, leave moris in KYF so people can see it but nuke them for public matches.Same goes for flashlights, they're ran to annoy people, the PTB usually ends and within a week/two weeks the dlc comes out, you aren't going to get much practice blinding the new killer in the PTB.
It just adds unnecessary annoyances when we're supposed to be testing for bugs / imbalances.
Don't forget insta-heals. Its always enjoyable running into players that spam that #########.
Seriously I just wished they locked that sort of stuff out for public testing.
Honestly wouldn't be surprised is instas are nerfed in this patch tbh.
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Not all killers have the same height or camera/blinding locations. Some like huntress can even hit at range while blinded if you're good.SenzuDuck said:@Carpemortum said:
Imbalances include all gameplay mechanics right? Who's to say the new killer perks arent based on flashlights OR Moris?They're gameplay items, and if it's a balance test, all should be able to be tested. Firecrackers? No, they're not actually in the real game anymore.
Flashlights & Moris are the exact same in every match they have absolutely nothing that alters them, if you want to mori people you could run Devour Hope or whatever in the PTB.
and OBVIOUSLY if moris or flashlights are affected by their perks then don't lock them out, it's not rocket science. They're just unnecessary things that people run so they can be as annoying and harsh as possible in the PTB, which is why PTBs are usually dead within a day because no one likes being morid every match and nobody likes being flashlighted every match.
To say they should be removed because it's only going to foster BM matches, why not remove them from the entire game....or remove everything from ptb except the new killer and survivor perks? Because people will be toxic if they want to. Flashlights, moris, noed, DS, or whatever the killer/survivor complaint is about being op/toxic.
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Well, if 4 gens werent done, theyd have to complete at least 1 alone regardless.SpongeBob420Pants said:@Carpemortum said:
SpongeBob420Pants said:@Carpemortum said:
SpongeBob420Pants said:
@Carpemortum said:
SpongeBob420Pants said:
* Remove the key item from the game and make the hatch spawn open as soon as 1 survivor is left regardless of generator completion.
Make it so the last survivor automatically has the exposed status effect.
Make it so the area around the hatch maybe 10 meters (number can be played around with) is a "safe" zone, in which the last survivor while in the zone no longer suffers exposed and the killer can't grab the survivor out of the hatch.
This change would make hatch play much better and the killer would still have a 50/50 at getting the last survivor.
Until the survivor sits on hatch teabagging until you decide to walk away...
Ya, just like the exit gate.
Which isnt fixing a problem exactly....if they cant be grabbed or one downed near the hatch, they're gonna troll around until you commit, step in, get hit, run out heal, troll, or just dance. It's a better idea than just removing it, but I dont think it would work. If they cant be grabbed, make them stay exposed. Make them commit and just go for it. Dont give more safe spaces to an already problematic situation.
When there's 1 survivor left they can't do gens, that's why the hatch exists, if it didn't the game would take to long. I don't know why your complaining about trolling, survivors can do that at the exit gate anyway.
Cant do gens? No, that's bs. They refused to. That's the problem. If 3 gens are close at the end it's the survivors fault, true, but that doesnt mean they should say "eh I dont wanna try working on gens I'm last lemme just find the hatch".
You can, and I have, done generators as the last alive and escaped. I've also had survivors do it to me while I patrolled the hatch.
Having more than 1 gen to complete as the last survivor is a losing fight that requires stealth and drags the game on, the hatch exists so that the last survivor doesn't have to try and complete 4 gens by themselves.
Also, its not a completely lost fight. You have perks to assist in this, stealth as a gameplay option, and you're assuming that 1 gen is done with a 3k. Imo the killer is doing his job and the 4th got into that situation by not already doing work.
If a killer gets 3 dead, and the last person has 4 gens left to go, the killer already won. In a game where 2/2 is balanced, you cant EVER expect or deserve to escape. So when you're in this 1 survivor 4 gens to go situation, or even 1 gen to go....do what you can, and earn points. Try to evade the killer, and heighten your game.
The survivor should have to, or at least want to get work done. Otherwise it promotes the mindset of "well technically all I have to do is outlast those 3 and find the hatch" which in turn gets people doing less work, and when found in the described situation, cry about how theres no hope. -
Imbalances include all gameplay mechanics right? Who's to say the new killer perks arent based on flashlights OR Moris?SenzuDuck said:@Thatbrownmonster said:
@SenzuDuck said:
This needs to be addressed.
Lock out moris/flashlights and remove rank and i think PTB would be utilised more.why lock out those?
people want to try the new mori on the new killer and want to practise blinding the new killerbecause even on the PTBs people run killers that aren't the new one and run their most OP builds just to piss people off, leave moris in KYF so people can see it but nuke them for public matches.
Same goes for flashlights, they're ran to annoy people, the PTB usually ends and within a week/two weeks the dlc comes out, you aren't going to get much practice blinding the new killer in the PTB.
It just adds unnecessary annoyances when we're supposed to be testing for bugs / imbalances.
They're gameplay items, and if it's a balance test, all should be able to be tested. Firecrackers? No, they're not actually in the real game anymore. -
Cant do gens? No, that's bs. They refused to. That's the problem. If 3 gens are close at the end it's the survivors fault, true, but that doesnt mean they should say "eh I dont wanna try working on gens I'm last lemme just find the hatch".SpongeBob420Pants said:@Carpemortum said:
SpongeBob420Pants said:@Carpemortum said:
SpongeBob420Pants said:
Remove the key item from the game and make the hatch spawn open as soon as 1 survivor is left regardless of generator completion.
Make it so the last survivor automatically has the exposed status effect.
Make it so the area around the hatch maybe 10 meters (number can be played around with) is a "safe" zone, in which the last survivor while in the zone no longer suffers exposed and the killer can't grab the survivor out of the hatch.
This change would make hatch play much better and the killer would still have a 50/50 at getting the last survivor.
Until the survivor sits on hatch teabagging until you decide to walk away...
Ya, just like the exit gate.
Which isnt fixing a problem exactly....if they cant be grabbed or one downed near the hatch, they're gonna troll around until you commit, step in, get hit, run out heal, troll, or just dance. It's a better idea than just removing it, but I dont think it would work. If they cant be grabbed, make them stay exposed. Make them commit and just go for it. Dont give more safe spaces to an already problematic situation.
When there's 1 survivor left they can't do gens, that's why the hatch exists, if it didn't the game would take to long. I don't know why your complaining about trolling, survivors can do that at the exit gate anyway.
You can, and I have, done generators as the last alive and escaped. I've also had survivors do it to me while I patrolled the hatch. -
Which isnt fixing a problem exactly....if they cant be grabbed or one downed near the hatch, they're gonna troll around until you commit, step in, get hit, run out heal, troll, or just dance. It's a better idea than just removing it, but I dont think it would work. If they cant be grabbed, make them stay exposed. Make them commit and just go for it. Dont give more safe spaces to an already problematic situation.SpongeBob420Pants said:@Carpemortum said:
SpongeBob420Pants said:
* Remove the key item from the game and make the hatch spawn open as soon as 1 survivor is left regardless of generator completion.
* Make it so the last survivor automatically has the exposed status effect.
* Make it so the area around the hatch maybe 10 meters (number can be played around with) is a "safe" zone, in which the last survivor while in the zone no longer suffers exposed and the killer can't grab the survivor out of the hatch.
This change would make hatch play much better and the killer would still have a 50/50 at getting the last survivor.Until the survivor sits on hatch teabagging until you decide to walk away...
Ya, just like the exit gate.